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    Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 254 Registered: 04-2011 |
“Do you realize now what you have done?” Let us try to see the arguments of VP. When one sees what the “introduction of democracy” did to Libya and Iraq one must fear the same unrest in Syria. Not very good prospects – esp. if one has strategic interests in this country. Much is said re. protecting democratic movements during “Arabian Spring”. But one cannot but wonder why Saudi Arabia ,the Emirates and Qatar’s and others – why their “Spring Time” is deemed to be very different from Libyan and Syrian “spring”: Who e.g. argues for the life of young Ali Mohammed al-Nimr. Is it not humiliating to see how little protection he receives from those that “defend” democratic freedom. http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2015/09/21/why-do-we-tolerate-the-sins-of-the-saudis/ One of the reasons why leaders of some countries do not speak: http://www.torontosun.com/2015/09/29/saudi-arabia-is-not-our-friend As for who finances ISIS: A US “think tank” argues http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/saudi-funding-of-isis Deutsche Welle, a public German international broadcaster, issued this report in Jul 2014 http://www.dw.com/en/who-finances-isis/a-17720149 Does the West really defend human dignity? Some “world leaders” do not mind ISIS cruelties – as long as ISIS kill their enemies as well. Turkey, a NATO country, not letting Kurds pass their border, comes to mind. (The Kurds being the only ones fighting against ISIS in Kobane - with ill-equipped ground troops) Why is protection acceptable for some but not for others? **) These may be the arguments of our “adversary” who in reality is nothing more but the echo of our own mind. Thesis and antithesis are followed by synthesis. So we should see all developments not with a view of conflict and isolation but of development towards a greater unity. - Firstly - all humans – we, they, the ISIS included - ultimately become what they think of most. Everyone of us will always be a miniature of our highest ideal – be it money, power, fame, or a punishing god. This is to say we should read the above without any hate. Every human makes mistakes. Gene manipulated humans are more prone to do so. Secondly, and more importantly, there is a picture behind the picture: It is time that a true world consciousness awakens in those that lead us. A consciousness of dominating over others (via money, power) - it is so outdated, it lost its appeal. We watch the waves of population crossing borders, the reports of worldwide climate change, we read about new discoveries. Like an international team of scientists on a university - they solve not national issues but work on a global solution. In the same way the “internet human of today” lives with a deep knowledge that “national” emotions are old, are past and gone. He “knows” more, is “globally connected”, observes his own and other nation’s leaders as they struggle to understand this massive change of human thought brought on by the change of thinking. Behind the scenarios of world exaggerations in economics and world politics a new human awareness is growing. Supported by fast access to information which quickly unveils political, economical and political deception, profanities and excesses. Our world has outgrown the suppression by secret services. These agencies can no longer stop the growth of a silent majority of non-national, global citizens. It may take time but more and more these citizens will grow into leaders who are conscious that it is not their first priority to be religious. national etc., but to be human, living with a sense of global unity. “We experience ourselves our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us.” Albert Einstein Our media educates globally aware citizens – there is no way back. Our world leaders*) should understand these changes, the quicker they can change archaic principles**) underlying educational and political systems and teach truth and global unity. The quicker, the better. It all depends on the thoughts we think. We have to change them to change the world. Salome, Bill *) Sample: Pope Francis may not be able to follow Spirit Teachings, his vow binds him to belief rather than truth. But by discussing human issues without mentioning religion too much, he stands out as a leader that easily finds worldwide attention. **) “Quod licet jovis, non licet bovis” … ( see http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/13342.html - post 112, October 8, 2014 mid page) | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 255 Registered: 04-2011 |
What should be done in Syria? For the Arab countries the Syrian conflict is more a religious struggle, a revival of the age old fight between the two rival factions, Sunni and Shiites, for religious dominance (re. “who really is the rightful successor of the prophet Mohammed”). Russia and the US are the two strongest powers on our planet. Western countries deliver directly or indirectly (via SA or Qatar) weapons and train troops of Sunni factions. Now Russia responds by allying with Iran/Hezbollah to assist the Shiites. “Accidents” may happen. Many Syrians and many humans on our planet do not like the escalation. What should be done? (1) A political solution by Syrians should be the ultimate goal of a united world: a) No more greedy arms deals – stop all weapons’ deliveries. b) No more “covert” training of forces to combat “strategic enemies’. c) Assad and rebels should be told to stop fighting. d) ISIS and al Qaida forces should be the only targets of a multilateral force with ground troops. e)After winning over ISIS and al Qaida forces – a political, democratic solution between Assad, the Kurds and the rebels should be discussed and voted on by all Syrians citizens. (2) The continued fighting will create more Syrian refugees. They create a heavy economical burden - mainly for Europe. Again it should be the whole world responding “equilaterally” to the dilemma of Syrians fleeing their country. Either by taking a quota of refugees or offering a corresponding financial contribution from member countries. Once the fighting ends and a political solution is agreed to the Syrians should be allowed to return to their country. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1485 Registered: 07-2005 |
Bill you asked What should be done in Syria? Leave it alone That's what Let these people whatever the tribe that they come from sort their own brotherly affair on their own. Keep your dirty hands off to all who wish to stick their nose into where it doesn't belong by meddling in the affairs of another country. Syria isn't the main problem it's just the symptom. So the more appropriate question to ask is 'what should be done about these scums who meddle in the domestic and internal affairs of another country or group of people'? | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 256 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi NewI, It is too late for that now. Now we need to restore order, not let confusion / double standards etc. take their toll: The ISIS needs worldwide attention as do the Syrian refugees. What do the events we witness tell us? If we see them as stepping stones on humanity’s path to become global citizens, we can create a positive value: My post 254 described Western action (thesis) and Russian reaction (antithesis), my previous mail tried to find a synthesis. It is my view that our world community has outgrown, quickly “sees through”, double standards and selfish interests. Maybe our world leaders should be sworn in to respect human dignity as their highest priority. Maybe our education should prioritize human values rather than national values. Isolating and combating a common evil – “together we stand” - this thinking is needed to master the many challenges ahead on our planet. Not double standards, not excesses / over-evaluation of “self” but teamwork should assist the evolution of our world consciousness. This, indeed, was the reason for my post. Salome, Bill | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 447 Registered: 12-2011 |
Bill To cut it short there are 2 main elements in play. Money and religion.Whilst they exists there will be no peace.No matter how hard we try . World war will come and as I said and our friends have also stated nature which is creation will cleanse it all to the way it made everything. joe | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 403 Registered: 03-2004 |
Michael / Cpl, A very late reply... Regarding "No one is holding a gun to Obama's head and forcing him to make the decisions he's making." How do you know?" Well, it certainly wouldn't seem like the logical conclusion based on everything the Plejaren and Billy have said about him from the beginning. Why all the hope if he was under duress? And why no mention of physical threats against him? It would seem like they would want to put such information "on the public record" as it would be incredibly profound information. And remember, we're talking about people capable of time travel and can therefore look into the future. So they would certainly know all the details surrounding Obama's role in the potentiality of WW 3-4. Regardless, Obama's actions seem quite stupid at this point. Allowing ISIS or the other so-called rebels, which I understand may be in part or whole remnants of Al-Qaeda, to remove Assad makes no sense with the current chaos sending hundreds of thousands into Europe. Why not join with Russia and eliminate ISIS in Syria? This could be the beginning of a truly multi-national force. But it seems like Obama's ego is in the way. Based on body language and actions, he's clearly a narcissist, and may have deeper problems. I have considerable doubts about his emotional health. He and his wife especially appear to hate whites, which most likely is a backlash from their self-hatred. He just doesn't seem involved or stable to me. "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 961 Registered: 12-2009 |
Hunter, I agree completely, Obama should join Russia in eliminating ISIS from Syria. "This could be the beginning of a truly multi-national force". You expressed my sentiments exactly. Mentalblock: Bewusstsein, Gedanken, Gefühle, Psyche Bewusstseinblock: Charakter, Persönlichkeit, Unterbewusstsein, Ego, Gedächtnis "Lehrschrift" page 124 Ratio: Verstand, Vernunft, Klugheit, Moral "The Psyche" page 216 | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1488 Registered: 07-2005 |
Bill you are well intended And I enjoy reading your take and insight into these issues and others as you have much to contribute. From my perspective and conclusion reached the genesis of the Syrian crisis and the fertile grounds for ISIS to come about was because of the western anglo imperial powers meddling in the domestic affairs of the Middle East not to mention other regions and practically the whole world. In regards to ISIS its a different story and I agree with you that something has to be done right now. In respect to the Frankenstein created by the west and EU directly or by proxy the only reason why ISIS is thriving is the continued support they receive via the west's lapdogs like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel and of course EU/UK/US. ISIS are comprised of people, men, women, children, the elderly, former soldiers etc who needs to be fed, clothed, sheltered, armed, trained, transported, educated/indoctrinated and so on so where does the funding come from to make this possible not to mention all the sophisticated weaponry they are using to basically mow down the whole region in a murderous frenzy. So my point being we mustn't just look at the middle east as the point of crisis and problem but start from the actual origin of the problem in the good ole Capitol Hill, EU parliament, British Parliament, Bilderberg conference, CFR group, CSIS group, World Zionist Congress/Organisation, Royal Institute of International Affairs, Vatican etc Obviously these organisations are comprised of collection of individual human beings so that's where the target should be aimed at metaphorically speaking if we are to solve our current crisis. We just need to make it happen and stop each one of these criminals from doing what they individually do that is sustaining this chaos Matt lee | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 404 Registered: 03-2004 |
Corey, Looks like Russia may take care of that all by themselves: Preview Of World War III? Russia Is Putting On A Display Of Firepower That Is Shocking The World http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/preview-of-world-war-iii-russia-is-putting-on-a-display-of-firepower-that-is-shocking-the-world_10052015 "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 405 Registered: 03-2004 |
Newinitiation, You bring up the point of who is funding ISIS. I can't find the link now, but I heard that Mossad could be involved in some way. Has ISIS threatened Israel? I don't know of it if so. They seem to attack other Muslims primarily, and whatever Christians they come across. It's all very strange. "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 448 Registered: 12-2011 |
Hunter Billy and the boys know, but they cannot say. There is more than meets the eye. joe | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1492 Registered: 07-2005 |
Yeah blimy I agree Hunter. What the heck is a blood thirsty caliph desiring after a caliphate not attacking first and foremost it's supposed sworn enemy since ancient times. I mean you woulda thought that Israel would've been their first and number one target right from the get go. What the heck! But like all deals made behind the green door 'what's that secret your keeping' is just oozing outta the keyhole. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 785 Registered: 08-2004 |
If Carly Fiorina becomes president we can pretty much deduce WW III/IV will begin between the US and Russia. She suggests the U.S. shoot down Russian planes in any Syrian gno-flyh zone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=58&v=nXUSBwYqcS8 Chris Use to the full both your heart and your head; and never lose either. | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 167 Registered: 01-2011 |
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/15/opinion/on-my-mind-syria-drugs-and-the-us.html Welcome to the world of the pharmaceutical and drug trade that are so prominent in this picture. Just like in Thailand, Laos and Vietnam with the Golden Triangle during the so called police action war. All to the benefit of the cartels and pharmaceutical barons and local war lords as such. Least we forget folks there is money to be made in this so called war along with petroleum and land access control. Equals ...Mucho Dinero!... And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time. ~ T. S. Eliot | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 449 Registered: 12-2011 |
Thank God for the Russians ..not only attacking Isis but also the other terrorists in Syria, Assad is the elected president of Syria and asked Russia for help to rid terrorists in his country. He didn't ask the us or Australia or France or Britain who are giving arms to all terrorists. All religions lived in peace with each other in Syria until the US gave weapons to opposition. Who started this war don't believe all the bullshit you hear about Assad. US wants to install their pigeon leader in Syria for the oil,but will only make matters worse. Look at Afghanistan ,Libya ,Iraq after the yanks meddled ,10 times worse than before they stuck their beak in. If Assad falls then terrorists will launch attacks over the border in Russia ..if you were Putin you would do the same ....Russia is stopping the next world war by helping to rid Syria of all terrorists Isis and the ones armed by the US . joe | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1610 Registered: 02-2000 |
Cpl, You can add Rubio to that too. Marco Rubio Would Risk War With Russia In Order To Enforce Safe Zone In Syria http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/marco-rubio-russia-no-fly-zone_5612e38ae4b0368a1a60ad06 | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1611 Registered: 02-2000 |
Trump: Russian airstrikes in Syria a 'positive thing' http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/256018-trump-russian-airstrikes-in-syria-a-positive-thing | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 406 Registered: 03-2004 |
Cpl, Carly Fiorina is out of her damned mind. I also heard her say she would stop talking to Putin and start arming Ukraine. Say what you will about Reagan, but he at least talked to the Soviets. And he also pulled out of Lebanon. And he denounced the neocon "crazies in the basement" of which Carly Fiorian would consider herself a proud member. Votan, It looks like the Russians are the only ones acting somewhat sensible here. Here's another article on Putin calling out Obama: Watch Putin Hammer Obama: “Not Grounded In The Real World… Absolutely Unprofessional Politics” http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/watch-putin-hammer-obama-not-grounded-in-the-real-world-absolutely-unprofessional-politics_10062015 "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 258 Registered: 04-2011 |
Re. "... Perhaps one day historians will look back at 2014 and 2015 and pinpoint these years as the beginning of the next great global conflict..." It would explain the time travelling Earth humans. | ||
Baselineplayer Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 09-2007 |
Many thanks, Tat_tvam_asi, you seem to be the most reasonable and wise one. Your posts are very insightful and a pleasure to read. Many thanks. You bring forward the insights and thoughts I like. For all they who cheer Putin and Assad: Please read the history about another war criminal who was the consequence of bad politics after the world war 1914-1918. All dictators are crooks and have to be removed. The mankind does not deserve to suffer under crooks. In a future world, there is no place for indecent crooks clinging to power, even though they got their way by the ballot. Assad was not a genuinely elected president. Putin may have got a true majority. I suggest all these westerners who are cheering Putin, Assad and other dictators from extreme right and extreme left, to move to these countries there their favorite "leaders" are ruling. Please, just move there to your "brave new world" of autocratic governments there oppression, torture and death penalties are commonplace. I have to cite a certain Yosif Dzhugashvili, aka Stalin: "There is no matter who is casting the vote, it matters who is counting the votes". That is how a "managed democracy" is performed. Look at they who "counts" the votes. Med Bästa Hälsningar / Mit Besten Grüssen / With Best Regards /Baselineplayer | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 259 Registered: 04-2011 |
Thank you for your kindness, Baselineplayer Human reality is the echo of human thoughts. Salome, Bill "We are made wise not by a recollection of our past but by the responsibility for our future." George Bernard Shaw "When written in Chinese, the word 'crisis' is composed of two characters. One represents danger and the other represents opportunity." John F. Kennedy | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1612 Registered: 02-2000 |
CrossTalk: Blaming Russia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLLBxDs-aAg | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1504 Registered: 07-2005 |
The so called the father of public relations Edward Bernays should be extinguished forever from the annals of history as his criminal methods of psychological manipulation of the masses is still used effectively today. The blaming game is starting to become as ridiculous as the R&B pop group Milli Vanilli's lip sinking efforts 'Blame it on the rain' |
