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Scott
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Post Number: 3194
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 27, 2020 - 02:34 pm: | 
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 3197
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Friday, October 30, 2020 - 06:14 pm: |
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In Christians new book “The Billy Meier Case True or a Hoax” It is mentioned on page 111 that Semjase used “real projection” to allow Billy to photograph the Fuchsbüel pictures from another location from where Billy was actually standing. This was done to avoid spying eyes that were following Billy around. Could this ‘real projection” come into play with regards to the explanation of the Hinwil flight demonstration? Could Semjase have employed this type of ‘technic’ to allow Billy the opportunity to make his film, which in reality originated from another place and time? |
Scott
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Post Number: 3198
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2020 - 09:23 am: |
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Per Christian: "Billy told me yesterday on the phone that (according to Ptaah) all of the encounters of Semjase's beamship with a tree were happening by using a real-projection." |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1228
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2020 - 11:28 am: |
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Thanks for the information Scott.
Wow, if these Contact Report’s were not already amazing enough.
"... (according to Ptaah) all of the encounters of Semjase's beamship with a tree were happening by using a real-projection."
Talk about hiding knowledge and advanced technology in plain sight. This revaluation will more than likely start another firestorm of skeptic’s debate.
Salome
Kenneth |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 3199
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2020 - 12:23 pm: |
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Your Welcome Kenneth,
Now, it would be interesting to know what "real projection" actually is. Was this visible to others, was this something only Billy experienced? Was this created by Semjase's consciousness/spiritual force, or a type of technology which was activated from her beamship when the photos were taken?..... |
Joe
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Post Number: 568
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2020 - 12:29 pm: |
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So why wasn't this mentioned before? |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1285
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2020 - 02:36 pm: |
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Hm, was Ptaah/Billy using the word "projection" as a reference to the discussion wherein the word "projection" is being used?
The word "real" would cancel out "projection", wouldn't it?
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Scott
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Post Number: 3200
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2020 - 03:53 pm: |
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Eddie,
The term was used in Christians latest book....
Here is a short quote, Page 111: (While she was circling her ship around the tree at the bottom of the slope, she "performed/produced" a "real projection" ("Real-Projektion") of the scene right in front of where BEAM stood, unknown and undetected by him since then) So it would seem the projection surely appeared real to Billy.... |
Kenneth
Member
Post Number: 1228
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2020 - 03:51 pm: |
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Scott,
This “projection” process reminds me of when Billy was in Jerusalem…
Kenneth |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1286
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2020 - 03:56 pm: |
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Thanks Scott,
What a great mystery!
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1228
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2020 - 06:18 pm: |
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By the way, for those that want to look it up, the hologram projection is called the, "Hologram cross, Miracle at Fátima illusion".
How many actually saw this and turned it into a religious issue?
Kenneth |
Joe
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Post Number: 569
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2020 - 10:12 pm: |
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I don't quite understand why this 'real-projection' of trees while filming wasn't mentioned before. One would think that Billy would have mentioned this a long time ago. I'm assuming there is a reason for not mentioning it. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 3201
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2020 - 08:28 am: |
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Is this the same thing Semjase was talking with Billy about in Contact 38:
Semjase:
143. You're just untiring, but I want to meet your wishes:
144. A real vision describes a certain form of a guided vision.
145. It is a form of vision that is dominated by many intelligences, including the Gizeh intelligences.
146. By these arbitrarily provocable and steerable visions different extraterrestrials – and also we – influence life-forms, in order to obtain them on this way certain impressions, which are instructive to them and which they are to make accessible by spreading also others, in order to affect also the environment purposefully.
147. These steerable visions are so massively realistic that the influenced way of life becomes convinced that it has experienced the vision as reality.
148. That's exactly why we call it Realvision, because it seems so real.
149. Every experience experienced through this real vision lasts as long as it would take in reality.
150. Such real visions do not only last seconds or minutes, but they last as long as the real experiences would take time. |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 91
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2020 - 09:45 am: |
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RealVision is different from Real-Projektion. Elsewhere in the material it is explained that Real Vision is achieved through hypnosis and occurs more like an hallucination of the mind. Real Projection seems to be more like an ultra-realistic hologram.
That is my understanding anyway. You can find multiple references for RealVision in the material. But Real projection is a new term that I have not seen before.
From page 111 of Christian's book, "The Billy Meier Case: True or a Hoax?"
"On that day in February, Semjase had spotted Hans Jacob in the vicinity with his spyglass, his photo camera and film camera, spying on BEAM. Therefore she had ordered BEAM to wait further up the slope, on the road that led along the border of the forest. While she was circling her ship around the tree at the bottom of the slope, she "performed/produced" a "real-projection" ("Real-Projektion") of the scene right in front of where BEAM stood, unknown to and undetected by him since then. Jacob had parked his car on an upper road and was slowly sneaking closer and looking through his spyglass. When Semjase spotted him among the trees, about 20 metres away from BEAM, and stepping out from the forest, where he wanted to take a photo, she urged BEAM to immediately stop taking further photos and leave, which he did."
So, Billy himself didn't know that it was a Real Projection and explains why we have not heard of it before.
From page 112: "When they repeated the photo session at Fuchsbtiel-Hoflialden in July, in order to finally perform, photograph and prove the complete flight around the tree, Semjase repeated the "real projection" and again did not inform BEAM about her technically-based "performance". When finished with the taking of photos, Semjase eliminated the tree."
But let us now have a look at the map (actual version), in order to explain and clarify the various positions:
Regards
Bob |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1287
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2020 - 10:12 am: |
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Question: Semjase "moved" the tree?
She did not destroy it, as I can remember. If the tree was not destroyed and merely moved; Where was the tree moved to?
Clearly, the tree, being the same tree, should be the same in appearance.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2445
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, November 02, 2020 - 10:24 pm: |
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I think the lesson from this latest revelation from Christian's book goes beyond real projection.
If someone were to ask why and what was the need for such display of technological powers when simply doing the demonstration the old fashion way by cloaking the beamship from view of other human beings would've done the job to evade prying eyes suggests that any would be investigator dumb enough to impose their heinously idiotic and primitive earthly standards onto this case will only prove that they are that stupid enough to impose such primitive earthly standards onto a case that involves unfathomably highly developed human being not from earth who are thousands of years ahead technologically and millions of years ahead spiritually.
To try to attempt to understand human being from other planets by projecting our primitive standards will only return ridiculous results therefore the key to understanding them is firstly to understand the Creational spiritual teaching which is the holy grail key to unlocking all the mysteries as to the whats, hows, whys, whens and whos of this case.
How many so called skeptical UFOlogical experts do you know out there who have managed to crack this Plejaren and Billy Meier contact case who didn't deal with and delve into the spiritual teaching first?
Of course none des ne
Zilch!
And people wonder why they are still stuck purposefully ignoring this case and giving it the silent treatment.
The Creational spiritual teaching pricks and pokes the conscience of those who dare to read and comprehend it coming from the skeptical angle.
It gnaws at them and prys open their sense of guilt and shame.
It horrifies them by laying bare their weakness, shameless intrigues, utterly disgusting arrogance, stupidity, lies, calumny, unrighteousness, downright filthy badness, gratuitous profiteering, false accusations, slanderous mudslinging and their downright laziness.
How do you appease your conscience the most convenient way possible?
Well deny and ignore everything unfavourable to you and that which allays your sense of guilt.
Just block everything you don't want to see or hear and hopefully it'll go away.
Why did Christian author this book and wrote what he did?
Simple I think.
What needed to be said at the right time in the right dose at the right frequency and in the right amount had to be said real projection and all.
Another definition of a Real projection is when you are truthful to the extent that you project what is true onto the very thing that you are seeing.
Real projection may seem illusory at first but when you actually think about it it is the real thing.
Matt lee |
Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 740
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 03, 2020 - 05:36 am: |
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Matt,good post 2445. I agree, the book title says it all....
The Billy Meier Case: True or a Hoax? Assessing the facts and asking the Right and Logical Questions....Finally!!!
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 2446
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 03, 2020 - 09:26 pm: |
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Thanks Michelle
I hope the family members of the late Dr Deardorff don't mind me using his surname for a new eponym to describe a condition whereby a skeptic of Billy Meier specifically who is out to prove a fraud ends up proving the genuineness of it instead.
Deardorffism would be an apt term.
A skeptic having convinced himself that Meier has perpetuated a fraud for all these years who is out to prove a fraud by really investigating the material and find themselves confronted with the stark realisation after reading the spiritual teaching that this contact case was genuine is someone I would describe as having deardorffism.
May all these skeptics out there succumb to deardorffism.
Matt lee |
Lauste
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 06-2020
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 04, 2020 - 06:51 pm: |
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My friend's friend's mother's uncle's cousin twice removed succumbed to a peculiar case of deardorffism or shall I say deerdwarfism (pun definitely intended) aha
He got better
Do not go Gentle into that Good Night.
Rage, Rage Against the Dying of the Light.
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Savio
Senior Member
Post Number: 832
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, November 21, 2020 - 02:35 am: |
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Dear all, Christian's new book “The Billy Meier Case: True or a Hoax?” is now also available at Billy Books.
We accept PayPal and provide global shipping 
https://billybooks.org/book/english/the-billy-meier-case-true-or-a-hoax?
http://billybooks.org
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2455
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, November 23, 2020 - 06:11 am: |
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Thanks for the information Savio.
Matt lee |
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