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Jacob
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Post Number: 145
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 12, 2014 - 02:50 pm: | 
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Hi, Matt,
Your welcome, I am happy to be of service.
I will post more when appropriate.
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Yetan11
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 06-2015
| | Posted on Monday, June 29, 2015 - 07:12 am: |
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How many people in this world do really contemplate a lot about the laws and directives of Creation, Spiritual teachings and the Truth? I personally feel it is less than 1 percent.
1. 99 percent of the people probably do not have the chance to contact such teachings.
2. Even if we have the chance, we may not realize how importance it is to us and soon forget about them after a while.
3. The most important reason is that we’re too habitual with what we do, how we live and behave from our imparted belief, our philosophy of life and our social, economic and political orders. We are too habitual to change and to adopt new information and even if they’re spiritual truth about life and existence. Like ‘a frog in the well and when told the world outside is vast and great, we still feel comfortable to our small world in the well against the possibility to go beyond of it.’
It is really frightening to let go the world religions. We somehow want to be like the frog that stays in the well dictated by religions and gods.
It is really frightening to know we’re governed by law of Creation and causality. We somehow pretend they’re not there and not affecting us like the frog in the well, though it isn’t true.
It is really frightening to ‘buy’ the truth that we had gone through numerous lives and we shall be doing that naturally in numerous lives to come. We somehow want an eternal place with our lord like the frog clinging onto its ‘heavenly’ well.
Besides our habits as described above, we also tend more towards our selfish gain all the time than a universal gain for all. We always measure what we do against profit and currency since economics and finance were invented in our human system.
We know people are sensationalized towards the unknown – ghosts, devils, gods, UFOs, magicians, mysteries etc; so, we sell them to gain self popularity and money instead to work towards the gain for all by advocating the universal spiritual truth; which unfortunately, is not tied too much to self popularity and money.
Moreover, somehow due to the ‘material forces and impetus’ of our human system, we tend to behave and lean towards the ‘dark side’ more as our universal learning instead of moving towards the ‘light side’ of Creational laws and directives. We tend to kill our spiritual brothers because of our clinging of belief as the pure one and being different from them. We tend towards arousing hatred in our behavior as well because we perceived differences in our social circles with comparison to others. Finally, we also lean towards pornographies, gangs, drugs, drug cartels, rapes, sugar daddies, pedophiles, street prostitutes etc and the creation of all social scars to ourselves and others because we want to identify with our inner satisfaction, pleasure and to harm as our rights or to take up whatever currencies that was offered to us without second thought in order to get rich.
On the lighter note and on normal family makeup too, all of us are so focused with our take home pay to feed ourselves and our families as the utmost priority. We’re only concerned with our babies, children and immediate families as our world of hope and identity. We do not want to associate with a bigger world of Creation and what more of its laws and directives. We only want to remain selfish and what is mine will be forever as the belief. We do not care about tomorrow and whether the world is going to end or not. What important to us is now with our ‘frog in the well’ world.
Whatever said of the truth in this world today and the ‘dark and selfish propensities’ of the 99% of people in it; luckily, there appeared a man called Mr Billy Meier and now he talks about the reality of existence. That may represent as a voice to be heard for the 1% of the people in the world who may be interested in Creation and its laws and directives. In future, it is hope that the 1% quantum can be snowballed into a bigger percentage and hopefully, the present pathetic behavior of human in the world can be salvaged and moving towards a more balanced world than presently is; which is, only working towards self interest and profiteering whatever the opportunity is given. |
Votan
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Post Number: 365
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Monday, June 29, 2015 - 02:31 pm: |
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Yetan11
Very eloquent but long. You are preaching to the wrong people.
Tell your message to the world.
joe
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 88
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Monday, June 29, 2015 - 05:20 pm: |
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Yetan11,
Yes, if you have a blog, copy and paste your writings there. Good stuff.
MsMichelle
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Stefan_z2
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Post Number: 71
Registered: 12-2014
| | Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2016 - 10:54 pm: |
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Hello Everyone,
I found that work by Robert Axelrod to be quite fascinating.
http://fordschool.umich.edu/news/2016/greater-attention-causality-science-technology-education-changed-way-we-talk
He was able to prove that causal reasoning was clearly on the rise during the last 2 centuries. That matches nicely with the transitioning period of the Golden Age/Age of Aquarius that will last till 2029, and as we know is characterized by turbulence, breakthrough discoveries, and a hard push towards shaking and in later centuries breaking everything manmade that is not natural – with religions and –isms on top of that list.
Salome,
Stefan |
Sith_jarjar
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 04-2016
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2016 - 10:44 pm: |
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Dear Figu,
And Corey this brings me to why I joined the forum this time. I think that I have put together the puzzle of the correct application of "positive" and "negative" vs "good" and "bad" according to the spiritual teaching. The purpose of the first post was to set the parameter for the terms good and bad. Now if my moniker has not gotten folks around here in spiral, this post will most certainly succeed.
The English speakers on this board, as well as most every other English speaker on this board use the words positive and negative to mean good and bad. However, we know that Billy talks about observing things as positive and negative AND a separate category being good and bad. And as Corey often likes to make examples of Billy talking about men being positive (+) and women being negative (-). So naturally Billy is talking about the law of polarity. But how does this jive with other Figu concepts like neutral-positive thinking? If women are negative (-) how can this be bad??? Wouldn't it make sense that we should not be treating negative to mean things that are bad if we are trying to align with the truth?
So lets talk about polarity. We know that atoms in their natural state are neutral, just like the noble gases that do not change polarity like other atoms. So we can see that in nature, when we look at elements, the stuff of the physical universe, the ideal state is neutral, thus we can see the recommendation in the spiritual teaching for humans too to be reaching for neutrality in their daily lives using this template from nature. But since things are not perfect atoms become ions of a positive or negative charges. So we can see that in nature stuff swings between being positively charged or negatively charged. I have been puzzled with the Figu term, "swinging-wave;" what is swinging? Then it hit me one day, the swinging in the term swinging-wave must mean polarity or swinging between polarity.
Billy has given mankind a clue that men are positive and women are negative. So you might ask, how can a person tell what other things are positive and what are negative? I think I have found the answer. The logic behind the truth that women are of a negative polarity from Billy Meier is that is can be seen in nature that a woman can only be impregnated once in a maternity 9 months; yet men can continue to impregnate woman after woman with no interruption. So this is the logic for polygamy from the spiritual teaching for it being natural for men to have more than one wife. So it can be said that woman can be stacked up (-) just like the negative side of a battery can be stacked up. And we know that more than one positive will short things out. I think you can imagine the problem with a wrong type of polygamy where one woman had several husbands. Once the woman is impregnated, the men short out.
Since we know that what is above is so below, or that the Creation is not individual parts it is one, we can look at another thing in nature, space. Imagine a portion of space free of any celestial bodies, space debris, gases, particles, etc. Logic dictates that you could continue to stack free space upon free space and you would not get a short. But then place a planet in this sector of space and things CHANGE. Now we have gone from nothing happening no matter how much free space we kept piling, to now a disruption in space creating gravity and other waves. So we might say that free space is negative and the planet is positive in this example. So it can be said that the characteristics of positive are change or a change toward evolution. The positive is limited, while the negative is unlimited. For example there is a limit to how many celestial bodies we can fit into a sector of space, yet empty space does not have that problem.
That is why I think it is neutral-positive-equalized to be in line with the spiritual teaching. Because just like the noble gases, humans are striving to be neutral, but they need discipline finding neutrality. This is done by orientating one's self with the polarity that is spurring change, the positive pole. So we are always pushing for evolution so we are pushing for change. This is one of the reasons the spiritual teaching recommends neutral-positive-equalized thinking and not just neutral thinking, for example.
Remember our template that women are negative? But let's mix it up to show how humans, like elements and atoms, swing between positive and negative and are NOT just one pole. Take for example that of a teacher relative to her students. We know we can not stack teacher upon teacher in the room with one student, this would short things out; yet one teacher can teach unlimited students without shorting out the circuit. So it is obvious, a teacher is a positive pole and the student negative. So here we have a woman being negative relative to a man, yet swing polarity to that of positive relative to her students, hence the swinging wave.
Let's look at another example, a tree. The negative aspect to the tree is that it is stationary. That does not change. But the trunk, the roots, the branches and the leaves all change or move or evolve so we can say that are positive relative to the tree's inability to uproot and grow elsewhere.
Now we move on to one of the foundations of the spiritual teaching: that life is about correcting mistakes to grow. We know that mistakes are NOT bad according to the spiritual teaching and in fact necessary for the evolution. But how do we fit them into the realm of polarity? To the average individual, using the term negative to mean bad, all mistakes are bad. And this would be wrong according to the teaching. But since we know that we have to fit mistakes into neutrality, how are we to tell? Take for example a person who is humming along life with no real problems, and never had a car accident, and then suddenly his life changes ad he finds himself surviving a car crash. Well the variable of change is the positive pole; so how can this car crash be positive in this example? Because if a person is living by logic and looking to see reality, this person will learn from his mistake and be a better driver. This person might become better at paying attention to the road. Driving a safe speed and distance, among other lessons. And this improvement changes the person toward evolution. Now if this same person does not learn from his mistakes and continues to get into car wrecks this positive mistake stacks up and it swings to a negative. So then after stagnation car wrecks become negative for this person. But the first one at least was positive! Remember, these numerous car wreck mistakes are now negative because the person is not changing or evolving from them.
I always wondered why the Plejaren called any planet with 3 or more orbiting bodies a "sun." Well if we see the sun as positive akin protons to the atom, with planets acting like electrons orbiting around a nucleus, any planet with orbiting bodies would be positive to any moons, satellites, orbiting around him. Yet a supermassive black hole at the center of a galaxy would be positive to this sun and all the stars, gases, comets, meteors, planets, etc. swirling around him negative in this example. Yet any one of the (-) stars in this galaxy swings back to positive relative to his solar system. So we can see example after example where swinging polarity exists in nature.
So in summery, it is possible to determine the polarity of something by determining its role relative to something else. Once a person spots where the change comes from, the part that can not be stacked upon itself with the same change otherwise this condition becomes the norm, has found the positive pole. And the limitless norm, or orbiting body to a nucleus becomes the negative when we observe it this way.
Best regards,
Anthony |
Corey
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Post Number: 1167
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2016 - 05:32 am: |
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Anthony: you may enjoy "The Way to Live" verse 403 to add to your collection of polarities, as Billy reveals the fine-fluidal is the (+) pole, and the coarse-substantial is the (-) pole.
Salome in wisdom
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 707
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2016 - 07:59 am: |
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Can it be safe to say that the consciousness block and the spiritform are like an atom?
In other words; the spiritform is the nucleus (Proton) the material consciousness is the negative electrons and the personality is somewhere in between?
If we could "see" what it looks like. Do the incarnating consciousness block and spiritform look more like an atom?
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Sith_jarjar
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 04-2016
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2016 - 06:41 pm: |
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Dear Eddie,
Man are you tracking this well! Yes I too see how we can compare the atom with consciousness, spirit AND lifetime. Yes I would agree the spirit form would be akin to protons; and we are stacking lifetime after lifetime, after lifetime.... in electrons in 'orbit' around it. In my opinion, the overall consciousness block and other forms of consciousness would play the role of the neutrons. The role of neutrons are to hold the atom together; plus there is the equalized effect of the same number of lifetimes worth of wisdom vs the number of lifetimes and new personality (consciousness) created. And so it seems that the overall consciousness block and spirit exist together in the fine material; and the spirit together with the new incarnate's growing consciousness again is on the side of life and the coarse material. So we have an adhesive quality to the consciousness holding everything together in both dimensions.
Best regards,
Anthony |
Sith_jarjar
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 04-2016
| | Posted on Sunday, April 24, 2016 - 07:38 pm: |
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Dear Figu,
In our exploration of polarity, we see the New Age community, and really most every other English speaker using positive to mean good, and feel good things and negative to mean bad, and terrible events and deeds. Most in the Figu community too are using positive at best loosely, and to mean stuff in line with the Creation or the teaching; and using the word negative to mean stuff that is bad, religious or untruthful. But the spiritual teaching student must realize that this is incorrect.
So one might ask oneself, so if the negative pole is not bad, and after all the other half of the Creation, do we need negative things in our lives if we are students of the spiritual teaching? And since we are striving for neutrality, or an equality of 'protons' to 'electrons,' where might we find AND appreciate the negative in our lives?
But first, let's take a look at the attributes of positive and negative:
POSITIVE
1. Change
2. Spurring Change
3. Moves the mundane into a new condition
4. New challenges
5. Shorts out if stacked upon another
6. Unfamiliar
7. The force of evolution
NEGATIVE
1. The stagnant
2. The same thing over and over again
3. Continuous routine
4. Easy
5. Can be stacked one upon another without causing a breakdown
6. The familiar and comfortable (nurturing)
7. What evolution rests (sits) in
Of course there are many more attributes, but this should suffice for this example. So again, if we are reaching for a healthy equalization in our lives, where might we find the negative things?
Take for example your commute to work or school. For many people it is the same routine over and over again. It is very familiar and we are not stressed with an unfamiliar challenge that forces us to deal with change. So it can be said in this case, the drive to work is negative.
People can't take constant change; people also need the familiar so that they can have the energy to deal with change and challenges. That is the equalization we are trying to reach, where we have time where we are challenged with change that we have to adapt to and overcome (+), as well as down time where we can cozy up to the familiar and be at home (-). Just like mom's place;)
If you have a challenging job, where constant change is part of the culture, that would be a positive thing. If you have a boring job, that would be negative. If you are homeless, and you find a new place to spend the night this is a positive thing. If you have lived at the same place for years that would be negative. If you where born into money and did not have to work for a living, that would be negative. If this same person lost everything and was forced to work a simple job to make ends meet, that would be positive.
Certainly, for the spiritual teaching student, it is easy to see a rich/powerful person as negative. But the REASON is not because the person is material minded, BUT because this person is stuck in a stagnation. In other words, our familiar dwelling, the comfortable place we live, is negative, not because it is decadent or makes one soft, but because it is a routine and gives us little change to deal with.
In summery, the reason we pursue the positive, if we are using the term correctly, is to subject ourselves to change and challenges so that we can overcome obstacles and grow. And subsequently, we need negative things in our lives so that we can rest in our progress.
Bombad regards,
Anthony |
Stefan_z2
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Post Number: 79
Registered: 12-2014
| | Posted on Monday, April 25, 2016 - 01:51 am: |
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Hi,
This here is a pretty interesting notice about J. Ismael’s new book. Have already ordered it.
https://web.sbs.arizona.edu/news/how-physics-makes-us-free
Am very curious what law of nature arguments she is stacking up for making the case about an absolute free will of every human being, no matter what religions or misguided philosophers might claim otherwise.
This is a quite fundamental point of the spiritual teaching. If things would be predetermined, the purpose of having a life would for example fall apart. And the Creation does never ever meddle in our decision making and resulting course of life. All what applies are the laws of creation and nature (call it physics, such as the researcher does, if you wish). With underlying love and cause and effect essential pieces.
When talking on quarks, she does obviously not know that our current nuclear science is still nowhere close to finding things out about finest of fine matter and their energy interactions. That at a level where it is relevant for the working of consciousness and spirit.
Salome,
Stefan |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 701
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, April 25, 2016 - 10:22 am: |
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Anthony I'm not so sure living in the same place would be a negative. My thoughts are with children as it instills stability. Moving around a lot as a child creates anxiety. Children should not have to worry about where they are moving to, the new school, making new friends. It actually more detrimental if they move when they are older than 12 because it's harder for them to form friendships. You talk about going home to your mom's place but what if she lived halfway across the world and its not easy for you to seek the comfort of her home. Would that not be a negative?
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1162
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, April 25, 2016 - 04:09 pm: |
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Certain routines are said to be positive too, like regular times for meditation, meals, etc. |
Votan
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Post Number: 509
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Monday, April 25, 2016 - 11:03 pm: |
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Stefan
Hang on I think that creation does deliver its might thru nature.
Cause and effect.Free will is there from birth ,conditioning is also there.
If we wish to be brainwashed then so be it.
joe
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Sith_jarjar
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 04-2016
| | Posted on Monday, April 25, 2016 - 08:28 pm: |
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Dear JSN,
My friend, I think you are missing the explanation of the application of the terms positive and negative as they relate to the spiritual teaching. Please, re-read my posts a few times.
You are right, children need a stable home. But you are still thinking outside the spiritual teaching in your use of the term "negative." Billy uses the scale of "good" and "bad" when discussing the impact of the truth vs untruth. So we would say that it is "good," or in line with the teaching, for a child to have a stable home. Children with irresponsible parents have a "bad" experience, not a "negative" one. These are two different concepts and it is incorrect, as a student of the spiritual teaching to use negative to mean bad, or unhealthy, or wrong, or against the Creation, etc.
When we use the word negative, if we are to find the truth, it is to mean polarity. For example, as Corey has pointed out in this thread, "...Billy reveals the fine-fluidal is the (+) pole, and the coarse-substantial is the (-) pole." So we would say that the material realm is negative compared to the spiritual realm. But that does not mean that it is bad, wrong, incorrect, religious, etc. When we use negative correctly we are identifying which pole it is. As discussed in this thread, a good example from Billy is that women are negative relative to men. So does this mean that there is something wrong with women because we said "negative?" NO, of course not. We are saying that woman are negative because they are stable, familiar, nurturing, consistent, etc. -- the attributes of the negative pole. I know that my explanations here may sound strange to folks accustomed for years in using the words positive and negative in an incorrect way. The whole reason I re-joined was to offer up my personal breakthrough in understanding, for whatever it is worth. Unless there are any more questions, I'm pretty much done posting on this forum. Good luck....
Cheers,
Anthony
Btw- What are you saying no to? The word no is negative relative to the word yes. Yes is positive because yes is about change or opening up to something new. The word no is negative because there is no change in condition, the situation remains the same. It would be nice to get at least your first name friend |
Mait
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 - 12:04 pm: |
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Anthony,
As much as i understand then "woman= negative" also is meant as a passive energy.
Mait |
Billwilson12
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Post Number: 224
Registered: 07-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 - 12:50 pm: |
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Sith_jarjar, Having to use words at all is an incredible burden with so many meanings given world wide. If I shout NO to a person about to be in danger, I made a positive change for that person and for myself, I have taken responsivity for another to my own positive growth. With some parents, I have found that the word yes is to easy and the end results were very bad. I like the summary you gave for the positive and the negative are not that simple to understand.
Peace
Billy Wilson
OM.K49 34. The human-restricted personality is itself only from time to time conscious. In between times lie great holes in the consciousness.
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Scott
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Post Number: 2610
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 - 03:44 pm: |
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Not sure if others have seen this link which Corey posted a few days ago relating to positive and negative poles : http://theyfly.com/excerpt-law-love-bond-love |
Billwilson12
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Scott, The concept of a positive male acquiring the multiple of negatives can be very puzzling. It has been assumed in the past the female womb was akin to a glass bottle, which has been proven to be a flawed concept, it is more like swiss cheese. Once a fetus has begone its way the female not only receives the child's DNA but it has been proven that she also absorbs that of the male, which would have to cause DNA conflict with a woman bearing children of different males.
Peace
Billy Wilson
OM.K49 34. The human-restricted personality is itself only from time to time conscious. In between times lie great holes in the consciousness.
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Sith_jarjar
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 04-2016
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 - 08:48 pm: |
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Dear Mait,
Yes I agree, passive in some cases! As we know from the spiritual teaching a human being's free will is the decisive factor; but folks are often puzzled with things like astrology for example and how it too can steer the human being. Star light, like everything else in the universe carries a charge relative to something else. Let's say the star light intersecting with you at the time is positive, well if you are (+) this might short you out, right? Well, I agree that the effect is passive in this case compared to the free will. But you might have a series of accidents making it a bad day and wonder why....
Imagine the applications for a human being knowing which polarities he/she is interacting with at the time; imagine being armed with the knowledge how to swing polarities to avoid shorts AND make connections. Just think how important it would be for diplomats, for example, to know their pole relative to who they are facing; and adjust themselves so that a connection is made, and it becomes one, like the atom. Or adjusting to be (-) to hook up with as many (-) people in harmony. Rather than letting people not hit it off, because they may be shorting themselves out by stacking positives. So for example an aggressive, loud, spontaneous, (+) person might want to adjust his or her personality more passive when meeting other diplomats with the same (+) personality. That way two positive don't short out. Quiet, agreeable, get along folks (-) can get along fine with a (+) person, in addition to as many (-) folks they want to stack as friends. So a diplomat with a (-) polarity would be best suited to get along with most people. See the value? So maybe not so passive in this case?
Best regards,
Anthony |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 703
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| | Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 - 07:58 am: |
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Hi Anthony, it's Sheila so obviously negative haha. Billy W summed up the essence of it, thank you Billy. I've used that handle since I first started blogging when I would come across people who had issues that could have been solved by just saying no. Basically if you see something wrong it's up to you to say hell no, I'm not going to take that. It was used to empower those that always say yes because they are afraid of what others would think of them if they didn't. It has nothing to do with Nancy Regan.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Mait
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Post Number: 19
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 - 09:25 am: |
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Anthony,
If you look at nature and all creatures, including humans then you can see the difference of males and females behaviors. Especially if one is looking for a life partner. How males sweating to last drop to get females attention while females are just waiting and selecting(passive).
I think we all are diplomats if to consider our everyday relationships, some are more experienced than others. I remember couple of situations regarding so called loud and agressive people, when they started to insult me verbally and loud, but after few seconds when they saw that i did not came along with their anger they just suddenly relaxed and we just solved the problem constructively. I think it is something to do with subconsciousness and vibrations which i emitted so these guys reflected them back. I think it is a same story with experienced diplomats/people who can "tune in" to right frequencies depends on the situation. I am not an expert on that field but these are things that i have noticed.
Mait |
Sith_jarjar
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 04-2016
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 - 06:16 pm: |
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Dear Sheila,
"It [no] was used to empower those that always say yes because they are afraid of what others would think of them..."
You said "always says yes" so the fact that the situation is stagnant with "yeses" means that the situation is negative. So in this case, saying "no" to break a pattern (creates change), is a positive. Remember people, positive=change and negative=stagnation. These are the clues you are looking for when trying to determine polarity.
Polarity swings between positive and negative depending upon what we are comparing. Remember my example of a female teacher. Even though women are negative compared to men; the polarity swings for a female teacher to positive because the students, of both genders, become the 'electrons' orbiting around one teacher. We know a teacher is always positive because for example you can NOT stack teacher after teacher after teacher at the same time in the same class room. But an unlimited number of students (-) can focus on only one teacher at a time. That is how we know that the students are negative, just like women, who can also stack themselves in the bed of one man. It is the same thing and shows how everything is connected into one.
Cheers,
Anthony |
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