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    Ramirez Member Post Number: 911 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Patm, With this quoted from your post 221: "With the first appearance of Nokodemion approximately 12 thousand-million years ago, the so-called ‘Old time’ began." Nododemion's spiritform being 12 billion years old sorta makes sense if the age of the universe is calculated in billions (43) with 9 zeros not trillions (43) with 12 zeros. If it's all calculated in billions then Nokodemion appeared at around the 30 billion mark that being around one fifth of the expansion cycle of 155.5 so it makes sense to have someone in touch with the higher forms to begin passing on guidelines for living, life and evolution according to the master plan at a relatively early stage in the universe's development cycle. If the age of the universe is calculated in trillions (43) then inserting someone at a fraction of the 43rd trillion point hardly makes sense as already so much time has passed without any definitive intermediary between humans and the higher order of things being present to spread .... the evolutionary plan and guidelines. With that (trillions) all manner of chaos and not according to the master plan goings on would have arisen due to the factor that spiritforms and hence humans arise from primitive beginings and only slowly progress without guidance along the way so their basic flaws and aspirations would remain dominant all over the place and spread for a long time so probably only relatively few individuals would manage to "see the light" maybe explaining why various races and civilizations ended up in such a mess in addition to spreading the mess. So that late along the path if calculated in trillions seems .... improbable if the Creation is as smart as everyone seems to give it credit for ..... unless Nokodemion is only one from a continuing succession of persons who have undertaken the same sort of mission before him and even if it's calculated in billions that might still be the case ..... there were prophet predecessors doing the same sort of work though their efforts have become lost in time. Cheers. | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 257 Registered: 11-2008 |
PatM, If I may ask, does this also mean that the "Henok - 400,000 years ago" is inaccurate in the www.ufofacts.me.uk website? I'm asking because what I find a bit confusing but also interesting at the same time is that in the ufofacts website, only 2 Henochs (1 Henok + 1 Henoch) are mentioned whereas in your post number 223 you mention of 3 Henochs. I would assume that your post of FIGU Bulletin 50 is the correct explanation. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 227 Registered: 07-2006 |
Joe, Based on a discussion with Billy on 30-Apr-2004, Hans-Georg Lanzedorfer wrote the article in FIGU Bulletin 50 (Clarification of the prophets Henok and Henoch). The only thing that I know of that was corrected in FIGU Bulletin 77 is the age of Nokodemion's spirit-form (which currently enlivens Billy's personality) to be 9,600,000,000 years old. From FIGU Bulletin 50 with the corrected age of the Nokodemion spirit-form from FIGU Bulletin 77 Nokodemion (multiple personalities with the same name) - 9.6 thousand-million - 8 thousand million years ago Henok (multiple personalities w/ the same name) 8 thousand-million - 389,000 years ago Henoch (Enoch) 3 personalities w/ the same name - Henoch I - 13500 years ago - Henoch II - 3-Feb-9308 v. - 1-Jan-8942 v. - Henoch III - 4-5000 years ago From Billy's book: Lehrschrift für die Lehre der Wahrheit, Lehre des Geistes, Lehre des Lebens (Treatise for the Teaching of the Truth, Teaching of the Spirit, Teaching of the Life) (2012) - page 22 1) Henoch (Enoch) = born 3 February 9308 v. Chr., died 1 January 8942 v. Chr. 2) Elia (Elijah) = born 5 February 891 v. Chr., died 4 June 780 v. Chr. Born as son of Josias of Gilad (Gilead) in Tisbitia, brought by a spaceship to Srinagar/Kashmir (today's name, India), died on 7 April 842 v. Chr. 3) Jesaja (Isaiah) = born 7 February 772 v. Chr., died 5. May 690 v. Chr. Born as son of the Amoz of Sidon. 4) Jeremia (Jeremiah) = born 9. February 662 v. Chr., died 3. September 580 v. Chr. Born as son of the high priest Hilkis (Hilkas) of Anathot. 5) Jmmanuel = born 3. February 2 v. Chr., died 9. May 111 n. Chr. Died in Srinagar/Kashmir (today's name, India). 6) Muhammad = born 19 February 571 n. Chr., died 8 June 632 n. Chr. Born as son of Abdullah of Mekka (today's name Saudi Arabia). 7) 'Billy' Eduard Albert Meier (BEAM) = born 3 February 1937 n. Chr., died… Born as son of the Julius Meier, of Niederflachs, 8180 Bülach, and of Berta Meier born Schwengeler, of 8492 Aegetswil/Wila/ZH. Born in the house Hintergasse, Niederflachs 1253, 8180 Bülach, canton Zurich, Switzerland. Hope this helps Salome PatM | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 228 Registered: 07-2006 |
Joe, This is a link to the most current update of the Nokodemion Lineage-Genealogy drawing I have compiled with the latest corrections (it may still need further fine-tuning and is only considered a work in progress to assist in clarification). It is best printed on legal-paper (8.5x14). https://www.creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Reference%20Material/Lineage-Genealogy-sec.pdf Hope it helps Salome PatM | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 465 Registered: 12-2009 |
That Nokodemion book available in the FIGU gift shop is STILL the uncorrected version. I sent FIGU an email asking if this book was the 2nd edition corrected version or the 1st edition uncorrected version because I noticed the one for sale in Patm's link had the exact same page numbers as the old one, and it turns out that is because it is the old one. Christian Frehner wrote me back and let me know it is still the uncorrected version. OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom. | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 259 Registered: 11-2008 |
Thank you PatM for the information and PDF that you have provided. But unfortunately there are still discrepancies in the age of the Plejaren. For example in the Lineage Genealogy PDF it says that Ptaah is 795 years old (2012) but in the second edition of the book And Still They Fly it states that Ptaah is 770 years old then Christian Frehner had said that Ptaah is 664 years old. I don't know what's with all the discrepancies. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/2200/1899.html?1356763358#POST62712 I think even Quetzal's age is different because in the book And Still They Fly it says that he's 464 years old whereas in the Lineage Genealogy PDF that PatM provided it says that he's 381 years old. Maybe the PDF version is the correct one but I don't know for sure. It's true that maybe this is less important but still I would prefer something like this to be corrected. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 229 Registered: 07-2006 |
Corey, Thanks for the correction. When I was told (by Christian) there was an updated version of the book I incorrectly understood it was already available. Sorry everyone for the mis-information regarding this. Thanks again Corey. Salome PatM | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 230 Registered: 07-2006 |
Joe, The second English edition of 'And Still they Fly!' was published in 2004. Both the first and second English editions of 'And Still they Fly!' were translations of the original German First edition by Guido Moosbrugger published before 2001. Guido Moosbrugger published a second German edition in 2012 with many additions and corrections and has not be translated to English yet (from my understanding as I don't have a copy of the latest German 2012 version). See: https://figu.org/shop/b%C3%BCcher/und-sie-fliegen-doch The source of the information for Ptaah's (as well as all the other Plejaren contacts) age I used in the drawing came from Contact 354 14-Jul-2007 Contact Block 11 pages 217 - 223 In there it states Ptaah was 790 years old in 2007 and was born 1217 v.(Which equals 795 years old in 2012) Ptaah is also aware that his current personality will die 2435 v. at the age of 1218 years old. It also states that Quetzal was 376 years old in 2007 (381 years old in 2012). This is where it also says that Quetzal is Sfath's son's son's son's son. It also states that Quetzal's father was 483 years old in and his mother was 481 years old in 1987. (Thus his mother-506 years old and father-508 years old in 2012) Regarding Christian's response regarding Ptaah's age of 664 years old in 2012, I will ask him about the discrepancy and let you know what I hear.... Hope this helps Salome PatM | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 231 Registered: 07-2006 |
Joe one correction to my previous post. Contact 354 says Ptaah was born 1217 n. (after Jmmanuel) not 1217 v. (before Jmmanuel). Sorry. Salome PatM | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 232 Registered: 07-2006 |
Sorry every one. I also got the date wrong for Ptaah's death. This should also be after Jmmanuel (n.) not before Jmmanuel (v.). Thus it should say: Ptaah is also aware that his current personality will die 2435 n. at the age of 1218 years old. Sorry and Salome PatM | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 233 Registered: 07-2006 |
Joe, Christian has corrected the post regarding Ptaah's age in 2012. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/2200/1899.html?1356763358#POST62712 Salome PatM | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 260 Registered: 11-2008 |
Thank you PatM. This means that the age of Ptaah that you had provided in the Lineage Genealogy PDF is (or at least should be) correct because it mentions Ptaah's age to be 795 years (2012). But in your post 230 where you mention that Quetzal is Sfath's son's son's son's son is not clear to me. Are you saying that Quetzal who is 381 years old (2012) is Sfath's great great great (that's 3 greats) grand son or have I misunderstood you? How can this be when Semjase who is 367 years old (2012) is Sfath's grand daughter? | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 07-2006 |
Joe, Yes you are correct from my understanding Sfath is Questzal's great-great-great-grandfather. This was a question I asked Billy and was answered in Jan 2011 regarding the same subject: ------ Hi Billy & Christian, My question is in regard to genealogy line of Sfaath. Ptaah is the son of Sfaath Quetzal is the great-great-great-grandson of Sfaath My question: Is Quetzal the great-great grandson of Ptaah or the great-great grandson of Ptaah's brother? Thanks Salome PatM Billy doesn't know. ------ (I spelled Sfath wrong in my original question) - since it was not known on my drawing I placed Quetzal as the great-great-grandson of Ptaah's brother although this COULD be incorrect. Sfath was 416 years old when Ptaah was born. Ptaah was 428 years old when Semjase was born. Sfath was 844 years old when Semjase was born. Ptaah was 414 years old when Quetzal was born. Sfath was 830 years old when Quetzal way born. Quetzal was 14 years old when Semjase was born. Sfath probably had a son (who might be Ptaah or Ptaah's brother) who had a son who had a son who had a son named Quetzal 14 years before Semjase was born. Hope this helps Salome PatM | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 262 Registered: 11-2008 |
PatM, I really don't think that Quetzal can be either Sfath's nor Ptaah's great great great grand son. It just does not make sense. I don't know where you got that information from. Maybe because in the Lineage Genealogy PDF there are 3 question marks? | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 339 Registered: 07-2009 |
Do the Plejaren practice incest? Because I recall Quetzal's wives wanted Semjase and Quetzal to marry each other but they didn't see eye to eye on this. If they were related to each other, Quetzal's wives wouldn't have asked/wished this would happen. So this might/should indicate that Quetzal is not related to Sfath or his brother. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 237 Registered: 07-2006 |
Joe, The information came from Contact 453 (Block 11 page 217). The question marks only represent that the personality's name is unknown at this time (to me). Salome PatM | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 340 Registered: 07-2009 |
- or Ptaah's brother I meant. | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 263 Registered: 11-2008 |
PatM, Could you please, if possible, translate the part in contact report 453 where it mentions Quetzal being related to Sfath? I'm asking because there is currently nothing mentioned about this in the future of mankind website. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 239 Registered: 07-2006 |
Joe, The following is one cell from a 7 page spread-sheet contained in Contact 453 (block 11 pages 217-223) which contains the same information for each of Billy's contacts (not just Plejaren) as well as each of the prophets from the Nokodemion lineage. Quetzal Ischwisch Mutter = 481 Jahre alt; Vater 483 Jahre (1987) Hat vier Ehefrauen und 6 Kinder. Frühere Personlichkeit: Gabriel = Vater von Jmmanuel. Quetzal ist Sfaths Sohnes Sohnes Sohnes Sohn Quetzal Jschwisch Mother = 481 years old Father 483 years old (1987) Has four wives and 6 children. Earlier Personality: Gabriel = father of Jmmanuel. Quetzal is Sfath's son's son's son's son Salome PatM | ||
Mpower New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2013 |
Yea around 750 or just clarified but remember theroreticcally if we where to list the age and use jmmanuel as "AD" and "BC" he didnt die until 111 A.d. If we use him as christ as we now know it and later. That means our current year would be 1902 not 2013, as of may 3rd. If im also correct ot would also be the original timeline. I once asked billy and he said to make things easier he would not use this. Maybe somone got confused along the lines. As for incest and how earth society regulates it is thier own theories and laws. To have a single base race "purebred" or "white" or "black" then the original geneologie MUST BE INCESTUAL INBRED. Salome | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 928 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Mpower, Apart from the hillbilly goings on what about the other races ? From supposedly a single pair of parents how did the other races originate or split off .... black is black, red is red and yellow is oriental so how did all that come about ? .... magic maybe, but in the case of Africa was it black magic ?  Which page from the big book explains it ? Cheers. | ||
Mpower New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2013 |
Ramirez, Huh? You ever read the human races that came to earth in the futreofmankind website? Im not sure if youre talking about how "afrikaans" got black from brown here on earth or all the seperate races in the universe individually have their own genetic codeing. And as for "hillbilly" ways, my half sister and i have been practicing sexual intercourse over the past 2 years (non-pregnantal) of course. She loves me and i love her. If it be legal values or not. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 928 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Mpower, My post 928 refers to the religious version of things as proposed in the book of babble. Just mentioning that from two supposedly white parents can evolve or develop different colored races within .... 6,000 years ..... now that must be magic for sure or natural genetics has some as yet undiscovered secrets. Yes i'm aware of the other explanation which seems a bit more rational. Cheers. |
