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Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 201
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 - 09:07 am: | 
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What are people here doing in preparation for a third world war? Have any of you moved to the Southern hemisphere, to safe countries? Or are you just accepting your fate? |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 643
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 15, 2017 - 08:59 pm: |
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War is NOT a good way to address the conundrum of population self-discipline. Neither is cultural and societal mixing (for peace, for redemption, for justice, for fairness, for opportunity, etc....). What actually happens during chaotic times is women instinctively become more promiscuous, resulting in more babies. There is the whole R/K selection theory which backs up this premise.
Instead, during times of security and prosperity a better sense of reason can be generated in the population, resulting in population numbers being naturally drawn down to within our commonly recognized sustainable carrying capacities. Being secure in one's Nation (culturally, racially, familially, economically, environmentally, etc.) is a fundamental element of the psycho-social equation. Even without a declared world war, these are very chaotic and threatening times we live in.
War may result in a population crash, but it can quickly build back up again. The only way to reduce the human population on Earth in the long term is through peace.
Life
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Historeed
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Post Number: 113
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2017 - 08:32 am: |
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Michaelhelfert,
"Being secure in one's Nation
(culturally, racially, familially, economically, environmentally,
etc.) is a fundamental element of the psycho-social equation."
According to the Plejaren, "...there are on the Earth fundamentally no different human races, but rather effectively only one single race." Therefore, it would seem nations need not worry about being "racially" secure, as you put it.
https://www.creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Periodicals/FIGUOpenWords/2017/FIGU%20Open%20Words%2004/Antisemitism_Racism_Hatred_Enmity-sec.pdf?ver=2017-03-01-231854-960
Matthew Reed
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 284
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2017 - 05:55 am: |
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Glad some of you are finally addressing some of these illogical, irrational discussions about War as an answer to population control.
It's obvious to me some of you are looking for a quick solution to reducing the population by killing off people who are not of your caliber of a human beings
MsMichelle
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 644
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2017 - 06:21 pm: |
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Matthew, right you are. We are all the same. I keep forgetting that such is the FIGU canon. Thanks for the reminder. Will have to keep it in mind at all times, in every circumstance, for everything I see, hear, do, think.
Life
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Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 208
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2017 - 06:46 am: |
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"If they would rather die, then they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population!"} |
Tyler
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 03-2017
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2017 - 06:46 am: |
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@Joseph
Me I don't lose hope that it will change to the better.
We may have some farters here in the forum who post news links, who dooon't exactly understand how the truth works, but that's OK.
I know how it works. The peace meditation keeps on working in our favour, to tip events to the positive. So we have a lot of power in our hands to avert the war. |
Historeed
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Post Number: 116
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2017 - 07:58 am: |
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Michaelhelfert,
"We are all the same" is not what was stated, nor implied. But I think you knew that, right?
Matthew Reed
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 645
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2017 - 05:06 pm: |
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Matthew, I literally did understand that you meant "We are all the same".
As an example of two distinct races of people who are not living together very well, South Africa is nearing open race war. The president of South Africa is calling for the dispossession of property from whites by legal means or otherwise. Total open racial conflict there is only a few years, or perhaps a few months, away. This is because of the disparities of race, or tribes or species or traditions or economic niches, or however you want to see it. South Africa is coming to grips with our real differences with very racist, biased results.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uw7TB05q5M
And yet... I see on this forum only how we are all supposed to be the same, regardless of reality, with little or zero acknowledgement of how we distinct and valuable as unique races. IMHO, this same utopian blindness is generating in these problems, which only grow and remain unaddressed because they are morally intractable to some. South Africa is, I think, a picture of what our entire world will be like in a century or so. The problems they have, the blame and shaming, the violence and breakdown of civil society: demographics cannot be denied. What we can do, though, is acknowledge our differences, rather than denying them, and then help each other build better societies. But as long as the mantra "We are the same!!!" keeps ringing in the minds of the gullible and superficial bleeding hearts of the world, we cannot even begin to approach realistic, peaceful solutions. Perhaps you think it racist or elitist to even acknowledge that differences between groups of folks do exist. Beyond obviating reality, I can't help you with that. However, you can know, for certain, that in my own tiny guilt-ridden white way I also work for a better future for our world.
Sameness, to me, is a spiritual concept: the dissolving of boundaries and allowing love, very important to me. But also, I live in this world, where I am the same as the animals and plants I have to eat, I take up space in an over-filled world, I have to make a place for myself in a competitive environment where someone else must lose if I win. Not that you would know, but I've really struggled with that. I've come to realize that I've spent far too much of my life being overly compassionate, bending over backwards to be fair with people who can't reciprocate, and have given up much to others when I should have been putting myself first. Sameness, to me, is a reminder of my oft-inculcated white shame. It's a curse that has bitten my proffered hand of friendship pretty damned hard, and I don't like it. I still have a deep need to improve our world for us all, but I'll be damned if I do it by saying that we are all the same. That's just not true, at least not until it is true in some far-distant utopian future.
Life
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Tyler
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Post Number: 22
Registered: 03-2017
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2017 - 07:07 pm: |
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What do you mean by that, Michael? That we are supposed to be the same in this forum, with little to zero acknowledgement of our distinctness? Can you expand on that idea some? |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 646
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2017 - 06:34 am: |
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Tyler, the essence of spirit, the energy of the stuff, is one and the same among us all. The same spiritual energy enlivens all life. In the most literal sense, we are all the same - all Life is. The difference between us is in the expression of this spirit in our temporarily encapsulated incarnations. From a more spiritual perspective, no matter how dramatic these differences might be, they can be seen as inconsequential, and validly so. However... pragmatically, we are different from each other. This circumstance is NOT any sort of condemnation, it's just what naturally arises.
If one were able to emulsify in suspension all the different elements of every atomic weight and electron count, shaking them up in a large glass jar to mix them, then set that jar down, eventually the elements would naturally settle according to weight: heavier elements sinking to the bottom, while lighter elements float above them. In just the same manner does consciousness incarnate, not in linear striations, but pockets of similarities. This doesn't mean that any one perspective is 'better' than another, not hardly, only that consciousness naturally aggregates according to vibe. We may all be of the same spiritual element, but we are not exactly the same in our respective expressions of life.
Broadly, we all want the same thing, ultimately: love, peace, and a harmonious existence, with just enough growth to be challenging, but not so much as to be overwhelming. However, in the particulars, we differ substantially enough to fall into distinct groupings. Again, there is nothing wrong with that, it's just natural. We all want to validate and be validated, respect and be respected, however the particulars of what that means for each of us differs a little, and in some instances a lot. In order to build a peaceful world together, we have to learn to build a multipolar, multicultural, multiracial world, one in which folks are allowed to naturally segregate without disturbance, and yet progressively interact too.
I used South Africa as an example of a society near utter failure, and postulated that it is a harbinger of our global future. FIGU is supposed to act as a light in the chaos showing the way to a more realistically peaceful way of interacting with each other. We can already see that complete mixing of racial groups, cultural groups, histories and myths is not validating for everyone, and simply results in conflicts... and yet, we keep on attempting just this approach. I would propose another option, another way to organize our societies, one that no one has asked for, but which to my mind just makes sense. I would propose a deliberately more graduated mixing of societies rather than either complete segregation which few people fully want, and complete mixing, which is actually very disrespectful of our identities and histories. This because I want for us all peace.
In order to get to where we can all live in peace, IMHO, first we have to acknowledge that there are differences between people, neither erasing these differences nor exaggerating them, just simply allowing them to be what they are. And any insults that people feel from that acknowledgement, neither intended nor desired, but found none-the-less, are just gonna have to be dealt with. We are not all the same. Let's get beyond that standing wave, just push on through it, so that we can find ways to work together in peace to build a better world for us all.
Life
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 286
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2017 - 09:17 am: |
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I understand Michael's post #645 to mean, We are all "Flowers" but no Flower is the same. We are all "Humans" but no "Human" is the same? If so, I totally agree
MsMichelle
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Historeed
Member
Post Number: 117
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2017 - 09:40 am: |
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Michael,
What is the origin of the South African problem? It surely was forced colonization. Now cause & effect comes into play, which means the previously powerless blacks are trying to impose their will upon whites. This doesnt excuse barbarism or violence, it just puts it in perspective. Race in & of itself is not the causal factor. You clearly think about this topic a lot, and I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from. In the past on this forum, euphemisms about Jews like "unmentionables" were used by you and I wonder if you're going down that road again?
Matthew Reed
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1773
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2017 - 10:32 pm: |
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Michael what do you truly, verily, honestly and quite literally think about the jews and I am not talking about the zionists.
Can you give us a brutally honest opinion of what your attitude is regarding this group of people? |
Votan
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Post Number: 723
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2017 - 09:49 pm: |
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Historeed
The biggest problem if you look back was the attitude of the Dutch and English. Their dominant attitude caused all the problems.
Now it is coming back to bite them. Cause and effect.
joe
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Michaelhelfert
Member
Post Number: 647
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2017 - 09:59 pm: |
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Thanks MsMichelle. You got it.
Matthew, re: the origin of the South Africa problem, situation, racial/culture clash... It's complicated, and quite involved. Some people are twisting and falsifying history, while others are disregarding it entirely. In response to your second comment, beyond casting the necessary doubts about my character, no one has yet countered the politically incorrect facts I've learned about certain insular ethno-religious groups, Jews and otherwise.
Here is an interesting recent interview about the situation in South Africa that specifically avoids mention of (unmentionable). If you listen carefully, mentioned is that *someone* has been driving the racial conflicts of South Africa and Zimbabwe, some hidden hand. To me, the setup sounds familiar. It sounds like what is happening here in the United States as well, with races being played against each other by the (((mainstream media))). When (Jews or otherwise...) stop playing the races against each other, it will grow much, much easier for us to all get along, to progress not only in peace, but in prosperity. So yes, in order to address the problems of South Africa, and not just the symptoms, we have to be willing to go wherever the underlying problem actually is, no matter what, even if it's politically incorrect. Hope that's not too aspie for ya.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF0Fn83Qd_E
Life
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Historeed
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Post Number: 119
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2017 - 07:08 am: |
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Michael,
Jews are not fomenting racial strife around the world. Get a grip, please. It's stunning to me that someone who shows such interest in the Spiritual Teaching, is still enmeshed in degenerated thinking about racial matters.
Matthew Reed
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Cpl
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Post Number: 891
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2017 - 09:27 am: |
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Michael,
What or who exactly do you mean by "Jews"? There are so many different interpretations of this word that its use as a blanket term is meaningless.
Do you mean:
1. People of Jewish race? If so what race? Those descended of the Hebrew tribes or tribes of Israel, which is probably most westerners, including yourself? Or those just descended from the tribe of Judah? This would be around 1/12 the size of the Hebrew descendants. Or the Jews which are those descended from or living now in Judea? That's even fewer still, of course. Or are none of these Jews included in your Jews? If so you are using the wrong blanket terminology because it includes them. The term "Jew" means any Jew.
2. People of the Jewish religion, who may not be of Jewish race at all? People like Whoopie Goldberg, or just anyone who decides to adopt the Jewish religion.
3. All Zionists, not all of whom may be Jew by any definition?
4. Only Zionist Jews (again, whatever definition of Jew you are using)?
5. Orthodox Jews who follow the Rabbinical Congress? These are Jews, by their reckoning and definition, who do not believe a homeland for the Jews should be established before the advent of their Messiah. Many of them therefore oppose the existence of Israel and most of them actively oppose very many of Israel's actions and programs and they have often taken out full-page advertisements in the biggest US newspapers stating their disapproval of Israel's actions, for which they are severely marginalized for this stand by the more active zionist elements who support Israel.
5. Non Orthodox Jews? If so what kind or who exactly?
6. All of the above? In which case you may well be including yourself.
Until you can define precisely who you are talking about your statements about "Jews" are meaningless. Which Jews? The first word of that question means you cannot possibly use the term "Jews" because you imply all Jews when no specific definition is given. Just who, or what group of people, are you talking about? Do you know?
Chris
Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either.
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 648
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2017 - 10:00 am: |
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Joe, my opinion on Jews, unvarnished, is that they are religious group of people. Full stop. Jews are not a monolithic entity. This is not an opinion, it's fact: 18th century slavery, a Jewish-dominated industry, open borders, a Jewish-dominated initiative, Islamic immigration into Western Nations, Jewish, etc. etc. ad nauseum. I think that Jews think about themselves first, not caring so much about Western Civilization. That's what I think about Jews.
Matthew, what do you want me to say? That Jews are blameless because they are Jews? I don't hold anyone else to that standard.
This was not a discussion about Jews. I did my best to avoid broaching that topic precisely because there are so many rabid protectors of Jews among FIGU. If you are searching for a fight about Jews (I'm not), if you are looking for the next great Jew-hater, why don't you instead argue with Andrew Anglin? He's got a forum where you can argue about Jews to your heart's content, either pro- or against.
http://www.dailystormer.com/
My intent here was something entirely different: to offer up another option, another way to think about how to help bring peace to a multiracial, multicultural world that wants to stay multiracial, multicultural. How ironic that you've tried to charge that discussion with a strawman anti-Jewish sentiment.
Life
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Tyler
Member
Post Number: 30
Registered: 03-2017
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2017 - 12:59 am: |
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Are you talking about every single Jew, Michael? or, which "Jews" exactly are you referring to? |
Historeed
Member
Post Number: 120
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2017 - 03:51 am: |
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Michaelhelfert,
Do you visit the "Daily Stormer" neo-nazi website often? My goodness.
Matthew Reed
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Hugo
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Post Number: 361
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2017 - 09:23 pm: |
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Michaelhelfert, whenever I see Jews in high powerful places I always assume they are a Zionist because since when do Zionists admit they are a Zionist? Maybe if you replace the word Jews with Zionists you will not be attack here as often. |
Andrew_grimshaw
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 02-2017
| | Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2017 - 09:50 pm: |
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There has been 1 Jew that has been forgotten, shame on you!
The Christian-Jew, you know those Christians that act more like Jews than Christians but just don't know it, somehow!
Anyway, isn't Christianity just another Jewish religion?
Isn't there an imaginary Dog to be your master in both?
- The Silent Revolution of Truth -
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