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    Norm Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 12-2016 |
Banker: "One Million Will March On Washington If They Impeach Trump. They Will Be Armed" http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-17/10000000-people-will-march-washington-if-they-impeach-trump-they-will-be-armed-no-ki Kenneth I know. Most people get their 5 min news on the way to work & they most likely get it from the controlled Media. The Media has always been able to squash any UFO story from getting well known. JFK heck Billy lists all the truth from the Media lies. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 12-2016 |
If this info is true. Wow the Deep State sure doesn't want this happening. Conversations between Flynn and Kislyak accelerated after the Nov. 8 vote as the two discussed establishing a back channel for communication between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin that could bypass the U.S. national security bureaucracy, which both sides considered hostile to improved relations, four current U.S. officials said. Those discussions focused on mending U.S.-Russian economic relations strained by sanctions imposed on Moscow, cooperating in fighting Islamic State in Syria and containing a more assertive China, the sources said. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-contacts-idUSKCN18E106 | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 609 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Andrew, Some thoughts re. China .… Yes, I definitely prefer western freedom, free speech and free information gathering. But our freedom should be based on truth and wisdom. Yes, not everything in China is laudable. But the impression, re. China, that you proclaim, may need to be "re-thought": Under the leadership of England China was unjustly humiliated by 8 nations during the Opium Wars. What moral right do you have to drug a large population ? What moral right allows you to attack and steal from a country that does not want to buy your opium balls? What moral right allows you to force as s “conditions of peace” the victimized kingdom to buy more drugs until its leadership tumbles… This was a clear injustice. But would China mention this injustice today? The drug addiction weakened China which then was an easy target for the decades of atrocities Japan committed: But again China did not hit back. This is in stark contrast to western nations *): They would aggress, not only to defend what is right but as well to enslave other people and to take what they want. https://historicengland.org.uk/research/inclusive-heritage/the-slave-trade-and-abolition/sites-of-memory/slave-traders-and-plantation-wealth/london-centre-of-the-slave-trade/ https://www.nps.gov/ethnography/aah/aaheritage/histContextsD.htm (Check the slave trade figures between 1650 and 1775) China never **) colonised or enslaved other people. Yes, there are many discussions re. the South China Sea islands. They are uninhabited islands in a measurable distance to mainland China. But they "pale" in comparison with “western colonisations” of countries far away from “home” Take e.g. “Diego Garcia”: In the 1960s /70s England brutally and secretly displaced the Chagos people living there to make way for an American base: http://johnpilger.com/videos/stealing-a-nation If you watched John Pilger’s more recent documentation (“The Coming War With China”), in which he highlights the fact that the US has 400 military bases around China (e.g. in Okinawa (32), Guam, Philippines, South Korea etc): “On the Korean island of Jeju the villagers block the entrance to a new naval base with its missiles aimed at China….” NB: These missiles were there long before and have nothing to do with the new missile defence system that was moved in on April 26/27, 2017. http://thedailycoin.org/2017/04/17/coming-war-china-conversation-john-pilger-video/ As for how “others” react to such a threat: http://www.history.com/topics/cold-war/cuban-missile-crisis As for the “lying” you may want to read:- http://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/pentagon-papers According to Billy the Vietnam War started with a false flag (submarine torpedo) attack on an American warship. There is a good reason that China’s non colonizing and non aggression made it the most stable nation for the past 2000 years. Growth in consciousness depends on the spirit with which we declare ourselves to the situations that present to us, i.e. with the spirit of universal balance or with a spirit of superiority? We cannot undo what has happened in the past. So it would be futile to stimulate hate for what is in the past. Because hating would make the victimized as bad as his past aggressor. In the long run cause and effect will take care of your wrongdoing enemy, anyway. Concentrate on the future and you will develop in peace. There is a reason that China is called the “Middle” kingdom. Having said all that, though,we seem to enter a new time of shifting alliances. It does seem likely that China on the back of its economical strength (“One Belt – One Road”) will gain many strategic allies… https://www.clsa.com/special/onebeltoneroad/ …but it may as well arouse the envy of others – esp. those that lose their leadership role. I am well aware of Billy’s prediction in CR 115 ***) How everything will unfold, is guesswork. But we know that hate and sarcasm arouse a false sense of superiority. And that consciousness growth and creativity is based on a mind of equalised-ness and self-reflection. Salome, Bill *) Edgar Cayce about the origin of the names for the great oceans (Atlantic / Pacific) giving an indication of their history: (before Atlantis was destroyed ) “ … the Mongolian desert was then the fertile portion…the oceans were then turned about, they no longer bear their names. Yet from whence they obtained their names? What is the legend, even, as to their names? …” (Reading 364-13) **) We may except the “Golden Horde” as this was the time when a minority of Mongolian invaders ruled over the Chinese with brutal force. We may as well exclude the more recent (1979) invasion of the northern Vietnam: It was done to “punish” (not permanently occupy/colonize/conquer) Vietnam for its siding with Russia and its occupying of Cambodia (which was allied with China). But Billy mentions a similar happening in the future which may be more ominous: ***) Billy in CR 115 (October 1978): “It’s about China and Vietnam…Will this only be a pro forma attack (China attack on Vietnam Feb 1979) which represents a very first predecessor of that which in later time will be repeated, and then shall form the essential starting point of the Third World War, at least for the part that will be started by China?” 69. Semjase: “You are well informed about these things and you also know this to be unavoidable, in consequence of which all of it really occurs… | ||
Andrew_grimshaw Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 02-2017 |
Salome Bill, Please don't get me wrong, I have so much more time for the Chinese people than came out in that little speech. It's just the cause and effect thing that can't be escaped. And yes, they have been on the receiving end of a lot and some actions of theirs in the not too distant future may very well be of a defensive nature. I have seen John Pilger's, The Coming War on China, and received a quick history lesson (I wasn't big on history in the past) that gave me yet another reason to view the west with more disgust. I was born down here in Australia and I wonder whether it was because I was a convict, a government employee, a pompous Brit or another immigrant? I still have a lot to learn and change for the better, but at least I have started! I have all the English translations and am working on the first reading of The Goblet of Truth, with many more readings of all and more to come. And I don't think that I have a false sense of superiority, I think it's more like a sense of false superiority.  But I'm working on it! Thanks Bill. Andrew. - The Silent Revolution of Truth - | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 775 Registered: 12-2011 |
Bill What about Tibet. That was a peaceful transition. Yeah they are good. I do not trust China one bit. They are a Communist yet Capitalist. It is what suits them.What about the Boxer war. I can go on and on . They cannot wait for America to fall. joe | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 610 Registered: 04-2011 |
Salome Andrew, You are welcome. Thank you for taking my writing in a positive way: I highly commend you for your self-reflection and sincerity which are excellent guides. It is quite common to experience extremes before appreciating that the “middle path is the way to wisdom”. A good historical example is king Asoka who united India. When he was a young man he was renowned for being very hot-blooded (“Angry Asoka”). Then, after a very bloody war to unite India, he changed completely, promoted Buddhism, tolerance and became even more renowned for his 40 year’s rule of great peace. We all live to realize that nothing exists in absolute form. That no opposite exists independently of the other opposite which complements it. That all that exists, exists in oneness. Thus I highly credit many English historians / documentaries for seeking a middle way between compassion and wisdom, for portraying a positive human element in even the worst enemy. Because the more we make it a habit “to build bridges and balance the opposites we perceive *)”, the more we live with a universal consciousness, a consciousness of equalised-ness. And with this "swinging wave" we are able to share the creativity of the creative forces of our universe. Salome, Bill *) “In the sky there is no distinction of east and west. People create distinctions out of their own minds and then believe them to be true.” S. Bddha | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 611 Registered: 04-2011 |
Votan You cannot trust as long as you feel superior. Tibet: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Special_Bulletin_043 (scroll down to the first Reader Question) Boxer War: You forget to mention its cause *): This nationalist movement was a response to the intrusion by England / US and 6 other European nations. How would you/your fellow countrymen have reacted to "a new religion" after being invaded, humiliated, and “drugged up”? Communist – Capitalist: It is advisable to explain human movements and thinking in a complimentary manner with the view that it is the way of nature to establish a balance. E.g. Capitalism arose with the class of the “new rich” which made their fortune by coercing and enslaving other nations and with the “industrialists” that made their riches by employing machines and creating millions of unemployed and poor (“Industrial Revolution”). Extremes cannot persist. Out of the injustice against the working class arose the Chartist movements and Communism. But today the strict separation of classes has vanished. Most “capitalist” countries have “Labour Parties” or similar movements which continually raise the standard of working class people. As one extreme softens, so does the other. After the change in “capitalist” countries extreme “communist” countries started to develop a wealthy class similar to the western capitalists (e.g. in Russia under Yeltsin) / in China under Deng). Summarizing all points: Billy advises to judge after a thorough self-reflection. Bill *) “A major cause … was Christian missionary activity…” which the Chinese had to accept everywhere as a condition of the 2nd Opium War Peace deal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Rebellion Because of their feeling “superior” … Western governments did not then and do not today self reflect. They cannot grasp that their past invasions, enslavements and coercion were wrong. Thus they cannot grow in consciousness. This would explain why western governments are baffled on how to combat their growing drug addiction. | ||
Aljames New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 05-2017 |
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Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 759 Registered: 08-2010 |
Tat_tvam_asi Great posts Bill. Certainly, China is not perfect but certainly doing a lot of positive things right now all over the globe. Credit where credit is due. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 667 Registered: 04-2013 |
Tat_tvam_asi, Wow, what a very impressive assemblance of historical information. Excellent history lesson. Kenneth | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 777 Registered: 12-2011 |
Bill Obviously they have you fooled.They do not dominate,, they coerce.Look what they did to Hong Kong and now the South China sea and Taiwan. joe | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 138 Registered: 12-2016 |
Another example of the Leftist Controlled Media covering for their guy. Andrew Breitbart Embarrasses Chris Hayes From The Grave https://youtu.be/UqGNHOv3n28 Liberal Lawyer Alan Dershowitz questions Russia counsel: Where's the crime? https://youtu.be/Mu7TlE-XZiQ | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 400 Registered: 04-2015 |
Tat_tvam_asi, Good post about China! You forgot to mention Taiwan. When I heard the Chinese President vowing to take back Taiwan by 2020 by force if necessary I thought they must be following the Meier material and know the US will be no more at that time. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 612 Registered: 04-2011 |
Thank you Eddie and Kenneth. Bill | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 613 Registered: 04-2011 |
Joe, We should never reply to those that call you a fool. Bill | ||
Kanesean Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2016 |
Fooled?? Well Mr Votan. Your "know it all" mentality is not going to help. That's part of the reason why this forum is going pretty slow for the past few years. I agree with Bill..."You cannot trust as long as you feel superior." As far as I know, both Hong Kong and Taiwan people are living in first world standard (yes, probably higher than the U.S.). Here is a little tip, stop watching CNN or FOX and actually travel to those places and see them yourself. You will realize it is no where near as chaotic as those U.S mainstream media described. Thanks | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 669 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hugo, The year 2020 may not be a line in the sand when everything will fall, so to speak; it appears to be more of a benchmark? We know from Billy that there will be two civil wars in the United States, one following another and that the U.S.A. will break apart into five territories. However, this does not mean that the United States will no longer exist? Maybe with only a different number of states united together that still call themselves the United States, but no longer a world power? None the less, you may be onto something regarding China and Taiwan? Was Taiwan not a lease agreement for so many years from China? “Meier again addresses the situation with Russia, as he did last year, and comments on the US candidates for president and the likelihood of civil wars coming to America, as foretold first in 1981* and then in the Henoch Prophecies…in 1987: 286. Yet the misery on Earth will continue, as two terrible civil wars will break out in America, whereby one will follow the other. 287. Afterwards, the United States of America will break apart and deadly hostility will prevail among her, which then leads to the division into five different territories; and it cannot be prevented that sectarian fanatics will play a dictatorial role.” https://theyflyblog.com/2016/08/18/billy-meier-on-americas-coming-civil-wars/ Kenneth | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 760 Registered: 08-2010 |
A friend of mine, an electrical engineer who often travels to Hong Kong for his company once corrected my brother and told him that if you travel to Hong Kong, once you land there, you would think you traveled into the future. The United States of America has been dragging its feet and not focusing on growth and expansion. Imbeciles that have devolved this country and soon China, Russia, Brasil and the other nations that are or will be part of the BRICS association will surpass the USA in quality of life. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 327 Registered: 02-2010 |
Kanesean..... I'm not sure what are Votan's intentions and why he remains on this form especially since he appears to disagree with the Teachings presented by BEAM. .... I'm glad to see you confront him and others who continue two enter this forum and attempt to present there thoughts... ideologies..and presumed ntelligence MsMichelle | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 779 Registered: 12-2011 |
Bill You cannot trust as long as you feel superior. What does it really mean.You are saying that if I follow everybody's thoughts then I can trust people. Really I do not think so.We all interpret things differently and as humans we must see before we believe.Blind faith does not always work. joe | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 401 Registered: 04-2015 |
Kenneth, Taiwan was not a lease agreement like Hong Kong. I can't find the video now of Chinese President vowing to take back Taiwan by 2020 but here are some 2015 articles of it - China gearing up to attack Taiwan by 2020—gov’t report http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/735020/china-gearing-up-to-attack-taiwan-by-2020-govt-report China set to invade, retake Taiwan by 2020: Taipei http://www.todayonline.com/chinaindia/china/china-set-invade-retake-taiwan-2020-taipei | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 614 Registered: 04-2011 |
Thank you Hugo. Thank you Kanessean. As for Taiwan … The Kuomintang under Chiang Kai-shek may have taken control of the island in 1949, declaring martial law but it is definitely part of China: The allied forces determined such in the Cairo Declaration (Nov 1943). It contained a clause that "all the territories Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Formosa, and The Pescadores, shall be restored to the Republic of China". There may be some “media” stipulating “certain” news. But what should be seen is that the US had and has a keen interest in Taiwan because it was not a Communist country: According to Wikipedia there is a “… policy of deliberate ambiguity of US foreign policy…” the aim being to neither say that Taiwan is independent nor to allow China to invade it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan%E2%80%93United_States_relations IMO: Ultimately China P.R. will wait till the mainland country is economically so strong that a union with Taiwan is easily acceptable or even wanted by Taiwan. Summarizing my previous posts: All our environments bear a message for our growth. We can thus learn by taking an unbiased view of the differences we witness in “other cultures”. But we cannot “decode” (realize) these messages as long as we look down on them. Many westerners may not see great value in an ”unreligious country” that – once it was unified – preserved its own, put stability first rather than to conquer, “rob”, colonize, invade, enslave other countries. But it was not invaded, enslaved, conquered etc. either. So it may well have a message to tell those “religious” countries that spend disproportionate amounts of money for their military / military bases which – over time – grow into immense deficits, unholy wars and double standards. England promoting large opium sales in China while at the same time passing several laws forbidding its use in England being one of them. I say so as a western person. Preferring western values. But without honesty there can be no honour. And without honour there can be no peace. Salome, Bill PS At the time it fell Atlantis’ power, too, was based on an enormous military apparatus: - a standing army of 4,830,000 (equipped with small fighter beam ships for close earthly combat) - 24,230 overkill beamers ( which each needed 10 men for manipulation and were built into medium class beam ships) - 123,000 units of 1-man-destroyerships - 16,431 eliminator units, smallest beam ships which – by the influence of heat – could eliminate all matter in a fraction of a second Details see http://au.figu.org/atlantis_mu.html | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 672 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hugo, I’m no authority on China, their government or their leaders. Nonetheless, it is correct that Taiwan was never leased to anyone. Taiwanese and Chinese share the same ancestry and cultural origin; however, Taiwan is a separate land mass from mainland China. It appears that the current government of Taiwan is the Republic of China (ROC), which overthrew the Qing Dynasty in China in 1911 and was established in 1912. However this government lost mainland China to the Peoples Republic of China (PRC) in the Civil War and fled to Taiwan in 1949. By now, the ROC and the PRC are de facto separate entities, and Taiwan has de facto independence. After the ROC democratized towards the end of the 20th century. Some Taiwanese, however, gradually came to favor de jure Taiwanese independence, or declaring the Republic of Taiwan. This, however, hasn't happened yet. Therefore the current government of Taiwan, which claims to have sovereignty over all China was established in 1912, but Taiwan has never declared independence as a political entity itself. If you want to mail a letter to Taiwan, you send it to the Republic of China. If you want to visit Taiwan, you are required to apply for a Republic of China VISA. If you’re flying to Taiwan, you need to take their state-owned international airline called China Airlines. Taiwan would appear to be a part of China. If not, why would Taiwanese call China the “mainland”? You're correct Hugo, this could turn into a mess. Apparently the U.S. also has a base in Taiwan as well. Some interesting points of view on China and Taiwan: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-mainland-Chinese-argument-for-Taiwan-being-a-part-of-China-as-opposed-to-an-independent-country Kenneth    |
