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Hugo
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Post Number: 125
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2016 - 01:38 pm: | 
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What if the P's time traveled Billy back an hour ago to meet himself? It is the same developed spirit form and the same personality person. |
Kiwiseeker
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Post Number: 159
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, January 07, 2016 - 11:49 pm: |
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Thanks for your contribution to this discussion Michael.Rather than reinventing the wheel,we should look back at earlier discussions on this topic.Having done this I found the posts from Trevor Post 1(June 15,2007) to Indi Post 91 (June 22,2007) to be of interest.In particular:
*Hector:"I was surprised to read (From a moderator)that time travel demands huge amounts of energy to be performed.If the energy flow ceases, you are forced back into your original time.There is some kind of creational force that tries to keep you tied to your present time.If you want to overcome it you have to spend huge amounts of energy.
That is a creational measure to avoid two identical spirits with different vibrational levels (Immanuel and Billy)to interact with each other.But this can be overcomed for a short period of time."
*Indi: "My interpretation of the section where Hans mentions this topic, is only that: because a spirit form from one time has a different vibration/oscillation than a spirit form from a different time (the words 'mind oscillation' I could not find there), if both these spirit forms 'met'it could only be for a very short time, as it has not been anticipated by Creation (which in itself is something to think about - what that could mean) -- and that in order to even allow that short time near each other, requires the use of Creational power -- so, how long it occurred may depend on the amount of 'power' available to enable the meeting, and I think that is referring to the power that the spiritform possess, but I may be incorrect there."
*For those who are struggling to understand this aspect of time travel (going back and meeting yourself),here is David_Chance Post 40 (Feb 06,2005):"Hello all. There's a section in Contact 39 that discusses time travel (Stevens book 2 pgs.70-72, sentences 199-225; Kontaktberichte block 2 pgs.15-16, sentences 201-227).
It concerns Billy's travel 2 days into the past and his questions attempting to understand "these machinations with time".
One of the comments by Semjase, "Take my consolation, because I don't understand more than you. Even our best scientists know little about these concerns. They know the how, when, and where, but they do not know the basic cause of the process. So do not deliberate too much about this, for it would be senseless".
There's also the ability of traveling into the past and meeting & talking with oneself..."my head does already smoke"."
*I also like what Savio wrote in Post 499 (Jan 15,2005),because I had been thinking in the same way.Time flows forward,so if someone visits the past,then it has already happened.
"I would think whatever happens, will only happen in the "present" stage environment.
For example, the time travel of Billy in meeting Jmmanuel:
The event happened at the present time of Jmmanuel, where Billy came from the future, hence nothing about the past was changed.
If this is really the case, that means certain event in the future is doomed to take place like a prediction, in our case, Billy's visit must take place naturally (as a effect/result of certain creational mathematics).
Hence, my idea is, if we are going to be affected by someone coming from the future, it must take place now, else our past is fixed.
Just some thoughts ... "
Charles |
Votan
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Post Number: 472
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Friday, January 08, 2016 - 03:14 pm: |
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Kiwiseeker
Interesting article. That is what we need and not people rambling on about something trivial.
To a certain extent when we get on a plane we travel forward in time on a very smaller scale.
joe
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Str0323
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Post Number: 47
Registered: 02-2012
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2016 - 12:33 am: |
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Could it be thought of as an interaction with a memory of the Creation?
Peace,
Scott Reed. |
Ilovebilly
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Post Number: 392
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, January 09, 2016 - 09:59 am: |
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G'day Hugo
1 minute, 1 hour, 1 year is same
Regards
ilovebilly
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 1575
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 03:56 pm: |
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Charles you said 'If this is really the case, that means certain event in the future is doomed to take place like a prediction, in our case, Billy's visit must take place naturally (as a effect/result of certain creational mathematics).
Hence, my idea is, if we are going to be affected by someone coming from the future, it must take place now, else our past is fixed.
Just some thoughts ... '
Charles what if everything has already been determined by Creation right down to the last detail from its inception through the unfathomable power of Absolute Absolutum and the Absolute Nothing before that and everything is just playing out accordingly.
This human free will thing could just be part of that grand design being played out yet its beyond our intelligence to know how the AA plan works.
If I could explain myself further when you play a DVD movie (call it Creation with a material belt) what is contained within it has already been determined yet when you watch the DVD movie it appears as if its happening right in front of you and that the actors are determining the cause of their actions naturally when the fact is they go off of a script and are directed by a director to act the way they do in front of the camera.
Have I lost you?
I am not explaining myself properly I don't think.
So basically even though we have a free will to choose and so on that free will component of the human being itself has already been chosen and has already been determined by Creation in such a way that we are just living a life that is already determined.
I am most probably wrong but heck it feels like it with the way things are going on in my life when I ask myself why my life the way it is and all that transpired up to now and not the one Bill Gates or Elon Musk is living? |
Ilovebilly
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Post Number: 394
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 06:19 pm: |
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G'day Newinitiation
I remember Billy saying the future is there but it's not set
Some things are doomed to take place from the past events
Cause and effect
As u know
To have evolution we need cause and effect, we create our future
Salome
ilovebilly
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Kiwiseeker
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Post Number: 160
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 13, 2016 - 12:05 am: |
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Votan:I assume you are considering the special theory of relativity,so the time difference between the two frames of reference are indeed miniscual;essentially we are in the realm of classical physics.
Matt:That statement in your first paragraph was from Savio,which I agree with. As for everything being predetermined by Creation,I would have to say not so-my gut feeling.Also Creation evolves due to the evolution of each of its creations,through the principle of trial and error (a law of Creation),so if everything was predetermined,then there would be no need for this law.However,maybe Billy's visit to Jmmanuel is a rare exception and is predetermined.
Your analogy of a DVD movie illustrates the idea of predetermination,but once again it seems too simplistic to believe that Creation has created a drama -for what reason?
What I liked in those previous posts is:
"our best scientists know little about these concerns".So with our lower IQ how much can we learn through our own thinking?Yet it is human nature to contemplate,so go for it!
When Hans wrote(Indie's interpretation)"if both these spirit forms 'met'it could only be for a very short time, as it has not been anticipated by Creation ",does that mean that this situation is something new that Creation has yet to learn?It is hard to believe that this is the first time that this situation has occurred.
A thought experiment:Suppose on the 8th May I time travel to the 1st May and meet myself.Suppose I stay on until the 8th May (assuming that it is possible)-hence the two of us;what happens when the point in time is reached when I time travelled?Are people going to see two of us (before that time),then me taking off in my beamship and then the other me carrying on with his life?
Wishing you the best of contemplation.
Charles |
Corey
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Post Number: 1191
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2016 - 09:39 am: |
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This is worth a look... did a future terrestrial time-traveller come back in time and record 1995 Mike Tyson fight (video included)?
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/did-time-traveler-1995-film-201727660.html
Salome/Corey Müske
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Judeandrecharles
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 04-2016
| | Posted on Monday, May 16, 2016 - 05:22 am: |
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Hi Corey,
The quality of the picture is too hazy to even consider that what he or she has in his/her hands is a smartphone. Small camcorders used to exist in this time frame if i'm not mistaken. That could very well be that. For my part, if it's too hazy, I'm not gonna strain my eyes upon it.
Salome
Rich in Spirit
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 482
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, December 08, 2016 - 07:55 pm: |
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From the latest Figu Bulletin (95)
-- 4 Groups manning the UFOs on our planet – (from CR 3-5-2016)
Billy asks Ptaah whether he can openly discuss the 4 different groups, esp. the 2 groups of “future Earth humans” (“Erdzukünftige’) that fly the UFOs that are visible in our skys in our time.
Ptaah replies that there was no need to be secretive but that they wanted to wait until they knew more details about their origins.
In the further discussion Billy and Ptaah clarify that the term “Erdzukünftige” expresses
- Group 1:
Those that live on Earth in a future time and return via time travelling machines into our present
-Group 2:
Those that live and run their “state system” (Staatswesen”) in a certain subterranean area on our planet.
They possess futuristic flying machines which are far ahead of our present time.
They are given the term “Erdzukünftige” because their flying technique corresponds to a future
terrestrial flying technique which - in view of our present - is far ahead of our time.
(in the coming era Earth humans may start to develop it but it will only be in the distant future when this flying technique becomes reality)
But these “Erdzukünftige” do not come from a future time to our time.
They are not any direct descendants but indirect, distant descendants of ETs which live deep under the surface of the Earth.
They often fly their flying machines in the western hemisphere = west of Greenwich/England) where most of the small, large and even gigantic UFOs have been seen.
But they are hardly seen in Europe (east of England), Asia, Australia, NZ and Oceania).
Ptaah is not yet allowed to tell why they only fly in the western hemisphere and that he cannot mention any places.
Billy then replies in an enigmatic sentence in which the dotted parts are left out:
"Fine, then let us not mention (these places). BTW – Are those three that I have met in … and as well the two in … members of these … as you call them."
Ptaah replies:
" That is right. But this must be kept secret..."
Footnote:
May be the “Erdzukünftige” living in a subterranean place and fly around in the western hemisphere are indirectly related to the “blue race” in the Gobi desert?
In one of the CRs Billy mentioned that while he was in India he met some of these blue race people.
Could it be that the dotted exclusions refer to these meetings?
Interestingly ca. 1 month after Billy’s discussion with Ptaah we discussed the blue race …
(thank you, again, Kenneth for mentioning the blue (blooded) Indians (like Krishna) – I think it leads in the right direction..)
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/14942.html#POST78653 and following posts..
Ptaah and Quetzal may use the name of what is today a fabled city ("Shamballa") …
But as we know from their CRs "Agartha" is – even today - the “center of the actual secrets that hold a gigantic power… controlled by the race of the “Sons of the Sun”…
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http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/13273.html#POST70880 |
Corey
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 10-2016
| | Posted on Friday, December 09, 2016 - 10:10 pm: |
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Thanks Bill (Tat_tvam_asi): Considering the overall problems of our planet, especially considering our overpopulation problems, and all the learning our planet has to do from the law of cause and effect, (i.e.= learn from the negative causes as negative effects) all of the processes that lies in the difference of time between these 2 groups of future people of time travelers and our current year of 2016 will be evolutionary in proportion, but we will never forget how things are in 2016 (for the negative) as we collectively realize here on the forums just how much growing up our planet has to do between now and these mentioned future people's time, considering just how much negative we will have to learn from that lies ahead before we can collectively progress.
In the FB FIGU group, James Moore did the math, and if we pass a planetary halt-in-births, and let the planet resume child bearing every 7th year for most people, and only allow child bearing on this 7th year, then after the 7th year was over proceed with 7 more years of nobody giving birth, it would take 571 years to reach the recommended population count of 529,000,000 million Terrans, so overpopulation might be with us for some time to come so hang on tight. A tighter birth-permit system could reduce the anticipated 571 years I suppose.
Salome/Corey Müske
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 483
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| | Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2016 - 06:18 am: |
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Salome Corey,
Wow - 571 years - if our planet keeps a strict birth stop and allows child-bearing only every 7th year.
In addition the many years (which add to the current overpopulation) before this need is clear to our world leaders …
And even if they do take the necessary steps:
A humanity setting mainly material goals – greedy for more – may find it hard to adjust to minimalism..
The “Erdzukünftige” (our distant descendants) returning from the future -don't they return to see how “history happened” – don’t they want to tell us a message?
“Behold the events in Akart – these people certainly knew their predicament but were not able to implement a solution…”
As you said – “Hold tight” …
Salome,
Bill
Add-on to mail 483:
Could the subterranean abode of those “Erdzukünftige” whose UFOs are spotted in the western hemisphere – could it be inside Mt Shasta?
Hardly.
Yes, there are many articles on the net mentioning UFOs around Mt Shasta.
Moreover, the natives of the area believe that this “sacred” mountain is inhabited by "Skell", the "Spirit of the Above World"... so no small wonder that it remains the focus of New Age *) attention:
Clearly many of these "legends" have sectarian connotations *) and should be disregarded.
Still, the legends **) of natives don’ they indicate that there is "some truths"?
== CR 505 ==
But CR 505 (Nov 18, 2010) verifies:
A subterranean alien abode existed in Mt Shasta, the Aleuts and Alaska.
But it also states that the aliens left on their own accord after putting the places back into their natural order (as they were before they created their subterranean abode – as was done under the Giza Pyramids):
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/12780.html#POST65415
(Quetzal told Billy that all the aliens of Mt Shasta, the Aleuts and Alaska left – Ptaah confirms it and informs Billy that the aliens in question descended from the Lyrians to which they returned after they (the Plejaren) told them the reasons why they left Earth – convincing them to leave as well… )
So, in Nov 2010 there were no aliens in Mt Shasta.
But some photos ***) – true or hoax – show UFOs post 2010 in the Mt Shasta area which –if true- may indicate that other ETs may have returned there.
But this possibility seems very remote.
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*) Articles re Mt Shasta
The natives of the area believe that it is inhabited by "Skell", the "Spirit of the Above World"... so no small wonder that it remains the focus of New Age attention.
http://www.lemurianconnection.com/category/about-mt-shasta/
This is a mystery filled (religiously motivated?) article re. a connection (?) with Mu (Lemur), the legends/myths of the "wondrous little people of Mt Shasta who can make themselves visible and invisible" - of their "Silver Fleet" of space ships - of their knowledge of using the energy from crystals (similar to what E. Cayce tells us of the Atlanateans) - of Dr. M. Doreal, the founder of the "Brotherhood of the White Stone" (= a metaphysical sect) who claimed to have visited the "Lemurians" inside the mountain ... etc etc.
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http://mtshastaspirit.org/general/mysteries-of-mount-shasta/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Shasta - Scroll down to "Religion and Legends"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legends_of_Mount_Shasta
***)
E.g. 2013 - UFO materializing (after coming out of the mountain):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-P7FwlZjG0
http://ufos-disclosure.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/dr-steven-greers-ce-5-contact.html
Reader Comments: https://vimeo.com/49097668
Disc on our Forum: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/12468.html#POST61870
Naturally, in our time of F-E-A-R (False-Evidence-Appearing-Right) it is hard to tell what is true and what is (a "Photoshop")fake.
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PS
A correction to the footnote in my mail 482:
Billy's discussion about “Erdzukünftige” was actually almost 4 months earlier (than our "blue race" discussion) |
Corey
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| | Posted on Saturday, December 10, 2016 - 05:26 pm: |
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Bill (Tat_tvam_asi): I agree with you. Minimilism is the only way to ensure everyone has a good future, and it could already be to late for that for some if we do not lower population levels. Greed (and over-consumption/overshoot) could be responsible for so much death in the future if it is left unchecked.
Whoever the second group is of future "Erdzukünftige" is, they may have left the planet so Terrans can mature, and learn from cause and effect, and will return after we develop time travel, so the returning foreigners can run their future "Staatswesen" in the certain subterranean area of the planet at that time after Terrans have matured enough to be fully interstellar in thoughts, feelings, and actions (each Earth human fulfilling the laws and recommendations of the Creation).
Or if this second group of "Erdzukünftige" is still here on Earth, they will most likely choose to keep themselves unknown from Terrans for centuries, because our planet needs to balance out from the enslavement of religion/politics/money and embrace the freedom of the creative-natural.
Salome/Corey Müske
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 485
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| | Posted on Sunday, December 11, 2016 - 08:32 pm: |
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Re. the UFOs we witness on our skies…
Salome Corey,
There is some information on the futureofmankind web site in CR 532.
With a few more details in CR 533 (in German in Sonderbulletin 66 - not yet on the futureofmankind web site).
===> “3 Groups of non terrestrial (and non-Plejaren) ETs” <===
Note re. CR 532
The translation of the very first sentence gives a wrong impression by missing a small but important word (“-ones”):
Billy starts the conversation asking Ptaah for information about those ETs that are not of terrestrial origin (= not the ones that I mentioned as in Group 1 in my previous mail):
“Dann meine nächste Frage, die sich nicht auf die Zukünftigen bezieht, mit denen ihr sowieso keine Verbindung haben wollt, meine Frage bezieht sich auf die euch Unbekannten, resp. auf die euch Erdfremden…”
The translation given is:
“Then my next question which does not apply to the future, with those of whom .”
It should rather be:
“Then my next question which does not apply to the future-ones, with those of whom …"
This is what I conclude from all the info given in CR 532 and CR 533:
(I partly repeat what I said in one of my previous mails to present the whole scenario):
There are 4 groups of interstellar space travelling UFO on Earth’s skies:
- Group 1:
Those of our descendants that live on Earth in a future time and return via time travelling machines into our present
-Group 2:
Those that live and run their “state system” (Staatswesen”) in a certain subterranean area on our
planet. They possess futuristic flying machines which are far ahead of our present time.
They are given the term “Erdzukünftige” because their flying technique corresponds to a future
terrestrial flying technique which presently is far ahead of our time (in the coming era Earth humans
may start to develop it but it will be in the distant future when this flying technique becomes reality.
But these “Erdzukünftige” do not come from a future time to our time.
They are not any direct descendants but indirect, distant descendants of ETs which live in deep
under the surface of the Earth. They often fly their flying machines in the western hemisphere
(= west of Greenwich/England) where most of the small, large and even gigantic UFOs have been seen.
But they are hardly seen in Europe (east of England), Asia, Australia, NZ and Oceania).
Group 3 and 4:
Acc. to Ptaah (CR 532) they have the same origin as the ones in Group 2 (groups 2,3,4 are different factions which have different tasks and are competent for different terrestrial areas, but they really are one unit)
So
Group 2: North and South America (see above)
Group 3: Europe/Africa/Madagascar/Arabia/Arctic
Group 4: Asia / Australia-NZ / Oceania
The Plejaren do not know from which planet/star system these 3 groups come from:
They could only watch a few of them.
They have not yet registered any flights back to their home planet from which they conclude that they all must be stationed here on Earth.
Ptaah informs Billy that they have no intent to contact them:
The techniques and consciousness development of the 3 ET groups is far behind the Plejaren’s.
Yes, the 3 groups may have the knowledge to build flying machines for interstellar travel – so their techniques are much higher than our present terrestrial techniques.
But their techniques are much lower than the Plejaren’s – in particular: they can never penetrate the protective shields of (= cannot locate) Plejaren spaceships.
Ptaah’s evaluation of their consciousness development:
- From the many incidents that these 3 groups created and create, the Plejaren conclude that their consciousness is not in agreement with the creational-natural laws and recommendations – mainly:
The creational-natural laws/recommendations would demand the integrity / invulnerability of both, body and psyche, of humans, animals and creatures but, –just as terrestrial humans - they do not seem to take much care for these laws/ recommendations.
So, even though the 3 groups may have an advanced flying technique – in their consciousness evolution they may not be much different to the present Earth humans which follow (secular rather than spiritual) laws and recommendations.*)
Because of the secular (rather than spiritual) orientation of their consciousness and the lower grade of their technique the directives of the Plejaren do not allow a contact. Neither have the Plejaren a great interest to follow their every move or supervise them (“we only take not of accidental (unintended) observations”) :
Thus Ptaah does not know much about them.
CR 533:
But he mentions that these ETs have access to terrestrial media – like the news on TV, radio and in newspapers. And he informs Billy that because of these media outlets not only are terrestrial secret services, military units and governments curious and want to verify Billy’s “Plejaren contacts” but as well the 3 groups of ETs.
But the Plejaren technique is too advanced and all their tries to locate the Plejarens (visiting Billy) were and are in vain.
But Ptaah confirms Billy’s presumption that some of those UFOs "curving around" Schmidrüti in the past may have been from ETs belonging to the 3 groups.
Billy is somewhat surprised that the Plejaren did not inform him about that.
But Ptaah tells him that they only give answers to his questions or if they find that an event is important.
===> Terrestrial UFOs <===
Billy then asks Ptaah whether those “round disks” which Germans (ex WW2) built in Brasil and later in the US and South America are still in our skies today.
Ptaah replies that “certain countries” continue to work on the “captured flying machines” – as do many of the descendants of the German WW2 technicians which studied to become engineers, too. They make good progress.
Billy tells/questions Ptaah “Mainly in South America.. but perhaps not only in one country?”
Ptaah confirms that.
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This may somewhat surprise:
Is travelling through interstellar space based on the requirement of a higher state of consciousness? |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 487
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2016 - 03:47 am: |
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Add-on to Mail 483/485: NASA Photos - Possible Settlement 2.3 km under the Antarctic Ice?
Note: The Antarctic belongs to the Group 4 ETs
Do remote sensing pictures by NASA’s operation “Ice Bridge” reveal a city or settlement under the Antarctic ice?
“…earlier this year photos from NASA appeared to reveal traces of a human settlement underneath the ice….”
http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/archaeology/shock-claims-massive-ancient-civilisation-lies-frozen-deep-beneath-the-antarctic-ice-and-could-even-be-atlantis/news-story/433fc633f7ae122ef8a525013ecba97b
NB
Re. the link above:
The Piri Reis map mentioned in the article has, according to the Plejaren, no ancient connotations.
And we know that it could not be Atlantis as the article suggests.
Re. the link below:
But the NASA photos – if they are the ones shown in the article below – well, there is perhaps something to it:
http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/antarctica-nasa-images-reveal-traces-of-ancient-human-settlement-underneath-2-3-km-of-ice/ |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 488
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UFO s / Antarctic ?
http://www.section51-ufo.com/2016/01/strange-ufo-filmed-by-norwegian-expedition-in-antarctica-january-2016.html
http://www.ufointernationalproject.com/latest-news/navy-engineer-i-saw-ufos-aliens-and-top-secret-bases-in-antarctica/ |
Tat_tvam_asi
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| | Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2016 - 05:22 am: |
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There are some further, later explanations re. the 4 ET groups in CR576 of Dec 9, 2013.
(in a segment that is not published on the futureofmankind web site but can be found in German in Spec. Bulletin 76)
Brief Summary not a 1:1 translation):
Ptaah tells Billy
that originally they had no interest to investigate the 4 groups but due to an event in September 2013 (no particulars given) they found it necessary to have a closer look at one of the groups.
They contacted the Sonaer, which are friends of Asket’s people for some technical aids with which they were able to penetrate the materials of the round, triangular and boomerang-shaped UFOs of the group in question and retrieve some information about the life forms flying these objects and their techniques without them noticing anything. Plejaren language scientists were able to decipher their language within 9 days and miniscule recording devices which they beamed into the flying machines were able to give them some interesting additional information.
Ptaah mentions as well that they were able to find that the examined group did not belong to Earth and how they came to Earth. But he cannot mention any details..
He allows Billy to publish what he said because even if these ETs read these statements they cannot harm the Plejaren because their technique cannot trace the Plejaren ships..
He tells Bill that there is so far (Dec 9, 2013) no need to investigate the other 3 groups but that they will do so if special events would make this necessary.
(Message edited by scott on June 05, 2017) |
Tat_tvam_asi
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| | Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2016 - 05:42 am: |
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Important add-on Re. UFOs foreign to Earth:
There are additional infor in CR 577 which can be read in detail on the futureofmankind web site.
In this report Billy mentions:
“Also in Europe they are observed from time to time, where sometimes they also shine rays of light down to the ground and allow vehicles and humans to glisten in the light. Just this week, just such a case in Germany was reported to me, where during the night a truck driver was suddenly blinded by such a flying object that hovered over his truck while radiating a strong light, in which that light, as the driver explained, was extremely glaring, while additionally no sound was heard from the object itself, and so it was completely silent.”
German:
“Auch in Europa werden sie immer wieder mal beobachtet, wobei sie manchmal auch Lichtstrahlen zum Erdboden niederleuchten und Fahrzeuge und Menschen im Licht erstrahlen lassen. Gerade diese Woche wurde mir von so einem Fall in Deutschland berichtet, wo ein Lkw-Fahrer des Nachts plötzlich von einem solchen Flugobjekt, das über seinem Laster schwebte und ein starkes Licht verstrahlte, geblendet wurde, wobei das Licht, wie der Fahrer erklärte, äusserst grell war, während ausserdem vom Objekt selbst kein Ton zu hören und es also völlig geräuschlos war.”
Ptaah confirms that (for further details see CR 577 futureofmankind website)
Why is this point so interesting?
Well, Billy’s statement matches the January 2016 video which we mentioned in a previous mail:
http://www.section51-ufo.com/2016/01/strange-ufo-filmed-by-norwegian-expedition-in-antarctica-january-2016.html
It quite clearly shows a flying saucer with – incredible as it sounds – a headlight! |
Tat_tvam_asi
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| | Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2016 - 07:28 am: |
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Continuing our UFO report ...
In CR 578 (Jan 9,2014) Billy describes a UFO sighting in Germany and a photo of one in front of the ISS.
Ptaah mentions that it could be one of the 4 groups but cannot confirm or deny their existence.
He informs Billy that unidentified flying objects visited Earth for more than 5000 years.
And that the group(s) of “foreign to Earth” people that are in Earth skies now, were as well “indirectly connected” to many UFO sightings in the past.
The Plejaren recorded their existence in their ancient records.
But they never got in contact with the people flying the UFOs for security reasons.
Their directives were very strict in that.
But as they now have found out that the foreign UFOs cannot harm them or get into their universe they allow Billy to make a note in the CR and publish the discussion.
Details can be found in CR 578 on the futureofmankind website:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_578 |
Kanesean
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so essentially Plejaren/Sonaer are top tier when it comes to technology. No human lifeforms in this universe could possibly defeat them.(hypothetically)
But why are they "only" 6000 years ahead of us. Aren't they supposed to be million years ahead in terms of technology? |
Michaelhelfert
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Kanesean,
The Plejaren, like countless other societies, have not had a linear development of their society. They've had ups and downs, periods when they were focussed on other things than spiritual and/or scientific development, although those swings may not have been as dramatic as what's occurred on Earth.
The statement of x-amount of time to develop a certain degree of technological aptitude seems to be based on an ideal progression of ideas, which we most likely will not follow. Additionally, the development of scientific understanding generally mirrors a society's spiritual understanding, or understanding of the self, who one's self is, what our purpose in life is, and how closely we adhere to that purpose, which ensures that the most egregious mistakes are made when we are less developed. If a society truly wants to take the highway to scientific understanding and technological development, the fastest way is through spiritual self-development, something which thankfully cannot be merely imitated.
This natural progression can be short-circuited through the interaction of more advanced folks with less advanced, which is apparently how we developed some of our most destructive technology - atomic weapons. Earth is a convoluted social environment, with an advanced history, with secret societies with designs to this day. We are not simply evolving linearly from the stone age. Socially, you might say that we Earthlings have taken on more intractable collective challenges. Assuming we don't blow our planet to smithereens, in the coming centuries this will reflect in our spiritual self-understanding, as well as the science and technology we develop.
Life
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Justsayno
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If I were a time travel, 500 years in the future, after a nuclear holocaust, where only small pockets of humans survived, what would be my first goal? It would be to come back at that point in time, before the nuclear holocaust, to try and change the outcome. I mean who wouldn't, if given the chance?
This makes me wonder if our distant descendants aren't trying to do this? Perhaps in their timeline, Hillary won the election. Just throwing this out there.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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