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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 701
Registered: 08-2010

Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 06:43 am:

When and where 'true love' is as one of the twelve leaders, then the recognition is won that everyone is contributing towards the evolution of the Creation, as "they & I" evolve, the swinging waves affecting the planet begin to change.

It is a creational law that those who are greater or stronger should help the weaker. This instills the responsibility to be of help to others and cultivates patience, kindheartedness and love for next one.

So once cultivated, this leader is the one that most contributes, and thereby the most important, for the evolution of the consciousness of all fellow human beings.

Salome,
Eddie

In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)

Corey
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Post Number: 1101
Registered: 12-2009

Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 09:49 am:

Mait,

With that line, I was mainly referring to skeptics, attackers, and opponents to Billy Meier, they just discard something, that is so beautiful.

mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216

Corey
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Post Number: 1106
Registered: 12-2009

Posted on Friday, March 18, 2016 - 10:18 pm:

true love (wahre Liebe): the essence of this love (and knowledge, and wisdom) is sent to the storage-bank of the consciousness-block by the OCB, while the spirit-form is in the beyond/other world (Jenseits), and is one of the essence of the retrievable evolutive values, sent to the material subconsciousness of the new personality upon rebirth, to be drawn upon by the planetary storage-banks once the birth has happened in this world (Diesseits).

Studying love can result in drawing this essence (for your evolution level as a consciousness form) from the storage-banks, where one can benefit tremendously. Evolutively striving for this leader of love, to help you attain love for the next one, can literally change your life. Too many of the people are cold, loveless, I used to be this way. My self-education character has helped me find shades of love for the next one, which I try to radiate to the people of my kind. I think this comes easier, naturally, for women, then it is for men like me, but I have been trying to be logical with my love, to send out the swinging waves in a negative-positive-equalised form.

Maybe this is the cold way to go about the whole thing though, but it seems to be effective, and I can live with myself doing it, which is important to me. On my walk today I was struck with a feeling of love for all of Creation's created natural creations, and I thought of what we have been posting here about this leader. Because of the forums, this whole thing is branching out, which is a learning experience for all involved.

Corey
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Post Number: 1109
Registered: 12-2009

Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2016 - 09:56 pm:

Some people are ashamed to love someone, because the fire of untruth has been burning inside them for so long, and the are not connected to the laws and recommendations, of Creation. Maybe the law of cause and effect, as well as, the law of contrariness is at play here too, what might not appear to be love, at first glance, really might be.

Back to work tomorrow. I hope my series of posts aided some of your development.

Salome

Hugo
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Post Number: 175
Registered: 04-2015

Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2016 - 09:39 pm:

"Some people are ashamed to love someone,..."

Scared too. Love hurts.

Corey
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Post Number: 1118
Registered: 12-2009

Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2016 - 12:19 am:

I have read quite a few FIGU books, and although a multi-faceted array of books to learn from, is good to gather love, knowledge, and the essence of wisdom, for about as much as your consciousness can soak in, many of the books will most likely be applicable after several hundred years of planetary, societal, and scientific development (such as the polygamy discussed in "Gesetz der Liebe", scientific information in the CR, other books containing the spiritual sciences, etc.), this is not to say books, such as "God-delusion & God-Insanity", and the "TJ 2011 edition" cannot help one move past Christianity today, they most certainly can, but I think the book OM, for instance will only replace the bible in 800 years, for the historical information it presents, at a time, in 800 years, when the planet will be open to accepting Old Lyrian wisdom, in the form of OM canon's. Of course, the rich wisdom offered in OM can be accessed today, for any interested person(s).

I think the book that is the most applicable to learn from, for the current state of affairs (both negative, and positive) of our planet Earth, is ""The Goblet of the Truth". I also think the code is the most powerful, for me, I have gained the most free-willed negative-positive-equalised cognitions from my readings of this book. I also think this is the book that will be most accessed by the small pockets of FIGU people, and other interested parties, that can survive, in the future, when the negative situations will be bursting open at the seams, and survival becomes very difficult. The longer our planet goes, without the places of fulfillment of guidelines, gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit, and dealing with insanity of overpopulation, the longer we (and our descendants) will have to suffer the calamity, and disaster, of not having a society that is based in Creational law, as the law of cause and effect fulfills itself.

This is not to say, that reincarnating FIGU people will not access the whole spectrum of Geistelehre books over the next 800 years, they most certainly will, I just wanted to stress the importance of GOT, in case you ever wondered what is in the German books that you are missing out on. Don't worry, when it comes to GOT, both Billy and Ptaah stressed that this book is the core of the mission. If you can only read English, go ahead and also read "The Psyche", "The Way to Live", "The Might of the Thoughts", and grow in love, knowledge, and wisdom, and evolve your consciousness, I just wanted to stress the importance of GOT, and express my gratitude that this book was translated, very thoroughly, so it would be as close as humanly possible to the German original. And of course, if you can read German, than you already know, the more multi-faceted perspective you have of the Geisteslehre, the better the wisdom you attain, and the richer, and more rewarding, your life can be (Lehre des Lebens).

And of course, there is the old adages that a thorough study is a good study, and repetition is the motto to a good study. I often re-read books, and gain new perspectives I missed the first time. Don't put all your eggs in one basket, but but don't pass on "The Goblet of the Truth", because of the cost, etc, for the treasure that it is, it remains very affordable.

For the time being, there is plenty of food, and drink, Ausartungen invading armies are not raping, and pillaging, and destroying everything in their path in the West, and nuclear weapons are not being used. Any FIGU book study is a good one.

Joe
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Post Number: 411
Registered: 11-2008

Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2016 - 12:49 pm:

Corey,

Has the book "Gesetz der Liebe" been translated into English yet? How may pages does this book have?

Corey
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Post Number: 1119
Registered: 12-2009

Posted on Wednesday, March 23, 2016 - 07:01 pm:

Joe: no this book has not been translated, it is a smaller book @ 103 pages, that contains much valuable knowledge, and wisdom.

Kiwiseeker
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Post Number: 168
Registered: 08-2006

Posted on Friday, March 25, 2016 - 06:04 pm:

Well said Corey in your post 1118.Your advice is spot on-from my perspective.
Charles

Marbar
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Post Number: 283
Registered: 12-2009

Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2016 - 04:46 am:

I have some questions about the Goblet of the Truth, they are about what cam with the book and keeping track of what has been read.

Question 1: What is the purpose of the two gold ribbons that came with the book? I really don't use them, I just leave them where they are at.

Question 2: Do any one of you keep a log on how far you read the book; that is keeping track of what you have read so far. I keep a reading log on how many pages I read of the Goblet of the Truth.

Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 712
Registered: 08-2010

Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2016 - 08:03 pm:

I have a couple of bookmarks I use.

My personal approach is to read/study from cover to cover. So I use one bookmark to keep track of where I ended.

I also use another bookmark to mark texts I want to further explore.

I do not keep any log. I simply bookmark and start up where I ended. I usually end where the prophets finish their allegory or the analogy they have expressed.

Hugo
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Post Number: 194
Registered: 04-2015

Posted on Saturday, May 14, 2016 - 09:29 pm:

Eddie, may I ask how many times you read the GOT? For me it's a book that needs to be read many times to digest the material. I read through it once and I'm lucky if I remember more then 10% of it.

Corey
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Post Number: 1190
Registered: 12-2009

Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2016 - 12:40 am:

Marbar: The golden ribbons are for bookmark purposes, OM used to have these too, as a way to mark your place in the book.

"Goblet" is such a profound piece of work, I can see why you would want to keep a log of what you read in it, as a way to be respectful, I personally keep notes on the important subjects/topics that resonate with me, also these notes help me if I want to teach, or discuss something here on the forums, Eddie has some good ideas too!

Salome/Corey Müske

Msmichelle
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Post Number: 133
Registered: 02-2010

Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2016 - 06:11 am:

I agree GOT is a profound piece of work. I've read thru the book several times, and when I've approach a new level of understanding, I'll re-read the book again and I feel like I'm reading a "new book" each time. Therefore, I do not use bookmarks because once my Consciousness is ready, I'll absorb the information and apply it according to my life experiences. Hope that makes sense.

MsMichelle

Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 713
Registered: 08-2010

Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2016 - 08:10 am:

Hello Hugo,

I don't think I can count how many times I have read the Goblet. I can tell you I have read it now a large number of times.

That is fantastic that you have read it through once. That is a great start. You will find it interesting how more and more stands out as you continue to read from beginning to end.

The exciting times eventually come as you begin to recognize the allegories and analogies in your daily life ...and then taking actions based on the cognitions.

How much we gain from the Goblet in this life-time will pay huge dividends in our next life.

Kenneth
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Post Number: 316
Registered: 04-2013

Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2016 - 09:49 am:

MsMichelle,

Yes exactly; I do the same, except when I'm traveling or at appointments I use an electronic tablet of sorts to continue reading the "GOT" in eBooks. Often finding a paragraph or two that needs to be shared; copy and past into my email as a draft to take action at a later date when there is an Internet connection. You are correct, each time while reading the "Goblet of Truth", it's like a different book.

Kenneth

Hugo
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Post Number: 197
Registered: 04-2015

Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2016 - 09:34 pm:

Hi Eddie,

I meant to say I read the GOT twice, not once.

I have the same problem with Billy's other two books, The Pysche and Might of Thoughts. I read both of them "once" but can only remember small parts. I do not know if it is just me or because there is so much info to digest in all of Billy's spirit books. I assume it's the later.

Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 714
Registered: 08-2010

Posted on Monday, May 16, 2016 - 06:00 am:

Helo Hugo,

There is certainly an ocean of information in the Goblet.

But you have to go deep in order to find the gold.

Marbar
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Post Number: 284
Registered: 12-2009

Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2016 - 04:48 am:

Corey, some of the information in those chapters also resonate with me as well.

Once I finish reading the English text in the Goblet of the Truth, I will start reading the German text starting with Chapter 1. Also, I will do my best to keep the book hidden from my family.

Corey
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Post Number: 1192
Registered: 12-2009

Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2016 - 11:21 pm:

Marbar: I know precisely what you mean. It is one of my wishes that in a future time we will (slowly?) need over 8 thousand million copies of the "Goblet of the Truth". As it can be said, the truth always bubbles to the surface. Lots of mission helpers (assisters) would be reincarnating in this case, and have an easier time as reinforcements for our home planet. I think most in the younger generation of most of the races of the Earth, and the planet's females could be quite open to very serious changes.

Salome/Corey Müske

Marbar
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Post Number: 285
Registered: 12-2009

Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2016 - 10:18 am:

Corey, the more of Billy Meir's books I buy, the harder it will be for me to hide them.

My biggest concern is when I'm no longer living, someone may find the Goblet of the Truth and do something terrible to it. That is why I want to write something in the blank pages of that book in case someone does find it. I will ask the moderators on some suggestions.

Corey
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Post Number: 1193
Registered: 12-2009

Posted on Wednesday, May 18, 2016 - 08:37 pm:

Marbar: if you are taking a risk reading Billy's "Goblet of the Truth", hold your head high and proud during your alone time when you read the book, and during those quiet moments alone never forget that you are one of the participating forces of the silent revolution of truth, and no terrestrial human-being will ever be able to take that away from you. If your not married, you could always move out, and get yourself a nice, quiet studio apartment, away from your family, and have a nice bookshelf for any Meier book that you want to study at your own leisure, and in your own discretion, that's what I would do in your situation. Your family would probably always never understand why you read Billy's Geisteslehre books, but you do as the books resonate deep inside yourself, and that is what truly counts, which is why you take the risk in the first place. If your personality ceases, and your family damages your books, all they will be able to do is tamper a little with your fluidal forces, they will not be able to tamper with your spirit-form's evolutionary development, nor your personal storage-bank frequency, and as long as your bones from your current lifetime are not cremated, or destroyed, your successor personality will still be able to draw on the return-connections (Rückverbindungen) links to your predecessor personalities' fluidal forces.

Salome/Corey Müske

Corey
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Post Number: 1229
Registered: 12-2009

Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2016 - 10:49 pm:

note: any material outside of quotation marks is only my personal commentary from my studies which spans many years, and any quoted material housed in quotation marks is direct from the introduction to the "Goblet of the Truth" to support my statements:

The possible collapse of the United States mentioned in contact 544 that Michael Horn has recently been publicly drumming attention to, that can and probably will, happen, is information based on Ptaah's probability calculations. If this does occur in 2020, all of the unthinkable reprecussions for citizens of the United States that will have to experience third world country type of conditions such as mass starvation's, anarchy, civil wars, collapse of governmental services, worthless money, etc., will be no doubt fulfill as the causalities of the law of cause and effect. The unthinkable collapse of the United States will no doubt take the unprepared masses by surprise, and will no doubt usher in a new era as China as the next world superpower. The good short-term news for the people of Earth is: if the United States does collapse in 2020, the pattern of US-based military supremacy in a quest for world-domination of other countries will more then likely cease dramatically, if not all-together. However the flip-side to this coin is: the collapse of the United States could impact the world economy, furthermore I do not think the other countries of Earth are off "scott-free" though, to forever live in a paradise on Earth once the US collapses, I have searched the material directly, and all of the negative, earthly reprecussions for the collapse of the United States will also likely be just the beginning of negative surprises for the people of Earth world-wide, because the Earth is a planet that does not base it's individual societies in creational law. The world is subjegated by the negative energies and consciousness-based oppression's of religion, and the world needs to drastically change how it uses it's militaries, and needs to drastically change how the world uses it's penal system for criminals.

I do not know if it is too late for my country, let's say for arguments sake that it is too late, the only way out of a negative future for the rest of the Earth who lives outside the United States, who are my people too. I am concerned for the entirety of the Earth as a living whole of oneness, and the reasons for this are manifold. If I perish because of 2020, I could easily reincarnate in one of your international societies in my next-life, and the Earth is my planet, and I want what is best for it's entire people (and I want what is best for everyone's reincarnating successor personalities'), and I can tell you the only way out of a desperately negative future is: the manifestation of a Henoch style multinationial peacekeeping force of gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit, the places of fulfillment of guidelines, and a world-wide halt in births with 7 year birth-rate checks. Only the Earth following these recommendations will neutralize most of the negative prophecies from fulfilling, while there is still time to change the the effects stemming from the negative causes of these prophecies, the causes = which are based in negative thoughts, feelings, and negative actions of the entire Earth human-beings.

Forget about Steven Hawking's comments about ET threats, Overpopulation is the biggest unnatural threat to the planet Earth, and failing to materialize massive overpopulation reductions could spell out a collapse of the ocean's global conveyor-belt (contact 544), as well as bring about a possible atmospheric collapse (contact 481), and both of these futures could exterminate all living life-forms on this delicate planet of ours. Add Apophis to the mix, where the only way out is for the world heed Meier's warnings, and to act in complete unity to internationally cooperate to deflect this 350 meter beast of a meteor, above and beyond if the United States collapses in 2020, the rest of the Earth needs to choose between the status quo of doing nothing about this meteor, and overpopulation, or materializing drastic action to stop both, because you have 2 potential global-killers on your hands.

to support my statements, see the contact reports I mentioned, or see what Billy sums up as some frighteningly real information for us all in the introduction to the "Goblet of the Truth" which says the following:

(*i) "And truly, the danger of a catastrophe befalling humanity has never been so great as today and in the future. Cynical materialism and unbridled neo-capitalism which have now overtaken the entire world are already leading to extremely serious damage to nature and the morality of the human beings of Earth, and this damage continues to grow in relation to the irresponsible increase in overpopulation. Things have already reached the stage when a clash of industrial nations could occur, something which can scarcely be stopped any longer, and will also cast the nations of the �Third World� into the same darkness. And if this happens, a Third Global Conflagration will be imminent � in whatever form it takes. Indeed, the human beings of Earth are well on their way to this, therefore it is only a question of time and rationality as and when and whether it will actually occur. However, it is once again the case that the signs are pointing to the whole thing being unavoidable. However, this Third World Conflagration may take various forms, such as a collapse of nature that has been desecrated and flouted by the human beings of Earth, as have the atmosphere, the water, the planet as a whole and the animal kingdom; to put it simply, a global catastrophe. And this collapse would result in the collapse of civilisation, leading in the final analysis to the total extermination of the human beings of Earth, or at least, a regression to the harshest forms of primitive living. Falling back into total primitive anarchy is also possible, meaning that all the life forms still existing would only be capable of a vegetative existence full of suffering. Viewing the whole thing from this threatening perspective means no more and no less than that the human beings of Earth will sacrifice all their valueful achievements through a global catastrophe, and all because they had followed a flawed development for millennia in terms of true love, freedom, harmony and real peace amongst all life forms. Indeed, in the present day, it is possible to see an apocalypse of this kind looming threateningly on the horizon and over the destiny of the human beings of Earth, because even long ago, the blossoming culture of the truth was destroyed globally, and evil, Gewalt and every kind of Ausartung set in its place, a thing that has happened in particular due to machinations of politicians, false laws, false penal codes as well as religions and sects."

"Und wahrheitlich war die Gefahr einer Menschheitskatastrophe noch nie so gross wie es die heutige Zeit und die Zukunft in sich bergen. Der zynische Materialismus und der zügellose Neokapitalismus, die bereits auf die ganze Welt übergegriffen haben, zeitigen in der Natur und Moral des Menschen der Erde bereits �usserst schwere Sch�den, die sich weiterhin immer mehr steigern, und zwar gem�ss der Relation zur verantwortungslos sich steigernden �berbev�lkerung. Bereits ist es soweit, dass ein Zusammenprall der Industrienationen erfolgen kann, was kaum mehr aufzuhalten ist, wobei dann aber auch Staaten der �Dritten Welt� in dieselbe Dunkelheit abstürzen. Und geschieht das, dann steht ein Dritter Weltenbrand bevor � wie dieser auch immer aussehen mag. Auf dem besten Weg dazu ist die Erdenmenschenheit jedoch tats�chlich, so es nur noch eine Frage der Zeit und der Vernunft ist, wann und ob es tats�chlich der Fall sein wird. Aber wieder ist es einmal soweit, dass die Zeichen darauf hinweisen, dass das Ganze unvermeidlich sein wird. Doch dieser Dritte Weltenbrand kann verschiedene Formen haben, so also auch einen Kollaps der vom Menschen der Erde geschundenen und missachteten Natur, der Atmosph�re, der Gew�sser und des Planeten sowie der Getierwelt, also schlichtwegs eine Globalkatastrophe. Und dieser Kollaps hat dann zur Folge, dass ein Zusammenbruch der Zivilisation erfolgt, wodurch letzten Endes entweder die v�llige Ausrottung der Erdenmenschheit anstünde oder zumindest ein Rückfall in die h�rteste Primitivit�t. Auch ein Rücksturz in die vollendete primitive Anarchie ist m�glich, durch die für alle noch existierenden Lebensformen nur noch ein leidvolles Dahinvegetieren m�glich sein würde. Das Ganze aus dieser drohenden Sicht gesehen, bedeutet nicht mehr und nicht weniger, dass die Erdenmenschheit durch eine Globalkatastrophe alle ihre wertvollen Errungenschaften einbüsst, und zwar nur darum, weil in bezug auf wahre Liebe, Freiheit, Harmonie und wirklichen Frieden unter allen Lebensformen eine jahrtausendelange Fehlentwicklung stattgefunden hat. Und tats�chlich ist in der heutigen Zeit eine solche Apokalypse drohend am erdenmenschlichen Schicksalshimmel zu sehen, denn schon vor langer Zeit wurde weltweit die blühende Kultur der Wahrheit vernichtet und an ihre Stelle das B�se, die Gewalt und alle Ausartung gesetzt, was insbesondere durch die Machenschaften der Politik, durch falsche Gesetzgebungen, falsche Strafordnungen und durch die Religionen und Sekten geschehen ist."

(*ii) "The creational-natural laws and recommendations are written in the �Goblet of the Truth� and in the �spiritual teaching�, which is the �teaching of the truth�, the �teaching of the spirit�, the �teaching of the life�, which it is of vital importance to follow. However, if you human beings continue to fail to follow the creational laws and recommendations, evil and catastrophes of all kinds which have existed all over Earth for a long time will increase in future into much more evil excrescences. And if you do not change to the better, good and best, all evil over the world will take a much worse form than it has done for decades and also does at present; and the coming events will be such as the world has never experienced up to the current time, nor lived, nor seen."

"Die sch�pferisch-natürlichen Gesetze und Gebote sind geschrieben im �Kelch der Wahrheit� und in der �Geisteslehre�, die da ist die �Lehre der Wahrheit�, �Lehre des Geistes�, �Lehre des Lebens�, deren Befolgung von lebensnotwendiger Wichtigkeit ist. Folgt ihr Menschen jedoch weiterhin nicht den sch�pferischen Gesetzm�ssigkeiten und Geboten, dann steigern sich künftig die schon seit geraumer Zeit und auch gegenw�rtig auf der ganzen Erde in Erscheinung tretenden �bel und Katastrophen aller Art zu noch viel b�sartigeren Auswüchsen. Und wandelt ihr euch nicht zum Besseren, Guten und Besten, dann ergeben sich weltumfassend alle �bel sehr viel schlim m er, als diese seit Jahrzehnten und auch gegenw�rtig in Erscheinung treten; und die kommenden Geschehen werden so sein, wie sie auf der Welt bis zur heutigen Zeit noch niemals erfahren, erlebt und gesehen worden sind."
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Negative effects from negative causes being so bad that they have never been lived, or seen, could be completely awful, and I hope you living abroad will take my words to your heart and mind, because although I live in the United States, I desperately want a good future for the entirety of the planet Earth, not just my present country (that will probably collapse within 4 short years).

Salome/Corey Müske

*i = "Goblet of the Truth" pages L-LIII

*ii = "Goblet of the Truth" pages LX-LXI

both passages = translated officially by FIGU Switzerland, copyright FIGU/BEAM, published in Canada by the FIGU-Landesgruppe Canada.

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