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    Cpl Member Post Number: 925 Registered: 08-2004 |
Corey, thank you for clarifying, or reminding, me that the OCCB is now the OCB. I did wonder which it was when writing. The words "overall" and "comprehensive" together form a tautology, so the OCB is obviously a better term. You also appear to have an excellent attitude, based on your thinking, towards the future. In the challenging future we face such an attitude will be a great asset to humanity. Hopefully, we can all be such an aid when necessary. Often it is when our backs are against the wall that we find our greatest strength. I am reminded of a comment in the movie "Cocoon" when the alien was asked what he found most interesting about humans on Earth he replied, "You are at your best when things are at their worst." Big challenges are never easy but they are big opportunities for further development. May we all rise to the challenges both now and ahead. Thanks for your encouragement, Corey. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 926 Registered: 08-2004 |
Corey, in answer to your question: Perhaps you are thinking of the consciousness-block that will impulse your personality in the realm of this world (Diesseits), or have you read something that the OCB incarnates into the realm of this world? I guess I did not express myself clearly. I was thinking the former, though I do realize that it is more the individual that accesses and makes available these impulses. The OCB does not, to my understanding, actively send thoughts or any other information, but sits deeper than, or behind (for want of a better term), the psyche and is accessible by the personality. It is rather just consciousness waiting for our accessing or attunement with it, and it can influence, via impulses, our making of thoughts. The OCB, to my understanding of Billy's writings, does not incarnate into the personality. Billy has said that the spirit reincarnates while the OCB incarnates. I take this to mean that the OCB incarnates into our world but not into our personality. Do correct me if I am wrong here or have misunderstood something. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 238 Registered: 10-2016 |
CPL (Chris), I don't know much beyond of what I wrote about the OCB in my post #231, and I never thought about it they way you wrote your post #926. About the only thing I would add is The Gemüt sends impulses like love, peace etc. into the material realm, i.e. via subconsciousness into the psyche and from there into the thoughts and feelings. :-) Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 286 Registered: 05-2004 |
Rarena, Your post is incorrect on three accounts: Billy’s spirit-form did not say: “Before attempting to remove the splinter from my eye...” And neither is that quote associated with Billy. Jmmanuel said it (not his spirit-form). We should not get the two personalities confused because they are linked by the same spirit-form. Also, the emphasis on BEAM. Do you really want that to be taken in the sense to remove BEAM from our lives? I know you didn’t mean it like that, but putting emphasis on the word and equating it to the acronym in context with how you paraphrased the quote kind of implies that. What’s more, the saying is asking us to judge carefully for fear of being judged with the same level of judgement and harshness, and to look to ourselves before trying to sort out other people’s lives. It does not mean we all evolve at different rates. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 927 Registered: 08-2004 |
Ok, Corey. Thanks. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 358 Registered: 02-2010 |
Joseph, when you read the GOT and The Might of the Thoughts ...you are able to formulate your thoughts to answer your own questions... please get a copy of the GOT and The Might of the Thoughts ...go outside in nature and read these books... you cannot take BEAM's words literally..... you have to contemplate, probe, analyze, your environment and your Thoughts in order to understand this material.... we are all completely different people with different learning styles and it's obvious based on your questions you're having difficulties formulating your thoughts around this material.... no offense.. I must have read the GOT... over and over again for years before I realize and notice my Thoughts were becoming Clear Logical Rational and Reasonable.... MsMichelle | ||
Hoota_thunk New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2017 |
Salome Corey, If I were to “chop out”  one verse from your suggested reading in your 228th post (GOT 25:193-25:210), it would be: 25:207) And consider what responsibility you bear with your thoughts and feelings, both with regard to yourselves and with regard to your fellow human beings, because your goods of thoughts and goods of feelings bring forth effects not merely in yourselves but also externally amongst your fellow human beings, which manifest themselves in acts and deeds, and indeed, as a rule, in a negative, bad, ungood and evil form, because your thoughts and feelings are to a large extent of such a constitution; and if your thoughts and feelings take effect on any of your fellow human beings and if they put your negative, evil, bad and ungood goods of thoughts and goods of feelings into action, then you bear the responsibility for this. -Goblet of the Truth. So, our thoughts and feelings effect ourselves and can effect others; and I think it's very important to point out that other's thoughts and feelings can effect us; even if it is the Seventh sense at work and not one of the "Five" senses. And in The Might of the Thoughts, 2nd Edition 2014 pg 4, BEAM writes: “That means that thoughts are certainly maintained in a positive form, but that negative inclusions must also be allowed in them, which are processed together with the positive, in a neutral-equalised form.” I think it's very important to point out that if negative thoughts are experienced, and we want to change our ways to neutral-equalised thinking, then positive inclusions must also be allowed in them. To which I wish to add something I got from Bill (Tat_tvam_asi; Post Number: 436 Saturday, October 08, 2016): 157. The equalisedness of the consciousness is also called <inner>, or the tranquillity of the consciousness, that is singly, entirely and fundamentally responsible that all idea formations come into being and pass away. 159. To acquire the consciousness-equalisedness and to develop inner tranquility and develop the inner life it is necessary to point out, in all explicitness and above all else, the fine-spiritual-perception of deference (honour, venerability, veneration, reverence) because only when the deference (honour, venerability, veneration, reverence) for all and everything and everyone is present in man – only then can also the equalisedness of the consciousness be found. - Genesis. And a few of my current favourites from Goblet of the Truth: Chapter 20 27) Truly, you shall not effectuate (create) the untruthful (false/negative) in any wise in yourselves and you shall not bring it into life (not live it out), rather you shall only make it imaginable (conceivable) through your insight (rationality) and true discernment (intellect), thoughts and feelings so that you may have insight (recognition) of all terrible things at their root, so that you may knowingly (consciously) turn yourselves away from them before they can become effective (active). 28) Therefore it is not given through the life-giving (creational) laws and recommendations that the untruthful (false/negative) shall be effectuated (created) in yourselves and serve as a cause for a decision (effect), because truthly it shall only serve as a source (means) of observation (imagination) for cognition and understanding (comprehension). (= The untruthfulnesses [the false/negative in any form] shall not be active and not become acute and therefore not break out, but be solely and exclusively created and become conscious in the imagination for the purpose of recognising (seeing) the false and the negative in it in order to take measures against it so that it cannot gain might over human beings and therefore cannot become active inwardly or outwards, and cannot come to an upsurge.) 29) If you are undisguised (truly open) in your world of thoughts then you would like nothing better than to avoid and remove (eradicate) everything that belongs to the extent (realm) of the untruthful (false/negative), however this may only be done in such a wise that all that is removed (eradicated) is what is really vigorous (active) and ausgeartet in the untruthful (false/negative) and is therefore lived; however the source (means) of viewing (imagining) for reaching the cognition of understanding (comprehending) may not be broken off (switched off), otherwise it will be (it will happen) that the internal whole (unity) of differentness (contrariness) will dissolve, by means of which people of your kind (human beings) will lose equality (identity). 30) Truly, this misinterpretation (misunderstanding) does produce (result in) very many difficulties in life (life problems) which you as people of your kind (human beings) experience as difficult hours, days and times, but which you can understand (comprehend) and experience quite differently if you make it clear to yourselves that you only then truly have a full life if you direct yourselves according to the life-giving (creational) laws and recommendations and therefore according to the truth and bring about (form) truthly love in yourselves so that you also find your equality (identity) and you form your own character and your all-of-yourself (personality). So, we have: Neutral - Positive & Negative Positive - creative, good, right, excellent Equalised - tranquility/deference (honour, venerability, veneration, reverence) for all and everything and everyone Hence, IMHO, we must learn to control our thinking (or think about our thinking) so that both the positive and negative come into being (add positive to negative and negative to positive), swing to the positive as the desired for “all and everything and everyone” and “consciously” (as opposed to unconsciously or unthinkingly) send our thoughts out in that form (a thought can come into being and pass away only once or many times, either continuously or sporadically), Smile, and observe ALL in our environment and find satisfaction in learning and evolution potential in all situations. True LOVE would include the knowing of and taking into account both the positive and negative. PS. My cognitions are still a work in progress considering my accrued knowledge, level of evolution and that BEAM's spirit-form is going to develop these concepts further in at least one future lifetime. - The Silent Revolution of Truth - | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 240 Registered: 10-2016 |
Salome Hoota-thunk. That was a perceptive post, your writing style is very familiar, is your first name Andrew? If not I apologize. Either way, I like the GOT verses that are your favorite, and what you gleaned from Genesis via Bill.. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 703 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hoota_thunk, Welcome to the forum, good post. It appears that you have a pretty good grasp on; "Neutral - Positive & Negative, Positive - creative, good, right, excellent Equalised - Tranquility / deference (honour, venerability, veneration, reverence) for all and everything and everyone". Yes, I as well am work in progress. Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Hoota_thunk New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2017 |
Salome Corey, Yes, my writing style has followed me. I found that I was upsetting some and being misunderstood, so I had a quick chat with my spirit-form and we're working on a new personality for me. Salome Kenneth, Thank you kindly. It's one thing for me to be able to understand these concepts and be able to write about them and it's another thing to be able to make them my standard operating procedure. Such excellent ideas, those ones of time and evolution! - The Silent Revolution of Truth - | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 632 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hoota Thunk Re: How do we make the mentioned spiritual concepts a part of our standard (thinking) procedure? The more we live with a universal consciousness, the more we develop with equanimity, free of hate and in universal oneness. One way to assist us may be to say one Billy’s “Mein Geist …” prayers*): By saying these prayers we identify with our spirit which is a part of the universal consciousness. By speaking it (in German) slowly several times in a row it slowly builds a relationship with viewing your thinking from the outside (similar to what you call “thinking about thinking …”). It may be different with others but it may worth a try. Salome, Bill *) I randomly selected the prayer spoken by the second-last Henok (Nokodemion’s 5 th prayer). http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/All_Seven_Forms_of_Prayer_by_Nokodemion There is one passage in Edgar Cayce's readings about Atlantis that may refer to a somewhat similar meditation practice: EC mentions a group meditation practice of the group of Atlantis people who followed the universal "Law of One". During this practice they - guided by the words of a spiritually highly developed person - concentrated their thoughts for the beneficial use of the "universal forces"... (Reading 2464-2) "There are few terms in the present that would indicate the state of consciousness (their "group mind" thus acquired) save that ... that they entered a 4th dimensional consciousness (= their consciousness was absent from their body)..." | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 360 Registered: 02-2010 |
Hooda thunk equals Andrew or Eddie? MsMichelle | ||
Hoota_thunk New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 06-2017 |
Salome Bill, That is an excellent idea, thank you! Corey gave me the same idea just over a week ago on MH's blog: "I have found the most resonance with the 3 prayers (Gebet) to my consciousness that trace back to the 2nd-to-last Henok, as well as, the last Henok. What I did was, attached 7 prayers to the back few pages of GOT, I had to reduce the size, but what I came up with is an assortment of prayers from “Einführung” (introduction to meditation), the 12 affirmations from the 2nd med book, some old-time Nokodemion prayers, and the 3 new-time Henok prayers. Now I have a variety to choose from that I am very fond of, I can spice it up, limiting myself to 2-4 prayers daily." https://theyflyblog.com/2015/03/24/the-spiritual-teaching-the-reason-for-the-billy-meier-ufo-contacts/comment-page-3/#comment-176645 It seems to me that you two are in cahoots, which brings me much joy and advances my knowledge and understanding, exponentially!  You got me trying to think how religious-deluded Beings might think and I'm guessing that they must think that even their own thinking is out of their control or must be a certain way as ordered by, "The Man in the Sky" or "The Demon which provides large bank balances" and will deliver an eternity of "wealth" just for them if they do the Almighty one's bidding, hence they're not responsible for their own thinking, so forget about deference and self-responsibility when it comes to feelings and actions. Which brings me to the children of the future when they are brought up in an environment of the truth, deference and equalisedness, which conduces positive progress, one will know where their own impulses actually come from and get positive feelings which bring about positive actions. Better days lay ahead when the Spiritual Leaders are allowed their rightful place with the protection of the multinational peacekeeping troop, and there is banishment for our planet’s criminals!!! - The Silent Revolution of Truth - | ||
Hoota_thunk Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 06-2017 |
Salome Michelle, At the risk of sounding like my "old" personality, what are you implying about Eddie? (I'm only kidding,  ) To save the moderators time I will admonish myself and will strive to stay on topic, from here on out! - The Silent Revolution of Truth - | ||
Alice_7 New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2017 |
Hi All quick introduction to me! I love the teaching of the Life the teaching of the Spirit and the teaching of the Truth. I am on here to learn as much as I can and to offer what I can. I enjoy reading the Goblet of the Truth! there are concepts phrases and words in this book that will take me the rest of my life to study, understand, engage with and ponder and this here English online figu forum is the best place for me to be able to do this right now by engaging with others that are like minded and striving ! My background is that I have been reading the English forums for a few months and decided that I'd like to contribute a bit more..  I am most interested in the thinking and thoughts, spirit teaching in everyday life and anything that can help me and others to contextualise , implement in their daily life and otherwise cope with living in the real world external world while studying the teaching and having their internal world expanding , flourishing and going beyond the limits that most others are not yet quite used to. I hope to have some interesting conversations here with you friendly folk and learn something along the way. My favourite Goblet verse for now is from Ab21, 18 which is: Indeed, your life is exciting and instructive in every wise - it only needs to be understood. the German for that is: Tatsächlich ist euer Leben in jeder Beziehung äusserst spannend und lehrreich - es muss nur erfast werden. The reason I left the word extreme out of the translation is very complexed. My next favourite sentence is from chapter 1 verse 1 but I will leave that for my next post. Peace and Salome to all. | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 379 Registered: 02-2010 |
Welcome to the jungle Alice We all look forward to your posts MsMichelle | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 814 Registered: 08-2010 |
Alice_7 Welcome to the forum. Looking forward to your posts. Salome Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Alice_7 New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2017 |
Hi Michelle, thanks for the reply, yes navigating this jungle alone can be quite a daunting task, it is full of pitfalls and dangers that I seriously hadn't considered properly before diving in (story of my life) but we are the ones embarking on this individual internal journey through the jungles, labyrinths and baron deserts and vastness of space and time that make up this existence in this life.. so a smooth journey is the least to be expected but as I have discovered what to me feels like magic powers within the coded words of BEAM, its just too good to keep to ALL to myself ... I do need help with understanding or mostly just want to gush about what I read because the force of creative power that comes along with turning ones life towards the truth - its like being in a fast flowing river and struggling to keep my head above water. | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 200 Registered: 01-2011 |
For fear of being off subject... Msmichelle you have brought into this forum a lot of fresh air, along with you alice and the other females in this group. It pleases me greatly! bronzedesk (Mat) And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time. ~ T. S. Eliot | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 380 Registered: 02-2010 |
I would check out the Spiritual Terminology section....it is packed with valuable knowledge...which will help navigate the jungle Thanks Mat MsMichelle | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 512 Registered: 07-2006 |
Alice_7 Welcome to the forum. RE: Where to start... Please review the following previous post: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/1139.html?1491193179#POST81344 Hope this helps. Salome PatM | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 804 Registered: 06-2006 |
Please return to the topic here 'Thinking and Thoughts'. Thank you Salome Robyn Denken Sie für sich selbst! | ||
Tyler Member Post Number: 122 Registered: 03-2017 |
That's funny, do you also know that verse by heart now? I learned it by heart, 1:1 from the Goblet of the Truth that is. Hi also I want to learn about how to implement my new personal self-discoveries into my day-to-day existence too. Want to share an explanation about each others' challenge in the topic 'Spiritual Life in Everyday Life', Alice? I only have 'The Psyche', 'The Goblet of the Truth', and 'Der rosarote Kristall' to learn and study from, but maybe I can help you, and maybe you can help me. We can help each other. |
