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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 545
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2017 - 03:31 am: | 
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Salome Corey,
In addition to the Q & A relating to re-incarnation you may want to add some excerpts from the book "Genesis" *) regarding the question whether the “interactions between humans” do have an effect on later incarnations.
In this book Petale states that there is indeed such an effect in the case of Gemüt-conditioned love.
Several samples of the present documentation seem to negate this, e.g.:
Q: Is it possible that some who were in "true
love" relationships in past lives have been or will be reunited in this life after a promise was made to do
so, thus bringing about a special kind of certainty in love?
A:
Since there is always a new personality in each existence/incarnation (no exceptions!), it is not possible
that two persons can promise to meet each other again in a next existence to continue with a “true love”.
There is no pre-determination (Vorbestimmung).
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Q:
…if over the course of many incarnations, two spirits incarnate into bodies and these 2 people meet one
another and say for example, one life they are brother and sister, another life they are lovers, another
they are friends, in another they are mother and daughter etc.
is there some kind of bond or love that grows stronger where perhaps the two spirits are more or less
determined to always come together. and that, perhaps at a certain point when these two are able to recall the past incarnations or view future ones, that these individuals would make the concious effort to reunite again and again?
A
Since personalities (= that which makes a person and individual with a certain name and thinking etc.) do
never incarnate again, but are dissolved after death, it is not relevant whether two spirit forms (or rather
the connected personalities) have been in some interaction in former existences. Relationships, marriages and parent-child relations in this life are entirely non-relevant in future lives because each life has to deal with new people, relationships and circumstances ...
Salome,
Bill
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In the book ‘Genesis” Petale mentions the following (pages : 134 – 135)
(Chapter 14. Gemüt-conditional Love)
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139. The connection with a fellow human being due to the swinging wave of the gemüt-conditional love, will at all times be apparent to your conscience in a helpful way, so you [will] feel an invigorating unity in yourself and are able to free up tremendous strengths and efforts.
140. It is the characteristic of the gemüt-conditional love [Love out of the fine-spiritual perception], that it creates the perception of a continuous affinity with the fellow human, in a spiritual as well as physical and psychological form.
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143. The generation of a gemüt-conditional love only ensues through the equalisedness of the feeling based thinking.
144. Therefore it can only be generated, when feelings and thoughts conform harmoniously in equalisedness and neither accommodate an Ausartung in the negative nor in the positive.
145. But through this equalisedness the Gemüt is able to create the factor love, which then manifests through the said swinging waves and the fine-spiritual perceptions [in] spiritual, psychological and physical affinity.
146. For absolutely true and honest love the implementation [realization] force of the Gemüt is responsible, only out of the Gemüt something permanent can attain creation.
147. This means that a gemüt-conditional love (Love out of the fine-spiritual perception), is true and indestructible and changeless for all-time; this is in contrast to the mere thoughts - feelings based love, which is only made up of thoughts and feelings and seeing and hearing, body feelings, sexual desires and many similar or same things and from purely material factors composed, like physical appearance, body movements, way of speaking, money, profession, image etc.
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152. So if you perceive - in a fine-fluidal wise - gemüt-conditional love for a fellow human, then this [love] lasts indefinitely [long] beyond your lifetime into all- great-timeliness.
153. So therefore if the one or the other departs from this world the swinging waves will be preserved unendingly and penetrate through from this world to the beyond and returns from the beyond to this mortal world, and this is indeed in such a way, because the love-swinging-wave is deposited in the storage-banks of the overall-consciousness-block, it survives there and is again given to the new personality.
154. Thus your once created true love remains in place throughout all your new births into new personalities, so that you bear within you the same fine-spiritual-based love for those human beings, whom you were [once] fond of in true love, even though they are no longer married to you and you know them in their new personality in their new life only as friends, children, relatives, acquaintances, mother or father, brother or sister, but not as a marriage partner.
155. This gemüt-conditional love (Love out of the fine-spiritual perception) becomes apparent to you in your re-incarnations into new personalities by perceiving in a fine fluidal wise sympathy for these human beings and that you are connected to them by a swinging-wave of gemüt-conditional love-.
German Original:
(Kapitel 14. Geütsbedingte Liebe ….)
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139. Das Verbundensein mit einem Mitmenschen durch die Schwingung der gemütsbedingten Liebe wird dir stets hilfreich im Bewusstsein klar, so du eine stärkende Einheit in dir fühlst und grösste Kräfte und Anstrengungen freizumachen imstande bist.
140. Es ist die Eigenart der gemütsbedingten Liebe (Empfindungsliebe), dass sie eine stetige Einheit mit dem Mitmenschen spürbar sein lässt, in geistiger wie auch in physischer und psychischer Form.
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143. Die Erzeugung einer gemütsbedingten Liebe erfolgt erst durch die Ausgeglichenheit der Gefühlsdenken.
144. Also kann sie erst erzeugt werden, wenn Gefühle und Gedanken harmonisch in Ausgeglichenheit übereinstimmen und weder einer Ausartung im Negativen noch im Positiven Platz bieten.
145. Durch diese Ausgeglichenheit aber vermag sich im Gemüt der Faktor Liebe zu bilden, der sich dann offenbart durch die besagten Schwingungen und Empfindungen geistiger, psychischer und physischer Verbundenheit.
146. Für absolut wahrliche und ehrliche Liebe ist als Verwirklichungskraft das Gemüt zuständig, aus dem allein etwas Beständiges zur Kreation gelangen kann.
147. Also bedeutet eine gemütsbedingte Liebe (Empfindungsliebe), dass sie wahrlich ist und allzeitlich unzerstörbar und unwandelbar; dies im Gegensatz zur reinen Gedanken-Gefühlsliebe, die sich nur aus Gedanken und Gefühlen sowie dem Sehen und Hören, dem Körperbefühlen, dem Sexuellen und vielen Dingen ähnlicher oder gleicher und aus rein materiellen Faktoren zusammensetzt, wie Aussehen, Körperbewegungen, Sprache, Geld, Beruf, Image usw.
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152. So du gemütsbedingte Liebe empfindest für einen Mitmenschen, dauert diese an unbeschränkt über deine Lebenszeit hinaus in alle Grosszeitlichkeit.
153. So also das eine oder andere dahinscheidet von dieser Welt, bleibt die Schwingung beständig erhalten und dringt hindurch vom Diesseits zum Jenseits und wieder vom Jenseits zum Diesseits, und zwar in der Weise dessen, weil die Liebeschwingung sich in die Speicherbänkr des Gesamtbewusstseinblocks ablagert, dort erhalten bleibt und der neuen Persönlichkeit wieder mitgegeben wird.
154. So also bleibt deine einmal erschaffene wahrliche Liebe allgrosszeitlich über alle deine neuen Geburten als neue Persönlichkeiten hinweg bestehen, so du nach deiner neuen Geburt als neue Persönlichkeit dieselbe empfindungsmässige Liebe für jene Menschen in dir trägst, denen du in wahrer Liebe zugetan warst, auch wenn sie dir nicht mehr ehelich angetraut sind und du sie als neue Persönlichkeit im neuen Leben nur als Freunde, Kinder, Verwandte, Bekannte, Mutter oder Vater, Bruder oder Schwester, jedoch nicht als Ehepartner kennst.
155. Es wird dir diese gemütsbedingte Liebe (Empfindungsliebe) in deinen Wiederleben als neue Persönlichkeiten dadurch offenbar, dass du für diese Menschen Sympathie empfindest und ihnen zugetan bist in gemütsbedingter Liebeschwingung. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 733
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2017 - 08:51 am: |
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I do not see any contradiction between Billy and the Petale.
The "true love" being spoken about is not the same as we feel when we are in love with a partner, or the love we feel for our children, parents, grand-parents, etc.
This is why the Petale explain that this "true-love" stays with us for all Great-Times.
This "true-love" is based on the cognition of one's relationship with all of Creation.
143. The generation of a gemüt-conditional love only ensues through the equalisedness of the feeling based thinking.
144. Therefore it can only be generated, when feelings and thoughts conform harmoniously in equalisedness and neither accommodate an Ausartung in the negative nor in the positive.
145. But through this equalisedness the Gemüt is able to create the factor love, which then manifests through the said swinging waves and the fine-spiritual perceptions [in] spiritual, psychological and physical affinity.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Corey
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Post Number: 63
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| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2017 - 05:41 pm: |
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This is a good conversation that gives me a lot to think about. Thank you Bill and Eddie. 
Salome/Corey Müske
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Eddieamartin
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| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2017 - 08:58 pm: |
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Please be aware that the fallacy is in the questions themselves. The questions themselves are illogical and cannot (do not) paint any semblance of reality.
Carefully compare the questions to the explanations by Petale below.
154. Thus your once created true love remains in place throughout all your new births into new personalities, so that you bear within you the same fine-spiritual-based love for those human beings, whom you were [once] fond of in true love, even though they are no longer married to you and you know them in their new personality in their new life only as friends, children, relatives, acquaintances, mother or father, brother or sister, but not as a marriage partner.
155. This gemüt-conditional love (Love out of the fine-spiritual perception) becomes apparent to you in your re-incarnations into new personalities by perceiving in a fine fluidal wise sympathy for these human beings and that you are connected to them by a swinging-wave of gemüt-conditional love-.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 548
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2017 - 11:35 pm: |
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Salome Eddie,
“The "true love" being spoken about is not the same as we feel when we are in love with a partner, or the love we feel for our children, parents, grand-parents, etc.”
It may not be so but it should be so, Eddie.
The following additional segment from the book "Genesis" *) details that the Gemüt-conditioned love should be the basis of our relationships (marriages).
So we should feel it when loving our spouse.
Salome,
Bill
From the book “Genesis” (section “Gemüt-conditioned love”- page 135 )
(This is my translation – it may contain errors but it will give the right view)
148. But this thoughts-based love constitutes a work of human self-deception, because it is only a blend of self-deception, desires, cravings, greed and fantasies and of negligent and often even wanton self-destruction-fantasies, all generated by belief and ignorance, false doctrines and a way of life that completely contravenes the Laws of Nature.
149. Thus the Earth human mostly lives according to this false thought-feeling-based love, thus he will be hit by much harm and misery and thus their marriages do not last.
150. He is not taught about the recommendations for marriage and as well not knowledgeable, so that he can align himself to a given equalisedness and to create a truly gemüt-conditional love (Love out of the fine-spiritual perception] for himself.
151. Keep in mind, Earth human, when you perceive in yourself the gemüt-conditional love (Love out of the fine-spiritual perception), which is fundamentally necessary for a true marriage, then you can truly recognise this from the said values and it will be yours, indestructible and unchanging [even] beyond death.
152. So if you perceive - in a fine-fluidal wise - gemüt-conditional love for a fellow human, then this [love] lasts indefinitely [long] beyond your lifetime into all- great-timeliness.
German Original
148. Diese Gedankenliebe aber ist ein Werk des menschlichen Selbstbetruges, da sie sich nur aus Selbsttäuschungen, Wünschen, Gelüsten, Gier und Phantasien und aus fahrlässigen und oft gar mutwilligen Selbstvernichtungswahngebilden zusammensetzt, alles erzeugte durch Glauben und Unwissen, Irrlehren und völlig naturgesetzwidrige Lebensweise.
149. Also lebt der Mensch der Erde grossheitlich nach dieser falschen Gedanken-Gefühlsliebe, so ihn viel Unheil trifft und Leid und so seine Ehen nicht beständig sind.
150. In bezug auf die Gebote zur Eheschliessung ist er nicht belehrt und auch nicht gelehrig, um sich nach einer gegebenen Ausgeglichenheit ausrichten zu können und um sich wahrlich eine gemütsbedingte Liebe (Empfindungsliebe) zu schaffen.
151. Beachte, Mensch der Erde, wenn du in dir die gemütsbedingte Liebe (Empfindungsliebe) spürst, die grundlegend erforderlich zur wahren Eheschliessung ist, dann wahrlich ist dir diese erkennbar nach besagten Werten und dir unzerstörbar und unabänderlich über den Tod hinaus.
152. So du gemütsbedingte Liebe empfindest für einen Mitmenschen, dauert diese an unbeschränkt über deine Lebenszeit hinaus in alle Grosszeitlichkeit. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 735
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2017 - 11:17 am: |
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Bill,
Thank you. I stand corrected. This has been particularly helpful to me and I want to thank you.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Hugo
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Post Number: 320
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2017 - 02:59 pm: |
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Tat_tvam_asi, a few times I thought how people on Erra are all like minded and thought it's probably the same with their personality too. I wondered how it must be easy for them to find a person to marry that they would be happy to spend the rest of their life with, unlike us.
I read in the notes that Quetzal's wives would be delighted if Semjase joined them too in their marrage but Semjase said Quetzal and her do not see eye to eye on many things, which is a little strange. But, if I recall correctly, Semjase has said something like she prefers to stay single for life after the death of her husband. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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| | Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2017 - 06:05 pm: |
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You are welcome, Eddie.
Salome,
Bill |
Quinn
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2017 - 07:48 pm: |
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Hi all, I am from China. I got to Billy's case in 2011 and started to study the teaching and translate contact reports from English to Chinese since then.
With all information I have read, I got a question regarding spirit form and reincarnation. Since Billy will not answer questions on forum for the moment, I will bring it up here and hope anyone please gives a try.
According to Billy, there are 129 billion spirit forms bound to Earth, and all of them have once incarnated, and all of them will reach to AA and higher level one day. The time needed for a spirit form from the beginning to the high council is roughly 40-60 million years(somewhere it said 60-80 million). And currently there is a population of almost 9 billion on our planet, which, the overpopulation, causes the shorter time for a spirit form staying in the beyond before its next personality.
Now comes the question. There are more than enough spirit forms here to go around. Why is there a rush for a spirit form to reincarnate in such a short time given more other spirit forms are standing by? The reason I could think of is that only those who have the similar level of evolution as present situation on Earth are selected to reincarnate, and those are so few, as a result, that they have to come back again in shorter time.
This does not satisfy me, however. Given 129 billion spirit forms(it is a huge number), if these so few qualified spirit forms only have the opportunity, then how about those other spirit forms, billions of others? Is it because they have either higher or lower evolution level so they are unable to be selected? Only as the time goes by, when the average evolution level changes for whatever reason, those other spirit forms matching the evolution level will gain the opportunity to be reincarnated, as I can assume. This should not be the reason otherwise Billy would have told us so before. The reason is overpopulation and it has nothing to do with the number of spirit forms. Yet, why hurry?
Thank you all. |
Corey
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2017 - 09:58 pm: |
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Hi Quinn,
Hello from the West, to the East~. I wish I could answer your well researched posted question a in more detail, then what I can actually try to answer. All I can offer to you as an answer just confirms what you already know, and that is on March 01, 2015 Billy said in the Q & A that most of the 129 thousand million spirit-forms are inactive. In all the German books I have ever read, Billy has never elaborated, nor has he ever offered an explanation on which of the 129 thousand million are able to be reborn, and which ones are inactive. All I can presume is in the long run future, once Earth settles other planets, our descendants will export some of the spirit-forms to colonies through human relocation (which would be slow-going). Once we validate the existence of reincarnation of the spirit-form through technology, I do not know if it will be possible through assistance from future-formed ET alliances to develop a way technologically to try and be able to export some of these spirit-forms to other planets (resettle them to new planetary storage-banks or ?), so they can become active, because 129 thousand million spirit-forms is a big problem for a planet that is at maximum only supposed to have 529 million living humans on it at one time.
Billy has stated 129 thousand million is too excessive, and is a direct result of our overpopulation catastrophe, but at least it is comforting to realize that all Earth's spirit-forms will also reach the Arahat Athersata pure-spirit level. Of course, if anything happens to the Earth, the spirit-forms will float through space, and find another planet with suitable consciousness-based evolutionary levels.
I don't know exactly why spirit-forms are reborn too early as a direct result of our overpopulation catastrophe, but if you have any questions on the negative effects of being reborn too early before the overall consciousness block has had a chance to fully program the new personality, and consciousness block, just let me know. I've tried to study up on the concerning matter.
If I were you, I would wait for some responses here on the forums, but also I would consider taking your question to the qualified core-group via email, for they will be able to answer more accurately then we all can. When the core-group responds to your question, write us a post on this forums with what their answer was, so we can all know as well. Cheers, and good luck to you finding an answer to your question.
info@figu.org
(PS: your welcome to download my free reincarnation research paper for use in China, as long as you agree to translate the paper verbatim, and also agree to translate to Chinese from any applicable German (so the original meaning is not changed), because there are 4 translated German OM verses, and scattered German vocabulary in Billy's answers throughout the paper. My reincarnation study guide/research paper can be found at the following link at Michael Horn's website: http://theyfly.com/sites/default/files/reincarnation.pdf)
Salome/Corey Müske
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Kenneth
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| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2017 - 12:12 am: |
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Corey,
Just a thought regarding Quinn's question. We know that Overpopulation is the cause of a shorter recycle time between incarnations. The more humans that you have on a planet, the more deaths and associated reincarnations, could it be that simple?
Planet overpopulation will not be controlled for us, we must learn to perform this population control ourselves. Aside from catastrophes through Mother Nature, wars etc., due to the cause and effect of overpopulation?
Kenneth |
Quinn
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| | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2017 - 11:28 pm: |
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Hi Corey, thank you for your response. Yes, writing to FIGU could be a better idea to seek the answer and I will certainly post here if there is any. Besides the answer itself, the course to finding out the answer is valuable as well, such as discussion here on the forum which, with more people¡¯s involvement and sharing, may lead to in-depth and insightful thinking to gain unexpected enlightenment. It is also part of the reason that I posted my question here which I have not done before.
We know all spirit forms will develop to the highest level and join Creation finally. But considering that number of 129 b, I cant help wondering how all those spirit forms will make it given an ideal number of population on Earth is 529m only. From this perspective, 40-60 m years is not long enough, not to mention Earth human civilization has experienced numerous repetitions (flourishing, perishing, flourishing again) since the first civilization appeared. It is not a coherent process. I have never doubted that we all will make it in distant future but just wonder how.
I have read your PDF on MH website. It is a great work and I appreciate it. I used to file up Q & A myself too and translate them into Chinese, but you did a better job to sort them up by this topic and I trust people find it very helpful.
Cheers. |
Quinn
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Hi Kenneth, I hope the reason is simple. If I stick to my previous speculation, I can try going further and making myself understood. Please correct me if my logic is wrong.
Scenario conditions: unchanged number of 9 b people on Earth, 100 years average lifespan in material life, 150 years duration in the beyond
There needs to be 3 times of 9b spirit forms to go around under such conditions at all times, which is 27 b, accounting for 20% of total spirit forms. How do we look at this percentage? It is not that big, isn¡¯t it? But it also means those 27 b spirit forms have the similar level of evolution otherwise they cant coexist on the same planet when reincarnated in different personalities. Considering the lengthy course and countless stages/levels of evolution for a spirit form before reaching high council, I find it questionable that there are 27 b spirit forms turning out to be at the similar level. In this case, 27 b becomes a huge number though. Sounds impossible. If this impossibility is real, it means there are fewer spirit forms than 27b, maybe much fewer, which, as a result, forces the same spirit form to come back in shorter time, which is what happening now on Earth. If the population is under a reasonable and balanced figure, the spirit forms will be able to take their time and go by the normal rule.
Could it be the actual reason behind overpopulation? I am not sure if it is a good scenario to demonstrate my guess, but hopefully I made my point clearly by this inverse method. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2017 - 04:58 pm: |
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Re. 129 b terrestrial spirit forms
Perhaps there are many presently dormant spirit forms?
This would make sense for certain groups of people for which our time is not the right time to reincarnate or others which were ordained to be dormant for a long stretch of time.
E.g. Norm mentioned that, according to Billy, animal human hybrids would have human spirit forms.
According to Edgar Cayce there may have been many animal human hybrids in Atlantis.
Most, if not all, of them may have died out when Atlantis was destroyed.
But since 9498 BCE there was hardly or no chance to re-incarnate into a “similar situation”.
The same may have happened to the spirit forms of other human beings.
On the basis of this hypothesis the relatively short stay of present spirit forms in the beyond is as well quite explicable:
There are simply not enough other spirit forms available that fit the criteria to be incarnated in our time.
=> The no of spirit forms that fit the criteria for our time is a given.
=> But our world is overpopulating creating an increasing demand for spirit forms.
=> Hence the spirit forms of humans dying have an increasingly shorter stay in the beyond.
Salome,
Bill |
Quinn
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| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2017 - 07:24 pm: |
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Thanks Bill for your explanation. That is what I thought/guessed too. |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Concerning reincarnation it is stated: "For approximately every 100 years of life you live out on earth, the spiritform needs about 152 years in the beyond. As a result of overpopulation, a new consciousness and new personality can incarnate with the reincarnation of the spiritform a short time after death."
My question is: at what point in history would this have been effected? When did the world start to become so overpopulated that the spiritform's time in the beyond was shortened? |
Historeed
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| | Posted on Friday, March 10, 2017 - 05:50 am: |
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Joseph_emmanuel,
"When did the world start to become so overpopulated that the spiritform's time in the beyond was shortened?"
Once the population exceeded 529,000,000 we became overpopulated, according to the Plejaren. So, we've been overpopulated since at least the 1800's:
Matthew Reed
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Joseph_emmanuel
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So then are you saying that a person who lived to 58 years, for example, would not have spent 88 years in the beyond from 1800 onward?
I used the calculation that for approximately every 100 years of life you live out on earth, the spiritform needs about 152 years in the beyond. |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Going by these estimates, it looks like the world began to become overpopulated from the 1500s.
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Joseph_emmanuel
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A wild thought, and not necessarily a positive one, but if there is a world war or if by chance we avoid that and instead are hit by Apophis, that would reduce the population significantly, which would likely increase the spiritform's time in the Beyond. Yes?
So... ugly world situation created could or is likely to equal the passing of a century or close to it (maybe?) before being reincarnated into the world again, by which time, hopefully, the world wouldn't be so ugly. And even if it is still ugly, it's still a significant amount of time to pass (by Earthly standards).
While on the same subject, does a spiritform spend the same amount of time in the beyond (i.e. 1.52 x years lived) if a person commits suicide or is killed? Or is this dynamic effected (altered) by an unnatural death? |
Justsayno
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Don't worry Joseph, whenever you incarnate again it will be worse than what you left it.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Cpl
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Even if we experience both WW III and Apophis and they together cause the world population to decline by 2/3 we would still be grossly overpopulated with almost 3 billion people, meaning early reincarnations.
The Plejaren and Billy have said that our overpopulation will persist for a long time to come. It will obviously only exacerbate any other future problems future personalities may inherit.
Chris
Use to the full both the heart and head and never lose either.
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Joseph_emmanuel
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I did a search and found this information posted by Scott in 2008:
"No new spirits are being incarnated on this planet presently because the evolution is too high."
In regards to my question: When did the world start to become so overpopulated that the spiritform's time in the beyond was shortened? Let's say that our evolution became too high in the 1700s, during the Age of Enlightenment (1715-1789), which seems logical. The population of the world at that point, according to estimates, was 600-679 million; that's at least 71 million new spiritforms incarnated on Earth when the world was already considered overpopulated. Thus, going by this logic, the spiritform's time in the beyond was shortened from around 1700 when the world's population was about 600 million or more.
But the period I have given for the Age of Enlightenment is according to French historians. It seems misguided to suggest that our evolution became too high any earlier than that period, as I think of history before the Enlightenment as being dark and ignorant, but the scientific revolution lead up to and influenced the Enlightenment period in the 18th century, and the publication of Nicolaus Copernicus's On the Revolutions of the Heavenly Spheres is cited as marking the beginning of the scientific revolution, which was published in 1543.
When I look at the estimates, in 1543 the population is believed to have been around 425-540 million. This is much closer to the population count limit for the Earth as suggested by the Plejarens. So the 1500s could likely have been the time when our evolution became too high, when new spirits were no longer being incarnated, and when the length of time of a spiritform's stay in the beyond began to be shortened.
Very interesting!
What do you think? Opinions, please. Have I totally lost it or am I onto something? |
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