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    Corey Member Post Number: 352 Registered: 10-2016 |
Joseph_e: I can report many great, deep, and profound (life-altering) changes to myself from reading the encoded German FIGU books. I am willing to testify in a court of international law on behalf of the FIGU regarding these encodings that are meant for the entire human race if I have to. It is so critical for the entire human race that my suggestion is to make German one of 4 planetary languages (although people can still also keep their particular language dialect they were born into) to go along with the trilateral languages I listed the other day.~ As for books that are German encoded (official German contact reports not included) all of the encoded books have an identification-explanation of the code at the beginning of the book for verification purposes. Examples are: 1) Arahat Athersata 2) Talmund Jmmanuel 3) Dekalog/Dodekelog As for the "Goblet of the Truth" being encoded, my readings of this book have created the greatest very deep stirrings inside me of any FIGU book I have ever read in my life, I am convinced it has the most powerful German code of the whole collection. It is the most life-changing without any doubt. The English of Goblet also makes very deep stirrings to my consciousness and I know this is a direct result of the FIGU-Dictionary-made translations. All I know for sure is Billy and another Swiss woman I do not wish to name at this time worked very hard on the FIGU-Dictionary to make this translation the very best one possible to get the most adequate translated meanings to conjoin insurmountable differences in language (between German and English) so the English reader can understand the book from a very old spiritual teaching perspective. The "Goblet of the Truth" is the most greatest gift that Earth humanity could have ever received from Billy Meier and the FIGU, the ones that come after us will need to repay all their spirit=forms very serious favors in the future for this great gift that could change our entire planet's future to the good if it would be handled correctly for all of Earth humanity.~ If German is not your language, don't be afraid of the encoded German text, but we must make German a planetary language in the future because I think the better you understand the German text of GOT, the better (and more elaborate) of an encoded frequency you earn/receive by facing the truth of the text of GOT. It takes great courage to really face the truth of the text of GOT, and if you face it like a master of old, you will become a master of yourself. This is why I post about the book so much, because reading it has given me so much self-control (like a master of old) like a great "return" to me of some kind. One can only think and dream this book will accompany this planet until the time of the black sun, when the Earthers have long since departed to the high council and the Arahat Athersata levels.~ Sure I can feel the other German encodings somewhat when I read the other German FIGU books, but the Goblet German readings are unlike anything I have ever experienced in my 41 years of living this life-cycle, and I am open to testify in an international court of law on behalf of BEAM and the FIGU regarding the Goblet encodings, and I can honourably see why this book is also for banished criminals to complete their "rebalance" back to the good if this "rebalance" for him or her is still possible.~ Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Tyler Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 03-2017 |
That the Earth will return back to the creational life in about 800 years is a prediction, not a prophecy. And my experience is, we have to be well nourished enough to live in the truth. When we increase in vitality, then our leading thought is able to become active in us and is able to begin informing us when we are thinking and acting correctly or not. But to my knowledge and experience, just nourishing is not enough because we also need to read the spirit teaching texts and think about what we read, because then this will give our leading thought the "stuff" it needs in order to admonish us. So to my knowledge and experience, it is partly studying the teaching of the spirit, teaching of the truth, and teaching of the life, and partly working up the vitality of the body so that a self raising up into the consciousness of the deference is possible. And when the state of deference is obtained, then it means living in respect for the creational-natural laws and recommendations, and therefore means the beginning of evolving the consciousness by striving to heed the admonishment that stems from our own admonishment, but which also has to be guided by the wisdom of the <goblet> because at this time, us humans of Earth are too small in our knowledge to be able to fully take charge of our evolution on our own because we lack the ability to instruct ourselves in the effective recommendations and laws that are meant to govern our lives. | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 345 Registered: 05-2004 |
What are the laws of creation? Now I realise this may prove impossible to list completely, but it would be nice to have as many of them grouped together as can be done, seeing as we talk so much about them. Let's start with the basic laws, the foundational laws, such as: The law of causality (cause and effect) The law of rebirth (becoming and passing away) the law of reciprocation (giving and receiving) What else can anyone think of? Also while on the subject, can anyone give an example of the law of elimination? The link Msmichelle posted states the following: If a human being kills in Ausartung, thus according to his/her free will and without necessity, then all evolutive progress is eliminated, which he/she had made in the current life. That means that he/she is thrown back to the level which he/she had at birth, and therefore to the level before his/her education and therefore his/her actual evolution began. Therefore he/she must once more begin to build up everything anew at the level which he/she had when he/she came into the world I would like to see evidence of this law from a material perspective. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2748 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Joseph_emmanuel, You might read some of Phaethonsfire posts regarding the Kybalion, which could be considered Laws of Creation. (Message edited by scott on October 13, 2017) | ||
Carolyn Member Post Number: 51 Registered: 05-2017 |
Joseph_Emmanuel, this is what is meant by that condition of returning to the status you had at birth: that with the taking of another human life without reason, your life is forfeit as well, and on a spiritual level, you cease to exist. You return to the state of your birth into this life, before you existed. Your life is essentially done away with by yourself. A time for every purpose under heaven | ||
Tyler Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 03-2017 |
It means that the purpose of the human life is to create love in ourselves, and to grow in wisdom and knowledge, because that is what leads to the swinging waves of the mental block becoming finer and finer until they can one day complete their evolution. If a human kills in Ausartung, then it means destroying all of their own progress, because it means they destroy the love that they have built up in themselves. So the refinement of their swinging waves that they have achieved up until that point gets destroyed, and their swinging waves go back to being as coarse as they had when they were born. So then that means that they fall back down to the same level that they had when they started out in life, and have to rebuild love in themselves all over again and start from scratch. | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 346 Registered: 05-2004 |
Oh, yes! Well done, Scott, I forgot about that. As I recall, the Kybalion by the Three Initiates is considered to be fairly accurate. | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 347 Registered: 05-2004 |
Regarding the law of elimination, when I was a child I used to catch bees in a glass bottle and then hold the bottle over a small hole in the ground, which would be filled with petrol. When the bee landed in the hole I would then set it alight and watch it burn. I did this frequently. I stopped when one day I caught a butterfly and after setting it alight I heard it scream. I never did it again. But I wonder if the law of elimination would have taken effect in that instance? I've since come to respect all life, except for flies. I don't like flies. But I realise that life is a precious thing for all creatures and that no one has the right to take it away. | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 348 Registered: 05-2004 |
Ladies and gentleman Examples! Examples! Examples! Carolyn and Tyler, you have just repeated what is stated in the link posted by Msmichelle. If it is a law of Creation, then it is present in all of life. I don't see how one can revert back to the start of one's birth by killing in ausurtung. What happens to one for this to happen? If possible, give me an example of the law of elimination from nature. Or does this only concern humans because we have a conscious consciousness? | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 349 Registered: 05-2004 |
Carolyn Choose your words carefully. Think about what you say, don't just say it. One doesn't cease to exist spiritually. One reverts to the beginning of one's spiritual/conscious journey at the start of one's current life in the world. One does not cease to exist on a spiritual level. | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 350 Registered: 05-2004 |
I get that if one kills in ausartung, such an action would impact one's consciousness negatively to the point that it would undermine the progress one has made in one's life, but I'd like to understand more clearly why it would eliminate all of the progress one has made in one's life. How can one lose the insights, knowledge and wisdom one has gained? If one values freedom and peace, and knowledge and truth, only to then kill in ausartung, one would still value freedom and peace, and knowledge and truth, wouldn't one? What of all the soldiers that have fought in wars for their country? Did they all compromise themselves? I want to understand why all of the progress made is eliminated and not just some of it. | ||
Carolyn Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 05-2017 |
If a bee stings someone it dies. That's an example of the law of elimination. A time for every purpose under heaven | ||
Carolyn Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 05-2017 |
Carolyn doesn't need direction from Joseph on what she should say. Please don't try to direct peoples' thoughts. This is an example of a kind of coercive attitude that Carolyn has encountered throughout her life. People are very intolerant of Carolyn's viewpoints. A time for every purpose under heaven | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 781 Registered: 04-2013 |
Joseph, Carolyn and Tyler are very accurate in what they say. An example; many in the military are forced to kill another human being as many military personal are brainwashed to hate the supposed enemy, so when a human kills in Ausartung, even under orders from superiors; for many, the mental block and especially the psyche are affected as the refinement of their swinging waves must be started over again. This is why in many cases when service personal return home after killing another human being, their families see a change in them. The warrior has lost a certain aspect of loving; many service personal end up committing suicide; maybe because the loss of their own capability of love was lost or disoriented; especially the deep caring love of their own family is not the same. Having been in the military, this was observed many times. Today, the published numbers of military personal committing suicide is around 22 a day. As Carolyn and Tyler pointed out; “it means they destroy the love that they have built up in themselves.” Starting over again, and understanding what was lost is more than what many can handle. Kenneth | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 782 Registered: 04-2013 |
Joseph, Every human being is different; I wouldn’t say that everyone that kills another human being that “all of the progress made is eliminated”, there is a definite change in their personality due to the sudden change in their capacity of caring and love. The loss of this deep caring love leaves a void, many do not know how to repair that. It's very difficult comprehend unless you have been there; in other words, witnessing a person that has lost the caring love of humanity in general. Kenneth | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 528 Registered: 07-2006 |
There is a total misunderstanding of the Law of Elimination. The term 'elimination' is explained by Billy in the FIGU dictionary: from the FIGU Dictionary - http://dict.figu.org/node/2855 Elimination: According to Billy, elimination means as follows: (quote from contact xxx ) Elimination simply means, that something is superfluous, erroneous, insufficient or brings harm/damage, etc. and must be disabled, i.e. be eliminated/removed, whereby an elimination/removing means nothing other than a being separated, by which the fallible or ausgeartete human being is specifically treated and is cleared out of the way in a certain wise, which is known as separating from, discarding, excluding, shutting sb. off, sorting out, expelling, sifting out, deporting, extracting, treating separately, removing, isolating, treating isolatedly, neutralising, separating, segregating, chasing away, casting out and banishing. In no way does eliminating/elimination mean a killing. The law of elimination deals with an individual who has contravened/violated the creational-given laws and recommendations. This individual falls prey to the Law of Elimination which simply means they are subject to a "fulfillment of the guidelines, outcast and banished before the people (be excluded from society = segregation to a place of fulfillment of guidelines)". There is no such thing as "being reverted to a previous spiritual development level", "then all evolutive progress is eliminated", "that condition of returning to the status you had at birth", etc., these statements are totally false. Consciousness development can never be erased from the storage banks nor from subconscious memory as these are impulses (swinging-wave energy) that once created can never be erased. In accordance with the Law of Elimination (outcast to a place of fulfillment of the guidelines) an individual is given the opportunity to develop their consciousness (via their studying the creational laws and recommendations) and create in themselves through their newly gained perception, cognition, cognizance, understanding the ability to (through their thoughts, feelings and actions) now create the positive (good) swinging-wave energy that will neutralize the negative (bad) swinging-wave energy they created in the past which for them permits the possibility of further consciousness development in the current lifetime. The length of this being outcast to a place of fulfillment of the guidelines depends on how severly the laws and recommendations were contravened/violated. EXAMPLE: In the case of murder the duration is for a lifetime (remainder of the current life) with the exception of the occurance being in absolute self-defense. Hope this helps. Salome PatM | ||
Tyler Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 03-2017 |
I need to first find the relevant Goblet verse for my post, which will take some time today. Then I'll make my post after I've found it. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 822 Registered: 08-2010 |
To kill in ausartung (degeneration). Up until our birth, evolution of our consciousness had reached its pinnacle according to previous lives. Each birth is a brand new consciousness block for the purpose of continuing the progression in evolution of love, cognitions of what it means to be a true human being, the we-form and our connectedness to one another and Creation the Universal Consciousness. To kill in ausartung, the degeneration has already occurred. Killing any sense or cognitions of love and all its attributes. This person becomes vile, horrid, odious, disgusting and hateful. Luckily, the Creation has no vindictiveness in its laws but, solely evolution in its construct. If it were not so, many on this planet would have been decimated and their spiritform would have returned to energy and absorbed by the Creation; never to again reincarnate or experience any form conscious existence. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Tyler Member Post Number: 144 Registered: 03-2017 |
If someone kills in Ausartung, then it means that they gave themselves over to temptation, and so in that moment, they did not actually value freedom, love, and peace. So it destroys their progress, like how a boot in hatred tramples on a rose. And once you stomp on a rose, it is crushed so you cannot get it back - except to patiently grow a new one. It's "new" knowledge for me too, and something I also can take to heart now, as I learn it by explaining it. But that's how it is. | ||
Tyler Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 03-2017 |
To my understanding and experience, what gets kept even if we destroy our own progress is the basic skillfulness and capabilities discovered and developed in life. So for instance, useful knowledge about nutrition, or about the formation and maintenance of the psyche, as well as the practical knowledge of what the consciousness is and how the material consciousness is a growth factor for the development of love - these are a few examples of knowledge and insight that is retained, however the thing is that none of it gets kept when we die because it is all impermanent material knowledge that will have to be discovered and worked out again in the next incarnation. To my understanding, only the refinement of the swinging waves, the actual consciousness development of love and harmony, will survive through the dying and rebirthing, and will then create a new "starting point" for the next incarnated personality to begin building off from. In my own case, since I want to also share my own life experience, I have of course destroyed my own progress many times too. But if, say, I gave myself over to temptation the first time very easily because my body was wracked with pains, then the next time I have been able to apply knowledge about healing the body and strengthening the material consciousness, so that next time I strive to build up love in myself, it will not be destroyed on such a flighty destructive whim. So it may seem unfair that we could be made to start from scratch, however it is not really so bad, because we still will learn from the bad experiences and then know what to correct before we strike out again. In my case, one way is to heal my body and relieve it from pains, because when my body is free from pains then I maintain my kindheartedness. Whereas pains make me surly and easy to snap at others, and in worse cases can lead me to very badly getting out of control so that I even attack friends and family in a rage of confusion. So for my case, if I work on my body and bring about a stabilising effect in my material consciousness, I am certain that I greatly increase my own probability to make lasting progress. And also, if we do destroy our progress but can recognise what it was that caused us to become fallible and very badly out of control of the good human nature, it provides us with some direction in life because then we can know where to direct our energies daily so that next time there is an opportunity to evolve, we do not squander the chance. So we are able to destroy the actual evolutive progress, but to my understanding and experience, what remains behind is the worked out material knowledge and practical capabilities which ultimately will serve the upswing into the greater, creational life. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1338 Registered: 07-2009 |
Well, Carolyn, I think you should let Carolyn speak for herself and not put words in her mouth. | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 351 Registered: 05-2004 |
Sorry folks, I'm not convinced. It doesn't make sense that if one kills in ausartung all evolutive progress is eliminated which one made in one's current life, causing one to be thrown back to the level which one had at birth and therefore to the level before one's actual evolution in one's current life began. I just don't see it. The explanations given here haven't clarified anything. Let me give an example that I think might be representative of the law of elimination as presented so far on this forum: When one fails at an exam after studying a subject for two years, one would have to take it again if one hopes to succeed. This means that one would have to go over the subject's material again, forcing one to start at the beginning (kind of). But even in this situation, one's progress isn't eliminated entirely. In fact, one would know a fair bit about the subject one has studied and merely needs to polish up on some areas of knowledge. Now granted, taking an exam is not the same as killing in ausartung, but the logic is the same. When one kills in ausartung, one fails at one's life and has to start over. But starting over doesn't necessarily mean having to begin at square one. I can't think of where there might be an example of this in life, in nature, in the world. If one starts up a successful business that eventually resorts to corrupt relations that causes the business to close, although one would have to start again, one still has the knowleddge and experience on how to create a business. Again, resorting to corrupt business relations is not the same as killing in ausartung, but the logic is the same. This is what I mean by exaples. The law of elimination, according to the law of logic, has to be present in all of life. I'm not sure that I'm going to be able to fully understand and appreciate this particular law (if it has been presented correctly on this forum) because the plain fact is I have never killed in ausartung, so I can't put myself in someone ele's shoes who has killed in ausartung. And if I can't do that how can I have actual knowledge of the law of elimination without having experience of it, unless it is represented in other areas of life? Now... Patm. What you have posted interests me very much. Where everyone is saying one thing, you're saying something completely different. In fact, you're contradicting the article Killing in Ausartung and the Law of Elimination, and specifically the excerpt written by the Core group member Bernadette Brand, which states its validity has been confirmed by Billy. And yet what you have said makes more sense to me. But you have presented it as a man-made law rather than as a law of Creation. If the law of elimination is a law of Creation, then it would also affect us spiritually, not just materially, would it not? In which case, how would it affect us spiritually? If the law of elimination is a process of removing negative/degenerate thinking and behaviour, then perhaps it is more accurate to say that one's evolutive progress is not eliminated but merely interupted, and one must work to remove all negative/degenerative thinking and neutralize all negative swinging waves before one can resume in one's progress, which could take several life-times. Now that I can understand. That makes sense to me. There is logic in that. | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 846 Registered: 12-2011 |
Carolyn This is the law of stupidity . Why would the bee commit suicide in order to sting. Nature in this case has got it wrong. joe |
