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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 804
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2018 - 05:07 am: | 
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RE. “THE ENIGMA OF CREATION” …
When re-reading the beginning of Billy’s book “Genesis” I get the impression that the human understanding of reality is indeed, as long as we are a part of the material sphere, different to when we become a spiritual being:
IOW our present evolution and thinking is based on transient phenomena:
The material world consists of 3D objects that are in motion.
Their movement from one location to another we call time.
Thus we perceive causes and effects separated by more or less time.
But once we are spiritual beings our “time” based awareness of cause and effect may yield more and more into an understanding of (or a desire to understand) the oneness of all BEING.
This I would conclude from the passage in point 4 below which speaks of the AA beings (nearly perfect ones) “lecturing that THERE IS NO FIRST THING AND LAST THING besides the Creation Universal Consciousness and the primal flame… BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS BASED ON A SINGLE FORM …”…
So it seems that our material evolution and the questions we ask in this regard are, indeed, very different from the perception and questions we ask as spiritual beings.
This is, of course, my own interpretation.
Salome,
Bill
From Billy’s book Genesis (page 1)
(The following is my own translation and may contain errors)
4. Listen, human of the Earth, to your teachers of the truth, teachers of the spirit, teachers of the life, to the beings of the height, who are lecturing THERE IS NO FIRST THING AND LAST THING besides the Creation Universal Consciousness and the primal flame, from which it emerged and in which it will be one day; BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS BASED ON A SINGLE FORM, that emerged from the non-form.
5. Listen to what we (relatively) near-perfect ones have to lecture you about the seveness, that there is called Creation.
6. Respect the Creation Universal Consciousness emerged from the primal flame, respect the lecture on it, that has overcome the primordial and became the BEING.
German Original
4. Höre, Mensch der Erde, auf deine Lehrer der Wahrheit, Lehrer
des Geistes, Lehrer des Lebens, auf die Wesen der Höhe, die dich lehren, dass es weder Erstes noch Letztes gibt, ausser der Schöp-fung Universalbewusstsein und der Urflamme, aus der sie hervor-gegangen ist und in der sie dereinst sein wird; weil alles in einer einzigen Form beruht, die aus der Nichtform hervorgegangen
ist.
5. Höre, was wir, die (relativ) Nahevollkommenen, dir über die Siebenheit, die da ist genannt Schöpfung, zu belehren haben.
6. Achte der hervorgängigen Schöpfung Universalbewusstsein aus
der Urflamme, achte der Belehrung über sie, die überwunden hat das Ursprüngliche und geworden ist zum SEIN.
Dear Moderators - Please use this version insead of the one I just sent before - Thank you. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 881
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2018 - 09:33 am: |
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Great post Tat_tvam_asi (#804)
I totally get what the AA are saying. In the Goblet of the Truth it says; "You cannot wave your hand from side to side without touching the Creation."
The Creation is about, and is, the reality that actually exists, with no room nor space for assumptions or belief, but only cognition from the recognition and the fathoming that brings about further and deeper expansion of recognition, love, harmony and the virtues, the character and evolution of the consciousness.
Our entire existence occurs within and not outside of a Creation, as we evolve so does the Creation and as the Creation evolves so do we and together we journey through all levels ...even beyond the Absolute Absolutum.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Hoota_thunk
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Post Number: 35
Registered: 07-2017
| | Posted on Friday, April 06, 2018 - 06:39 pm: |
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Thanks Bill,
Makes me think, sometimes, that all our questions will be answered one day, apparently, and what questions they are, indeed; imagine the questions that we will have when these aforementioned questions have been answered!
Andrew Grimshaw
- The Silent Revolution Of Truth -
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 805
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2018 - 11:13 pm: |
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Thank you Eddie and Andrew...
Very, very true, Eddie: I completely agree with what you said:
“Our entire existence occurs within and not outside of a Creation, as we evolve so does the Creation and as the Creation evolves so do we and together we journey through all levels ...even beyond the Absolute Absolutum”
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It may well give a hint re. Andrew's " questions when we solved the questions" of our(present/material) existence.
My folllowing mail contemplates a possible explanation ...
Bill |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 806
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, April 07, 2018 - 11:17 pm: |
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>>> THE ONENESS OF THE SEVENNESS <<<
A further hint re. the possible evolution of the human mind-set on its way to “spirituality”, i.e. on its path towards comprehending the oneness from which everything developed, may be found in the remarks about the Sevenness in Billy’s book Genesis *) - **)
It is interesting to note that the highest universe developed itself out of nothingness before creating the hierarchies of universes on lower levels. In the same way as our universe, which had its own evolution, created itself first before creating the material world. And so should the human being – which is a miniature of the whole.
And speaking about humans expressing more and more the oneness with the modus vivendi of all Creation:
We know that the word “Ple Jaren” stands for “Sevenness Law”.
We know as well (see pt. 124. from the Genesis excerpt below) that this “Sevenness Law” is indeed a oneness.
No wonder then that Edgar Cayce, in his account of Atlantis, calls the group of virtuous people that followed the laws of Creation, the “children of the law of one”…
Salome,
Bill
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The following is my own translation of a segment of page 32 / “Genesis” - it may contain errors
124. The sevenness however is the oneness of:
125. 1) Universal-BEING
126. 2) Universal-law
127. 3) Universal-Gemüt
128. 4) Universal-love
129. 5) Universal-power
130. 6) Universal-time
131. 7) Universal-creation
81. so that it slumberingly created the sevenness in itself.
82. And as the sevenness was born within it,
83. created in itself in own evolution and power,
German Original
124. Die Siebenheit aber ist die Einheit von:
125. 1) Universal-SEIN
126. 2) Universal-Gesetz
127. 3) Universal-Gemüt
128. 4) Universal-Liebe
129. 5) Universal-Kraft
130. 6) Universal-Zeit
131. 7) Universal-Kreation
81. so sie schlummernd die Siebenheit schuf in sich selbst.
82. Und da die Siebenheit war geboren in ihr,
83. kreiert in sich selbst in eigener Evolution und Kraft
**) See as well: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/2200/15614.html#POST84385 |
Jedaiah
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Post Number: 106
Registered: 09-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - 04:26 am: |
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Hello all,
We recently created this short video on the Theyfly channel about Creation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjxdxriLg6s
It is truly the most wonderful thing to think about.
Salome,
Jedi |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 808
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - 12:50 am: |
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Great video – thank you, Jedi.
Salome, Bill
My ally is the force and a powerful ally it is
Its energy surrounds us and binds us
Luminous beings are we - not this crude matter
You must feel the force around you
Here, between you, me the tree, the rock everywhere … |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 855
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2018 - 09:23 am: |
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Jedi,
Outstanding video and message about Creation.
Creation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjxdxriLg6s
Thank you
Kenneth |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 820
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, May 04, 2018 - 01:44 am: |
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The Swinging Wave of Creation is Love and Wisdom
Love and wisdom are one.
This oneness is expressed in Creation and all its laws which are, at the same time both, love and wisdom.
That is why we say where love rules, wisdom rules and where wisdom rules, love rules.
Thus, if we grow in love and wisdom our understanding and oneness with Creation grows, too.
And if our mind perceives only love and wisdom it is a “we” in oneness with the Spirit of Creation.
It is the peace we express with the word "Salome".
(Based on Semjase / CR 10) |
Corey
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Post Number: 428
Registered: 10-2016
| | Posted on Saturday, May 05, 2018 - 10:16 pm: |
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Salome Bill (Tat_tvam_asi),
Excellent analogy. What you stated really made me think about our wisdom and love our oneness with the Creation is growing alongside the other. Your absolutely right, the Creation is the highest possible might above oneself, the unsolveable mystery (the Creation). It is good to try and live in concordance with the laws and recommendations of the Creation for the most desireable and favourable outcome in one's life (based on cause and effect arcs).
I forget the OM canon that stated many (Earth) people wish to live a different life (because their current life is unfavourable), but hardly a few wish to live a life in concordance with the laws and recommendations of the Creation. This is just not something many think about, and as Billy says, what a man thinks, he becomes so this works both ways, either creational thinking, or the opposite of uncreational thinking.
Back to love and wisdom, when Billy describes the stored essences in the consciousness-block that one will still be able to access life to life in the new consciousness-block of the new personality through the subconsciousness, he usually stops at naming the 3 essences of love, knowledge and wisdom, and in doing so, I take it these are the most important 3 essences (qualities) to try and attain life to life, starting with the present lifetime.
===love===knowledge===wisdom===
Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural):
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27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen."
27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under."
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 821
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2018 - 02:59 am: |
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Salome Corey,
You emphasize a very important point:
“What a man thinks, he becomes …” (so it is important to make sure that our creational thinking becomes more and more dominant)
Yes, this perpetual self-analysis is very important.
We should constantly observe our thoughts and question whether they are in accord with the laws and recommendations of the Creation. By guiding our consciousness to follow the same principles on which our spirit is based we become conscious of our unity with Creation and all that exists and rise above the many limitations of the external-material world around us.
That is why Semjase (CR 10: 106) advises us to become a practical philosopher and mystic (= a human being that, in all his perceptions, is conscious of the oneness and connectedness of all existence).
If this view becomes a permanent feature of human thinking, mankind will view all other beings in unity, as an equal part of himself and Creation.*)
CR 10:142
“Man is not able to escape from this highest consciousness, because sooner or later he surrenders to this creative reality because it is the life is his life, the spirit of his spirt, the consciousness of his consciousness, the light of his light, the central thinking power of all life, the existence, which exceeds all human thinking by far, against which all power of human material-intellectual thinking sinks into absolute insignificance.” **)
Salome,
Bill
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In reverse – because no-one - no teacher, parent, politician, religious leader etc. – would dare to teach this unity we live in a world of separation and discord.
**) German Original
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_010
142. Der Mensch vermag diesem höchsten Bewusstsein nicht zu entrinnen. Denn früher oder später verfällt er dieser schöpferischen Wirklichkeit, weil sie das Leben seines Lebens ist, der Geist seines Geistes, das Bewusstsein seines Bewusstseins, das Licht seines Lichtes, die zentral Denkkraft allen Lebens, die Existenz, die alles menschliche Denken bei weitem überragt, der gegenüber all Kraft menschlich-materiell-intellektuellen Denkens in absolute Bedeutungslosigkeit versinkt. |
Anthcoss
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 04-2018
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 04:15 pm: |
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Hi Corey
"I take it these are the most important 3 essences (qualities) to try and attain life to life, starting with the present lifetime"
I would agree with this statement. There is no time like the present, and the "essences" you mention are the most necessary, among also learning what true freedom, peace, harmony, etc. means and applying these also. 
The harder we work in the present life to attain true knowledge and wisdom (learned from the Spiritual Teaching), the higher we develop our consciousness, which in turn sets us up in a better position for the next life (and so on). The opposite is of course the case if we choose to sit back on our patooties in this life like a bunch of lazy procrastinators - which will get us nowhere at all.
Salome
Anthea
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Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 203
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| | Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 10:26 am: |
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Dear Anthea, spot on!
Everything starts at home and should be put to practical use by eating sleeping and being the word. As they say... get your shit together first before you go out trying to change the world.
All by the knowing and being the word.
We all need a good overall perspective on life's true meaning by obtaining that truth through both pieces of knowledge of unconditional love and tough love both together as one!
Kudos and love to everyone!
Mat
bronzedesk
And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time.
~ T. S. Eliot
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Jedaiah
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Post Number: 107
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| | Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2018 - 04:21 pm: |
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Thank all of you for all that you've done. The wisdom you've passed on to my generation will forever be appreciated. We will take it and run and make a whole new chapter as we push forward.
Salome,
Jedi |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 433
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| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2018 - 07:31 am: |
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Do we know what the building blocks of life are: from Creation to the material universe to stars and planets to flora and fauna to human life? What are the components that make up all these things? |
Niko_sulonen
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Post Number: 17
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| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2018 - 01:49 pm: |
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Joseph_emmanueal,
Maybe you could study the basics of the science of physics as well as the quantum mechanics, they can really speak to you when you keep in mind the law of cause and effect. Sorry for the simple answer but that has been my experience so far.
I recognize my path, which is the truth and living in accordance with it. I carry out my mission for life and for the fulfillment of life. I abide by the creational laws and recommendations, which reign in me as true love and wisdom.
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 952
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| | Posted on Monday, December 03, 2018 - 10:51 am: |
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I would say it is the Law Of Love.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Niko_sulonen
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Post Number: 21
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| | Posted on Thursday, December 06, 2018 - 03:42 am: |
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During one of my contemplations I stumbled onto a couple of interesting questions. The line of questioning went like this; is it actually the consciousness of the human being itself which creates the outside world for the him/her? Our senses receive the various vibrational frequencies and radiating energies, which then enter our consciousness, which then in turn makes it possible for us to be aware of the outside world. But that comes from outside our consciousness; what about the thoughts and feelings and all the other forces of our consciousness, that originate from within? Where does our consciousness draw its power and energy from? One could argue that it is the food we eat and the water we drink that enables the consciousness to work as it does. But that then also raises a question; does the consciousness exist because there is food available, or is there food available because the consciousness exists? If it is the latter, then that would mean that consciousness isn't just a contained human experience, but rather is experienced by the whole of life, nature and cosmos and is steered by it; a universal consciousness one could say.
In my view it is this universal consciousness that gives life to the material world, gently humming in the background, yet existing in everything and everyone. It is the spiritual of the material, the anchor of life for every human being.
I recognize my path, which is the truth and living in accordance with it. I carry out my mission for life and for the fulfillment of life. I abide by the creational laws and recommendations, which reign in me as true love and wisdom.
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 895
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, December 10, 2018 - 04:12 am: |
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“The Universe is Merely An Idea …”
- Expressed as Fine-Fluidal and (Condensed) Coarse-Material Energy
Semjase (CR 8)
17.” Matter is the embodiment of an idea.
18. As energy matter it is fine-fluidal and as a mass it is just highly concentrated and condensed…
(Both forms can be created artificially but normally they are created by spiritual force which precedes the idea)
21. Creation is fundamentally responsible, an immense spiritual form, a factor which in turn embodies primal energy.
22. From it springs the idea.
23. The force of the spirit which in turn embodies energy, compresses and concentrates the idea then to fine-fluidal energy which is then condensed through a still higher concentration into coarse-substantial matter.”
Billy:
"Then, indeed, the whole universe with the whole shebang is merely an idea concentrated and compressed into fine fluidal and coarse substantial matter?"
Semjase
24. Certainly.”
German:
17. „Materie ist die Verkörperung einer Idee.“
18. „Als Energie ist Materie feinstofflich, und als Masse eben hochkonzentriert und verdichtet…
21. Grundlegend ist dafür die Schöpfung zuständig, eine ungeheure geistige Form, ein faktor, der wieederum urige Energie verkörpert.
22. Aus ihr entspringt die Idee.
23. Die Kraft des Geistes (die wiederum Energie verkörpert) verdichtet und konzentriert die Idee dann zur feinstofflichen Energie, die dann durch noch höhere Konzentration zum Grobstofflichen verdichtet wird, zur Materie.“
Billy:
„Dann ist tatsächlich das gesamte Universum mit allem Drum und Dran nur eine zur feinstofflichenn und grobstofflichen Energie verdichtete und konzentrierte Idee?“
Semjase
24. „Sicher.”
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http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_8
Semjase’s explanation reminds me somewhat of the “Ideas/Forms” in Plato’s ^) Dialogues ^^)
^) After Socrates’ death Plato studied for 13 years in Egypt under the Horite priest Senuphis:
We mentioned that (acc to Edgar Cayce) the Lib of Alexandria was founded by elites fleeing Atlantis before it was destroyed in 9498 BCE – leaving their knowledge for Earth humans that only the priests could study the scrolls: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/14199.html#POST76862
^^) Plato’s Dialogues were written as if to express the views of sculptor, turned philosopher, Socrates (who, like the biblical Jmmanuel, never wrote down any of his teachings) but some historians believe that some or many of these dialogues could as well have expressed Plato’s own ideas: Plato’s Theory of Forms/Ideas explains that the material world is not the real world but only an image / copy of it – the “archetypes” ^^^), the universals, the world of no change which can only be perceived by reason – as opposed to the delusive “material world of changes” being witnessed by the senses.
^^^) Similar to Swiss C.G. Jung’s analytical psychology |
Corey
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Post Number: 485
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - 03:28 am: |
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~It's so easy to forget the Creation
When we live our daily lives here on Earth, it is so easy to forget the Creation. Most of us that are urbanized don't sow the Earth to reap what we sow, we go to the grocery store to purchase our food. No creational thinking involved. We have our social interactions that do not bring up the Creation to think about, and most of us at work are far removed from the creational thinking, the natural law that governs the universe, our job is far from this.
So what do we do, we can go an entire day, or an entire week, or an entire month without thinking about the life source that created everything in the entire universe?
The great universal consciousness that governs with the law of seveness. The laws and recommendations of the Creation, are the laws to live by, even if society is not set up so you can "live out" those laws to the best of your ability.
What exactly are these laws, and how do we discover them, to know what laws are the best choice to live by?
Billy's books give one the laws and the recommendations of the Creation, the tools to put forward the best existence, to gain the most out of positive reaps of causal cause and effect.
When you circumvent these natural laws, or are in aversion to them, you will suffer negative reaps of causality.
And on Earth, it is so damn easy to forget about the Creation, because our society is not set-up for the recognition of the Creation.
But try to know some facts about the Creation, and think about these facts as you live your daily life, so you can open up a multi-lifetime journey back to the universal life source that made everything, to the Creation itself.
There are 7 levels to the Absolute Absolutum, with the Creation universal consciousness being the lowest level, and know the Absolute Absolutum came from the Absolute nothing. The Creation makes everything in existence and out in space, all the people, animals, flora and fauna, and all the planets and suns/moons everywhere by an idea that impulses out of itself, there are 7 belts to the material universe, and there were 7 prophets on Earth, the creational number #7 being the final prophet, who set down in writing the spiritual annals of all of the extensive spiritual teaching, for all times, and for an endless duration (until perhaps the next creational sleep cycle?) that will span an incredibly long period of time.
If you live by the "Goblet of the Truth" you will live the laws and the recommendations of the Creation.
  
Salome, Corey Müske. -"Kelch der Wahrheit"/"Goblet of the Truth"
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22:08: " Werdet ihr Menschen vom Unglück verfolgt und könnt ihr euer Leben nicht so harmonisch gestalten, wie ihr das gerne möchtet, dann vermögt ihr dies zu ändern, wenn ihr euch dem Einklang der kosmischen Ordnung und damit den schöpferischen Gesetzen und Geboten zuwendet und sie befolgt."
22:08: "If you human beings are pursued by the unfortune and are unable to form your lives as harmoniously as you would like, then you are able to change this if you turn to the consonance of the cosmic regulation and therefore to the creational laws and recommendations, and follow them."
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Piyali
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| | Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - 08:51 am: |
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Beautifully summarised and expressed Corey. Thank you and salome.
Salome
Piyali
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 953
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2019 - 08:58 am: |
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Salome Corey,
Thank you for your beautiful summary.
Reading your advice to turn to the "consonance of the cosmic regulation" made me ponder about ...
… THE WONDER OF OBSERVING THE ONENESS OF THE MICROCOSM AND THE MACROCOSM
If our scientists were taught to see nature in its oneness they may find many of their questions re. the yet undiscovered micro- and macrocosm answered by studying the world that is visible to them.
E.g. if we see the development of life on our planet from the very distant past to now – the evolution from one-cellular life (algae and microbes) to the first multicellular organisms to the many cell-structures and the harmony in which they work together in living beings we can see a creative logos at work just as Billy expressed it – a pulsating universe of coarse and fine fluidal matter which is but a creative idea that materialized.
We can see as well a recurring oneness underlying all beings in the universe. I.e. each living being is, in itself, a miniature universe in its structure and the forces that hold it together and the forces it exerts on the beings in its environment.
IOW – by studying their equivalent in the visible world, our scientists could draw conclusions on the forces, the “programming mechanism” and the forms of the inner world of atoms (e.g. in solving Quantum Physics).
Salome, Bill
NB
We could as well expand this thought to the "worlds beyond our universe":
Our universe is shaped as a double helix.
So is the DNA of each human body cell.
Body cells that together form our body and [should] work in perfect harmony with each other.
Could our universe then be a “cell-like” body in a much larger being - i.e. a “cell” that has a specific function in a much larger evolving multiverse - which, too, is an intelligently evolving living being? |
Corey
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Post Number: 485
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| | Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2019 - 02:46 pm: |
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Your welcome Piyali, Salome to you.
Salome, Corey Müske. -"Kelch der Wahrheit"/"Goblet of the Truth"
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22:08: " Werdet ihr Menschen vom Unglück verfolgt und könnt ihr euer Leben nicht so harmonisch gestalten, wie ihr das gerne möchtet, dann vermögt ihr dies zu ändern, wenn ihr euch dem Einklang der kosmischen Ordnung und damit den schöpferischen Gesetzen und Geboten zuwendet und sie befolgt."
22:08: "If you human beings are pursued by the unfortune and are unable to form your lives as harmoniously as you would like, then you are able to change this if you turn to the consonance of the cosmic regulation and therefore to the creational laws and recommendations, and follow them."
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