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    Kenneth Member Post Number: 764 Registered: 04-2013 |
Bill, Excellent information and research into this data. I could be mistaken; when I first read this material, did not think that it was androids, but actual humans from different star systems? Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 677 Registered: 04-2011 |
Re: Ptaah may refer to an actual race (MH) Could well be that the Zeti Reiculi race will - at the given time - send humanoids to our planet. I could quite well interpret Quetzal's "...will give up their anonymity ... " to include as well a change from (perhaps remote controlled) androids to (actual biological beings =) humanoids. But as the ones that give up their anonymity were and are in our skies - I would think it should be from the same race that crash landed in Roswell - whether they are androids or humanoids openly expressing their Zeti Reticuli origin. Bill | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 678 Registered: 04-2011 |
Thank you, Kenneth. Re. Why the alien ETs may be from Zeti Reticuli The Roswell crash is a fact. Quetzal confirms that they were androids from the Zeti Reticuli star system thus confirming that in the past these alien ETs flew to our planet. I would not think they stopped their surveillance because they lost a saucer. On the contrary – they may have an even greater interest to watch us ("aggressive gene – people") even more. (Ptaah mentions that the alien ETs study our MSM (radio/TV etc) news.) Ptaah mentions as well that the "alien ETs" have no aggressive intent. Neither the downing of one of their saucers, nor our killing of their androids, nor the fact that we did re-engineer some of their techniques (P. Corso's book "The Day After Roswell") has made the Zeti Reticuli people attack us. Thus we may assume they are not aggressive. Quetzal tells us that their directives forbid them to have deliberate physical or telepathic contact with them and that they have no spiritual but worldly goals. This very much matches with what Ptaah mentions re. the alien ETs. Salome, Bill | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2744 Registered: 12-1999 |
Back on topic please | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 766 Registered: 04-2013 |
Okay, so in the theory of time travel; it appears that humans in general do not have to be spiritually advanced to develop enhanced high technology. As I understand it, the extraterrestrials from Zeti Reticuli are in a different space-time shifted dimension, obviously they have perfected time travel, to some degree. It has also been mentioning that these humans are not as spiritually advanced as the Plejaren, yet the Reticuli still worked through their theory of time travel to find their way to Earth and presumably other worlds. We Earthlings; or I should say, the black operations (deep state) of the United States, Canada, England, Russia and maybe France, are also working very hard to figure out the theory of time travel. It’s also been said that the Federation “will not allow” Earthlings to spread their aggression and religion into the far reaches of the universe and other worlds; that’s a good thing. It appears that time travel and null time travel are very closely related; pretty much the same thing? I was under the mistaken impression that humans had to be spiritually advanced to some degree to prefect the “theory of time travel” aka null time, (space and time collapse within themselves and become uni-directional)? This essentially means that one could travel million of light years with very little time loss. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_001 This is called time travel “theory” for a very specific reason. Keep in mind that electricity that we Earthlings have been using since the 1800’s is still an “Electrical Theory”. Why; because even today we are discovering new findings and innovations with electricity. The same would have to apply with the “theory of time travel”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_electromagnetic_theory Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 679 Registered: 04-2011 |
Dear Moderators, This is a reply to Kenneth’s mail in this (Time Travel) section. It mentions this aspect but it discusses as well what Quetzal tells us about the Roswell androids and the people from Zeti Reticuli – so perhaps it should be under “CR Reports”? If so – kindly relocate it. Thank you, Bill Hi Kenneth, In my view the aliens (Zeti Reticulum androids visiting our planet) are not the “Erdzukünftige” of which Ptaah and Billy speak. They are future incarnations of people like me and you flying back to our planet. And people of the “blue race” (Agartha) of our present time whose space craft have a very similar technique to the one that our space craft will develop into in the future. As Ptaah and Billy do not call the aliens “Erdzukünftige” they may be visiting our planet without flying into the past. But as you say this does not express that they are incapable of doing so: One would think that their being able to do a hyperjump (= dematerialize and rematerialize in different space co-ordinates) may as well allow them to do a similar jump in time. Like you, I , too, was very surprised when I first read that they are “arranged into a high and liberal culture with expressed human rights” and could reach distant parts of our universe despite being “very unknowing in terms of really spiritual and creative interests”. But from Q. we know (CR 215): The high standard of the ZR androids by far surpasses the gene manipulations of the Sirian creator overlords: - ZR androids have an artificial consciousness without a personality but they can independently think, invent, freely decide, act and develop - they have a collective form of telepathic consciousness - they are animated by cosmic energy (a point that our scientists and doctors and surgeons examining the androids were never able to discover) But their artificial consciousness is as well programmed to follow an authoritative routine so that they will never rise over their creators: They carry out loyally the commands of the real humans of Zeti Reticuli. This AI consciousness programming by far surpasses the “gene manipulated creations” of the Sirian creator overlords. One would think that the ZR's AI limitation was adopted as a world-wide standard that our scientists will adhere to as well. But with the current thinking and education in our world such co-operation may never eventuate: Is fear not what balances pride, i.e. do not our politicians and scientists fear (AI) because they educated their consciousness to develop on / feel strength out of a sentiment of pride? Yes, the ZR people may have - at one stage or another - to learn the Spirit Teaching to progress in their evolution. But seeing the selfishness/double standards which rule our world today I would think their “expressed human rights” by far surpass ours. Salome, Bill See 215:74 – 215:101 http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_215 | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 459 Registered: 04-2015 |
Kenneth, If I recall correctly it is not the Plejaren Federation that “will not allow” Earthlings to spread our aggression and religion into the far reaches of the universe/worlds but there are extraterrestrials out there that will not stand for it is what is Ptaah said. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 768 Registered: 04-2013 |
Bill, Very interesting, regarding time travel and UFO’s from the future; you said, “In my view the aliens (Zeti Reticulum androids visiting our planet) are not the “Erdzukünftige” of which Ptaah and Billy speak.” I agree; it’s my understanding that, “Erdzukünftige” basically means, “Earth’s future”. So we have UFO’s visiting us in current time from our future; which also brings to mind the “Crop Circles”, of which not too much was explained other than we present day Earthlings assume that this was done by Earthlings (UFO’s) from Earth’s future? https://theyflyblog.com/2014/02/05/whats-the-truth-about-crop-circles/ So, it appears that faster than light speed travel and traveling into the past could both be considered time travel? In other words; when the Zeti Reticulum beings travel to Earth at a null speed of a thousand or a million times faster than the speed of light, they would in essence, get to Earth before the event of them leaving their planets atmosphere 400,000,000 light years away, could actually be detected from Earth, if we had a telescope powerful enough? Here is another thought regarding the high standard of the Zeti Reticulum androids that traveled faster than the speed of light, aka maybe time traveled? The Zeti Reticulum beings are obviously much more intelligent than present day Earthlings; regardless of what some Earth scientists say. How do we really know that the 1947 crash of the ZR androids craft in Roswell New Mexico was really an accident? http://www.theyfly.com/Israeli_Intrigues.html Remember when the Plejaren (maybe Ptaah) let some of their androids be destroyed in an experiment with one of their spacecraft? (I Looked for this link, have not found it yet.) It does not seem to be beyond the realm of possibility that the Zeti Reticulum extraterrestrials were secretly helping Earthlings figure out how to develop advance technology? Even though these extraterrestrials are not advanced spiritually yet; they appear to be good guys, so to speak. In that endeavor, the loss of a ship with androids would not be an issue? Kenneth | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 681 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Kenneth, It is not mentioned in the CRs – it was only my assumption that the ZR spaceships would visit us via a hyperjump: How else would they travel the vast distance (39 light years)? Yet, even if they use hyperjumps for their space travel, they may not yet be able to do time travel. This I conclude from the fact that not all of the Plejaren spaceships were fitted for time travel but all were reaching our planet via space hyperjumps. But it seems that once you can do a hyper (space) jump you should be well on your way to develop a hyper (time) jump, out of it: Would a space traveller not come back (after a hyper (space) jump) to his home destination “relatively *) much younger” because so much more time passed on his home planet while he was away? I have not yet explored the mathematics re. the conversion of time and space (e.g. 4 dimensional Euclidean spacetime - Poincaré/Minkowski/Einstein etc.) to explain this mathematically in detail. **) Salome, Bill --------------------------------------------------- PS In view of Billy’s notes future time/space travel seems to be 1. Fly (via less than light speed) 151 million away from any celestial body 2. Take up speed – when you are close to the speed of light: a) set the (universal) space / time co-ordinates of your future destination b) hit the hyperjump button Effect: Without noticing you (and your spaceship) are de-materialized into energy, this energy bundle is delivered at your space : time destination point where it is re-materialized. As Billy mentioned – normally this all happens so fast that a human brain does not notice this process at all (the Plejaren can, however, prolong the “stay in hyperspace” which creates an incredibly beautiful sensation of universal oneness and love). ------------------------------------ *) = in comparison to the fellow humans on your home planet **) My explanation is more philosophical: Human thinking is still in the grip of a delusive greed for material possessions… an addiction that prevents it to see individual life as being a part of the universal “time and space” continuum… So I think it will be some time yet before humanity sees a different reality, sets more spiritual goals and/or detaches itself from its material "blinker vision". If it widens its spectrum it may be more willing to see “space-time” as a reality and include it into its perception of being. This will be the time when mathematics and physical/chemical laws will truly reflect this reality: “The view of space and time which I wish to lay before you have sprung from the soil of experimental physic, and therein lies their strength. They are radical. Henceforth space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve a independent reality.” Hermann Minkowski 1908 (German Mathematician and Professor at Königsberg, Zürich and Göttingen / his student: A. Einstein) | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 771 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hugo, Regarding … “not the Plejaren Federation that “will not allow” Earthlings to spread our aggression and religion into the far reaches of the universe/worlds but there are extraterrestrials…” You may be correct, do you have a reference for this? Preventing Earthlings from spreading aggression and religion can be performed by other means other than physical confrontation. For instance, when the Plejaren had their bases on Earth prior to 1995 and someone approached, these people were given a telepathic suggestion to turn away for one reason or another. It would appear that before Earthlings acquire true space travel faster than light speed; we will have no use for religion. Kenneth | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 357 Registered: 10-2016 |
Why wasn't there more warnings about the 3 groups, all I can find is a warning they treat the Psyche similar to us Earth humans? What do they want with us? Why are they working with time travellers if they are nefarious? The contact 688 states Earth's future ones may no longer be human and peaceful. It's hard to find optimism anymore. Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 833 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hey Corey, I looked for Contact Report 688 and it doesn't exist in the Future Of Mankind website. Is that a typo or would you be able to say where I can read about this. It is of special interest to me. Thanks. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 2759 Registered: 12-1999 |
Here it is Eddie :Contact 688 | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 696 Registered: 04-2011 |
Salome Corey, I, too, felt initially a little confused and worried. But Ptaah can only give very limited details about the UFOs circling our skies ... I would see 4 possible explanations: a) Maybe the Ps. have found out more details re the 3 “foreign to Earth” groups. Ptaah initially told Billy that they have no great interest studying them *). http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_532 (From the many incidents that these 3 groups created and create, the Plejaren concluded that their consciousness is not in agreement with the creational-natural laws and recommendations – mainly: The creational-natural laws/recommendations would demand the integrity / invulnerability of both, body and psyche, of humans, animals and creatures but, –just as terrestrial humans - they do not seem to take much care for these laws/ recommendations) b) Maybe androids are less caring about life than humanoids. Q. mentions that the ZR society is “- (though) still very unknowing in terms of really spiritual and creative interests - yet still arranged into a high and liberal culture with expressed human rights.” So I thought they would respect human rights. It would match with the Henoch Prophecies which tell us that the foreign ETs in our skies may give up their anonymity / state of secrecy and assist those who are being terrorized by the irresponsibly acting countries in our world. (CR 215:215 and 215:216) But perhaps the ZR androids are different to their ZR masters, i.e. rather uncaring about the “life of terrestrial beings”? c) Maybe the 3 groups are not from Zeti Reticuli. I mentioned what made me think that they are from ZR: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/2119.html#POST83445 Naturally this is only my guess – they may be from a different star system. d) Maybe Ptaah's warning is very general. It may not refer to the present 3 groups of ETs in our skies at all. But is a general ref. to non biological ETs (e.g. androids) that may visit our planet. It is hard to tell when all we have is guesswork. Salome, Bill --------------------------------- *) Brief Summary of CR576 of Dec 9, 2013 - not a 1:1 translation (Spec Bulletin 76): Ptaah tells Billy that originally they had no interest to investigate the 4 groups but due to an event in September 2013 (no particulars given) they found it necessary to have a closer look at one of the groups. They contacted Asket’s people (the Sonaer) for some technical aids with which they were able to penetrate the materials of the round, triangular and boomerang-shaped UFOs of the group in question and retrieve some information about the life forms flying these objects and their techniques without them noticing anything. Plejaren language scientists were able to decipher their language within 9 days and miniscule recording devices which they beamed into the flying machines were able to give them some interesting additional information. Ptaah mentions as well that they were able to find that the examined group did not belong to Earth and how they came to Earth. But he cannot mention any details.. He allows Billy to publish what he said because even if these ETs read these statements they cannot harm the Plejaren because their technique cannot trace the Plejaren ships.. He tells Bill that there is so far (Dec 9, 2013) no need to investigate the other 3 groups but that they will do so if special events would make this necessary. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 698 Registered: 04-2011 |
RE post 696: In the "Summary of CR 576" (2nd paragraph) it should read: They (Plejaren) contacted the Sonaer, which are friends of Asket’s people (the Timmar) Bill | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 835 Registered: 08-2010 |
Thank you Scott, and thank you Corey for having mentioned Contact Report 688. Having read this contact report, I wish I could get world governments to consider the following. I see the importance of the efforts of the Spiritual Teaching People, and humanity of Earth given the freedom to hear their words and for governments to also take heed and apply themselves responsibly. As I understand Ptaah, what occurs now on Earth, as it pertains to the Spiritual Teaching, FIGU and the Spiritual Teaching People efforts and success, is that prevailing mentalities, stubbornness and megalomaniacal tendencies of our governments will be cause for certain actions -likely by military, advanced weaponry experiments in space or on moons & planets and even wars or conflicts that will draw much attention. If nothing changes for the better, if the efforts of the Spiritual Teaching People are thwarted in any way, in that their efforts are not Assistive To World Governments in effecting the thinking and cognizance of the people towards the good and the positive, then it will come about that the next generations will each act out in irresponsible ways and perform acts which will bring about dangers and destruction to our planet. Our world governments must consider that 'earth-foreign-ones' and 'earth-future-ones' (aliens & extraterrestrials) possess monstrous technologies developed for security and self-preservation. These technologies will warn them of potential threats and they will seek by all means to neutralize such threats. Elimination of the threat-source may be their only choice ...something our military should understand. The decision makers in our governments should think clearly about the mentality and direction humanity is taking, the advancement of weapons systems and technologies in a galaxy/universe in which they assume we are alone in. Reincarnation is real. Plenty of evidence for it on YouTube right now. What happens in the future will happen to our future selves, future families, future friends. How these 'earth-foreign-ones' and earth-future-ones' act towards us will depend on the thinking, actions and deeds of earth terrestrials... starting from this moment forward. They may already be aware of our developing weaponization, planned weapons technology developments and planned or anticipated experiments on moons, planets, asteroids and open space. If our threat continues to progress and escalate, and our mentality and maturity remains stagnated, and even worse, should the efforts of the Spiritual Teaching People be thwarted in any way in that they are not assistive to world governments in effecting the people of Earth towards rationality, love, harmony, peace and progress of the good human nature, then we ourselves leave these aliens and extraterrestrials no choice but to preserve and protect themselves ...even if it means our utter destruction. Governments should be open to being non-hindering to the efforts and work of FIGU... even if in secret. This alone would bring about incredible developments, advanced technologies, wonderous discoveries as well as peace, security and prosperous relationships with advanced civilizations. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 358 Registered: 10-2016 |
Let destiny modification techniques be our planet's common purpose. If the ET's mentioned in contact 688 observe us altering our destiny to the good, they might reconsider their negative options. Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 367 Registered: 10-2016 |
Contact #688 = warnings that ET's that have either been in our airspace for a long time (3 groups = in our airspace for 5,000 years.) or ones that will "sooner or later" arrive, and furthermore earth foreign ones and Earth's future ones may no longer be human, nor peaceful. Is this a future we want? No absolutely not, let's collectively alter the future back to the good-bearing to be in our favor so we can continue to remain human. Contact #150 = gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit should be used to prevent ET's from trying to pursue Earth world domination = direct quote: "Then, a regular safety army with appropriate weapons would be sufficient, in order to be prepared for contingencies, such as if inhumane life forms from outer space should undertake attempts toward world domination, etc." German excerpt: "Es genügt dann nämlich eine reguläre Sicherheitsarmee mit entsprechenden Waffen, um für Eventualfälle gerüstet zu sein, so z.B. dann, wenn unhumane Lebensformen aus dem Weltenraum Eroberungsversuche unternehmen sollten usw." -The extraterrestrial technology that could be used against our people could be several hundreds of years in advance of ours, but if we possess the fundamental (planetary-unified) basics to repel an ET attack, even if our existing technology is several hundreds of years below the ET forces, our planet may be skipped over from domineering ET's. Things that should be put immediately in effect to protect the security of the Earth, it's human people, and the prospects of us remaining human so we can peacefully develop in our own way over the course of some centuries w/o direct ET involvement, ultimately allowing our race to remain human and one day develop into a peaceful civilization: I propose the secret craft of the United States, Russia, and China be allowed to no longer be secret attack forces, but allowed to openly guard the Earth as gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit self-defense terrestrial guardians in a trilateral partnership. The public must be made aware of the fact that various countires possess these craft through the media, that they will be openly guarding the Earth strictly as self-defense forces (to repel an ET attack, or to be used against terrorists in cease and desist operations in conjunction with trilateral forces ground troops.) Our airspace would be flooded with these (formerly secret) craft for self-defense purposes out in the open in front of all Earth humans. This would mean the US, Russia, and China would have to set aside differences, and cease hostilities towards one another, and work out in the open with the securities of our home planet, and our terrestrial people in mind at all times for the common good. Later on these craft could be used in trilateral cease and desist operations against any war that breaks out in any terrestrial area, in conjunction with the gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit ground forces (multinational peace keeping troop. See https://theyflyblog.com/2016/07/07/using-the-worlds-military-forces-to-establish-peace/) I propose a moratorium of 3 full centuries (300 years/300 Jahren) be passed where ships of extraterrestrial origin are not allowed to land on Earth. The reasons for this are twofold: 1. the next 200 years of overpopulation effects "swing-backs" of cause and effect that will affect terrestrials in a negative wise (contact 669), some devious races may try to land and offer us help, only so they can take advantage of the situation and become domineering and in control of the Earth. Let us pass law that we will learn from our own terrestrial mistakes over the next 200 years, with an extra hundred years to peacefully develop technology that will assist our people in our own way, the terrestrial way that is meant for us so we can fully remain human. After the moratorium expires in 300 years, these developed technologies can remain classified from ET races to protect us from harm if need be. 2. We can take 2 full centuries to perfect our gewaltsame Gewaltlosikeit, our banishment practices, and get our people to be under a oneness of one thousand million (one billion) in total population. World peace and stabilization in accordance with the laws and recommendations of the Creation as taught by the "Goblet of the Truth" is possible over the next 2 centuries (see my post #340 in the "Goblet of the Truth" thread for all the pertinents), with once again an extra hundred years of terrestrial development as a peaceful civilization before we openly and legally allow extraterrestrials to have a hand (and an open say) in our planetary affairs. And in the course of the next 200 years, terrestrials can work out their differences, outlaw war that is not gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit-related, and become a people that is a unified single peaceful people, that still respects cultural differences, and differences in nationality, but comes together unified to make critical planetary decisions that will affect all terrestrials. This will give us an additional full 100 years of solidarity before the moratorium expires.~ Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural): ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen." 27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under." | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1806 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hey Corey the intention of your post is good and it may be implemented by our wise progeny in the distant future but any ill intended ETs hell bent on overtaking earth and killing off all earthlings don't need our permission to do so nor will they be prevented from carrying it out unless protectors over earth like the Plejaren and Federation who weld a bigger stick intervenes which is exactly what they did back in 1990's. Lucky once again as Dyson would put it. The fact is we have more to fear the stupidity and illogicism of our fellow man than any ETs wanting to take over us earthlings and planet earth. Project Camelot does such a fantastic job of fear mongering about ETs. The CIA /Mufon ufological disinformation complex also does a fantastic job of also of suppressing Billy Meier's information and profiting from fear mongering on ETs to keep on rolling the military industrial complex gravy train. | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 406 Registered: 05-2004 |
If when we die we cease to exist, how is it that through time travel we are "alive"? As ridiculous as it sounds, do we never die, but go on existing within Creation for all eternity? Is the past to which we travel a physical reality, and are the versions of ourselves that exist there us, with the same consciousness and spirit forms? When I die in this life, someone from the future can travel back in time and meet me. What does this mean insofar as my physical existence is concerned? In my mind it is like, although I am dead, yet I am alive. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1343 Registered: 07-2009 |
NO, they can’t visit you after you died. The only way they could visit you form the future is if it happened…while you were alive. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 1821 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Joseph good question Although it is just my own speculation I'll have a stab at it. I think the past kind of turns into a 3D holographic memory bank all real as if its like the present reality itself much like what the star trek holographic room does only that you can never change it no matter how many times you revisit the same point of it. I like taking video footages and photos but I just can't change any of it ever although I can edit it what has been recorded stays like that forever. Having watched the same movie over and over again before because it was a great movie one thing you notice is that no matter how many times you watch it nothing changes it stays the same forever. I've asked myself before where does what just happened a couple of second ago go? Where has it disappeared to? Although I can recall it in memory its gone somewhere forever into the past memory hole. We are told by Billy that everything that ever happens is stored in the planetary storage banks and the cosmic storage banks. Much like a computer hard disk storing data I guess the storage banks do the same only that its the raw and tangible reality format that you can touch, smell, feel, see, hear and directly experience no different to the present reality itself so no matter what happens now in the present here and now reality where the future meets the past it has no bearing or influence on what has happened in the past hence whether you, me or anyone die now or not it'll never matter to the past because the past has already happened it had its moment and doesn't care about the future because future will take care of itself and give the past what it wants which in this case is more past. This whole process is like a marathon where the present keeps running, the past is right behind following it and the future just gives it the marathon course whilst time travel in this case is like the camera crew giving TV footages showing highlights. I really don't know much about time travel technology but my guess is that we have to reach the technical level of the 1st stage of matter or in this case in earthly terms 7th stage right down to the spiritual building blocks of matter in order for us to develop time travel technology. This is the level where all the weird and wonderful secrets of the building blocks of matter will be revealed including the stuff comprising the tangible material reality that we are all bound by and that is where the secrets of the past and the future will also reveal itself and with it the technical knowhows of timetravel to and fro. Billy tells us that what has happened in the padt can never be changed ever otherwise if we could the illogic of it all will make the existence of Creation impossible. Matt lee | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 408 Registered: 05-2004 |
Thanks for the replies. I wondered if when one travels back in time one is somehow manipulating the storage banks in order to re-animate the past. Is it as simple as Matt suggests: that one is simply “viewing” recorded events? But from what perspective is one doing this? Has one moved at all in space and time? Or is one viewing the past from the present? I find it difficult to think of the past as a physical reality. I think of physical reality as linear. It’s impossible to physically go back in time along the physical plane that one currently exists in. Isn’t it? To physically go back in time, therefore, one must do so by entering another time configuration (dimension), which I think is what Billy did when he travelled through time to meet Jmmanuel and even farther back to witness the dinosaurs walking on Earth. But is this dimension actually a physical reality? And if so, how can I be existing in this dimension when I am dead? When Billy met Jmmanuel, was Jmmanuel a real living person, or a recording? Is Jmmanuel “alive” now in this past dimension? And if so, how can that be, seeing as he died 2000 years ago? Michael, what you seem to be saying, if I am correct, is that when one travels back in time one is still moving forward into the future and that the future is the past going forward in time. But let’s take Billy’s case when he met Jmmanuel. What was stopping him from interacting with a complete stranger who had never met Billy when he went back in time? Your post implies that 2000 years ago during Jmmanuel’s life, Billy was there at some point, even though he had not yet been born. Why did Jmmanuel not mention this in the Talmud Jmmanuel? That would have been quite something. It also implies that the future is set. |
