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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2070
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 12:40 pm: | 
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Michelle this is only my assumption but it appears to me that even before Sfath's first meeting with Billy the Plejaren already knew that we had to get off this planet soon because of our dying sun irrespective of the foreseen overpopulation crisis and its consequences.
So irrespective of the conclusions drawn from their probability calculations and direct future view Sfath would've already determined that to a certain extent part of the mission was doomed to failure because of earthling's stupidity and our unwillingness to listen.
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2071
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 06:02 pm: |
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Inevitably earth's overpopulation problem extends all the way to the spiritual sphere otherwise why would the spiritual plane from Arahat to Petale get involved.
The material plane may not effect the spiritual plane directly but it appears that it does indirectly.
Matt lee |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1072
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 09:46 pm: |
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Matt Lee,
Any spiritform that does not make it into the spirit planes of Arahat Athersata will simply be dissolved and absorbed by the Creation.
If we consider the Law Of Love, then we can rationally and logically see why the Arahat Athersata up to the Petale would get involved.
Our bodies are made up of matter and tiny little creatures that decay and are eventually absorbed by nature. I can't see how "we" could directly nor indirectly affect any spiritual plane.
The only creational law I've come to learn and understand regarding the spiritual planes and the material plane is that Creation has a law which states that the higher evolved help the lessor evolved. While the recommendation of that law is that the lessor evolved listen to and consider the help, recognize it and apply it.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Cpl
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Post Number: 1163
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2019 - 10:01 pm: |
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I don't see the inevitability there, Matt. The spiritual levels are under none of the constraints that make overpopulation a problem on a physical planet. I am not aware of any involvement of the AA or Petale levels in planetary overpopulation issues. Problems created by physical human beings are problems for those humans and no responsibility or problem in any spiritual realm. The spirit levels have no problems as such.
Our problems are to be faced and solved by ourselves alone, or with other human help if we can garner it. This is a lesson that we have to learn and get right.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2072
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 04:18 am: |
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Hi Eddie and Chris
To make my statement a bit more clear the overpopulation issue was forewarned by the spiritual plane whether as prophecies or as transmissions whereby through Billy's hands automatic writing was achieved hence the different styles of writing.
Another fact is that due to overpopulation our spiritforms are prevented from spending the required time it needs to properly process all that it has learnt from the previous life thereby causing numerous problems in the material plane from incarnating too quickly thus identity issues among so many other problems arises as people can attest to by looking at what is going on in the LGBTQ community.
Although immortal as the spiritual planes are they all have a specific role to play for this particular universe/creation in which they reside therefore any number of these levels also partake in helping the Creation to evolve through what they do for which one of their task happens to be passing on transmissions to Billy via intermediaries.
The issue of overpopulation was covered by these spiritual planes.
The fact that they've even bothered to let themselves be know to earthling through the high council, plejaren and Billy and then for them to in a way intervene through the knowledge and information that they've proffered through transmissions to Billy does suggest that whatever happens within the material plane does effect the spiritual plane in so much as if we were to destroy this universe through the all annihiliating neutrino bomb "A gleaming explosion would transform the Earth into a glowing white cloud of gas in less that five one-hundredths of a second, while the chain reaction would race out into free space with the speed of light .. " then it is sure to effect the spiritual plane as well.
With this hypothetical example where this DERN universe gets destroyed it might also cause interuniversal problems by detrimentally effecting the DAL universe as well in a non stop chainreaction.
Actually Asket was worried about the after effect of earth being destroyed through the chain reaction effect.
Matt lee |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 534
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 09:51 am: |
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Something else, I'm pondering from the recent video from Catherine Mossman. Malona and Mars "people" were helpers for the "people" on Earth, in order words, they assisted with the mission, yet Malona was destroyed by the "people" on this planet? I'm wondering were the Malona helpers assisting as well on Malona "before" the planet was destroyed or after? If before, did they know the planet would be "destroyed"? Or are our situations here on Earth similiar, meaning, this planet maybe destroyed despite the "help" of others including the Malona helpers and the Ps? Hope that makes sense.
MsMichelle
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Scott
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Post Number: 2940
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 04:11 pm: |
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MsMichelle,
I asked this question 20 years ago to Billy regarding the destruction of Malona, whereby the ones responsible for its destruction, knowing by destroying the planet they would be killed as well, but proceeded with their plan anyway. Billy stated it is the same situation on earth, there are those people that know we are destroying ourselves via overpopulation etc....but allow it to continue, knowing that they will also eventually be affected by, but nothing is done to stop it..... |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1406
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 04:11 pm: |
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Matt,
To the best of my knowledge, the spiritual planes can't be damaged or destroyed by anything in the physical/material realm. |
Cpl
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Post Number: 1164
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 05:35 pm: |
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The only "involvement" by the AA has been a warning through Billy via his spirit form. They do not get involved with any physical humans; that is a part of the High Council's mission or work, and even they only contact very advanced, highly evolved humans.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1073
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, September 15, 2019 - 07:53 pm: |
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Matt Lee
Regarding your hypothetical chain reaction destruction of the universe....
The Law Of The Equalization, something the spiritual planes are well aware of, is the "balancing" of any Ausartung (badly out of the control of the good inner nature).
Overpopulation, as I understand it currently, doesn't affect the processing of all that was learned in the previous life. It affects the development (forming/completing) of the new consciousness block; ie: the personality.
The reason the spiritual planes transmit words of wisdom, warnings and admonishment is because of the creational law that the higher evolved help the lessor evolved.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2073
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 16, 2019 - 03:22 am: |
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Hi Michael as far as what I've read the conclusions I have drawn is the same with yours.
But I suspect due to my lack of knowledge the more that there must be to it I can only fill the missing pieces with only my conjecture and assumptions.
Cheers |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2074
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - 02:12 am: |
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Thanks for the information Chris and Eddie.
Just for the knowledge sake have you fellas encountered any information on what the nature and essence (makeup) of these higher spiritual planes are, what makes them immortal and what the differential factor is between ultra fine spiritual energy verses the evolutive human spiritform?
Cheers
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2075
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - 02:21 am: |
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Eddie this statement from you..
Overpopulation, as I understand it currently, doesn't affect the processing of all that was learned in the previous life. It affects the development (forming/completing) of the new consciousness block; ie: the personality.
Don't quote me on this but I remember a statement from FIGU source stating something to the effect that due to overpopulation the spiritform doesn't spend as much time in the beyond to process all the experience and knowledge before it reincarnates back again thereby causing all sorts of issues in the present incarnation
Cheers
Matt lee |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1074
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - 08:26 am: |
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Hello Matt Lee
Regarding your post#2074. Those questions are best answered by Billy, so perhaps Christian Frehner can help you with those.
All I understand is that, at a certain point of evolution, the spiritform no longer requires the human experience and transforms itself into a half-material/half-spirit Being.
From there it completes the transformation into pure spirit Arahat Athersata... so spirit is eternal, indestructible and, from Arahat Athersata and beyond, it exists in the BEING of the Creation ...all of which is indestructible up to and beyond the Absolute Absolutum.
Regarding your post#2075. Semjase's introduction to the spiritual teaching will shed some light on it. (CR 10) The Goblet Of The Truth expounds on it.
Think of it like this. Every life experience, every thought, every feeling, every everything is in the subconscious mind which is enlivened by the spiritform.
Overpopulation affects the present incarnation (personality) in the sense of the forming (processing) of the new consciousness block.
Nothing from the previous life experiences is lost. What is affected is the development (processing) of the new consciousness block, the personality incarnating.
This is how I currently understand it. So I could be mistaken. Perhaps others can confirm or share their understanding.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Cpl
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Post Number: 1165
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - 08:35 am: |
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You are right when you say this, Matt, "I remember a statement from FIGU source stating something to the effect that due to overpopulation the spirit form doesn't spend as much time in the beyond to process all the experience and knowledge before it reincarnates back again thereby causing all sorts of issues in the present incarnation." The only edit I would give is to change "doesn't spend as much time in the beyond" to "doesn't spend the requisite time in the beyond."
It is that which causes the adverse/incomplete development of the new personality.
As I understand from Meier's material, Matt, the higher spirit planes are just that: higher spirit planes of fine spiritual energy. Spirit is immortal so they are immortal and no longer need human incarnation to evolve. The "evolutive human spirit form" is the spirit form that resides in the human and progresses and evolves from the personality's experiences. It still requires incarnation in humans to evolve, whereas the ultra fine spiritual energy no longer requires human incarnation to evolve, as it/they has/have already learnt and developed all that is necessary from its very many human incarnations.
Both types of spirit are immortal and essentially of the same spirit energy. They, like all things, are just in different stages of their evolution. The evolutive human spirit form, requires further human experience to evolve, whereas the ultra fine spirit form does not.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Cpl
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Post Number: 1166
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| | Posted on Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - 08:45 am: |
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CR 721 like the other CRs is available at the futureofmankind website at .co.uk, Votan. Note you will need the following, which is the rest of the URL link, or once at the basic website click through the following links: /Billy_Meier/The_Pleiadian/Plejaren_Contact_Reports. Then scroll down.
Good luck.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Cpl
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Post Number: 1167
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| | Posted on Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - 08:55 am: |
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Sorry about the FoM info, Votan. I didn't realize it wasn't up there.
CR 721 & 720 are available at a website titled skillssalon with the usual .com. Then you need /index.php/2019/08/06/ followed by: translated contact report 720 and 721/ with a total of 5 hyphens between each of those 5 words/numerals.
Hope this helps.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2076
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 21, 2019 - 01:00 am: |
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Hi Eddie and Chris
Although these type of information doesn't take precedence for me over actually trying to apply and make the effort of living my life based on the spiritual principles nonetheless because it is included in the whole package at least, it makes me ponder from to time about the nature of what this thing called the spirit, fine spirit, finest spirit , ultra fine spirit, higher spirit form, spirit plane, higher spiritual plane and spirit energy is.
While pondering about it though I have concluded that even getting to the stage of understanding this term 'the spirit is its own evidence' for me right now is just a matter of faith.
The evidence you bring to bear is reason, knowledge and logic having considered the totality of the information before the actual 'getting to know' stage but the question of 'how do you truly, verily and really 'know' beyond the definition of belief especially on these matters about the spirit' on some level will never be resolved until further down the evolutionary timeframe.
I mean we can read all day about what Billy has written about this stuff but I am wondering how many of you have actually felt the spirit within, sensed the inner working of the spirit, actually felt this lightbulb going off in your head giving you the sense that this is it or brought to bear a certain spiritual power in everyday life that unequivocally gave you certainty of understanding that 'the spirit is its own evidence'?
I think understanding other people's direct experience as they have felt them helps in the process of coming to your own conclusions especially if the experiences is directly from their own beyond quoting what Billy has written about it.
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2077
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 21, 2019 - 09:44 am: |
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Hi Eddie and Chris
Although these type of information doesn't take precedence for
me over actually trying to apply and make the effort of living my
life based on the spiritual principles nonetheless because it is
included in the whole package at least, it makes me ponder from
to time about the nature of what this thing called the spirit, fine
spirit, finest spirit , ultra fine spirit, higher spirit form, spirit plane,
higher spiritual plane and spirit energy is.
While pondering about it though I have concluded that even
getting to the stage of understanding this term 'the spirit is its
own evidence' for me right now is just a matter of faith.
The evidence you bring to bear is reason, knowledge and logic
having considered the totality of the information before the actual
'getting to know' stage but the question of 'how do you truly, verily
and really 'know' beyond the definition of belief especially on
these matters about the spirit' on some level will never be
resolved until further down the evolutionary timeframe.
I mean we can read all day about what Billy has written about this
stuff but I am wondering how many of you have actually felt the
spirit within, sensed the inner working of the spirit, actually felt
this lightbulb going off in your head giving you the sense that this
is it or brought to bear a certain spiritual power in everyday life
that unequivocally gave you certainty of understanding that 'the
spirit is its own evidence'?
I think understanding other people's direct experience as they
have felt them helps in the process of coming to your own
conclusions especially if the experiences is directly from their
own beyond quoting what Billy has written about it.
Matt lee |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1075
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, September 21, 2019 - 08:42 pm: |
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Hey Matt, to respect forum requirements of brevity and server conservation, I will have to be as concise as I can. I will write in the form of a progression in order to formulate the cognition that pertains to your questions... to the best of my current abilities.
Unlike "belief"... Faithfulness (trusting/trustworthiness) is a creational recommendation that occupies a two-sided coin, namely to be alert and cautious at the same time.
It says in the book Arahat Athersata pg 54: 130. But the Earth human being should beware of false wise ones and false prophets, because these permeate all times and spaces like malicious ulcers.
In the Goblet Of The Truth we learn that the prophets only tell us what we should "look at" and not "how to look".
Nature tells us that power and force require energy of one form or another.
So how I came upon my personal recognition of my spiritform (from the perspective of/as my personality) was through the cognitions from the study, fathoming, recognition and application of creational laws and recommendations as I learned them (and continue so) from the Goblet Of The Truth.
In the book Arahat Athersata pg. 204:49-50 it says; "And when the life bearer is spoken of here, then it is not of those in material form, the germ itself, but rather of the spiritual life bearer which makes itself noticeable in everything as spirit-energy and embodiment of brazen regulation, laws and recommendation of creational origin; in the Earth human being, therefore, the spirit-form, respectively, the spirit itself. 50. It alone forms the life bearer, filled up with creational power which the Creation has given to each of its creations as an ur-idea and has put into them."
NOTE: Through the ever expanding cognitions, it eventually appears odd, even humorous, to a spiritual human being, to look in the mirror and ask him/herself; What evidence is there of my spiritform? But I digress.
Within the section regarding the secret sciences in the book Arahat Athersata, is the following explanation which one can put to the test and begin to discover, through introspect and retrospect, the truthfulness and evidence thereof.
Arahat Athersata pg. 290-292
419. It must be clear that the consciousness itself is neither good nor evil, but rather fully neutral.
421. Thus the consciousness is aligned precisely with the kind of thinking and creates good or evil or equalizedness, happiness or unhappiness, health or illness, approval or disapproval, etc.
422. The consciousness is the actual motor which develops, releases and brings to use the tremendous power which influences and brings about everything according to the mode of thinking.
435. The whole secret of a successful, good and healthy life-conduct consists of looking into oneself and adjusting oneself to the right thinking-form, to bring the thinking into harmony and consonance with the power of the spirit, in order to thus achieve the best possible absolutely full development of the present life.
So in summary:
After careful and thorough consideration and contemplation, recognition of the wisdom in the words of the prophets is revealed to the searching & researching one. From this comes a trust, which as an encouragement, stimulates the striving, which brings about cognitions regarding the creational regulation, out of which love, knowledge and wisdom blossom and expand. Through the knowledge of the consciousness, namely of the subconsciousness, non-consciousness, etc and the abilities thereof, namely the intuition and so forth, as also the psyche and the gemut, the knowing ones eventually recognize the power of their spirit and then begin to regulate their might and abilities, just as Creation regulates, through the laws and recommendations of the creation by means of the love power which is the true love.
Arahat Athersata pg.372: 213. says this about true love; True love arises from a secure knowledge in recognition of a Gemut-based spiritual fine-sensitive feeling, through which it becomes wisdom.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2078
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| | Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - 02:12 am: |
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Thanks for taking the time to answer my question.
I have a long way to go before I finally get there.
Cheers
Matt lee |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 539
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Monday, September 30, 2019 - 07:41 am: |
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I also sense ..since we (the majority of people)are so dumbed down due to the crisis of over population.. at some point in the future, this planet will have to allow lower level consciousness back on to this planet in order for us(the majority)not to destroy the universe or other nearby planets
MsMichelle
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1411
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, September 30, 2019 - 05:19 pm: |
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