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Justsayno
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Post Number: 861
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Friday, August 16, 2019 - 09:39 am: | 
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Sorry Norm I don't. I couldn't find it at futureofmankind, perhaps check on Michael Horn's site. Oddly I had been at Mt Shasta towards the end of 1988 and they left shortly after that is my recollection, long before I was ever interested in UFOs. The contact report says they would come into town and trade with some shopkeepers. Maybe there are still people around there who remember them?
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Bianca
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Post Number: 156
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 12:34 am: |
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Can anyone remember the noises in the media and internet when the crop circles in the UK were appearing? Dyson once mentioned here or rather did not mention exactly how 'some race' was sending messages to humanity to change our ways saying 'there is till time...' all which was written in a binary code. It may be possible that these earth future people are trying to wake us up.
On another thought... we here on earth might be the meat in the sandwitch as they are trying to help us but our so called 'leaders' are doing everything to lead us to self distraction.
…Everything is in One, and One is in all, and everything is there in this infinite Creation for every single being, and the single being is there for the whole extensive All.
OM
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1039
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 20, 2019 - 12:16 am: |
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Justsayno,
This could be an ancient volcano; however the shape of it reminds me of the Acropolis of Herodium or Silbury Hill from ancient times; made by humans which also can take on the look of a UFO from high altitudes.
We just don't know if the construction was done by terrestrial humans? It could also be an ancient rainwater harvesting system?
We will not know until further investigation is performed. It's difficult to tell if the "Shasta area anomaly" is concave or convex?
 
Kenneth |
Adxok
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Post Number: 3
Registered: 02-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 22, 2019 - 03:56 am: |
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Hi, all
I have a question to all of you regarding so called "Time travel".
Let's assume that we have found means to leap in Time (whatever that means).
When e person "travels" in Time is in it still a Present time from their own perspective: their live continues exactly as it should, no matter where they are.
I mean a Travel back in time would mean getting younger and younger (linear path of Time), hence we all travel into the future with the speed of the Present time.
If a person manages to get "back in Time" would they be able too meet their younger self?
If yes - how the soul could resolve such a conflict – being in two "different" bodies at the "same" time?
If no - does it mean that there are natural barriers, which forbids us to travel so close back in time to avoid such a conflict of the vessel (body) for the soul?
Those questions led me to believe that Time must be somehow related to our memory storage - the way we store memory.
Also the universe is not static, unless we think about Black holes as a form of a pivot points or static points for space-time.
I would love to talk to Billy or Ptaah regarding those questions, but since that is not possible (sigh), I guess we could continue the discussion here.
Many thanks!}} |
Matthew
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Post Number: 153
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, October 26, 2019 - 05:48 am: |
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Adxok,
Speaking purely speculatively as I don't know the answers, I thought it would be fun to respond with best guesses...
"If a person manages to get "back in Time" would they be able too meet their younger self?"
It some situations, not all, but, they wouldn't want to.
"If yes - how the soul could resolve such a conflict – being in two "different" bodies at the "same" time?
Not well. The soul, psyche, conscious boundary - the consciousness - would be disturbed in my view. It would be like you are cheating yourself of learning opportunities, choices, freedoms you enjoyed up to that point. It would be like walking up to a new set of disturbing and life-limiting memories, a retrograde shift in consciousness. It's probably less of an issue, i.e., for past incarnations if the necessary evolutionary levels had been reached, but, if you met your younger self in this life, YOU would have to deal with the distressing long-term effects. How would you do it without then creating expectations for yourself? What would you say that wouldn't require you to still learn those things through life experience? How would you behave to yourself without then building up expectation? What context would you do that without sending yourself to an asylum, losing friends who think you're crazy, with a whole plethora of new, unstable, associated memories that are then lodged in your head? The memories before you met yourself would be better, clearer, less preordained, more free.
"If no - does it mean that there are natural barriers, which forbids us to travel so close back in time to avoid such a conflict of the vessel (body) for the soul?
The boundaries are the conscious ones, reliant on physical senses, a body and motivations. Meeting oneself may be traumatic as you would essentially be putting your responsibilities onto a younger version of yourself and the new set of memories that would await wouldn't be as useful as the ones before the meeting, which are, at their source, to do with wanting to know yourself better, unresolved issues at the age of meeting, which can't be resolved by your younger self. The evolutionary motivation could become impaired in such a real meeting. If there is not a real boundary, e.g., inherent, or, imposed, e.g., by higher beings, life / universal restraints, there would definitely be a motivational boundary in my view.
Matt |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1080
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2019 - 04:23 am: |
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Hi Adxok / Hi Matt,
Re. what is possible in time travel and what not - please read from CR 142:90 onwards:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_142
Salome, Bill |
Savio
Senior Member
Post Number: 816
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2019 - 05:12 am: |
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Hi Adoxk and Matthew
In fact, Billy did provide an answer.
A more advanced and older spirit is not the same as a less advance and younger spirit, hence they can meet each other through time travel.
In fact, although it is the same spirit all the way, however, they are/were at different levels of evolution and different time dimensions.
There is no logical conflict when a 70 years old man meeting his boyhood self through time travel, when both the body and the spirit are not at the same evolution levels and not having the same quality in every respects.
http://billybooks.org
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Adxok
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 02-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2019 - 01:46 pm: |
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Thank you very much for your answers.
I guess the spirit then follows a Time-Space realm, in a non-material state. maybe they are just the same thing, both side of the same coin, so to speak.
Still though a traveller in Time(+Space) will have keep experiencing a Present time state, no matter where they travel, being it Back/Past or Further/Future.
On the other hand we, as travellers in Time, would know whether we have travelled Back in Space, only if we had something as a reference (historical places on a planet, continent, historical events, etc.). Same for the Future.
It is really a broad subject. Apparently Time is some non-linear entity of which only what we call Present Time is following a linear state or direction, when we are in "normal" state in the 3D Time-Space.
Something else...
Apparently with everything moving in the Universe, Time does not allow for the same thing to be in the same spot at any different "point" in Time (expanding phase for now). Thus there must be a recorded trace for the Time-Space development (some kind of record). I believe this is in other (higher dimensions). I am speculating but that is how I think of it, without any references.
I also think that Time (Time-Space) is something like a "container" for the energy to be "kept" in a material state, with the boundaries of that container being the Speed of Light (in empty space) of any given moment of its development (expansion in our case).
We can try braking those borders by either getting our material structures (body) synchronise with the frequency of the way energy emanates as matter (maybe has to do something with the speed of Light in empty space) or the structure of what we know as atoms (no one has convinced me those thing exist with all the electrons, protons, neutrons... how could it be?).
Then how can we determine what means an Empty Space?
Appears that Space is Empty when there is no Energy emanated as matter. Hence it is "dark" Energy (invisible) but still following the linear Time (expanding for now).
I am convinced for my self (I believe) that it has to do something with the Consciousness/Thinking as a form of non-material process that obviously depends on Time flow.
I can go crazy digging deep into the subject... so better stop. ;) |
Hugo
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Post Number: 734
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Sunday, October 27, 2019 - 05:30 pm: |
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Does that mean that it is not possible to time travel to met yourself from a couple of days earlier if the evolution is about the same? |
Adxok
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 02-2011
| | Posted on Monday, October 28, 2019 - 09:41 am: |
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Hi, Hugo
there is no such thing as "about the same".
The soul can not be in "the same" body twice ir split into two bodies "at the same time".
It would be like seeing yourself in the mirror. One will be the real you in "that point in time" but he other will be a projection - non real and actually will be invisible (having different light source of development).
Hence there can not be two Present states "at the same point in Time/Space". It is actually very simple. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1413
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, October 28, 2019 - 02:19 pm: |
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Adxok,
There's no such thing as a soul.
See also:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Asket%27s_Explanations_-_Part_6 |
Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 223
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2019 - 06:47 am: |
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Dearest all,
For lack of being continuously chastised, instead of using the designation of soul lets just use the initials SF (Spirit Form). Saves a lot of time and effort and besides we all get the drift!
Mat
Bronzedesk
And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time.
~ T. S. Eliot
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Patm
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Post Number: 709
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2019 - 12:11 pm: |
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Matt,
That is incorrect. The soul is NOT the spirit-form.
My translation (which may contain errors) of an excerpt from Billy's book: 'Rebirth, Life, Dying, Death and Sorrow (Wiedergeburt, Leben, Sterben, Tod Und Trauer):
The 'Soul' as a word, i.e. term is used by unknowing ones and by certain religions and their sects for the expression of a wrong perception. The 'Soul' does not exist in Teaching of the Spirit, but rather only the 'spirit', i.e. the 'spirit-form', which animates (gives life to) the human being, is of creational nature, imperishable passing (transitory) and reincarnation-capable. What is presented in religions and sects as the supposed 'immortal soul', is truthly no more and no less than only the psyche of the human being, which is absolutely passing (mortal/transitory) and extinguishes after the dying of the body. What contrarily to this is eternal and permanent and capable-of-rebirth, refers to the spirit, i.e., to the spirit-form itself.
Die <seele> als Wort resp. Begriff wird von Unwissenden und von gewissen Religionen und deren Sekten zum Ausdruck einer falschen Vorstellung gebraucht. Die <seele> existiert in der Lehre des Geistes nicht, sondern nur der <geist> resp. die <geistform>, die den Menschen belebt, schöpferischer Natur, unvergänglich vergänglich und reinkarnationsfähig ist. Was in Religionen und Sekten als angeblich <unsterbliche> gehandelt wird, ist wahrheitlich nicht mehr und nicht weniger als nur des Menschen Psyche, die absolut vergänglich ist und nach dem Sterben des Körpers erlischt. Was gegensätzlich dazu ewig und beständig und wiedergeburtsfähig ist, bezieht sich auf den Geist resp. auf die Geistform.
Hope this helps you understand why 'soul' isn't used, especially for the spirit-form.
PatM |
Adxok
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 02-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 29, 2019 - 12:27 pm: |
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Hi, Michael_horn
Yes, I am aware of the "soul" term. I designate as a soul, a personified (human vessel) for the spirit.
Like if you fill up a cup with a water from the ocean it is still a small scale of the ocean's water in a form of that cup (soul).
Soul is a human form of the spirit (like a cup, vessel), most of the people refer to it as their psyche (ψυχή) "breath/life".
Spirit is also a Latin word.
In my language we have Spirit and Soul, as the soul being a fraction of the spirit. The soul is responsible for emotions, logic, feelings, cognition. The Spirit is the source of all energy. There is no literal translation to English. I do not know how it is in German. |
Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 224
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 30, 2019 - 06:54 am: |
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Dearest All
Thank you for the corrections. Now if only the Management would see it in that light too!
Mat
bronzedesk
And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time.
~ T. S. Eliot
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Adxok
Member
Post Number: 7
Registered: 02-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, October 31, 2019 - 03:28 am: |
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Hi, guys
I've been delving into the subject of Time Travel and all my personal understanding of it (including some preliminary associations with complex functions of complex/plane numbers).
I read in some of the Contact reports that Billy had visited several historical Times when Earth was populated with dinosaurs, when he met Emanuel (the prophet know to us as Jesus Christ) and some medieval french man to whom he gave a pair of batteries and a flashlight.
My questions are:
1. Since there is some natural border (limitation) to interact or impact with entities from different points in Time, how did them make themselves (Billy, Asket, Semjase) visible and physically present at those historical times and places and exchange objects (stone figures, flashlight, words)?
It seems that interactions are possible and not only appearing as a projection (distortion) when Time travelling, yet one can not "kill their grandfather" (the famous paradox).
2. Maybe it has to do with the intentions (pure spirit evolution) that is at play in those cases, yet Billy said and prepared his revolver in case a dinosaur was going to attack him. After all, seems like "committing a murder" in Time is possible".
3. Let us not forget that in order for us to experience something we use mostly visual (light) and aural (acoustic) information. Hence light and acoustic conditions should be present and met accordingly, which of itself is pure physical interaction again!
My head is going to explode... :D |
Savio
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Post Number: 817
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Friday, November 01, 2019 - 08:52 pm: |
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Hi Adxok
We cannot verify, but there can be a few modes for Time Travellers.
Traveling into the past, the possibilities are:
1. No landing, observation only.
2. Landing, without interaction.
3. Landing with interaction.
We know:
1. Cause and result is the natural law.
2. History cannot be changed.
3. What did not happen in the past, will never happen in the future.
As for the case of Billy visiting Jmmanuel, it must had happened within Jmmanuel’s life time, hence history has not been changed.
Having said that, it must happen naturally that Billy went back in time to visit Jmmanuel, this is a natural way to complete the requirement of “cause and effect”.
I think, cases of “going back into the past with interaction” are very rare, it cannot be performed at will, and it must satisfy certain critical “cause and effect requirements” before it can happen.
Perhaps, due to “cause and effect”, a very rare “Time Loop” takes place between that specific past and future, and only there is such a time loop, “going back into the past with interaction” is possible.
Hence, “going back in time and kill the grandfather” paradox is not possible, because “what did not happen in the past, will never happen in the future.
http://billybooks.org
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1049
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2019 - 04:45 pm: |
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It’s my understanding that over two-thousand years ago, the word extraterrestrial did not exist. Nonetheless, terrestrials back then referred to off world human being as angels, messengers, etc. It was apparently fairly common to see what we call today “UFO’s” and those that operated and traveled in the spacecraft’s.
Had an opportunity to travel a portion of Italy during the month of October this year. Armed with the Teaching, it was obvious that much of what we learned is literally etched in stone and paintings of the era, everywhere.
     
Salome
Kenneth |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1085
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2019 - 08:17 pm: |
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Great pictures Kenneth
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1050
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, November 02, 2019 - 08:23 pm: |
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If I remember correctly, it was not said that you cannot go back in time and hypothetically kill your Grandfather. My understanding is, for argument sake, you can go back in time and kill your Grandfather, but that would change nothing for your timeline, because that event (your birth) already occurred.
Savio is correct; “A more advanced and older spirit is not the same as a less advance and younger spirit, hence they can meet each other through time travel. In fact, although it is the same spirit all the way, however, they are/were at different levels of evolution and different time dimensions.”
Maybe look at it this way; with a falling stream of water, if you swing a cup through the water stream, removing some water, it changes nothing on the stream before that event.
Now, with Billy’s trip back in time with Asket to Thirteenth Century France, during the reign of Saint Ludwig. Jetschi had an electric energizer for a cattle fence which he brought with him. Asket, Billy and Jitschi walked through the woods to rabbi Jechieli's little recreation house.
While there, Billy gave rabbi Jechieli a torch (flashlight) with four replacement batteries; Jitschi explained to Jechieli how the flashlight worked. Jitschi also gave rabbi Jechieli his electric fence energiser and drew up plans for the rabbi to set up a dynamo which he could drive with a windmill or a water wheel.
Eliphas Levi wrote in his "History of Magic" on page 206: "Everything which one can say about this lamp and its magical power of illumination provides evidence that Jechieli had discovered electricity or, at least, knew the primary possibilities for its application, because this knowledge, which is just as old as magic itself, was passed down from generation to generation as one of the keys to the higher initiations."
So, Billy and Jitschi’s trip back in time to the Thirteenths Century actually occurred in 1953, but Eliphas Levi wrote about the 13th Century Jechieli in 1824. One could ask, how could Levi write about an event in 1824 that actually occurred in 1953? The correct answer is that the event actually did happen in the 13th Century, not in 1953.
I hope that I explained that correctly?
Kenneth |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1081
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, November 03, 2019 - 06:03 am: |
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Hi Adxoc /Savio,
There is as well the possibility to “time travel” based on pure conscious related forces… *)
Billy states as well the two conditions for that:
- Perceiving
1 (all) Creation with a loving sentiment of oneness
2 oneself as the law-fulfilling creative being we truly are **)
- and living out this perception
This should become and be our one and true objective …
Salome, Bill
“The source of strength for each living being .. is the oneness of universal love.”
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/15698.html#POST82871 (post 645)
*) See as well:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_142 (from CR 142:99 on) http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/13809.html#POST75819 (post 266)
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/16126.html#POST85368 ((post 867)
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/13317.html#POST71140 (post 99)
**) This includes that we accept the past as a value-creative stepping stone of evolution
(= without any desire to change the future) |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1082
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, November 03, 2019 - 12:55 pm: |
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Great shots, Kenneth.
Yes, Italy was the "birthplace" of the renaissance for a reason *).
Even the source of its language – it all traces back to the same origin --- > Atlantis --- > Lyra **)
Salome, Bill
*)
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/15432.html#POST81710
**)
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_159
read from CR 159:76 on:
Language spoken in Santorini (Little Atlantis) – Crete (Minoa) – Ancient Greek - Latin |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1083
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, November 03, 2019 - 04:31 pm: |
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Yes, Kenneth - you explained that very well 
The time traveller travels to a different time and what he does then and there happens in this (not his) time.
Great find ! |
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