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Channel_z
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Post Number: 25
Registered: 11-2019
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2019 - 04:08 am: | 
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"Please see Savio's comment above. And also please study the Meier material and maybe you'll cease to espouse the delusional New Age fantasies that you've somehow mistaken for realities."
Hey Redingote Grise,
Are you talking to me? If you are referring to me please show me the "delusional New Age fantasies" you are talking about so that we can discuss them here. It accomplishes nothing to just blanket a poster's comments as unstudied and delusional, without demonstrating what is wrong.
Kind regards,
AA |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 552
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2019 - 05:53 am: |
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We have to keep in mind, none of us will be time traveling anytime soon. However, since none of us truly understands (the complexities) of BEAM's material, meaning, we are all learning, comprehending, developing and making mistakes on our understanding. Think of it this way, if you could time travel, why would you discuss it openly? Those who truly understand the Might of the thoughts, TJ, GOT, etc., understand, you must keep some things to yourselves, esp in this current climate, environment (worldly, not just on forum). Not to mention, no one on this English forum will be able to satisfy some of the deep questions on certain topics. In fact, some well-intended members have "missed" the boat, meaning, missed opportunities thus causing mayhem and confusion. I would personally present these questions about time traveling to your own consciousness and study alone on such topics, otherwise, you'll be creating more disputes, miscommunications, etc.
MsMichelle
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 874
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2019 - 07:38 am: |
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Anthony you cannot change history by hoping and wishing for a different reality. There is only one reality. If you've said something stupid to someone and hoped and wished you hadn't, no amount of hoping and wishing is going to put you in a position where you never said it. That's reality.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Channel_z
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Post Number: 26
Registered: 11-2019
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2019 - 10:06 am: |
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Hey JSN,
Did you even read my posts? I am not hoping for a different reality. Where did you get this?
Dear MsMichelle,
I disagree with you, time travel for the Earth humans is right around the corner or already here. When you hear about CERN discovering another universe, what do you think that means? Or when CERN recreates the "Big Bang," would they not be playing with a warping of space-time by doing this?
I realize that my posts above may sound like Star Trek. But I am trying to use real science to explore some of the ideas in the Meier case. If folks are paying attention, Billy talks about three groups of observers, aside from the Ps; it is claimed by Billy that one of these groups are from a "parallel time." Also in Contact 142 "parallel time" is mentioned.
"Billy- Ah, now it starts to take form. Now, if people or machines and such travel into the past or the future, these are invisible there to the people or other life forms living there, although the time travelers can live there if they find suitable living conditions. This is in contrast to when people or machines simply penetrate into parallel times and, thus, into parallel dimensions, which are temporal and spatial and are, thus, exactly materially the same as the time plane from which the time travelers came. This is so even if such another parallel dimension was created somewhat sooner or later than the one from which the time travelers came. It’s just important that the spatial and temporal relationships are exactly the same, right?
Semjase- 98. Why do you always ask me if you have sufficient knowledge about this?"
It seems to me while some are claiming that I do not know what I'm talking about, these folks might want to consider that they themselves have much studying to do. Good luck folks....
Kind regards,
Anthony |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 553
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2019 - 07:25 pm: |
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Anthony, I know it's possible to time travel, however, the problem is discussing time traveling with others on this forum or publicly, because It will cause miscommunications, envy, know-it-alls to criticize, dispute, debate.
MsMichelle
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Learnmore12
Member
Post Number: 113
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 07:14 am: |
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Hi Anthony, please do not take it the wrong way. I agree with Msmichelle, that it would be futile discussing time travelling with anybody other than figu folks, because in general, our people cannot even come to terms with the fact that human beings from other planets visit us, let alone deal with time traveling. So, it would be better if we do not discuss these things with others. Thanks. |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 875
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 07:35 am: |
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It was from Aristea's post, not yours, my apologies.
My understanding of the current time travellers is that they are our future generations coming back from 500 years in the future. I've thought about it quite a bit and wondered why now, since they cannot change anything. The only thing I could think of is that there are here to procure the spiritual teaching as it may have been destroyed in their timeline.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2956
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 08:04 am: |
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Justsayno,
Considering the volume of information provided by the Plejarens and Billy, I think it is unlikely that the teaching could have been destroyed, considering the various means we have available now to store and retrieve information. Look how long the adulterated teachings of Jmmanuel and Mohammed have survived without the aid of any forms of electronic technology....but then again...I don't know for sure... |
Joe
Member
Post Number: 560
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 09:01 am: |
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Justsayno,
Sorry but where did you get this "they are our future generations coming back from 500 years in the future"? Was this mentioned in a contact report? |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2957
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 09:31 am: |
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Joe, the following conversation which took place in Contact 39, does talk about Earth 500 years in the future, but I didn't see reference to those people traveling back in time to our time:
Billy:
Aha, so they actually are still like the Earth human beings. But then, do they still rush around with their primitive rockets?
Aha, also sind sie tatsächlich doch noch so wie die Erdenmenschen. Aber sausen die denn noch immer mit ihren primitiven Raketen umher?
Semjase
356. What are you thinking? They do live here approximately 500 years in the future.
356. Wo denkst du hin, sie leben doch hier annähernd 500 Jahre in der Zukunft.
357. Look over there; that is one of their beamships.
357. Sieh einmal dort vorne, das ist eines ihrer Strahlschiffe.
Billy:
Beamships? Girl, then these elves already master space travel!
Strahlschiffe? Mädchen, dann beherrschen die Knilche ja bereits die Weltraumfahrt.
Semjase:
358. Sure, they also have about 500 years more development behind themselves than the Earth human beings of your time, which I already said.
358. Sicher, sie haben ja auch annähernd 500 Jahre mehr Entwicklung hinter sich als die Erdenmenschen deiner Zeit, das sagte ich doch schon. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1088
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 11:04 am: |
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From the Meier material we learn about aspects that pertain to the Teaching Of The Truth, that we are unable to prove and verify due to lack of advanced enough technologies.
Time Travel, multi-dimensions, life in the universe, past & future.....
What I have been reading from these posts on "time-travel" is a lack of knowledge regarding creational laws and recommendations.
So there is a great lack of logic in conclusions or assumptions I have read.
I can't help shaking my head, due to the fact that, even a half-way knowing of creational laws and recommendations would expose a lot of the unlogical context.
A word of caution: It is also apparent that the effects of belief, which has been pounded into everyone on Earth, is affecting any rational thought when coming to conclusions regarding the subject.
Belief affects us all, until we root it out and no longer are affected by it, but this requires recognizing this consciousness retarding disease.
Belief, in any form, in any amount, is detrimental to rational and clear thinking. We must also master the power of the consciousness and thereby know if our thoughts are correct.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1089
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 11:29 am: |
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Time Travel is a fascinating subject...
(Billy) "There aren't enough shovels to bury the truth"
Time-Travel exposes the false claims of the past (creational law based recommendation).
From the Meier material we learn about aspects that pertain to the Teaching Of The Truth, that we are unable to prove and verify due to lack of advanced enough technologies.
Time Travel, multi-dimensions, life in the universe, past & future.....
To be helpful to everyone in the discussion: What I have been reading from these posts on "time-travel" is a lack of knowledge regarding creational laws and recommendations.
So there is a great lack of logic in conclusions or assumptions I have read.
Even a half-way knowing of creational laws and recommendations would expose a lot of the unlogical context and lead to logical conclusions worthy of discussion.
A word of caution: It is also apparent that the effects of belief, which has been pounded into everyone on Earth, is affecting any rational thought when coming to conclusions regarding the subject.
Belief affects us all, until we root it out and no longer are affected by it, but this requires recognizing this consciousness retarding disease.
Belief, in any form, in any amount, is detrimental to rational and clear thinking. Detrimental to evolution of the consciousness. We must also master the power of the consciousness and thereby know if our thoughts are correct. This power is unlocked in the consciousness through the searching, researching, fathoming, recognition and application of creational laws and recommendations in the daily life, into the character and into the thinking, actions and deeds. Then it becomes a wisdom.
The study and scrutiny of the Goblet Of The Truth will awaken the consciousness and unlock its power and abilities.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Redbeard
Member
Post Number: 315
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 06:44 pm: |
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In pondering the potential of time travel not only would we have to decide when and where to go but for the most benefit for change in our current time we would need credible and verifiable sources of recording.
Based on how difficult it was for Jitschi to deal with the reality of it and the fact that not everyone would be able to time travel then it would be necessary to have an incorruptible method of recording the trip or shift. Probably live stream wouldn’t be possible. I don’t know. Perhaps multiple cameras from different angles.
The possibilities would be unlimited as well as chaotic as the radicals of all belief systems and intellectuals would be psychologically challenged and traumatized to an incredible degree!!!
Most of the sci-fi movies and such deal with changing the past and there-by the future or in our case our future in this time frame. But this would be no different than finding an old history book that told it as it was perhaps closer to the truth. |
Hugo
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Post Number: 748
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 08:30 pm: |
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I forgot which contact note it was but the time travelers from our future also came here to change some things in Billy's spirit books to suit their agenda in the future. Luckily Billy found out before book(s) were published. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2958
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 10:16 pm: |
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Hugo, please post the contact if you find it, I have not heard of this before.
Thanks
Scott |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 876
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2019 - 07:46 am: |
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Thanks for posting the contact report Scott. For the amount of times the Bible and Koran have been changed and the bible only containing 15% truth, not sure what percentage of truth is left in the Koran, but likely about the same. Maybe the earth future generations didn't like their altered version of the spiritual teaching and wanted the original? We are warned that if human beings do not become reasonable, the prophesies and predictions will carry on as calculated. This includes WW4 and the resulting destruction. As 2/3rds of the world population will pass away, will the 1/3rd left have a copy of the spiritual teaching? I doubt there will be an Internet left.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 554
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2019 - 09:40 am: |
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What I've discovered about our current population,(esp complex topics such as time traveling) some young people (so called millennials) want to re-create the wheel, but do not have any idea what is a wheel and older people (so called boomers) want to remain on that wheel forever.
MsMichelle
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2081
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2019 - 12:47 pm: |
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From Billy's information you can extrapolate using the Jitchi's example that indeed you can change the future only.
I think this would be a fair statement to make seeing as we are thinking about it especially the battery they left behind it has altered the course of history just as Billy has even before he was born.
Matt lee |
Hugo
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Post Number: 749
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2019 - 04:08 pm: |
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Scott, I'm pretty sure it's there. I tried looking for it but have not found it yet. Give me some more time please, unless someone else knows where it is. I would appreciate the link. |
Hugo
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Post Number: 750
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2019 - 05:54 pm: |
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Scott, I found it. It was a suspicion and not proven.
Billy:
Also, there is the matter of when I write something on the computer and then later something completely different is expressed and it often has the opposite of that which I have written, or that entire paragraphs or individual words disappear or are altered, which is just as strange as many other occurrences which go along the same lines and have already often created irritation.
And this has been going on for years, and it looks as if any number of goblins, were such to exist, want to drive us mad.
Ptaah:
33. This is certainly not the case, because goblins are mythical creatures which have never existed, as you have immediately corrected your remark.
34. We cannot explain all these incidents either. However, I have a suspicion that any number of human entities from another dimension are making mischief - perhaps out of the terrestrial future, whereby a justification for that, however, appears to be extremely puzzling.
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41. But now to again return to the problem of the disappearance of different things in the Center:
42. Should people of the Earth's future be in on the act - which more likely to be excluded, nonetheless is still not completely ruled out - then the grounds for the whole thing could rest in the fact that, in the future, your mission will conflict with certain things in a group's plans, for which reason they are trying to hinder or falsify certain things in the Center, in their past, which is your present time.
43. Anyway, that corresponds to the whole thing, which would cause all these events in the Center, representing a technology, which, although not unknown, is still not available to us, in the manner that we could apply it without hesitation, because we are only at the advanced beginnings of our exploration of this, not, however, that we are already able to develop this for application.
44. With all the incidents that we have inspected in the Center in relation to these things, we could quite plainly detect high electromagnetic energy which simply just suddenly made its appearance, without us being able to identify a trace of its transportation to the spot or its approach.
45. The energies were simply suddenly there, coming out of nothingness, and they disappeared again in this same manner, without a possible way for us to detect any traces, nor attain coordinates.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_433 |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1418
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, November 22, 2019 - 06:25 pm: |
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The manipulations on Billy's OFFLINE computer that he showed me (written in Albanian and Arabic) were said to be done by a powerful group on earth with high technology, money, religious orientation, etc. Last I heard the Plejaren hadn't yet identified them or exactly how they were doing their manipulations. |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 2082
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, November 23, 2019 - 01:19 am: |
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Hi Michael
It may be the case that Billy and the Ptah already knows about this powerful group within a group who are responsible for these machinations at the SSSC.
It appears that they even possess teleportation equipments to disappear things at the centre.
This group within a group spoken of by Billy appears to have affiliation with the CIA and it is my understanding from other sources that Bechtel, SAIC, Honeywell, Northrop Grumman, JPL, christian zionists, George Soros among many others are involved.
Ptaah
Yes, that was said.
And the time is also ripe for that.
- With the named group, it concerns a worldwide branching from governments, the military, industrial groups, secret services, paramilitary and powerful ones of finance, as you correctly said. – Those in the know and contributors are only certain elements of the same, who profit greatly, financially and power-politically, from their secret machinations, for which reason the entire powers of the government, military and industrial as well as finance are not involved in the situation and are also not informed in regard to this. The group is not organized, as such, rather is only a loose collection, whereby their interests, however, have a common form, which, already since the 1920s, was designed to operate a continuous, ingenious, large-scale disinformation campaign regarding the question of extraterrestrial life. The group, which is split into many small groups, has many kinds of technical possibilities at their disposal, which they employ for their evil and human-misleading purposes.
That started with technologies of electromagnetism to do with precision electronics and computer engineering, up to and including apparatuses through which brainwashing and the programming and altering of consciousness is evoked in humans.
They even have back-engineered beamships at their disposal, whereby, in certain contexts, even antigravity finds application.
It has also occurred many times that premeditated "abductions" of Earth humans by "extraterrestrials", and the massacre of animals, has been and is faked by this group. That stands partly also in connection with those illusionary and schizophrenic visions and apparent experiences of those who believe that they have had, or have, these kinds of real experiences.
Also wrong information and falsified pictures of alleged extraterrestrial flying devices is strategically circulated worldwide, whereby according to our investigations, about 98% of all false pictures, films, videos and false information is directed at moving the Earth humans to angst and terror of extraterrestrials and to engender hate and thoughts of revenge in the Earth humans.
Therefore, in this way, angst, terror and hate is stirred up against all life foreign to Earth. Especially films for cinema and television serve this purpose, as also, however, do many books which are constructed on lies and untruths and are written partly by "experts" in psychology and psychiatry.
All this nonsense sells very well to the Earth humans because many on the search for the effective truth trust and believe this false information, and these films and pictures........ |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1061
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, November 23, 2019 - 11:37 am: |
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Newinitiation,
You bring up some interesting information. I talked to a friend (retired OSI agent) regarding this subject matter.
Correspondence from OSI Agent: I know for a fact that Bechtel, SAIC, Honeywell, NG, and JPL have “interests” somewhere in Switzerland. Bechtel has been a “leader” in tele-transportation experiments for some time. I can’t comment further. I feel that any confrontation would be extremely detrimental to all. Statement End.
The Plejaren or Billy may now know who the perpetrators are, but their identity cannot be made known at this time. It’s possible that these unknown groups want a confrontation of sorts with the Plejaren? The Plejaren, Billy and Wernher von Braun all said that a faked E.T. invasion is planned for some time in the future? Are these unknown groups trying to fabricate fake evidence that the Plejaren are evil E.T.’s?
Kenneth |
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