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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2124
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2019 - 03:26 pm: | 
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I agree with Sheila on this one.
If you take out the word 'makeup' out of the equation, although its an allegory, we wouldn't have a discussion period therefore the operative word here is 'also' about makeup or painting one's face.
Semjase said to the effect that she finds makeup disgusting as well as nail polish and toenail polish
You could also include any other act that tries to improve upon Creation's work such as extreme bodybuilding where Billy said they look like roasted chicken.
Another example would be any body, tongue, eye, genital and belly piercings, tattoos, dressing up with expensive luxury brands, driving around in luxury cars and supercars, taking out expensive golf course memberships, adorning oneself with expensive jeweleries and watches, having private zoos with exotic animals in captivity, living in megamansions, keeping expensive pets holed up in one's domicile, having maids and servants etc
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2125
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2019 - 03:30 pm: |
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Scott have you noticed any difference from having a beard and not having one?
Did you get more inspiration and information from the long antennas of your beard as opposed to not having one?
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2126
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2019 - 03:35 pm: |
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Hugo funny
As you know it takes two to tango and three to break a marriage and four to play doubles and 5 to make a basketball team but either way that's still an awful lot of people.
Matt lee |
Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 229
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2019 - 05:14 pm: |
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I think it all comes down to personal choice and current trends posed to all.
But most of the girls due to peer pressure and the cosmetics business paying a hell of a lot of money to get this out to the public well sways the public's attention.
It really comes down to being the responsibility of the family.
I am well aware of the fragmentation we have in this society but again the current culture ups and downs definitely have a lot to do with this too.
Many of the European women after WWII were kind of pushed into the cycle of shaving their arm pits aa well as their legs by the american GI's so that it became an accepted practice and way of life. So the personal comfort sacrifices were made so that if and when they would mate with any men it would be a plus.
Now you see on the television that manly beards or stubble are back in trend. It seems that we go through these cycles that fit the trends needs.
Young women become the tools of the corporations and companies all for the gain of the shareholders own pocketbook (Not bad if you are one of the shareholders or so they say!)
Hair has always been an issue as well as the applying of makeup to increase desirability of both sexually or otherwise the extremes such as sexual changes in both men or women.
As it is said by BEAM that this most certainly applies to men and beards. But whether or not it makes you more smarter or anymore stupid I do not agree with!
Yet I do remember when the women considered Chest Hair as being quite sexually attractive and manly in nature.
bronzedesk
Mat
And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time.
~ T. S. Eliot
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Hugo
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Post Number: 775
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2019 - 08:04 pm: |
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Scott, a beard can be very uncomfortable, well for me anyway. I never had a beard because when i don't shave for a week my face becomes very itchy. I can't imagine how uncomfortable I would be if I had to wear a beard. Also, wouldn't a clean shaven face be more healthier/cleaner much like the removal of pubic hair is? |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1097
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2019 - 11:55 pm: |
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Justsayno,
Whether my niece wears makeup or not, it's not her fault, nor is she responsible or in control of what men think and do.
It is for them to take responsibility for their thoughts, actions and deeds.
I get it that this Kanon is a tough one. But all it requires is a fundamental, even elementary, understanding of creational laws and recommendations.
Without this you will jump to all sorts of confused and erroneous conclusions.
Matt Lee, the Kanon is not about wearing makeup or that a woman is to be considered a street hooker if she wears makeup.
Is this logic really so hard to grasp???
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1098
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2019 - 08:59 am: |
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Regarding the Kanon about the beard...
I will keep this one short.
The beard represents responsibility, being responsible. It represents protection and providence. The wisdom stipulates the need to evolve cognitively into a "true human being". There's so much more.
The Kanon is like a symphony, where the musical notes are creational recommendations perfectly intertwined to form sheet music.
I can go on and on.
Interestingly, I had no idea what the OM was. There's no way Billy could device such depth of wisdom if he were a charlatan.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 905
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2019 - 09:08 am: |
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Eddie the fact remains that YOU reinforced her belief that her natural face wasn’t good enough by complimenting her on her makeup. Instead of doing the right thing by telling her she would look better without it makes you part of the problem for what young impressionable women think about themselves. You didn’t get that? Of course you have no control on what other men say to her but you do have control over what you say to her.
If the Kanon was not about wearing makeup it wouldn’t have mentioned “painting ones face”.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Scott
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Post Number: 2984
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2019 - 10:51 am: |
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From the Questions and Answers to Billy regarding beards:
"The only bearded Plejaren Billy met were Sfath, Ptaah and Quetzal. The other men he's met didn't or don't wear a beard.
The decision to wear/grow a beard is a personal one and has no "spiritual" meaning. During his lifetime, Billy had his first beard at the age of 17. Later he shaved several times and had "beard-less" periods" |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2131
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2019 - 01:18 pm: |
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Matt Lee, the Kanon is not about wearing makeup or that a woman is to be considered a street hooker if she wears makeup.
Is this logic really so hard to grasp???
I understand the allegorical descriptor Eddie and the inherent meaning and the point behind this particular OM canon.
Now we are getting into semantics here.
If you took 'painting one's face and body' out of this passage and replaced it with 'painting one's house and dwelling' then obviously the allegorical meaning changes completely and with it the issue then becomes painting one's house and dwelling is not OK but since painting one's face and body is omitted, it is OK to paint one's face and body.
This passage from OM is indirectly qualified with various statements throughout different contact notes by Billy and the Plejaren stating that wearing makeup is disgusting or that improving upon Creations work through crude means such as plastic surgery, painting fingernails and toenails etc goes against Creation's work or something to that effect.
So why would this OM passage include 'painting one's face or body' used as an allegorical example if it wasn't also about 'painting one's face or body' and that indeed such acts goes against Creation's work?
And if 'painting one's face or body' wasn't a problem then why was it used as an allegory with these specific words to get the point across when the author would've had so many other examples to use during that ancient time such as 'adorning oneself with jewelery or chattels'?
Matt lee |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1099
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2019 - 03:33 pm: |
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To Justsayno and Newinitiation
Justsayno,
My niece needs to develop her own character, her own sense of self-worth, dignity and nobility... which is what the Kanon is about.
My niece wearing makeup doesn't make her a street hooker.
Read the Kanon carefully and you will realize it involves something entirely different. But that requires neutral positive thinking, rationality and logic.
Newinitiation,
Consider Goblet Of The Truth chapter 28 verses 1 - 3.
1) How often do you human beings of Earth make yourselves wrong pictures of words, because you do not understand them in their actual term and value, as is the case, for example, with the word truth which you push into the abyss of your belief in a god, a tin god or a human being whom you high-stylize to an idol. (highstylize = to make someone/something appear to be more important or better than he/she/it in reality is, or to make someone/something appear to be something that he/she/it in reality is not).
2) You search for the truth in a religious, ideological or philosophical belief and do not understand the falseness of the belief which has nothing whatsoever to do with the truth which alone is given in the certainty in recognition of the reality.
3) If you search for the truth without imposing any requirements, then you will find it only in the certainty in recognition of the reality, because only what corresponds to the reality is truth, but never a belief of any fashion, because it is in every wise always unreal, unsubstantial and unprovable, in contrariety to the effective truth which is based on provable reality.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2133
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 31, 2019 - 07:17 pm: |
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Eddie thanks for the GOT verses as they contain deep and profound words of wisdom but it falls short of being applicable in our case because the logical connection under the current context is incompatible and unsuitable.
Now as it stands this current discussion as far as I understand it to be is the issue related to the verse where it states 'whore' and painting of face and body.
What all of us can 100% agree on is the fact that in the OM verse whore and painting of face and body was used.
What my views about that verse is that you have to interpret it literally as well as allegorically.
Matt lee |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 604
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2020 - 08:14 am: |
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The Spiritual books (the content which are millions of years old) are in German language, and some are attempting to equate German language and meaning into English language and meaning which we can all agree is not possible. Remember with each book written and published, it clearly spells this out(Contact Note 487th Feb 3rd 2010), therefore, as long as we continue to equate German language with English language, there will always be conflict of interpretation. Therefore, it's obvious, some are not reading but attempting to "fuse" their interpretations into the verses.
MsMichelle
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 605
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2020 - 08:21 am: |
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Is wisdom literal? Is logical literal?
MsMichelle
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1100
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2020 - 09:56 am: |
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Matt Lee,
Then you are committing the very mistake that GOTT chapter 28 verses 1-3 is talking about.
It's a grave mistake to assume, or to take literally the Kanon.
But let everyone suit themselves and walk the path of life.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1102
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2020 - 11:20 am: |
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Here is a good example of the "Beard"
Contact Report 331
Billy:
Terrific what you don't know about me. But you know, even with all the learning I did not let it deprive me of enjoying my boyhood and youth. In fact, I played many a trick, had my own gang, the Barracks Gang, whose members only called me the 'Pope' because I was very well versed in religion – of course through Sfath and Pastor Zimmermann. I also had time to play hide-and-seek games with the neighbourhood children or to learn all kinds of handicrafts from some craftsmen. Somehow I was always busy learning with Sfath, Pastor Zimmermann and the school, and there was also some solid work that we children had to do at home and with the neighbouring farmers. I wouldn't want to miss anything of all that, because the whole thing has shaped me in every respect, both the beautiful and joyful things and the unpleasant and annoying things that alternately came up. So I learned early on, along with many other things, to work hard, to be persistent and honest as well as helpful and worthy of life, and to respect and esteem it, the people and all forms of life in general, including nature as a whole, with appropriate reverence.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 906
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2020 - 11:51 am: |
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It wasn’t that many decades ago that anyone painting their face was considered a prostitute because those were the only ones painting their faces. Even when I was a teenager there were many parents who would not allow their teenage daughters to wear makeup because they didn’t want people to think their daughter was a prostitute. That’s a fact. Has that thinking changed over the years or is it still an unconscious thought that most people still have?
I’m not saying your niece is one. Families are what helps form the personality and if everyone is telling your niece that she looks better in makeup, she’s going to grow up believing that.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1103
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2020 - 04:10 pm: |
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Justsayno,
Regarding my niece (men & women in general) I completely agree. (Your post#906)
That is the very reason why the prophet wrote that Kanon into the OM.
Remember that "OM" refers to human being, her/his development, evolution, love, knowledge and wisdom and becoming a "true human being".
In the future, as more men and women begin to understand this Kanon from OM, peace, harmony and prosperity will flourish. Men and women will be dignified and conscientious.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Marbar
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Post Number: 316
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2020 - 05:16 pm: |
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For years I have wondered this: What is our planet like in the Plejaren's space-time configuration? |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 606
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 01, 2020 - 09:00 pm: |
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Matt Lee, I would go back and read your post 2108, because personally, I felt your wisdom attempting to break through and offer you some insight.
MsMichelle
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 909
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2020 - 09:00 am: |
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As per Bill’s translation of OM Kanon:
211. The woman does not attain beauty through the painting of her face, for as if a wicked man defiles life, the woman makes herself a whore through the painting of the face, for she thereby mocks the natural.
212. Naturalness is the beauty of woman, but painting the face destroys the naturalness, the same as a dove, that rummages in the murky pool and smears itself like a sow.
If one is only going to read the Kanon and never put it into practise, what was the point in knowing it? Going forward Eddie will you say something or are you the uncle that doesn’t want to upset her by telling her that her natural beauty looks better? I’m asking because at some point in her life she’s going to remember this (if it happens) and know that perhaps her uncle was the only one who noticed her true beauty which will then be appreciated. That’s the deeper meaning to appreciate women’s natural beauty and as teachers we all have a duty to let young ladies know this. Modern society isn’t going to do that for us.
MSMichelle what do YOU think Matt is not understanding? I think the Kanon is straight forward - accept yourself for who you are and don’t pretend to be someone you’re not.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1104
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2020 - 09:46 am: |
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Justsayno,
I have worked with inner city youth, gangs, law enforcement, etc. I have young people who respect me. Many I've known since they were young children.
Since becoming somewhat versed in the spiritual teaching, I recognize the recommendations and the 12 councilors spoken of in the Goblet of the Truth always advice me wisely and I use the leading thoughts to help everyone around me.
All of these children are grounded, optimistic, do well in school, avoid gang membership, have goals in life and they are artistic and creative. They have a certain love for me as I do for them.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 607
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, January 02, 2020 - 03:02 pm: |
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Shelia(JustsayNo), it's obvious you're suffering from some un-diagnosed, mental condition.
I'm sure Matt Lee can speak for himself, he doesn't need any help from you.
Matt Lee and I have our differences, just as you're having right now with Eddie. It's called communication (as best we can do over the internet).
Now if we're in a coffee shop or in a park discussing these matters in person, I'm sure I'll be more enjoyable and pleasant due to nature and its surroundings.
Eddie, I agree with you, I've experienced the same results as well. At first, I was not received well by citizens on the streets (adults and kids), but once they understand my intentions, they respect me more than my coworkers.
MsMichelle
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