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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2118
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 08:35 pm: | 
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Thanks Piyali for the translations.
Matt lee |
Hugo
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Post Number: 768
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 09:39 pm: |
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Piyali,
I prefer women wearing makeup then wearing no makeup. It makes them more attractive to my barbaric earth worm taste.  However I do not like it when they overdo it to the extent of painting themselves a whole face. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1121
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 11:22 pm: |
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Hi Pivoli,
Great find!
You are right - these OM verses - they are a little "rough" (!) on women.
If we think of a beautiful flower, is not their scent (similar to a woman's perfume) attracting the bees and insects she needs to reproduce?
But then again - nature does not pretend - neither should we...
Your translation is fine – except for the word “gleichsam” which has more the meaning of “like” / “so to speak” / “as if it were”.
Salome, Bill
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211. The woman does not attain beauty through the painting of her face, for as if a wicked man [wrongdoer/sinful man *)] defiles life, the woman makes herself a whore through the painting of the face, for she thereby mocks [derides] the natural.
In the 2nd sentence your translation is correct apart for the minor “s” endings in verbs:
212. Naturalness is the beauty of woman, but painting the face destroys the naturalness, the same as a dove, that rummages in the murky pool and smears itself like a sow.
Or (translating “gleichsam” with “as if it were”)
Naturalness is the beauty of woman, but painting the face destroys the naturalness, as if it were a dove that rummages in the murky pool and smears itself like a sow.
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*) “FREVEL” (crime, sacrilege, outrage)
The net does not specify the origin of this word.
It may be related to the western Germanic “fravla” (obstinate, without restraint) which originates from “afla” ('force' with a meaning of reckless, irresponsible)
Another explanation:
One of the derivatives of the word “FREVEL” is the word “forevel” which sounds very much like “forest evil” (similar German words “Forst” and “Übel” ). I say so because in the Middle Ages the word “Frevel” has often been used in connection with sacrileges committed against “holy trees” – the words “Baumfrevel” and “Waldfrevel” originate from it: E.g. for the Saxons cutting such a tree was a grave offense – drawing forth either divine punishment or – if humans carried out the punishment - by cutting off the hand of the offender.
NB: It was St. Boniface’s “Baum-FREVEL” felling their most holy (Donar's = Thor's ^)) that led the Germanic tribes convert to Christianity: St Boniface had started to cut down the tree when a heavy wind came up and blew the tree over but not hurting him. In amazement the Germanic tribes converted to Christianity.
^) God of Thunder (Thursday = Thor's Day) - (similar to the Roman god Jupiter) |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 893
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2019 - 11:47 pm: |
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Hi Piyali thanks for the translation and I do remember those conversations. I'm very glad you got to the bottom of it as it never made me feel good that we argued about it on MH's site. I find it hard to offended by the truth, as it is what it is and no one is perfect.
This summer my daughter got married and as a gift to me she painted my face for her wedding which was the first non religious wedding I've ever attended and I was very proud of them for that. I could have stuck to my guns and refused but it was her day and I wanted her to be happy. But I doubt I'll wear it again unless the mortician uses it haha.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 585
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 - 06:11 am: |
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Remember the Spiritual Teaching books(OM, Might of the Thoughts, etc) are about learning, comprehending and understanding, preferably done alone and contemplating via meditation. Personally, it's about expanding the horizon and placing yourselves in each situation and determine if it applies or not. We all know some things are not what they appear to be and can be hard to swallow, but let's not allow unacceptable behaviors, comments, actions to replace, genuine truth and honesty as a form for growth, not as a form of a weapon to demean, silence, control, dominate, etc
MsMichelle
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 586
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 - 06:19 am: |
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Let me also add, it's more beneficial for me to demean myself than others to demean me, because If I demean myself, I have more of an opportunity to correct myself and grow. I cannot truly know the harm I've caused until I look within myself at the harm I've experienced. Hope that makes sense.
MsMichelle
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1093
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 - 10:47 am: |
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If I may, I would like to share what I perceive and recognize upon reading this Kanon.
We should remember that prophets teach via allegory.
This Kanon is about the creational regulation, it is a recommendation to recognize the majesty and beauty of a creation. The Petale have cautioned that we should never mix a truth with an untruth. This is relative of the Kanon.
The Kanon allegorizes creational recommendations that are conducive to the evolution and, recognition of the creational. Billy stated that he has never encountered an ugly human being. This Kanon goes deeper than skin deep.
The allegory is that which pertains to the law of love, the modesty, the self-acceptance and the self-love, the true values and the virtues and, lastly, the building up of the character.
The Kanon, which is actually in defense of the woman and, partially directed to the woman, so that she recognizes her true value, majesty and absolute beauty as an idea and expression of the Creation... nothing more beautiful can exist, that is more beautiful than a creation.
With great efforts, men have suppressed and treated women as less-worth, disrespected her and like cowards have attacked her majesty, beauty and priceless value. The woman more closely represents the Creation itself, for the woman, like the Creation, gives birth and life... and not just to children. The woman gives birth to motivation, drive and courage to the man so that he can achieve all his wishes and dreams.
The Kanon is not all about the woman, rather it allegorizes creational recommendations and, it establishes the self-worth... long before any vanity so that the vanity is controlled via moderation. Afterall, we all like to dress well, have and use nice things, appear attractive, so on and so on.
When a human being, not just a woman, does not accept themselves, they go to extreme measures and to sad measures of "self-painting" ...take for example people of dark complexion using whitening creams, unhappy teens mutilating their faces with piercings and face tattoos and other violations of the law of love.
These individuals, are not accepting themselves and inflicting all manner of disfigurations, excessive makeup, even the text apps where people are modifying their appearance in order to be considered pretty and accepted by peers. This is a form of selling oneself, therefore we whore ourselves out.
This has nothing to do with prostitution or that a woman should be considered a whore because she's wearing makeup (the law of love is inseparable with the law of logic)...
This is about presenting oneself from the perspective that one is dissatisfied, even regrets and is unaccepting of their own beauty and value, attempting to sell themselves as something they are not, because they are of a belief that they are not valueful, that they are not unique in all of the Creation and a part piece of the majesty and magnificent beauty of the Creation itself.
This Kanon stems from an impressive knowledge and understanding of creational laws and recommendations. I see my own ignorance and that I have so much to learn and recognize! So much fits in these verses that this post would violate the forum requirements that we be concise.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Hugo
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Post Number: 771
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 - 03:28 pm: |
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Eddieamartin,
I think you could be onto something there about whore is not meant to be taken literally in that context. Asket wears some makeup. |
Savio
Senior Member
Post Number: 821
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 - 06:40 pm: |
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Dear all
Would it be possible that “Huren und Hurenbuben” would mean “witch and wizard” in English?
If it is so, then OM Canon 32 / 211 will be …
211. The woman does not achieve beauty by painting her face, because a malefactor defiles the life as well, if the woman makes herself as a witch through the face-painting, because therethrough she mocks the natural.
Salome
Savio
http://billybooks.org
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Scott
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Post Number: 2973
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 24, 2019 - 09:53 pm: |
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Hi Savio,
Where did you see the English word for "Huren" translated as witch? The FIGU Dict, has the word "Huren" translated as whore. This word is also translated in the GOT as whore. The second term is translated from Deepl as "whore boys'. Thanks |
Savio
Senior Member
Post Number: 822
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 25, 2019 - 12:05 am: |
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Hi Scott
Yes, the word “Huren” is usually translated as whore.
However, the bing online translator translated the whole 211 paragraph from German into Chinese and came up with a Chinese word similar in meaning to “witch”.
I think it makes perfect sense, this is because witch and wizard usually paint their faces since time inmemorable, this is to project a special appearance that they do not have naturally.
Another issue is the word “Hurenbuben” - “whore boy”, I guess this profession was not common in the ancient days (where OM was first written) as in the modern times, hence “witch and wizard” may be more meaningful here.
Just brain storming
Salome
Savio
http://billybooks.org
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Felinity
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Post Number: 17
Registered: 09-2019
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 25, 2019 - 06:16 am: |
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When I was a teenager, I subscribed to the "Seventeen" magazine. In one article, it says to drink water to look young. As a 40 y/o adult, I drink too much coffee and really should start drinking more water again. I never needed make-up to get by.
Cheers!
Belinda |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 899
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2019 - 10:25 am: |
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One job I had there were two of us that never wore makeup. The supervisor took the other girl aside and told her she should wear it. She must have been afraid of what I would have said to her because she never said anything like that to me. The first thing I would have asked would be - is it part of my job description? If so, I want that in writing so I can take it to labour relations. If so, I want all staff members to abide by it, both male and female...because men look so much better in makeup lol.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1074
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2019 - 04:34 pm: |
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Eddieamartin,
Your Post Number: 1093, appears to hit the proverbial nail on the head. Well done.
"We should remember that prophets teach via allegory."
"The Kanon allegorizes creational recommendations that are conducive to the evolution and, recognition of the creational. Billy stated that he has never encountered an ugly human being. This Kanon goes deeper than skin deep..."
Salome
Kenneth |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1095
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Saturday, December 28, 2019 - 09:06 pm: |
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Hugo and Kenneth,
Hugo, as you have reasonably concluded, it's important that everyone recognizes that the Kanon isn't about wearing makeup, nor that the Kanon is about street hookers and prostitutes.
Kenneth, thank you friend. Your's is a discerning eye.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Hugo
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Post Number: 773
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2019 - 12:08 pm: |
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re - "...because men look so much better in makeup lol."
Justsayno, if so, it must be a woman thing because I never seen a male that looked better wearing makeup. It was the opposite. They all looked far worse to me and out of place and not right. Just my (heterosexual) male opinion, and I think most other males would agree. |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 900
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2019 - 02:01 pm: |
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It actually is about wearing makeup and “mocking the natural” so unless you gentlemen have ever had your faces painted, you honestly have no clue what it means. This has nothing to do with nice clothing. Any person that tells a woman that they look better wearing it should be willing to wear it as well (as my previous post insinuated) you need to have your share of wolf whistles and everyone telling you that you look better with it on. Be a hure for a day for the experience and understanding. Then afterward reflect on how many times you’ve told a woman they look better with makeup and then stop doing it.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1096
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2019 - 04:46 pm: |
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Justsayno,
The Kanon is NOT about "wearing makeup".
Everyone should seriously read that Kanon with serious contemplation and use rationality.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Hugo
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Post Number: 774
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2019 - 06:54 pm: |
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Justsayno, maybe if women didn't wear make up we wouldn't be as overpopulated as we are.  |
Pkf823
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Post Number: 4
Registered: 10-2019
| | Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2019 - 08:20 pm: |
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Justsayno,
About makeup, your view is very interesting and enlightning, I'd like to add that if you say to a woman she looks better without makeup. You need to say it often, from time to time, and from the bottom of your heart. To nourish all things quietly ~ imperceptibly let a person accept this point of view. |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 596
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2019 - 06:47 am: |
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I think this is a great opportunity for some to re-read the GOT, Psyche and prepare yourselves to handle the Might of the Thoughts. You also need to truly invest in some consistent meditation. IMO, the Kanon is full of parables, wisdom and knowledge, therefore, if you've not harshly worked on yourselves, via experiences, mistakes, failures, and you spend the majority your time on blogs, or in front of your computers, you'll miss golden opportunities to learn.
MsMichelle
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 903
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2019 - 09:44 am: |
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Exactly Pkf823. If they can’t say it in honesty, then they should say nothing at all.
Eddie it’s all about “painting ones face” and “mocking the natural”. The deepness lies in the fact that they cannot accept themselves as a beautiful natural human woman without it. It doesn’t help women to accept themselves as they are when men constantly demand a woman wear makeup...to look better. Next time tell your niece she would look better without it instead of reinforcing a girl’s thought that she’s not good enough.
That’s not the only cause Hugo but may be a contributing factor.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Scott
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Post Number: 2981
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, December 30, 2019 - 03:13 pm: |
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Within the book the OM there are a few references to men that wear beards. Reading these verses gives the impression that wearing beards is favored vs not having a beard....I wonder can the same logic be applied to women that wear make-up as mentioned in the previous discussions? Considering some of the images we have seen of the Plejaren males, these verses tend to bear this out. Here a few of the verses from Canon 32:
1173. A good man of the right kind has love and honor and a long beard.
1173. Ein guter Mann gar rechter Art trägt Lieb und Ehr und langen Bart.
1267. Beardless men are like crustless bread, they are pale and seem like dead.
1267. Bartlose Männer sind wie krustenloses Brot, sie sind bleich und scheinen tot.
1269. A good man has a beard; he is industrious and saves.
1269. Ein guter Mann hat einen Bart; er ist arbeitsam und spart.
This translation is unofficial... |
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