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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 618
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2020 - 07:31 pm: | 
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Hello Learnmore, thanks for reminding us about this contact report. I do remember reading this some time ago. Great information to consider and contemplate in order to help us with the development of our consciousness
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 2148
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2020 - 10:57 pm: |
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Wait a minute Eddie this is a discussion forum dedicated to Billy Meier and his materials and not a one-way-street public announcement channel, people were meant to share their views and give opinions about whatever the heck is discussed, if they feel the need, so isn't that a natural thing to do in a public forum such as this or do you need special permission.
As I said before difference of opinion can and does happen between people and there is no law saying that we must all agree on everything and lavish each other with ego stroking empty praises and expect that everything will be all strawberries and creams.
The purpose and intent of the discussion first and foremost is to discuss, chat, debate, engage in a dialogue and discourse and to speak about Billy's materials whether its the content of his conversation with the Plejaren or the spiritual teaching with other people here who are also interested in the same subject matter hopefully to:-
1)Learn about something
2)Share ideas
3)Figure out the psychological state and the intent behind the words that people speak and where they are at.
4)Help others and be helped by others if its warranted or needed
5)Receive feedback and give feedback
6)Test out one's own level of understanding to the court of FIGU forum public opinion
7)Clearing up of certain facts one holds to be true as one has learnt it as
8)Engage in lively debate not with the intent to injure other people's self worth and self esteem but to reinforce certain truth that one has learnt that others may not necessarily agree with but one that one is sure enough not to concede to.
9)Prove to oneself of certain facts after the discourse through one's own deliberation with the active and conscious effort of one's own thoughts, perception, feeling and judgement.
10)Refute certain claims that are not in line with the truth.
11)Influence and be influenced
12)Keep others in check just as you expect others to keep you in check.
13)Dealing with the big elephant in the room namely that just because one is under the assumption that one has been studying the spiritual teachings or have dealt with the Meier's material longer than others or perceive oneself to know more than others because one thinks that they have read more of the material than them doesn't give oneself an elevated position to feel superior above others and to use the knowledge one has gained to boost one's ego and to be dismissive of other people's position as the purpose of the spiritual teaching was never about 'look at me, look at me, look at how wise and knowledgeable I am' expecting other people to always agree with one's supposed profound wisdom laid words but be acrimoniously offended when they don't agree.
14)To not be a hypocrite but to be true to oneself as one really is right now when communicating with others here instead of using or rather regurgitating the words of Billy's to shine before others hoping to make an good impression thereby getting that dopamine fix when other people agree or give praise and in the process unhealthily reinforcing a delusional sense of oneself built up on the back of self lies and egoism
15)Learning to learn, acknowledging the truth and the raw fact that in this short incarnation one will always be imperfect with all the shortcomings that come with being an earthing and one's knowledge puny therefore making the effort to not be conceited in egoism, drunk on one's wrong assumption of self impressed idea of oneself and to have the courage to accept this fact when presenting oneself to others here and elsewhere.
16)Despite one's inadequacies as an earthling, just continuing to keep keeping on and contribute anyway that one sees fit to the discourse regarding Billy Meier and the quiet revolution of truth here and non disclosed elsewhere where one quietly goes about helping with the mission in one's own way without fanfare.
And lastly acknowledging that everything is just a continuing process and transition, just a ride forward in time with things to look back to from time to time and future to look forward to through intermittent step by steps so as we were today we will no longer be tomorrow but a new beginning.
Matt lee |
Aristea
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Post Number: 30
Registered: 06-2019
| | Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2020 - 07:52 am: |
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Thank you Matt, for laying out what decorum should be part of the forum. What I miss is lively debate that doesn't turn into ranting or scolding! This is the case in almost every forum I have participated in, including most Facebook groups. People seem to take it very personally if we don't agree with them and wish to present a different point of view. In fact, I have almost stopped interacting with people in these forums because they can get very ugly very quickly. This is particularly the case in religious forums, but also esoteric forums, where the material being discussed is debatable and not factual. Even in the scientific forums the scientists can't agree on a lot of things and arguments quickly develop. I think this remarkable lack of tolerance is a development that came out of the wars of the 20th century. We have lost the ability to be "enlightened" and "rational" human beings. Reactions are always emotional and without any real time given to thinking about the matter under discussion.
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1112
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2020 - 08:40 am: |
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Newinitiation,
A discussion is about the matter being discussed. If someone keeps taking the discussion of a subject to a dead end, then I'm making a U-turn.
I'm not here to build the Tower of Babel. Please understand, this is a very exciting time for me. Dead end discussions are like an irritation. A total waste of time.
You post on other matters that I find interesting and always enjoy reading the conclusions and so forth. So maybe the cognitions of creational regulation are not of interest to you at this time. Even so, I can still discuss the material, just not interested in dogmas and stubborn stances that are inflexible.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2149
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2020 - 08:02 pm: |
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We have lost the ability to be "enlightened" and "rational" human beings. Reactions are always emotional and without any real time given to thinking about the matter under discussion.
Hi Aristea I guess it is what it is and is a reflection of the era in which we live in.
I might add that I am guilty of it as well but then again we live and learn.
I think that the most important thing is to make the effort, not just in words, but also in action, deeds, attitude, feeling wise, thinking wise, perception and conduct.
You won't get it right all the time but its the effort that counts in the end to hopefully achieve some progress as you go along.
Be reasonable comes to mind here of what Billy has suggested in this context.
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 2150
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2020 - 08:19 pm: |
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Well lighten up sunshine its not the end of the world life goes on with or without us having the infamous Quetzal and Billy moment.
You are sticking by your stance that its allegorical only and I am sticking by my stance that its literal as well as allegorical no big deal tomorrow is another day.
We'll just have to leave it at that and move on.
I enjoyed the interaction Eddie as far as I was concerned and nothing to me was wasted.
How about the tower of pisa instead as it hasn't fallen down yet or better still how about a tower of pizza that'll get your munchies going. Hehe
Matt lee |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1114
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Friday, January 10, 2020 - 09:42 am: |
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Newinitiation,
Now a Tower of Pizza is a different story! I'm up for that. :-)
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2151
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 10, 2020 - 02:48 pm: |
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Good on ya Eddie I knew you would come through in the end.
Cheers
Matt lee |
Hugo
Member
Post Number: 784
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Friday, January 10, 2020 - 04:26 pm: |
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Hi All,
Here is the follow up email response between Christian and I from the previous page. I didn't want to rest it just on Christian's opinion so he kindly asked Billy about it. I am posting this just so there is no more suspicion that Asket wears makeup because of that photo. As I said on the previous page, seems that photo may have been deliberately altered to include her wearing makeup probably to look more in line with our females and with Dean Martin’s show model.
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Hi Christian,
Thanks for your opinion but instead of us guessing whether or not that photo shows Asket wearing makeup, isn't it easy and better if you just ask Billy next time you see him if Asket wears makeup? That way we can know and not guess if she does. Also, my opinion is the photo clearly shows Asket wearing makeup.
Salome Hugo
Hi Hugo
I've just asked Billy: He said that Asket neither did nor does wear any makeup because she does not consider it as natural. Some of the women use some cremes to protect their skin, but they don't paint their faces.
Salome,
Christian |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 2152
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, January 11, 2020 - 12:42 am: |
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Thanks for your initiative and efforts to clarify this matter Hugo now we all know for certain.
Cheers
Matt lee |
Hugo
Member
Post Number: 787
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Saturday, January 11, 2020 - 05:25 pm: |
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Newinitiation,
I also did it for myself too because I had a belief/suspicion that Asket wears makeup because of that photo. That's why I didn't want to rest it just on Christian's opinion if she did and asked him to ask Billy. |
Felinity
Member
Post Number: 27
Registered: 09-2019
| | Posted on Sunday, January 12, 2020 - 06:16 am: |
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It doesn't matter to me whether Semjase, Pleija, Menara, Florena, or Asket wear makeup - they are all beautiful women to me.
I have a comment about the Giza Intelligence. Anyone here who grew up with US pop culture, heavily fabricated by Hollywood? Ptaah talked about their research into our movies, TV shows, and other related entertainment, but I think I've seen The Giza's influence. Example, the three "Poltergeist" movies. Several workers died making those movies. The last one was the main character, Heather O'Rourke. Poltergeist gets me so upset for many reasons, for ex., it took me two decades to get over my fear of mirrors.
Another example is the franchise of Final Fantasy. My username, Felinity, is from FFXI (Final Fantasy 11). That game I had a lot of fun playing. In FFVII (Final Fantasy 7), a character named Jenova, is an extraterrestrial that is both a mother and genderless. The main villain is Sephiroth, with Jenova being his mother.
Yes, I am aware that the Plejarans cast them off of Earth in 1978, but the said that it will take up to 300 years to get rid of their lingering hold on us.
Have a good day,
Belinda |
Eddieamartin
Member
Post Number: 1115
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, January 12, 2020 - 09:40 am: |
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Hugo,
Since you got the ball rolling... can you ask CF and see if Billy can help us understand the Kanon of the Makeup and the Beard?
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Hugo
Member
Post Number: 789
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Monday, January 13, 2020 - 03:52 pm: |
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Eddieamartin, I can but I think it may be better if you or someone else asks him to do that. I don't want to keep pestering him if you know what I mean. If you do, direct him to this page and ask him to interact with our questions on that topic here. I think your question/interest - if Billy can help us understand the Kanon of the Makeup and the Beard - is a good one and worth listening to what Billy has to say about them. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2990
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, January 13, 2020 - 06:08 pm: |
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How about this again:
Greetings Billy & Christian.
Many religious leaders in Judaism, Islam, Quakers, Sufis, Sihks, Hindus, & others, have very long beards, not unlike your own. Is there any significance to such beards and your beard in particular, Billy? Or in your case, in this life, is it more of personal preference? Have all the prophets had long beards; is it something inherent in spiritual wisdom?
I realize there is more than one question in here and it is perhaps a silly question but if you would expound on the subject of beards, please.
Thank you,
Bruce
Yes, all prophets had beards, but there is nothing spiritual about it.
The reason why Billy let his beard grow (finally, because he had a beard as a teenager): it is easier for him than shaving with one hand.
This topic has come up before and the question has been asked before to Billy and answered. |
Eddieamartin
Member
Post Number: 1116
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, January 13, 2020 - 06:32 pm: |
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Scott,
The question posed to Billy, which he answered, wasn't about the significance of the Kanon and the wisdom it imparts.
The answer provided by Billy regarding the prophets having beards further illustrates, in my mind, that the Kanon is of a much broader sense than merely growing a beard.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 622
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - 05:14 am: |
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Eddie, re-read your post 1093
One thing to keep in mind, we must be honest and trusting about what we know verses what we do not know (unknowing) and be willing to accept ourselves and our developments especially if you are reading (re-reading) BEAM's books and applying our knowledge (along with our 7 senses) to our everyday experiences.
If we ask a questions of BEAM, Christian, etc, are we asking just to believe? or to be right? or to know?
BEAM's books are about the spiritual which consists of many factors not just the material or one dimensional thinking.
The Contact Reports are literal, yet, due to our limited thinking, we "miss" opportunities in those reports.
Keep in mind, you cannot "fool" your consciousness, either you know or you don't. Your experiences play a major factor in these matters, meaning, if you continue to have the same experiences without progress, that's a sign of possible further contemplation?
If you continue to avoid certain experiences because you feel superior, know-it-all, lazy, scared, afraid, insecure, etc., you're missing out on developing yourselves to the highest level.
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Felinity
Member
Post Number: 28
Registered: 09-2019
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - 08:35 am: |
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Beards are physically attractive on men. If prophets need help to get people to be on board with their spiritual teaching, then having and maintaining a beard is a plus. |
Historeed
Member
Post Number: 165
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - 09:11 am: |
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Eddie,
I don't post here much any more, but I thought sharing my similar experience with reading too much into FIGU texts may be of some use to you: Several years ago, a discussion on in this forum occurred regarding the "Tree of Knowledge" mentioned in the book OM. I was convinced that the "Tree of Knowledge" was clearly a metaphor. After much back & forth with another person, it was revealed to me that the "Tree of Knowledge" was no metaphor at all...simply a tree brought to earth by ETs. The fruit of that tree apparently enhanced cognitive abilities to those who ate from it. That's it. Nothing poetic about it, much to my dismay at the time.
Salome,
Matthew
Matthew Reed
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Eddieamartin
Member
Post Number: 1117
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - 09:19 am: |
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Msmichelle,
Great post #622. You're right about being brutally honest with ourselves. It's a creational recommendation that we be our own best friend.
The Goblet of the Truth states that we should be aware that we can ask the prophet questions while he is still alive, because once he is dead, there is no more asking him.
We are the first generation on Earth to have and, be able to study, the spiritual teaching. This will greatly impact the next incarnation in ways most have no clue, because they do not understand creational laws.
Not to mention the empowerment and power and abilities that comes from cognitions regarding creational laws and recommendations. It's like refusing a super-power. The AA-spiritform, in the book Arahat Athersata said that with knowledge of creational regulation, the human being is a God... I now understand what it meant.
Why anyone would cheat themselves of this Might is beyond me.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Ilovebilly
Member
Post Number: 592
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - 02:15 pm: |
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About growing a beard i think it absorbs cosmic energy similar to hair on top of the head
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1088
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 14, 2020 - 07:49 pm: |
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About being honest with ourselves. We also find in “The Way to Live”, Kanon 52, bottom page of 52:
Human being of the Earth, hold honest and open dialogue with yourself about that *) and recognize that you are also not more than any other, that you are also integrated into the laws and recommendations of Creation. Which are just as much your duty to fulfil as they are any other human being’s, and that, as a human being, no iota of difference prevails between you and the one next to you, because you, along with the next human being, are life-forms of the same, one Creation which has created the universe and absolutely all life.”
*) …one’s fulfilment of duty to oneself and one’s fulfilment of one’s own duty,…
Kenneth |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1118
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 15, 2020 - 09:20 am: |
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Historeed
Salome Matthew,
Thanks for sharing that (post#165). I've learned to be extra careful with coming to any conclusions and always remain neutral, just incase, so I don't come to any self-induced conclusions. I can see where as a metaphor, it may not work. Looking at it from the perspective of an allegory, meaning a leading thought, then I can begin to recognize the creational laws and recommendations. This is how I look at any instructional work of the prophet(s).
One good thing, it certainly triggers the thinking.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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