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    Markv Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 08-2008 |
I'm assuming that this is where we're to discuss COV-19. Anyways, to clarify something I said in an earlier post, fasting is NOT a good way to fight a viral infection - it IS a good way to fight a bacterial infection though. Yale did a study on this actually. Search youtube for "The Effects of Fasting on Infections" for more info. Also, Vitamin D has been shown (in multiple studies) to be of particular importance for immunity regarding respiratory illnesses. It is crucial for maintaining the endothelial cells of the lungs. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2232 Registered: 07-2005 |
The hidden dangers of visiting a doctor or medical practitioners is that its a catch-22 situation. On the one hand you need to go to a medical professional in order to be tested for any flu like symptoms for the coronavirus but since most medical doctors see their patients out in the open face to face and not in a hermetically sealed rooms in a hazmat suit and respirators they are at greater risk of being infected and being the infector than most people realise. Why are the doctors still seeing their patients out in the open as if having the title of a doctors gives them some sort of diplomatic immunity to the coronavirus or something. The issue isn't just about the right quarantine measures but it is also about identifying who is infected and who isn't. In order for the process of elimination to work effectively in weeding out the infected no amount of quarantine measures is going to stop this pandemic until there is also a stringent measures to identify the infected taking place at the same time. Self testing kit is the only way that this can happen otherwise people will get infected going to and fro the hospital from their homes. Travel bans don't work simply because people will still do the wrong thing and there are more people out there than there are people trying to enforce the laws. Matt lee | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3036 Registered: 12-1999 |
Markv, Thank you for making an effort to post in the preferred topic area..It was suggested to me, that a new topic area be added which is devoted to the current Corona Virus Pandemic...If that happens I will attempt to move all previous posts to the new area so that the discussions may continue as needed as well as posting updated information from FIGU as it becomes available. Regards Scott-Forum Moderator | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1223 Registered: 08-2004 |
Mark, In my extensive anecdotal experience of fasting in years gone by I would say you are absolutely right about fasting not being good against viral infections. I did countless fasts of a few days, a few weeks, and even lived on liquids only for 55 days once. As you can guess, I unknowingly overdid it. Fasting cools the body, and if you check with a doctor and any health professional they will tell you that with a viral infection it is best to keep warm. This because the warmth or heat helps control virus proliferation. It's why hot drinks and neck scarfs are good because these warm the throat which is where viruses tend to proliferate. With the Corona virus being so contagious though, even through clothing, I do not wear a scarf but something buttoned up to the chin when going out for necessities. Similar to fasting, a plant based diet is also cooling and not likely to help against this virus. Again, Ptaah has said that alkalinosis (sp?) leads to respiratory problems and dangers; and I experienced that too. Too many raw plants can lead to alkalinosis, so I wouldn't depend solely on spirulina -- great as it is, and I do take it -- to keep this virus at bay. In my personal, unprofessional opinion, our grandparents recommendation of a hot chicken, meat, or fish broth might be a great help at this time. Stay warm and healthy, everyone. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Tjg Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 03-2018 |
I think it is necessary to strengthen the immunity through food supplements. Because at present, the virus can only rely on personal immunity to recover, which will take a lot of physical energy, so it is necessary to keep eating. It can only be described as'Smash one's own feet with lifting rock.'that the virus is more likely to infect Asians in the early stage. | ||
Markv Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 08-2008 |
Oh no problem Scott; I try not to make messes for other people.  Chris, 55 days? Yeah, that's crazy long. The longest I've ever seen recommendations for was 21-30 days max, but 5-7 days is what is considered the max "sweet spot" for autophagy and stem cell stimulation. Anyways, honestly, I'm starting to believe that people are overreacting a bit regarding how deadly COVID-19 is - particularly for younger & otherwise healthy individuals (under 60 yrs). I suppose that's probably key for getting everybody to be proactive though. It seems that it's going to wreak more havoc economically than anything. A lot of estimates are that the peak won't be until June. I've been watching Dr. John Campbell's daily updates on Youtube (which are very comprehensive, sensible, and well presented), and it seems most will recover within a week or 2 after presenting symptoms. This also corresponds with what's happened with some cases I've read about in my state. Still good to delay infection as long as possible until we have more info I suppose. (Although I've honestly considered exposing myself in order to get it over with and thereby build the antibodies - assuming that I wouldn't present as asymptomatic).  | ||
Felinity Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 09-2019 |
Happy Friday the 13th! I'm writing this because of Melissa Osaki's message on the recent theyflyblog "CDC Wrong Again!" Is it possible to send care packages to each other? What if someone here really needs something and it's not available to them at the present time, can someone like myself send them a small package in the mail? Here in Virginia, I have not seem too much of a disruption. It would be easy for me to get a few things from a grocery store or pharmacy and go to the post office. I recently re-registered my car and I have full car insurance. Salome and Take Care, Belinda, aka, Felinity | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2233 Registered: 07-2005 |
Oh please Belinda can you be so kind as to send me some roll of toilet paper preferably a three ply Quilton or Sorbent would be heavenly nice. Just kidding :-) Its a nice gesture from your part but I am assuming that the coronavirus can be spread via the postal system as well as the postal service handle so many parcels. The postal workers can sneeze on them as well even though the conveyor system is highly automated and mechanised as it is, they still have to be manhandled every step of the way to their destination. What if the sender who gift wrapped it is infected with the COVID 19 and they happened to purchase some polo T-shirt for a birthday present for a friend by having sent that parcel Express via the postal service? What if the postal workers themselves are infected? Everything they breath and touch leaves a residue of the COVID 19 virus. What about the asymptomatic lady working behind the counter? What about the infected customer who just walked into the airconditioned post office outlet? There is just this one massive chain reaction going on everywhere right now that the authorities have absolutely no idea how to contain nor know what to do about. If Tom Hanks and the first lady of Canada can get it so can everyone else. Matt lee | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 12-2016 |
Matt lee, All you can do is try to minimize your chances. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2235 Registered: 07-2005 |
Yeah you are right Norm. Matt lee | ||
Markv Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 08-2008 |
Belinda, mail should be fine as long as care is taken by the recipient. A few bits of info: The novel coronavirus that causes Covid-19 is a close relative of SARS and likely has a similar lifespan on surfaces. Maximum time SARS-coronavirus can live on various surfaces at room temperature Plastered wall = 36 hrs Formica (laminate material on counter tops) = 36 hrs Plastic = 72 hrs Stainless steel = 72 hrs Glass = 96 hrs Data: World Health Organization The smoother & less porous the material, the longer the virus can survive on it. UV radiation (e.g. direct sunlight) can kill it though, as can standard disinfectants. I've simply been letting all of my mail sit out for a few days before bringing it inside. Generally speaking, based on my understanding of all that I've read, I don't believe that younger, otherwise healthy individuals (under 60 yrs) should be overly worried about contracting the virus at this point. Most cases are presenting as relatively mild with recoveries occurring within 1-2 weeks (~7-10 days) after presenting symptoms. It seems to me that being one of the spreaders is the larger concern for such individuals. We've been posting about COVID-19 in the Earth-Environment area, so you may find more useful info there. | ||
Felinity Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 09-2019 |
Yes, viruses go on anything and everything. However, people need to eat. Patients receiving their nutrition via intravenous are at the mercy of how proactive the hospital is at warding off deadly viruses/bacteria/molds. More people need full-body protection suits. I don't want the U.S. to end up like Venezuela where people are dying of hunger. Again, as long as the USPS is still open for business, I would mail a small package of food to anyone here who has little to no food in their pantry. Belinda | ||
Aristea Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 06-2019 |
I've been mulling over the children's seeming immunity to this virus and wondered whether anyone knows if children have been vaccinated against SARS? I suspect that a SARS virus vaccination would protect against COVID-19 as well, since they are related viruses. I'm with you Mark, maybe better to get it and get over it sooner rather than later. What is with the toilet paper frenzy? I don't get that at all! What did people use before there was toilet paper? Is this some kind of fetish that is revealing itself in this time of stress? I had noticed in working with people who have dementia, that what they hoard more than anything else seems to be toilet paper. You'll find it in all their "secret" places. | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 816 Registered: 04-2015 |
If they come out with a vaccine against it should people take it? I'm always weary of any new vaccines. May cause more harm then good. Aristea, People seem crazy about toilet paper. They care more about being able to wipe their backsides in a crisis then being able to fill their bellies with food. It makes little sense because here in Australia toilet paper is produced here from our woods and does not come from abroad. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2236 Registered: 07-2005 |
Aristea as far as I know there are no known cures nor vaccines for SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome). Its still a mystery as to why children are seemingly protected against these viruses. There are speculative hypothesis floating around out there that the children get all kind of viral infection causing their antibodies to cross react with SARS thereby giving them some sort of immunity and because their immune system is still immature unlike adults their immune reaction to the virus is not as severe. The hoarding of toilet paper is also a mystery that have perplexed me also. My colleagues and I were talking about it before and we were asking each other why not bottles of water, medicine and foodstuff first before bum wipers. Maybe people have preferences for bum hygiene over threat of starvation and death by thirst. Very very smart arses indeed. Matt lee | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3039 Registered: 12-1999 |
I remember hearing years ago during the Indonesian Tsunami that after interviewing survivors, one of things rescue workers kept hearing was the lack of TP and Water by the survivors....so perhaps that has stuck in peoples subconscious for all these years, or it is a common problem following a catastrophe? | ||
Marbar Member Post Number: 321 Registered: 12-2009 |
Do y'all think the people who are infected with the coronavirus should have their names publicized? (Moderators, if this post is not in the right topic area, can y'all post in the right section?) | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2237 Registered: 07-2005 |
Scott it may be so but people can always squat under a shower or a bath tub with a small cotton towel and clean themselves after a number two with warm water running. Obviously you won't want to use that same cotton towel to clean your dining table or wash your face with. Toilet papers represent poor hygiene as the toxic dyes and paper fluff left over as residue near the anus and private parts for women pose health risks not to mention rashes especially in summer. You hear about increasing numbers of healthy women getting ovarian cancer and men getting colon cancer is no surprise as there are definitely causal link with the usage of toilet paper. On a sunny day put a piece of toilet paper to the ray of sunlight near your window and give it a quick flick with the finger and see how much paper dust comes out of it and imagine those dusty residues entering your anus and private parts to be absorbed by the body and what effect it'll have on the body over time. If the sky falls tomorrow I rather have a belly full of food and water with a dirty bum than have a squeaky clean bottom but a starving and thirsty body. Matt lee | ||
Markv Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 08-2008 |
Oh boy. Well, the toilet paper thing is a combination of herd mentality, fear of scarcity, and also people buying it to re-sell at higher prices. Stores & online marketplaces are clamping down on the re-selling though last I heard. Everybody might also want to start thinking about future food supply sources, and alternate places near you that are safe (and a bit more secluded). Perhaps stock up on & begin planting seeds, read up on or think about edible wild plants in your area (Dandelions, wild onions, tree nuts, etc), perhaps get some bags of potatoes or other root vegetables for planting, moringa seeds etc. (Moringa trees can grow quickly and even be planted as annuals, but can also be prepared to survive winters depending upon the area in which you live. The "thesurvivalgardener" website has a page dedicated to this info.) Also think of water supply sources. The moringa seeds can also be used as a floculant when filtering water. Although basic filtering and then boiling may make the water in your area potable - but perhaps read up on basic distillation concepts as well. Think about sources of protein - and possibly getting comfortable with the idea of eating insects. It may not be a bad idea to look into cooking methods for those if it grosses you out too much. Basic food preservation methods would be useful info as well. Perhaps even watch/rewatch some survival shows (Survivorman, etc). It never hurts to be prepared. Joshua | ||
Felinity Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 09-2019 |
I value everyone's comments here on the toilet paper situation. There are many pregnant women in my county. What if the quarantines become the law of the land? I love studying Billy Meier, Plejaran and Spiritual Teaching materials, but I am realizing that I have to add labor and delivery. Recently I found out a neighbor of mine is pregnant. I don't recognize her at all. She looks like 6 months along. Again, it's fine for me to add OB/GYN to my studies, but I'm worried about the safety of mother and child if she has no way of getting to our nearest hospital. | ||
Markv Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 08-2008 |
Felinity, I've just been reading some articles that Billy wrote which you (and others here) may find applicable in these situations: (Assuming that it's okay to link these here) The human being has to be concerned about his/her own affairs, not about others affairs http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-human-being-has-to-be-concerned.html The human being has to free him/herself from everything that burdens him/her http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/2018/04/the-human-being-has-to-free-him-herself.html |
