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Mosaki
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 01-2015
| | Posted on Sunday, March 22, 2020 - 10:41 pm: | 
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Hi Matt,
I couldn't agree more about your comment regarding Japan. They are totally cooking the books. It's so disappointing to see these governments lying about this virus and the danger it poses -- all in the name of money and the economy.
I understand the economic devastation and the ensuing panic it will cause, but there has to be a better way than lying about the true number of cases and deaths. They treat us like we are imbeciles that can't handle the truth. I'm tired of those in charge who think that we aren't owed the truth. It's so insulting and disgusting. Holding a leadership role does make one superior to the rest of the population, at least it shouldn't.
Salome,
Melissa Osaki
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1228
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, March 23, 2020 - 04:04 pm: |
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Dear Moderators - Please replace my previous article 1227 with the one below - Thank you:
Hi Kenneth,
It may be the assumption that children, as they often do not show many symptoms of the disease, may as well not be infectious, and based on this (as we know from Ptaah) wrong assumption want to create a lower peak (stretching out the curve) of CV19 cases by exposing the "low risk" children to the virus.
But as the Chinese top medical experts explained a week ago - on the basis of their CV19 experience:
The virus is much too lethal and infectious for trying the “get infected to establish herd immunity" method, adding that it is not even clear whether a person is immune for life if he was infected once (there were cases in China and Japan of people catching the virus a second time.
What should be done is –
1. There should be a CV19 conference at the UN at which all nations declare their solidarity to combat the virus with measures for all countries (e.g. world wide the same shutdown period etc.)
2. Moreover the medical experts of world's nations should meet and discuss what research should be carried out to combat the virus.
3.These tasks should then be allocated to scientists of the various nations on our planet.
(Not that out of greed – everyone wants to produce the vaccine – and none researches other related points that need to be clarified.
Some samples that come to mind:
- When infected children (that show no symptoms) breathe, do they release in their breath droplet vapour the CV, too?
- Find out the incubation time of CV cases:
This could be done by regularly (e.g. every 2 days) testing the same great no of people from a country that has many CV cases (Italy, Spain, US, Germany, France) - form those that are foud to have the virus wait and count the days untils symptoms show
(I think this knowledge would greatly help to increase the danger times and quarantine periods)
Because this pandemic is not about infecting children to create herd immunity.
But it is to use the power of knowledge of our planet’s scientists – by getting them to work together as one team.
This unity is the crucial element to win over the virus !
Salome, Bill
*) It is good to see some news footage of people doing the shopping for the elderly (for which shopping is much more dangerous)!
I mean, thoughts are creative.
And the greedy little virus - it mirrors as well the many thoughts of human greed in our world.
So caring for the disadvantaged elderly, this human love, it is as well an ingredient to overcome this "greedy little monster" .
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Re. the masks …
You are right - they do not protect at all. But perhaps, if everyone would have to wear them (like it was done in China) then perhaps those who (unknowingly) carry the virus (without showing any symptoms, yet), would less pollute the air?
As mentioned – instead of all nations running for the lucrative CV vaccine – there are so many other questions to clarify and should be put under the microscope by our world’s scientists … the quicker the better! |
Hugo
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Post Number: 820
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Monday, March 23, 2020 - 04:24 pm: |
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Contact Report 251
"A lung disease will also break out in humans through the guilt of China, where bioweapons are being researched and a carelessness is releasing pathogens."
Why is the "guilt" word in there if it was accidentally released? Could this mean that when it was accidentally released in China, China decided to spread it around the world so that China was not the only nation affected (financially) by it? |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 3051
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, March 23, 2020 - 06:06 pm: |
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Hugo,
Here is the German:
Auch eine Lungenkrank- heit wird bei den Menschen ausbrechen, und zwar durch die Schuld Chinas, wo Biowaffen erforscht werden und durch eine Unvorsichtigkeit Erreger frei werden.
The word "Schuld" can also be translated as fault, blame or culpability... |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1229
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, March 23, 2020 - 06:00 pm: |
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Some interesting China CV stats from today’s Guardian:
1) Ca. 5 to 10 % of recovered CV patients in Wuhan tested later positive again:
If true, it would indicate that the "Herd Immunity" strategy does not work.
2) There could be a great no of asymptomatic CV cases in our world:
E.g. by the end of Feb more than 43,000 Chinese tested positive for CV19 but did not show any symptoms
As China does not include these cases in its tally – if one would add them on to the recorded ca. 80,000 (ca. 80,000 + 43,000 = 123,000) – it would mean that - worldwide - there could be more than one third of healthy looking people that have the Corona Virus.
The big question being "Are these asymptomatic CV carriers infectious?"
As the Plejaren information does not differentiate between asymptomatic and other CV infections and even warns that children may be the hidden spreaders they may well be.
It is one of the important questions that could save many lives. Our scientists should scientifically (large scale study) prove and publish their answer to this question.
As should be done in relation to many other questions that affect a large no. of people.
E.g. as many households have a pet:
Can a dog that sniffs a CV infected patch, can a cat or cockroach that walks over a CV infected patch and then licks its paws/legs - can animals and insects get infected and transmit the disease to humans?
The Plejaren tell us that dogs and cats, beetles and cockroaches can transmit the disease..
But for those not yet accepting their assistance it should be scientifically verified.
There are so many questions that benefit mankind that our scientists could solve - and at the same time prove the validity of Ptaah's and BEAM's well intended advice! When our MSM acknowledges that - then our world is on its way to peace...!
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1115
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Monday, March 23, 2020 - 06:49 pm: |
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Hugo,
It’s my understanding that “guilt” in this context means “the fault/cause of or by way of”. This, in my opinion does not have anything to do with remorse, shame, etc.
Where I grew up, the work guilt could have a double meaning, depending how it was used in a sentence.
Kenneth |
Tat_tvam_asi
Member
Post Number: 1230
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, March 23, 2020 - 07:02 pm: |
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Hugo
The answer is a definite "No".
And Scott is right - German's do use the word "Schuld" as well to express that someone made an inadvertent mistake.
The very origin of the virus may well be a different source than the one you expect.
But as BEAM cannot mention more or mention any sources - neither should we …
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Hugo
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Post Number: 821
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Monday, March 23, 2020 - 07:46 pm: |
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Thanks Scott! |
Cpl
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Post Number: 1225
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 23, 2020 - 08:15 pm: |
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Accidents happen due to carelessness, and therein lies the guilt.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2252
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 23, 2020 - 10:08 pm: |
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Hi Melissa I totally understand where you are coming from and feel how you feel and I really don't know how to actually describe it in words at the level of recklessness and sheer evil behind it all.
I know for a fact that these false leaders suffer from brain damage and they are in essence damaged goods.
So divorced from their own humanity and overrun with ambition, their world of thoughts and feeling must run on self aggrandizing high octane fuel with added combustibles.
They must be self loathing misanthrope hating every bit about themselves and humans beings in general for what they do and don't represent.
They must hate human weakness because they were once weak and humiliated.
They must love other people to suffer as they once suffered.
Triumphant as a made it person they must now see everyone as beneath them, an expendable vermins they can crush at any time with their might and power.
They can do whatever they like because they can and they will.
This kind of mindset, I think, enables one to totally disregard the welfare of another human being to be able to make such despicable and inhumane decisions that they do without blinking an eye.
This Abe dude and his cabinet should be tried for crimes against humanity at the Hague and be given the Rudolf Hess treatment.
Deadlosses are voted in all the time because people are still at that level so no use blaming this guy only as it takes two to tango.
As for this coronavirus pandemic its a lesson the global community needed to have as they must realise how fragile life is and as a living being as the microcosm within the macrocosm everything is joined at the hips.
Sadly though once this pandemic is over most people will once again forget about it and revert back to their old ways.
This is why only a sustained onslaught of one catastrophe after another and then another that directly affects everyone will be the only vehicle by which humanity will be steered in the right direction through the natural forces that forces their hand.
Only then will they have a rude awakening.
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2253
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, March 23, 2020 - 10:48 pm: |
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Hugo this is just my interpretation of it and may not be correct but it goes like this.
The Chinese are at fault.
Why?
Well because that power hungry scum of a president Xi covered it up for many months
Why?
For the obvious political reasons.
Why?
So as not to be culpable and to shirk blame
Why?
If the masses were to find out that he wasn't in control of the crisis they would doubt his credibility and the legitimacy of the CCP not to mention the fact that a secret bio weapons program creating these dangerous viruses were being conducted under the noses of the citizens and had the potential of being exposed and with it garnering the wrath of the masses.
So what could've changed the outcome?
By him being truthful and honest and coming out with the news the moment he heard the news that an outbreak had occurred.
What could've resulted from his honesty?
Very fast and rapid containment of this pandemic and with it being able to save many lives and stop a global pandemic.
So what don't you still hear about on the mainstream news?
The true origin of this virus, the true purpose of the creation of this virus, who initiated this covert program, how it lead to this global pandemic and why its still stealthily covered up.
Where do we go from here?
Well the masses will never find out why this covert bio weapons research program was even being conducted in the first place and for what purposes nor will the global community therefore it'll remain a secret between those who were actually involved and they will take it to their graves but in the mean time the international community will suffer just as they did during the SARS pandemic which was also part of the covert program.
So the Chinese are definitely at fault because it was the Chinese in China who've created this virus in collaboration with the US university.
Matt lee |
Tat_tvam_asi
Member
Post Number: 1232
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, March 23, 2020 - 10:53 pm: |
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Dear Moderators pls. replace the mail I just send with the one below – thank you.
Apropos the “the greedy little monster” mirroring a world of greed …
The food prices … they showed on the net -
Ginger $79.99 / kg
Broccoli $12.90 / kg
1 Lettuce $5.50
Tomatoes $9.90 / kg
Matt – is this true – could this be Sydney ?
I mean if people lose their job income - such price increases?
Bill
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1233
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 12:13 pm: |
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Hi Matt,
The president that you mention is well respected by his people. For his stand against corruption in politics. And as well for his resolute, strict and successful handling of the CV crisis which, given the immense and dense population, is nothing but remarkable As is his decision to help others most in need to overcome the crisis sending medical supplies and doctors to Italy, Iran etc.
The Chinese world is a different world.
Firstly and most importantly -
It has never been a world of trying to enslave / colonize foreign nations.Not in the thousands of years before our time. Not now – not in the future. Yes, it will defend its land and people. But not more.
Clearly, if we look in the mirror, we may find that it is those who attacked and conquered that cannot but expect others to attack and conquer them, too.
Secondly …
There is a deep understanding of being part of a large population, a people that can only be held together with everyone doing his duty – This image has been formed over thousands of years - It may well have been formed in that time of overpopulation that was before they came to our planet.
Thirdly …
No matter their many differences – their being rich or poor - all the Chinese people feel like one big family. All know that true success comes from unity not individualism. That happiness and success is the unity in their extended families, their city, their province and their whole country.
Fourthly…
The Confucian spirit of loyalty towards their ruler is deeply engraved in their mind.
They are not used to discuss politics or rebel against authority - as is the given in the western world. There is a deep trust that their leaders will do what is good for the country. And that what is good for the country will as well be good for them.
And this is all so clear to them that they do not question it.
Just as many in the western world when they defend democracy and freedom of speech but never question if it truly happens. Never ask if it really is the people’s(demos) will that rules (kratos), never ask whether their media truly is free and reports the truth. And they are silent when it comes to those that are punished for revealing hidden crimes.
Just a thought …. to bring about a balance to what you said.
Bill |
Str0323
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Post Number: 82
Registered: 02-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 08:41 pm: |
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Hello Bill. How did you come to all those conclusions in your post 1233? As I search for the truth, I want to understand why your explanations of certain things makes me think you're biased in some way. I'm not saying you are, however, maybe I am? Does the Chinese ruler of the human beings there allow them to evolve their consciousness and spirit on their own?
Salome, Scott. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2254
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - 11:05 pm: |
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Bill I am not exactly sure about those particular prices but yes there is definitely a price hike due to panic buying which is outstripping supply on top of Australia having gone through the unprecedented bushfire season which has made certain items more scarce and therefore nore expensive.
Yeah I agree people seem to get greedy especially in desperate times where they think that it gives them some sort of green light to exploit the hell out of it instead of going the other way for humanitarian concerns.
The current free market capitalistic system of maximization of profit with minimum input model definitely brings out the worst in people especially when profit is the be all end all of people's aim and purpose.
So many social and societal problems result from this especially with the growing population
There is no humanity in this system which is why good people end up homeless, dispossessed and disenfranchised whilst the nasty sociopathic and psychopathic types thrive and prosper.
Thanks for bringing some neutral positive balance to the discussion regarding your post 1233 and I must say it was beautifully put and for which I agree with on the whole.
Though neutral negative balanced (my term) speaking whatever the culture and tradition the Chinese practise and live by, the universal sense of right and justice trumps it or should trump it.
What Xi has done is inexcusable.
His actions and decisions have led to the death of many thousands of innocent human beings.
Imagine if one of the victim was your family member.
He as the leader of a nation vested with enormous powers have the power over life and death.
With great power come enormous responsibilities.
He has knowingly put his own people in harms way and inadvertently put the international community also in harms way.
His decision to cover up this coronavirus outbreak has led to millions in destitution, permanent injury, slow and fast death, mass unemployment, homelessness, starvation, economic meltdown, bankruptcies, drastic curtailment of billion's of people's freedoms, lack of mobility, loss of millions of people income, psychological trauma, social suspicion, mistrust between people, inconvenience, billions being homebound, social isolation, anxieties, mass toilet paper hysteria, panic buying, drastic changes in billions of people's lifestyle, mass loss of people's wealth and savings, diminished millions of people's physical and psychological health etc.
How would anybody be able to justify the consequences of his action with culture and tradition.
I've been to China myself but from my observation of one aspect of its culture people were too busy trying to fleece other people's money and trying to take advantage of other people over a buck that you'd be forgiven for thinking that that itself was the Chinese culture although there is more to it than that.
Matt lee |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1234
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 - 09:12 am: |
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Matt / Scott
You are right. There is no doubt that this virus has caused and is causing a great many deaths and immense suffering.
But is it not only fair that what one allows for oneself that it should be the same what he allows for others?
1.
When we judge, we should judge the whole world with equality.
So, when it happened in China, there was no pre-knowledge of how severe this virus may be.
But many other governments in our world, they had this knowledge, could see the danger, knew the deaths it caused – but they still did nothing - to protect their economy...
It would be fair to acknowledge that they had – different to China – the advantage of knowing how severe this pandemic was.
Yet they, too - “waited too long” - until it was "too late".
2.
It is very doubtful whether this virus could have been easily contained.
This virus is completely different to SARS or MERS – it is much more contagious and deceptively so:
When we use the Chinese stats – there were some 80,000 cases with symptoms and some 43,000 without symptoms.
And it is this more than a third of CV cases that “carries the virus without knowing” that may have unwittingly infected many others – in China and all over the world. Even in countries so far away that one thinks they would be immune against the virus – Even their CV case nos. accelerated – first slowly, then steadily, then faster and faster.
So, in my thinking - once the virus was out of the bio-lab, it was on its way – unstoppable - no matter what.
3.
There was no wilfulness.
The government was NOT involved and did not know.
4.
And finally - there are many “death factories” in this world.
The many and much more deadly bio labs in many countries*).
The stockpiles of nuclear weapons.
And so many nuclear power plants.
They all are extremely dangerous – They all wait for an accident to happen.
Yes, Matt … this is as well my view -
“… we are all in this together and there is no escaping this fact.”
Salome, Bill
*)
We could question ….
Whose technology was this virus really – How it 'came' to C. etc.
But it may be better not to discuss this... |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2255
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 - 10:10 pm: |
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Those are very valid and good points that you have made Bill
Who knows what the truth is exactly since this is hushed up but given that its a bio weapons lab its inconceivable that some senior members of the CCP didn't know what was going on although the whole of the CCP government wasn't involved it is only logical to assume that some highly compartmentalised section of the Chinese military industrial complex was overseen by some of the higher bureaucratic members of the CCP for which this covert bio weapons program was but one of its constituents.
So its hard to envisage present Xi not finding out eventually after first reports of people dropping dead like flies everywhere was reported to him and how it came about and where.
The Chinese would've been the first to sustain casualties which was in Wuhan where the first lot of infections took place so they of all countries would've had the most time to react and to do something about it at its ealier phase of the coronavirus outbreak not to mention having done a thorough forensics to determine the origin of this outbreak.
The CCP I would imagine isn't stupid in these matters given how orwelian their mass surveillance system has become in recent decades with sophisticated face recognition CCTV everywhere not to mention having Wechatted over a billion of its citizens so news travels very fast indeed.
Given what the plejaren had stated as China being the guilty party or those who are at fault I am leaning towards the Chinese as being the people who were responsible for this pandemic for surely the two microbiologist who carelessly spread this virus by not knowing that they were infected must've been Chinese as afterall it was in China in a Chinese run bioweapons lab which had initially spread this virus so I don't think you could apportion blame on anyone else in so much as who initially created this problem in the first place.
But yes we are all involved but some more than others in regards to this coronavirus outbreak.
I agree that the official waited too long whether it was WHO, the CCP, governments around the world, UN, CDC etc.
I am still sending the plejaren info to the UN and visiting their website to see if there are any changes to their coronavirus outbreak updates.
Nothing yet.
why the UN?
They are collaborating with WHO on this matter so I hope the info filters out to WHO soon.
Matt lee |
Norm
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Post Number: 193
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 12:43 pm: |
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Scott, That's good news. Thanks for posting that. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 3053
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 01:01 pm: |
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Your welcome Norm, |
Hugo
Member
Post Number: 823
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 02:15 pm: |
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Scott, thanks for posting that too!
One question though. Given all the enormous stock market crashes, unlimited money printing, all the job losses already lost and still coming everyday and the great scarcity of commodities, this certainly looks like the dreaded financial collapse and depression that eclipses the 1929 one that Meier foretold could come. How can Meier say don't worry about financial issues as well as advise to invest our money where we have done before when everything is crashing big time? |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 2256
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2020 - 08:30 pm: |
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Everyone knows that manuka honey is great as it has antiviral and antibacterial properties.
The higher the rating the better preferrable number 16.
What if the substance in this particular Kiwi honey can kill coronavirus by breathing it in when infected.
What if by diluting it in warm water and breathing in the steam containing this honey kills the coronavirus that is attacking your lungs.
What if by smearing this manuka honey over your paper mask does it do the job of fending off potential infection?
What if smearing this honey over your chest fights the coronavirus as it is absorbed by the body through the pores?
What if this honey is aerosolized and can be nasal sprayed with a nasal pump or through bronchodilators?
What if this stuff actually works?
Matt lee |
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