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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1122
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2020 - 11:23 am: | 
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For what is's worth:
I’ve informed my wife (SSS) about much of the information regarding COVID-19 posted on the FIGU site, including information from Billy and the Plejaren; she often looks at me with a jaundiced eye; nonetheless, in time most of the information appears on the news, confirming what was previously said.
SSS is employed by one of the major airlines in the U.S., working behind the scene with a group of 62 others in a bull-pen type of setting, they are helping other airport employees with an assortment of passenger issues, worldwide.
With the knowledge of the truth (from FIGU, Billy & the P’s), around March 7, 2020, SSS found out that due to the free or greatly reduced flying benefits of the airline employees, many were still flying not only within the U.S. but also in and out of various other countries, seeing the sights as tourists usually do. Then these flyers come back to the department to go back to work; some with coughing issues.
Due to the COVID-19 matter, my wife went to her supervisor and explained the situation; the supervisor was not aware of the flyers traveling the world and returning to the workplace. SSS told her supervisor that due to this non-compliance recommendations, she will not work in her department because others are being so inconsiderate and thoughtless of others health. SSS took a leave of absence on March 7th and has not yet returned to work.
Kenneth |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2272
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2020 - 01:50 pm: |
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Thank you for your concern Bill much appreciated.
My colleague is in a different department/section but they work closely with ours and cross interact with one another face to face very frequently from a different part of the premise.
To a virus it would be a dream come true as it knows no borders nor race.
I don't blame the colleague as he was even encouraged to come back as we are so busy with so much to do with not enough time besides he has to take care of his family too and probably doesn't know as much about the virus other than what he hears about on the mainstream news.
Technically he has done no wrong as he did follow the guidelines set by the depart of health.
We follow the guidelines of social distancing as best as we can but going to the restroom and taking a smoko or lunch break throws this out of the window completely as the cubicles in the toilet and wash basins are right next to each other as you can imagine and when you gotta go you really do have to go as you can't suck it in anymore waiting for others to finish plus the aircons are centralised which makes it even worse not to mention narrow alleyways leading to an fro different rooms with many hidden spots and corners so you don't know who is going to pop out of the corner or who is in the restroom.
Its just a matter of when and not if before someone else is infected.
The higher ups are not taking this as seriously as they should as they are consumed by other priorities thats deemed more important than the COVID-19 which is treated like any other flu.
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2273
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2020 - 02:20 pm: |
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Hi Kenneth I think your wife did the smart thing and good for her for looking after herself, others and her family with that decision.
Unfortunately for some of us that option is not available as we are just too flat out with so much to do and not enough time.
As soon as we heard about the infection we were contemplating on that option and we would've taken it in a heartbeat if we didn't think that we would've lost our jobs over it but we expected the management or the department of health to do the right thing to shut us down temporarily and issue a self isolation and quarantine directive for everyone but it didn't happen for us and life had to go on as usual and so it did.
We are just going to suck it up, keep our distance, do what we are paid to do and get the hell outta there once its over for the day ready to do it again the next day.
As reckless as it is given what I know sometimes you just gotta take the good with the bad and just learn to live based on what the situation brings and make the most of it and live with the consequences of one's own decisions for the better or for the worse as life isn't without risks.
The positive side to all this is that unlike million of other people around the world we have a job to go to each day to enable ourselves to take care of ourselves and our family and get a wicked laugh out of taking the piss out of my fellow colleagues and visa versa.
Matt lee |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 3069
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2020 - 08:36 pm: |
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Matt,
Are you able to wear any type of protection while on the job? |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2274
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2020 - 05:15 am: |
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Yes Scott I wear a mask and so do my colleagues.
Matt lee |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1278
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2020 - 07:39 am: |
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- COVID-19 – Transmission via Pets and Farm Animals
US: 90 Million Dogs / ca. 94 Million Cats / ca. 70 million pigs / 95 Million Cows / 9 Million Horses / ??? Rodents
We know that Ptaah warned that
"…all genera and species of mammalian organisms are susceptible to this virus and can therefore be affected by it, and in particular domestic animals such as dogs and cats can contribute to the spread of the disease, as can all other mammals such as cattle, horses and pigs, rodents, etc.".
But that any animal infected by a virus or bacteria may infect Earth humans or other animals - this forewarning was already given by Quetzal to Billy … on Nov 9, 1989:
(My translation may contain mistakes)
401.This, too, is correct, because in fact there are no genera and subspecies of bacteria, nor any viruses that live on or in life forms other than man, that could not break through the species barrier and jump over to other life forms and thus also to man.
402 Especially in the future, this fact will lead to many new epidemics for the Earth human being, whereby then unfortunately also worldwide epidemics are bound to happen.
German Original
401. Auch das ist von Richtigkeit, denn tatsächlich gibt es keine Bakteriengattungen und Unterarten, wie auch keinerlei Viren, die auf oder in anderen Lebensformen als dem Menschen leben, die nicht die Artenbarriere durchbrechen und auf andere Lebensformen und somit auch auf den Menschen überspringen könnten.
402. Besonders in zukünftiger Zeit wird diese Tatsache zu mancherlei neuen Seuchen beim Erdenmenschen führen, wobei dann leider auch weltweit Epidemien zu befürchten sein werden. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1279
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2020 - 07:48 am: |
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"Epidemics From Space"
Something to consider when “Mining the Moon” ...
403 Apart from this, there is also the danger in the coming time of the introduction of diseases and epidemics from space, when materials from other planets and other moons, from asteroids and comets and from clouds of matter are collected, captured and brought to earth.
German Original
403. Nebst dem besteht in kommender Zeit auch die Gefahr der Einschleppung von Krankheiten und Seuchen aus dem Weltenraum, wenn Materialien von anderen Planeten sowie von anderen Monden, von Asteroiden sowie Kometen und von Materiewolken gesammelt, eingefangen und zur Erde gebracht werden.
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_231 (CR231:403)
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1280
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2020 - 11:04 am: |
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“THE RIGHT OF LIFE…”
This is what many constitutions in our world tell us:
“…that all men are endowed with certain unalienable Rights – among these are the right of LIFE ….”
And this is what the WHO website tells us re. COVID-19*):
„ … According to the WHO the incubation period is on average 5-6 days, however it can be up to 14 days. During this pre-symptomatic period some infected persons can be infectious…In a small no of cases of case reports and studies, pre-symptomatic transmissions have been documented through contact tracing efforts …This is supported by data that some people can test positive 1-3 days before the develop systems. Thus it is possible that people infected with COVID-19 could transmit the virus before significant symptoms develop.
… There are few reports of laboratory-confirmed cases who are truly asymptomatic, and to date there has been no documented asymptomatic transmission. That does not include the possibility that it may occur. Asymptomatic cases have been reported as part of contract tracing efforts in some countries.
WHO regularly monitors all emerging evidence about this critical topic and will provide an update as more information becomes available….”
“In a small no of cases…” –
There no figures mentioned in this report - no large scale data figure - to back up any of the assumed periods (incubation, contagion etc.) and nos (asymptomatic people etc)
And guess what?
Not one of those high-paid “health experts”, which TV stations, newspapers and lawmakers refer to for their “expert advice” would ever question what the WHO tells them:
So all countries - they all have 14 day quarantine periods. 14 days no symptoms - and you are healthy. The 'NewScientist' will tell you “appear to be” “most contagious” 15 hours before symptoms show… and this is what most governments go by!
Not one of them that stirs up the G20, the WHO the scientists associations worldwide – not one of them that pushes for a co-ordination of all scientists researching, working as a team – sharing their workload evenly – for mutual benefit. Instead there are some 50 or so aiming for the lucrative vaccine. Forgetting that there are so many other questions to be solved as well.
Which is - to collect data – on a large scale data - in a major virus hotspot (e.g. like NYC)
to verify:
- The no of days the incubation period of an infected person lasts
(in which he/she does not show yet any symptoms)
- from when to when a person is contagious
- for how long a person is contagious still after having recovered
- whether the breath of infected children is really not contagious
- how many adults are really symptomatic and how many are asymptomatic
- how many infected children are really symptomatic and how many are asymptomatic
etc. etc.
Yes, it would entail some effort - to test day by day – say 20,000 people and compile the findings. But hey - this 30 – 40 day effort – it would save so many lives!
People that have to die – because they were - unwittingly - infected by others who were deemed “healthy” released as healthy from a much too short quarantine.
The many that came and come from foreign countries – the many that they infect and the chain reaction that results from these infections.
And all because no-one of those that make the rules for many, and those professionals that advise them - were able to stand up for what is simple common sense:
To ask for a large scientific research of COVID-19 cases.
Because the necessary knowledge for a pandemic that affects all mankind – it should be based on a the very best research - on a scale that is adequate – adequate to provide a judgement of value – one that truly assists humanity!
How little the dignity of human life in our world -! -
Please correct me if my thinking is wrong because I do not want to judge wrongly.
Salome, Bill
*)
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200402-sitrep-73-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=5ae25bc7_2
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1281
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, April 13, 2020 - 07:09 am: |
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Testing for COVID-19
How actually do our medical experts test for the COVID-19 virus?
My first thought was they would test the breath of people to see whether it contains the virus.
I mean, if Chinese researchers found SARS CoV-2 in the air 4 m off a patient (Huoshenshan Hospital /Wuhan), scientists should be able to detect the virus in a person’s breath, one would think.
A second way that seems reliable could be the Mayo Clinic’s PCR test – taking an upper respiratory specimen (a nasopharyngeal (= nose – throat/windpipe) swab) to test for the viral RNA *) ?
But according to the COVID-19 info on the net – they seem to indicate that the virus is undetectable unless symptoms show.
- Christine Selvey medical Epidemiologist Australia:
“.. soon after being infected the tests are negative…until when someone will develop symptoms….”
Q: “How do scientists know someone is infected if the tests are negative?”)
- The CDC: In the early stages of infection, it is possible that the virus will not be detected…. People “are thought to be” most contagious when they are symptomatic ….
Q: Again – how do they know it is early stages of infection when they cannot detect the virus?
At least the CDC added “it is possible that” … but this and the phrase “are thought to be” most contagious … it points to an uncertain, possibly inaccurate knowledge that is applied day by day – that may be wrong and cost many human lives.
The Government of Canada website honestly tells its readers “it is not known to what extent…pre-symptomatic and a-symptomatic people infect others:
"….Recent evidence suggests that the virus can be transmitted from someone who is infected but shows no symptoms to others. These include people who have not yet developed symptoms (are pre-symptomatic) or never develop symptoms (are asymptomatic). Although experts know that this type of transmission among people takes place in close contact or in close physical environments, 'it is not known to what extent' …"
- MHRA/England – I could only find the criteria for companies developing kits for rapid tests based on blood samples
(maybe to check for antigen and antibodies that the immune system produces in response to the virus attack)
My insight - so far:
The answers to very important questions - when does a person’s infection start? - when is he/she contagious?
they are not very clear and maybe our scientists are not able to clarify them, either.
In detail:
- Can terrestrial scientists detect the SARS CoV-2 infection immediately?
- Can they detect from when on a person is contagious by checking his/her breath? (Or is there a better way?)
- Are the immune system’s antigen/antibodies in the blood immediately produced and detectable in the human blood?
(= Do antigen/antibody tests reliably indicate the start of a CV infection?)
Would anyone know the answers? Or - perhaps - could Billy ask Ptaah?
Salome, Bill
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*)RNA is a chain of nucleotides = similar to DNA – but DNA has 2 strands – RNA only one folded (onto itself) strand
Many) Viruses (incl. SARS CoV-2) encode their genetic information using an RNA genome
^) nucleus = little nut (centre (kernel) of a nut
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Hugo
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Post Number: 834
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Monday, April 13, 2020 - 10:46 pm: |
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Tat_tvam_asi,
I think the Chinese method of testing for it is the best way so far. They simply test by doing a CT scan of the lungs. When a person has the virus it shows up in their lungs even before they show any symptoms of having it. I posted how they do it a month ago -
Also, even if someone survives getting coronavirus, they still have permanent damage done to their lungs. This permanent damage happens before a person even starts to show the symptoms and feeling sick after getting it. The permanent damage has already been done. There is a toxicologist that has a popular Youtube channel called "Peak Prosperity". Watch the video below at the 10:30 mark for that proof.
Peak Prosperity
Chloroquine: A Promising Coronavirus Treatment? |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2275
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, April 13, 2020 - 11:36 pm: |
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Hi Bill this article by Forbes is interesting and it may answer some of your questions that is impossible to answer by non-experts.
How One Firm's Covid-19 Tests Help Control The Virus In South Korea.
'While other tests look for the presence of antibodies, Seegene’s uses what’s called a polymerase chain reaction to spot the virus present in body fluids before antibodies form. Such molecular diagnostics—in contrast to older immunodiagnostics—are faster and more accurate, Chun says. It also means people infected with Covid-19 can be spotted before they show any symptoms.
Matt lee |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1282
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 06:34 am: |
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Smart Phone Apps For COVID-19 Contact Tracing
There are several smart phone apps that could assist in tracing origin of new SARS CoV-2 infection – if everybody participates:
Its working mechanism -
1. All participating members must register their participation
2. They must agree to notify the app if they fall ill with COVID-19
3. If that happens the app will check the GPS locations where the infected member was
4. It will then search which other participating members were at these (or close-by) locations, too
5. If the app finds a match they will notify the matching member[s]
(that they had been in close contact with a person that now tested positive for the virus)
If many people register, this app will ease contact tracing and allow for the targeted COVID-19-testing of people and early location of potential virus hotspots.
A connecting after-thought …
“Each thought creates its time and environment…”
The mentioned GPS app greatly helps contact tracing in China, where everyone has to register: people are allocated a green, yellow or red status – and their movement (access to public transport / shops etc) is correspondingly monitored.
This “monitoring” may not be everybody’s “cup of tea”. E.g. the worldview of western society is traditionally much more individualised, i.e. individual interests and needs often dominate those that are socially imposed.
The Chinese thought of family and country is different. Due to their long-term propensity (e.g. overpopulation of their ancestors(the creator overlords), then on Kudra, then on Nisan, then on Earth) – it may have formed different genes, making them more willing to follow Confucian thinking and the rules of their leaders.
Many human thinkers, politicians and writers have stressed these differences between the East and West.
But the global nature of this pandemic – it tells all humans on this planet to unite. To self-reflect, focus on the very core of their human being, and help each other and work together – irrespective of their differences:
CR (731:14) "Earth humanity consists of a single race and therefore not of several of them, as is generally assumed. The terrestrial humanity therefore corresponds worldwide to a single genus, which is called man, but which is divided into various species and which derive from [are correlated to] each other organically and structurally, as well as in all species spread worldwide, which correspond to the genus Omedam.”
It is no accident that Ptaah mentions this aspect of oneness in his advice for Earth humanity.
We are all in this, together.
We will only master this pandemic with a spirit of unity and understanding.
Just as Billy advised – mankind should act in unison - combat the virus by introducing the same measures – worldwide*).
Because the virus – it attacks people – not nations.
And no nuclear weapon can stop it …
Salome, Bill
*) Billy April 9, 2020: "All countries should implement a complete lockdown for at least 3 - 8 Months ... Which [should] include [the] businesses .... Then only we will have a chance against the virus ...."
German Original [My translation may contain mistakes]
(CR731:14) Die Erdenmenschheit besteht aus einer einzigen Rasse und also nicht aus deren mehreren, wie allgemein angenommen wird. Die Erdenmenschheit entspricht damit weltweit einer einzigen Gattung, die als Mensch bezeichnet wird, die jedoch in diverse Arten aufgespalten ist und die sich untereinander organisch-strukturell ebenso voneinander ableiten, wie auch in allen weltweit verbreiteten Arten, die gesamthaft der Gattung Omedam resp. Mensch entsprechen. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2276
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 09:42 am: |
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Can you be COVID 19 negative once you become infected with it?
Logic tells me otherwise as once you get it, it stays with you for life unless advances in medical science can somehow totally eliminate it out of your body by way of totally destroying any remnant of the virus through vibrational and oscillation beaming devices such as what the Plejaren and Timmars have.
Also since there are no known cure I find it befitting to give Boris Johnston, who has been tested COVID 19 negative after being discharged from the hospital, an academia award for best actor.
I wonder if pulling the heartstrings of his citizens for sympathy vote can absolve him and his cabinet of his disastrous handling of this crisis through his playacting as a COVID 19 sufferer.
How morally despicable that whilst his citizens are dying in droves he can somehow even contemplate such a lowlife intrigue in such a time as this.
Its a NOGO BOJO!
Matt lee |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1283
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 09:44 am: |
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Thank you, Hugo - Thank you, Matt.
I had always advocated large scale tests. But when I read Christine Selvey's comment -
“.. soon after being infected the tests are negative…until when someone will develop symptoms….”
- I thought maybe these tests are not possible for our scientists.
From the methods that you mentioned, however, this should be possible.
Your info is of great help. Thank you again.
Salome, Bill |
Kiwiseeker
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Post Number: 177
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 09:31 pm: |
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Billy write:
*All countries should implement complete lockdown for at least 3 – 8
months.
*If people are illogical, then the economy will collapse.
It is difficult to reconcile these 2 statements. With most businesses closed & the govt handing out billions of dollars already,the economy will be in tatters. Also,people will quickly reach a point of not being able to take any more. In NZ after 3 weeks lockdown we have 9 deaths (all over 70 & mainly in rest home clusters,about 1,400 testing positive & about 5 in an ICU.On Monday the govt will inform us as to what will happen beyond 4 weeks. Australia has a partial lockdown (which seems to be working)-is that being logical? It would be idealistic to imagine that society should undergo a revolutionary change. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1284
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 01:28 am: |
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German Survey re. CV-Contact Tracing Via Smart Phone App
According to a survey, a majority of German citizens would install an app for CV contact tracing (app to anonymously record who is in the immediate vicinity of a person who has the SARS CoV-2) .
A representative survey showed that 56.1 percent of those questioned were open to the use of such an app.
In contrast, just under a quarter of those surveyed (24.2 percent) categorically ruled out the use of the app.
The greatest concerns for citizens were potential surveillance even after the Corona crisis (42.8 percent) and misuse of data (40.2 percent). Almost one in three had concerns about the violation of their privacy (32.8 percent) and/or excessive state control (31.7 percent). |
Kiwiseeker
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Post Number: 178
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 03:11 am: |
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First it was an app,then it became an inserted chip. It seems to me like treading on the edge of the slippery slope. The masses are easily led astray and manipulated. At the moment because of the coronavirus,cash is regarded as dirty-it always has been I suppose! When I went into a bank recently,they reluctantly gave me cash-in fact it was like entering Fort Knox-3 security guards! At a supermarket only one checkout accepts cash at the moment. Ther are slippery slopes everywhere! |
Aristea
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 06-2019
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 06:52 am: |
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I think that the problem with using an app to track people is that the virus is so unstable that many who are infected with it show no symptoms at all, so that we can run into people who are asymptomatic and be carriers, and they can infect us. . . . people who fall under the radar, so to speak. I don't think such an app would be very useful in the long run.
Has anybody noticed that we're not hearing about any other sickness than COVID-19? The Flu seems to have all but disappeared!!! Did you know that if you had a cold with Corona virus, you will test "positive" if you are screened for COVID-19? This will make the tracking of the more serious strain more difficult, because the one virus is difficult to distinguish from the other. . . . at least until we have better tests available!
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1286
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 12:03 pm: |
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Dear Moderators – Please publish the mail below instead of my previous post – Thank you.
-Good point Kiwiseeker…
-And yes, Aristea there may be many that may not fall "under the radar" because they are asymptomatic:
- Acc to a study from Iceland - ca. 50 % of all cases are asymptomatic
- CV Cases in China: ca. 82,000 symptomatic - plus another 43,000 asymptomatic - But this does not include any children, most of which would be asymptomatic, too (they all stayed at home and did online learning - right from the start) |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 3070
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 01:34 pm: |
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Per Michael Horn: However, in my communication with FIGU Tuesday, they reiterated that a premature lifting of the shutdown could lead to a devastating increase of casualties from COVID-19. As we already told you, their recommendations were that:
“All countries should implement complete lockdown for at least 3 – 8 months (UPDATE: Actually this should have happened in the beginning in China to stop the then epidemic at its source. The longer and more strict a shut down, and the more people are observing the regulations, the fewer deaths etc. and the better to slow down the spreading of the pandemic. Actually the pandemic already exists in ALL countries on our planet, not in just most, as is claimed, and many countries don’t inform about the real numbers. There are already 9 to 10 times more infected people than is reported.)” |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1287
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 10:59 pm: |
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Thank you, Scott...
But try to tell this to the leaders of more an more countries which are so eager to "do business" again …!
Maybe Figu should send out Ptaah's guidelines to the WHO, all governments, the experts advising them and world's scientists?
Yes, many of these may deride Figu, thinking they know much better.
But in the end, when they see that Figu's information was true,they may think differently and come back for other information. |
Aristea
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Post Number: 53
Registered: 06-2019
| | Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2020 - 07:16 am: |
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It seems to me that somebody from FIGU, either a shadow person who's watching Billy and his "prophecies", maybe the Swiss military or American FBI personality is already funneling information to the people in charge. A lot of the speculation as to the nature of the virus and its capabilities to hide from detection and so on sounds like Ptaah's information. I have noticed this over the weeks of listening to them speculate about the virus. It seems to me that someone high up in the American government is at least aware of the Plejaren and the Contact Reports. . . . Wonder who it is?
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