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    Corey Member Post Number: 123 Registered: 10-2016 |
Hello MsMichelle, Sheila (Justsayno), and all female perspectives: I'm looking for some pointers on giving my 18 year old daughter "the talk" about the Meier case, present her with the evidence, and let her make up her own mind if this is something she wants to pursue, or give it up, and leave it behind. "Goblet of the Truth" verses 4:207-4:209 basically instruct one to raise their children in the teaching of the truth from birth and cradle on, yet I did not have that luxary because some of the things I used to talk to my daughter about were brought up in joint-custody hearings that I was "talking to my daughter crazy", but however that being said, I purposely raised my daughter without any sort of religious upbringing whatsoever (so her consciousness is not attached to any untruthly religious hampering), and I required my daughter to study German in high school without telling her why. Her and I watched the "silent revolution of truth" together when she was just a young girl (I wanted to involve her with this at a young age, but then I had legal custody troubles), and now that she is 18, if I bring her back to this in her memories, she will reflect on this in a positive way of watching this movie with me. She told me several times growing up she wanted to watch it again, and she may have always wondered why I never followed up (because of legal requirements). I am planning on presenting her with a copy of the "Photo Inventarium" so she can see for herself the extraterrestrial craft in living color clear daytime photographs, and I am giving her a few books to get her started, including "the Might of the Thoughts", and later when she is ready (if she is ready) the most important book she could ever read: "the Goblet of the Truth". In my talk I am also prepared to explain a little bit about the process of reincarnation, and give her a copy of my reincarnation PDF she can study at her leisure. My daughter works a lot of hours at her job, she has her own apartment and is worried like all the rest of us about making her rent on time, car payment on time, making it to work on time, and she attends online nursing courses at a community college during the day, so she may not have much time to devote to the Meier case, and the Geisteslehre, but I waited her whole life to include her in on this, and now that she is 18 she can make up her own mind. On this planet 18 year olds are "beamed" information that life is all about sex and entertainment and money, and I want to show her another side of life she will not receive from any other source then the Meier material, and maybe she will change her mind that my upbringing of her was not as "aloof" as she may think currently. I have laid the foundation stones for this upcoming talk her whole entire life, I spent time in her childhood planting seeds talking to her about future environmental destruction, global warming, and overpopulation, and she feels very strongly as I do about these three things, and I explained to her how I saw beamships a few times (whether they were ET, terrestrial, or future terrestrial I do not know), and I think once I break the ice with the Photo book, and hand her her own copy of "the silent revolution of truth", plus some other items she may be quite receptive to this information, or she may laugh me off as a crazy coot, and go about her merry way. I do not want to "force" anything on my daughter to get her to change her mindset, but if this is something she wants to study, we could take this as far as she wants to, I can set her up with more books, introduce her to my study group, take her to meet MH's Arizona group, get her a passport with trips to Switzerland Center, etc. It's real important that I give this talk to her in advance of the 2020 collapse, and give her time to make adjustments to the prophecies unfolding in the coming years. She knows about some of my preperations (for disaster), but she is complacent and may just pass this off as something her crazy dad does in her false sense of security. She will either accept this talk as something that can change her life for the positive, or she will shrug this off as "crazy talk" and go about her merry way of entertainment, alcohol, and other distractions that are so easily accessible to youth of my country, and not go for anything "lasting" and evolutionary development-wise, only to find out in 2020 when the US government collapses that life has been drastically altered overnight, and she's hungry suddenly (for both hunger and thirst for food, as well as, any truth teaching that may provide explanations). Any female-based pointers about this situation would be helpful, as I do not have a life-partner to bounce this off of.  Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 287 Registered: 02-2010 |
Corey, great post.... I will put my thoughts together and respond to you soon.. MsMichelle | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1277 Registered: 07-2009 |
Hi Corey, From what I understand you have already introduced her to the Meier case. I get the feeling that you really want her to want to know more, get involved, etc. Of course that is her choice but my sense is that you have a very big "charge" on this, which I understand. I feel, from what you've said, that it's so important to you that she could get a feeling that you're forcing this on her. If you want to gift her with those items, let her decide if she wants them. If she wants to know more, let her ask. As you mention her previously knowing about the case from/with you, I'd focus on relaxing and trusting that keeping it very simple is respectful of her freedom and choice. | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 795 Registered: 10-2009 |
Hi Corey, as you've said she already has a lot on her plate. I would suggest you watch the movie together again and just see where that leads. Small steps because kids that age aren't that mature and may not be able to take it all in. Answering her questions maybe all you can do right now. We all have high hopes for our children, but just like us, we had to find the material at our own pace, give her the chance to do the same. I still remember my daughter yelling at me about crazy UFO stuff I was saying, while she stomped up the stairs, only to call me up there 5 minutes later when she couldn't figure out what that ball of light was that kept on turning different colours lol. Be there to give her advice from the spiritual teaching when she needs it. Be an example on how to live your life. Always remember that she's young and bound to make mistakes. Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best. | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 288 Registered: 02-2010 |
Corey....after Thinking over the process of my life before finding The Spiritual Teaching ..it is extremely important her Psyche is healthy and she understands the process of Meditation and like the other responses... allow her to Ask for this material or find it on her own....You on the other hand just continue to be the example  MsMichelle | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 10-2016 |
Hi all, Thanks for the responses, after reading the feedback I realize I had my expectations set too high because I want her to be more involved (as a way to pass the baton to the younger generation), I think instead I will just let her decide if she is ready for the case by herself, perhaps by watching the silent revolution of truth with her again, and if she wants to know more, she can ask. If not, so be it, she is (after all) young, and may have other priorities, and yes she already has a lot on her plate. MH, what you say is true I did expose her to the Meier case, but she was only like 7 or 8 when we watched it last time, and like I said I never followed up when she asked about it (to avoid legal retribution), and she was probably too young to really understand what was said in the movie for herself, so I want to at least give her the opportunity to view it as an adult with a fresh adult understanding of the movie so she can make up her own mind, and if she is turned off by it, I will not hold it against her, and I will not be "pushy" in any way as I will respect her freedom of choice. If she wants the products great, if she is not feeling it, I will put them to good use in another way. :-) Thanks again for the great responses, it helped me refine how I was approaching this situation. My only other experience at exposing someone to the Meier case is when I first got into the Meier case, I tried to involve my closet adviser at the time, which failed miserably as she thought I was a complete nutcase, I am hoping to avoid this labeling with my daughter, which is why I think it's a great idea to watch the movie together, and let the process go after that if she is not curious to know more. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 140 Registered: 08-2012 |
Salome Corey, thank you for sharing your thoughts and I too will think about this. I have a son who is autistic, no daughter. I agree with the advice of Sheila and Michael. I think that as a parent, you have done the best you can with your conscious knowledge of the spiriual teaching. All of us parents who are students of the spritual teaching want to involve our children with this most beautiful way of living. I too have shared with my son in the simplest of way. Like you, my husband and I did not raise our son into any religious belief system whatsoever, since we ourselves follow none from even before our son was born. He is 23 today. Since becoming a student of the spiritual teaching, I have been very lucky to be able to introduce and discuss the spiritual teaching, as I progress with it myself and about the Meier case, with my husband and a bit with our son. One day, I simply invited my son to listen to a few things I wished to share with him. He did not come right away, but came to me a few days later. He listened as I shared with him how everyday I attentively read the Seventh Nokodemion prayer, a prayer from Introdduction to Meditation, the 12 recommendations from Petale found in the Dodekalog, the 12 points that human beings are recommended to say to himself/herself from "Meditation From Clear Visibility" and the 77 Meditations, and how that helps me to live a harmonious and healthy life, and how it can benefit him as well. My son listened and said to me that he would think about it. Then on his own, a few days later, he came to me with time in hand in the morning and requested me to read to him all that I read, in German, before he left for work. And so began our daily reading and it still continues. There have been days he had not been able to come to me in the morning for lack of time, but most mornings, after he completes his morning chores, packs his lunch and gets dressed, he comes to me with time in hand. He cannot learn the German language yet, but I have been told that if one listens to another who can read the spiritual teaching in German, the evolution-CODE, which is interwoven in them, also works for the listener. So this is one of the things we do together. Living by example is key and I feel from reading your posts, that you already do that. In our home, we have great discussions when he comes to us with his questions and requests explanations to help him better understand about certain things in life that he is experiencing or have observed, thereby giving me an opportunity to share some of my cognitions gained from studying the spiritual teaching. Billy says to let our children find his/her own way to the truth and to not hurry the process or to "force" it on them in any way. Not to panick if they are not interested at this time. Not to live in fear. But from one parent to another, I too can completely understand where you are coming from. I have stopped worrying about my son. He is doing really well. From what you write, it seems that you have already laid the groundwork for your daughter. I think that having periodic conversations is more effective than giving a talk, because how often do we hear an inspiring talk that changes our life and way of thinking overnight? Books and conversations take longer but have the impact of changing our way of thinking. Many of the books are not light-reading, it takes time to get the hang of each one of them so to speak. As she lives her life, being close to you, she will come to you with her questions and thoughts with regard to her life and observations, hence giving you an opportunity to apply where necessary, in answering her questions, your own cognitions in your own words drawing from your knowledge of the spiritual teaching, easing into a discussion, instead of giving her a talk, which requires patient listening and comprehending. Just remain available to her. Has she asked you about your life? If asked, it's a great way to share the story of your life with her and gradually share with her about how you found Billy, what drew you to him and his writings and what it has done for you, etc. If I had a daughter, I'd begin this way, do my best to inspire, invite her to have conversations whenever she has free time over warm cups of tea or whatever she enjoys, or when taking walks together, listen to her about her day and be attentive to every opportunity I get to ease in what I am learning and applying through the spiritual teaching as it applies to her life situation, go with the flow. Salome Piyali | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 189 Registered: 01-2011 |
Dearest Corey, It is simple...just be the light and she will be drawn to that. Never ever push or persuade, it must be on her own. You have laid the seeds of spiritual foundation now just wait to see if they have taken root and not disappointed if it doesn't. And always unconditional love and respect for her wishes! ... for her spirit form will choose its own way to fend through life knowing that you will be always with her through thick and thin! Her biggest issue right now will be peer pressure in the schools and from her chosen friends. Always be her best friend and confidant throughout both of your lifetimes allotted together... But I already knew that you are! bronzedesk(Mat) And the end of all our exploring, will be to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time. ~ T. S. Eliot | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 10-2016 |
Thanks MsMichelle and Piyali, You have given me much to think about. I may not watch the silent revolution of truth with her, I may just continue to be the example, and let her discover this on her own. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 362 Registered: 04-2015 |
How many hundreds of years before Meier's spiritual teachings is compulsory teachings in all/most schools? | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 10-2016 |
Mat (Bronzedesk), Thank you for the kind words from a positive (male) pole perspective, which at times can be equal to and just as wise as the negative (negative) pole perspective , yes I'm worried about her making mistakes because of peer pressure. Speaking of unconditional love, that post you posted several years ago about "unconditional love" from verses you found in "Goblet of the Truth" was perfect for this situation. If you wanted to replicate that post for everyone, this time I can write the verses down in my notes, I wouldn't mind one bit for a replication, thanks. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 127 Registered: 10-2016 |
Where my post 126 says = (negative) in parentheses was supposed to say = female pole. I typed the word "negative" twice instead of typing the word "female" (as in equal to, and just as wise as the negative [female] pole) Sorry for any misunderstandings that may have arisen. Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 440 Registered: 07-2006 |
There is an as yet untranslated German version of FIGU Open Letter #14: To the adolescent, young persons and adults of this Earth, those that have not yet found and not experienced the right and true purpose in life as well as the effective value of the life. An die Halbwüchsigen, Jugendlichen und Erwachsenen dieser Erde, die den richtigen und wahren Lebensinhalt sowie die effectiven Werte des Lebens noch nicht gefunden und nicht erfahren haben. The German version of this Open Letter can be found at: http://www.figu.org/ch/files/downloads/briefe/figu_offener_brief_14.pdf I will spend some time cleaning up my rough original translation of this Open Letter (from Nov-2014) as it may provide some assistance ... I will post a link here when I have completed my translation for those interested. (...unless you would like to do your own translation Cory) Salome PatM | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 441 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hugo, The study of the Spiritual Teaching will never be compulsory as everything is based on an individual's free will/volition to learn when they are ready and only they will know when that is. Salome PatM | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 10-2016 |
Hi Patm, if you could clean up your translation, and post a link that would be great, I'm currently laid up from a work back injury, and working on my computer doing a translation doesn't sound like my cup of tea right now (I am forum posting using my cellphone, but sitting at my computer is currently a "no-can-do"). Thanks again Patm for the efforts, I really appreciate it, and who knows, maybe my daughter will thank you for the translation! Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 364 Registered: 04-2015 |
Patm, I thought/hoping that in 800 years the Meier spirit teachings may be taught in all schools. In my opinion it should be compulsory teaching in schools one day. | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 141 Registered: 08-2012 |
No worries Corey. There is no miunderstanding, speaking for myself, I understood. Salome. Salome Piyali | ||
Andrew_grimshaw Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 02-2017 |
Now might be an appropriate time for my initial thoughts to Justsayno's words: "We all have high hopes for our children,": I always had high hopes for my parents  And as it turned out, with one being a Christian and the other being a Agnostic; I found the middle ground! - The Silent Revolution of Truth - | ||
Justinelombard New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2016 |
It sounds like you are well aware of not pushing your daughter in any direction, and I can understand your excitement and trepidation after having to keep quiet for so long. One element in your question that I would like to answer is that I would love for all young women to read the early contact reports with Asket and Semjase.. Their words are so powerful and they both played amazing roles in Billy's early education. What a joy and honour is was for me to read about these time and space travelling women and their spiritual teaching that they impart along the way in their travels with Billy, we can all learn a lot still just from reading and re-reading these often overlooked gems of wisdom writings, which are graciously given away freely almost.. on sites like they fly.. and futureofmankind The significance of these contact reports should not be overlooked, and I myself was kept occupied for years with questions that arose in my mind concerning Jitschi and Jechieli.. to use only one example! This early info really sets the scene for understanding the mission! Getting back to the spiritual teaching the reason Asket and Semjase's words would be powerfully uplifting to all women who become interested in the story is that they are such gems of wisdom spoken almost in passing and splattered among other fascinating details to keep the entire scenario as to what is actually happening "very real". - And they are spoken by women! - All that spiritual wisdom, spoken by female voices it's just very significant for us ladies, as it gives a woman's perspective on what it takes to embark on the type of space and time travelling journeys that Asket and Semjase have done... I found bravery, strength, logic, love, joy , compassion and peace in their voices and still do whenever I re -read some of those passages.. The more I read the news or see what is happening in our world the more I am determined to teach my still very young one the truth and have an open dialog with him because the world could be such a different place when we can just look beyond life's staged arena's and actually live. It pains me to have to send my child out there where I can see his indoctrination starting even at pre school.. But this is the world we live in, so I hope that at some point your daughter will stumble across the early contact reports as I did as I certainly found them life changing.. I think that the best that you can hope for is just to hear what kind of questions she comes up with and don't be disappointed if she doesn't say anything at first.. And another little hint, (not telling you what to do but..) don't answer too many of her questions either .... especially if the answers can be gotten through thinking about the material! Rather push her to think than to cram knowledge into her.. I have found that the one benefit that I got trying to work everything out for myself is that it does require our own individual thinking in order for it all to sink into our consciousness.. | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 08-2012 |
Salome Justine, excellent and wise advice! Salome Piyali | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 10-2016 |
Thanks for the advice Justine! Salome/Corey Müske | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 604 Registered: 04-2013 |
Justine, Very well said; you have a golden opportunity with your son, this is a very exciting time for you. Unfortunately, I didn’t discover or re-discover Billy’s Teaching until after my children were indoctrinated into religion and other world situations and events. At the time, thought that I was doing the right thing. It now seems impossible to turn them around to the Truth in this lifetime, as they are now adults with their own children. Welcome to the FIGU forum. Sincerely Kenneth | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 296 Registered: 02-2010 |
Exactly Justine, (a great post #1) about the power We all process especially the power of a Woman. I'm hoping in the distance future, BEAM University will be in place as an alternative form of Education for our children. I extend a Welcome to you as well. MsMichelle |
