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    Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1146 Registered: 08-2010 |
Cpl Salome Chris, in my post #1143 above, Christian F. gives answers to this and other questions. He also ends with a very logical point and advise. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1219 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thank you, Eddie. I missed that the 47 thousand million year renewals are happening via localized black holes. So thank you. I guess these seven line divisions denote each of these periods at the time when increasing numbers of black holes develop until they are all there is in the "material" universe (I put "material" because by then there will be no matter visible). I have not read anywhere in Billy's material that these black holes increase in number until they are all there is materially, unless again, I overlooked something somewhere. It fits the depiction, though. So again, thank you for the clarification. Of course, we cannot know these things; we are in the field of theoretical physics and cosmology here, but I do see it as a beneficial cognitive exercise. Pondering the possible nature of things makes possible the crucible of knowledge; the birth of all knowledge and cognitions is questioning. Finally, thank you once again, Patm, for all your efforts here. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1147 Registered: 08-2010 |
Cpl Chris, just for clarification, my example of a black hole destroying (consuming) a galaxy and then forming a new galaxy, which Christian F. confirmed, was in respect to the law of the passing and becoming. Stars exploding and releasing new materials that only they can produce through the process of going supernova... so not restricted to, nor only relative to, black holes. We see (recognize) this law in the birth and the dying, day into night... composting is another evident example of this law. The 49 thousand-million years is sufficient time for all the material in a universe to have been affected by the passing and becoming... much like our bodies replace our cells every 7 or so years, so in essence we have a brand new material body every 7 or so years, but it's still the same body. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1190 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Pat and Matt, I was under the very same impression as you - until I read Billy's comment in CR 119: - " After the first coarse-material universe, the coarse-material matter refines itself from universe to universe, until with the seventh stage, all of the coarse-material matter is changed to fine fluidalness…" Salome, Bill | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1220 Registered: 08-2004 |
Yes, indeed this is so, Eddie. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 754 Registered: 07-2006 |
Bill, Eddie, Matt, Scott and Chris (and anyone else interested), I have been discussing updates to the drawing as well as clarification of several things related to our discussions with Christian, who in turn has been talking to Billy about them. He (Christian) has one additional item he wants to get clarification from Billy about. I will update everyone here with all the clarifications, once I receive the last ones from Christian, as well as provide a more accurate updated drawing incorporating all these clarifications. Salome, PatM | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1192 Registered: 04-2011 |
>>> The Mystique Oneness of Creation <<< Thank you, Eddie, for highlighting the aspect of universal oneness which, IMO, should become basis of our science. Because what happens to the body cells, stars and galaxies, it only mirrors what happens to the universe. Billy explaining the formation of our universe *) He first quotes a passage of the Spirit Teaching (book Genesis): “The idea of the Creation was in becoming and being born and the coagulation of the becoming visible space was seethed through milky flakes which grew as spiritual and material life into the Creation and the universe. He then interprets it in a scientific manner and how the stars “And if I should now explain this in an interpretive way which goes beyond the spiritual teaching into physics and which should be understandable, then I must do this as follows: The creation flakes, or rather the flakes that were created by Creation and formed in the empty space of the universe, were hydrogen formations, in which all the building blocks or 280 elements of life as well as all matter and gases etc. which were already created by the Creation, were existent…” Billy then tells us that these hydrogen flakes combine themselves to such an extent that incredibly high temperatures arise within their interior and they finally detonate the mass: “These were, if I may say so, the first original supernovae or original supernovas of the growing Material Universe Belt. Even today and throughout the entire future of the existence of the universe, the same still takes place, its just that the form of the flakes has changed because today, these are huge solar structures that explode out of themselves and eject from themselves all elements in the universe by what means life …” As we said I an earlier post –“… everything is “big bang born” and dies”. But the universal oneness does not only underlie the material world. In 1978 Billy published the article "Existent Life in the Universe" (Wassermannzeit magazine starting on page 189) in which he declares that everything in the universe is built upon information of a creational nature: "Every life knows about the life of its neighbour ^)" and that “all life forms know about the existence of all others and that these exchange information with each other beyond the boundaries of space and time. … [so man] knows about the life of his fellow man and the entire mass of humanity. But therefore, he also knows about the life of all fauna and flora and thus about the life of creation, of universal consciousness itself. But he also knows about the life of the planets and the stars, of the galaxies and of the entire universe, as well as about the life of the ethereal and the gross material. And he adds – as if to strengthen the universality of Creational oneness - that this “knowledge of all other beings” does not only apply to the humans of our universe: “Just as man knows about the existence of all life and all things, this is also given to every other form of life, and thus also to every cell of an existing form of life…. [and] the same knowledge about the existence and life of other matter and all life in general is also present in every smallest electron and neutron, in every molecule and in every atom and therefore in every quark, no matter whether it is still coarse-matter or already fine-matter and exists far below the quark level… Just as Creation itself as universe and universal consciousness knows about the existence of the life of all things, forms of life, elements, atoms and molecules and other forms of life in coarse-material and fine-material form and is aware of the connection with everything, so this knowledge also exists in every thing, in every form of life, in every element, in every insect, virus and bacillus, in every atom and in every molecule and in everything that is much smaller, both material and fine-material." It is through our spirit that we can tap into the truth, wisdom and love that underlies this peaceful creational oneness: “The human being is one with everything in the Creation, in the truth, wisdom and love, in the kingdom of the spirit. That truth and wisdom that man is separated from each other by space and time and the body, which, however, is overcome by inner experience. Wisdom and love unite, knowledge and truth unite, the wisdom and love of the consciousness and the spirit lead through experience to oneness and to creation itself, to universal joy, power and perfection.” ***) Salome, Bill *) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_224 (after CR 224:07) **) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Special_Bulletin_038 (it is a rather long article – the given sections are approx.. in the middle) ***) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_010 (Semjase / CR 010:160-162) ^) It is man’s pineal gland (“third eye”) which allows him to tap in the fluidal forces that surround him. But through his material orientation and greed mankind has lost more and more of this ability (the pineal gland which once was 3cm is now only 3mm. One way to bring back the function of the pineal gland: to let -via meditation- energy flow into the pineal gland – so if the human being is well experienced in meditation he will consciously perceive the electro-magnetic force fields that surround him. As blind people are clinging less to the coarse material and the 5 senses – they are more receptive for the fine fluidal NB: This 7th sense is as well in animals which only produce instinct – impulses/instinct-feelings/instinct-psyche So every animal and human brain is a send-and-receive apparatus for fine fluidal energies = electro-magnetic swinging waves … if man concentrates his perception on them he can perceive these fluidal energies.. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1221 Registered: 08-2004 |
That'll be much appreciated, PatM. To clarify my previous post on the universe becoming full of black holes: That was just trying to come to terms with the schematic diagram and not meant to be taken as my thinking that is so. The seven divisions in the diagram while linearly separated may be defining a seven-phase reality not so definitively separated. As Eddie reminded with his comments on the renewal of the human body, there are also seven ages of man. I don't recall them exactly, but something like: infancy, childhood, youth, family man, middle-aged man, mature man, and aged or old man. We can divide our lives up and schematically separate such divisions with lines, but in reality the divisions are seamless, despite the ages being quite different. Chris Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1193 Registered: 04-2011 |
The hacked off sentence in post 1192 should read: "Wisdom and love unite, knowledge and truth unite, the wisdom and love of the consciousness and the spirit lead through experience to oneness and to creation itself, to universal joy, power and perfection.” ***) Don't know why - but during the last months it happens frequently that parts of sentences in the published version are hacked off. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1194 Registered: 04-2011 |
Thank you for finding out, Pat. Salome, Bill | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1195 Registered: 04-2011 |
NB Billy’s information (“…everything, even the quark and even fine fluidal matter knows about the existence of all life and all things universal…”) may well explain that objects of the quantum world may appear in different positions depending on the observer – they pick up and react to the fluidal forces of the observer. This may as well explain why Plejaren space ships are tuned to the pilot’s consciousness. I truly think that world's scientist should study Billy's CRs and adopt a new basis for their view of the universe: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/1157.html#POST87445 | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1196 Registered: 04-2011 |
Afterthought re. post 1192 - Like GEM ("Gravito-Electromagnetism") directing the kinetic effects of gravity in analogy to the magnetic effects of moving electric charge in the coarse material world there may be a similar force directing the movement of fluidal forces... | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2194 Registered: 07-2005 |
That's good news Pat Looking forward to the clarification and additional information In your infographics would you be able to use colour code for each wake/sleep cycle and the 7 levels of Creation to better differentiate against one another? Thanks Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2195 Registered: 07-2005 |
Bill that's actually weird. No matter how many times I've read and dissected that particular passage in relation to the rest I can only come to the same conclusion as you that that statement infers that coarse material exists until the 7th stage of Creation before it transitions into Ur-Creation. Could there possibly be a translation error or an omission of some words that rips the meaning out of context? Matt lee | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2196 Registered: 07-2005 |
Do any of you members know or have come across the schematics or form of Absolute Absolutum? We here know what Creation/dern universe approximately looks like in the form of double eggs shaped spiral configuration but what does the Absolute Absolutum look like or is it formless and shapeless? If it has a form does the AA encase all of the 10 to the power of 49 different Creation/universes within itself, within its own body or boundary just as we humans embody all the cells and molecules within our body form? If it is formless then is the AA comparable to our transformation belt where its complete and utter darkness where its nothing but fine spiritual energies? Then speaking of spiritual energy which everything comprises and is itself everything in one form or another what is the exact nature of this thing called the spiritual energy and how is this stuff of all stuff different in AA as opposed to what is in Creation/dern universe? We here hear a lot about this stuff called the spiritual matter and spiritual energy but do you members here know what exactly it is and how many different gradations and types there are of this stuff that everything is made of? And what is the difference between our spirit form, the spirit form of the higher spiritual planes including the high council and the spiritual energies that comprises our universe and the AA all the way up to the Absolute nothing? What is the differentiating factor that allows separation and distinct form of the spirit form from all the other spiritual energies and other spirit forms at various levels and planes? We here also deal a lot with the words Creative spiritual laws, natural laws and Creational laws but I for one do not yet understand the mechanics of how the laws are laid out to work the way it naturally and automatically does nor how the invisible forces come together ironclad for everything to work seemlessly and indestructively unchangeable by any other forces where everything is governed by. What and how does this force from the fine spiritual dimension configured and with what type of spiritual energies are held together for everything to work the way it does especially the unchangeable evolutive aspect of Creation that is preprogrammed to evolve to the next level and then the next and then the next in an unstoppable and in incessant fashion and what does the endgame or end product of relative perfection look like, what is Creation, AA and absolute nothing perfecting towards and for what purpose or aim? We humans have an innate sense for evolution, perfection, development and change just like everything else that is in existence material wise and spiritually but why does it require humans for Creation to evolve when it simply could've had other arrangements put in place by the AA whereby Creation evolves using other forms of material species why did it preordain humans or humanoid life forms to be the carrier of this thing called the evolutive spirit form for it to evolve? If Absolute nothing is higher than even the AA and the Absolutum higher than Creation why are we in the teachings taught to revere, respect and venerate Creation and not the Absolutum and the Absolute nothing? Why are we not taught to also venerate the AN and the AA which created Creation? If Creation is all the qualities that the spiritual teaching describes it as then it is just a child of the Absolute Absolutum which must be infinitely better and grander than it so why is our emphasis not also on the Absolutums as it is a much higher form than Creation why are we stuck with the parent when the grand parent and the great-grand parent is still around? Matt lee | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1197 Registered: 04-2011 |
Hi Matt, The English translation corresponds to the German original. German "Nach dem ersten grobstofflichen Universum verfeinert sich die grobstoffliche Materie von Universum zu Universum, bis bei der siebenten Stufe die gesamte grobstoffliche Materie zur Feinstofflichkeit gewandelt ist." English "After the first coarse-material universe, the coarse-material matter refines itself from universe to universe, until with the seventh stage, all of the coarse-material matter is changed to fine-fluidalness." One may translate "bei" with "at" (instead of "with") and "gewandelt ist" with "is [or: has] turned into" (instead of "is changed") but neither would change the overall meaning of the text passage. Salome, Bill | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2200 Registered: 07-2005 |
Maybe Christian or the core group can help in this regard Bill. Obviously we don't obsess about these particular topics but for the sake of the truth it would be good to have some closure on this matter as facts are facts and facts are important. Matt lee | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 756 Registered: 07-2006 |
If you can be a LITTLE more patient, as I told you previously this is being worked out with Christian and you will be updated on the results when they are complete and confirmed. PatM | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2201 Registered: 07-2005 |
Cheers Pat | ||
Linda_95 New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2020 |
DESIGN FLAWS?!?!?! | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 04-2020 |
Hi, Linda. You have a refined sense of humor I see. I for one appreciate it. I can tell you from past fails on my part that humor doesn't always translate well on this forum. So don't be surprised if you hear crickets. Rest assured though, someone is getting chuckles and grins. Welcome to the FIGU Forum, with all its' design flaws. Bob | ||
Jacob New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 07-2019 |
Hello Matt Lee, In regards to your post about the absolute nothingness and the absolute absolutum the following can be said. The information about the BEING-Absolutum, the Absolute Absolutum, absolute nothingness is strictly consciousness-related / academic, it will only act as a framework for your factual understanding of the absolute reality (Reales Absolutum ). It will do nothing more than that and it has no impact on your consciousness-related and spiritual evolution. In fact, this applies to everyone, including the Plejarens and even higher evolved humans or even pure spirit forms. I am only saying that this information is just information / facts and should not get more time allocated than needed. Life is way too short to deal with the purely ‘academic’. In this Creation universal-consciousness, the Creation itself and everything in it is the first and foremost evolutionary factor, its by far the most important evolutionary factor bar none. One of the very first spirit lessons teaches that there are two methodes of learning and understanding the natural-creative laws and recommendations, one by studying the human body and all of its functions, secondly by observing the universe with a clear and unbiased mind in order to learn and understand the natural-creative laws which are a source of truth, knowledge, wisdom and love. This is not possible for the human in regards to the Absolute Absolutum, because it exists in such a high level of BEING that its even a riddle / mystery for the Creation itself. We cannot learn anything from it because we cannot experience anything from it, this is only possible from the Creation itself. Petale said the following Dekalogue (English translation is my own / I do not own the English / German version of Dekalogue): 603. Schliesse dich jederzeit in verstehendem Vertrauen in sie, damit du ihren Liebebegriff und ihr Liebeleben fort und fort durch das dir gegebene Wort und alle Offenbarungen in sichtbarer und unsichtbarer Form in dir aufnimmst, wodurch du in deinem Wissen um die Wahrheit und Liebe der Schöpfung wächst und dir immer bewusster wirst, wer und was die Schöpfung WAR, IST und SEIN WIRD. 604. Du bist dann wissend, wo du für alle Grosszeiten hingehörst, und du wirst wissend erklären können: "Ich bin dort, wo die Schöpfung ist, und was ihr eigen ist, ist auch mir gehörend, denn die Schöpfung ist in mir, und ich selbst bin in der Schöpfung" (Dekalog Dodekalog, P. 48: 849) English translation (may contain errors) 603. close yourself at all times in understanding trust in her, so that you can understand her concept of love and her life of love continues and continues through the word given to you and all revelations in visible and of invisible form, whereby you, in your knowledge of the truth and love of creation grows and you become more and more aware of who and what creation WAS, IS and IS WILL. 604. You will then know where you belong for all greattimes, and you will knowingly declare "I am where Creation is, and what belongs to it is also mine, because the Creation is in me, and I myself am in Creation" (Decalogue Dodecalogue, P. 48: 849) Also, Petale speaks in Genesis about reverence and venerability as the basic factors of gaining insight (Erkenntnis) Ehrfurcht und Ehrwürdigkeit sind die grundlegenden Voraussetzungen, die urtümlichen Kräfte aller Erkenntnisse. (Genesis, P. 55: 1331) Rough English translation: Reverence and venerability are the basic requirements, the primordial forces of all insights. Its the Creation universal consciousness which is venerable and should be revered because it is the primordial force of all insight which leads to recognising the truth, gains knowledge and ultimately leads to wisdom. The battleground of ones consciousness-related / spiritual evolution lies in the here-and-now, in what can be experienced in the visible (physical) and invisible (fine-material / super-fine-material form) in the Creation itself. What I explained here applies to everyone. Salome, Jacob | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 797 Registered: 07-2006 |
Sorry for the delay in getting this out. Below is the link to the updated Creation-Timeline drawing with the updated information regarding the Big Bang and the DERN Universe (Creation Universal Consciousness) and its 7 main universes in different space-time configurations, i.e., dimensions (e.g. SIRAN - ours, ANKAR - Plejaren, plus 5 others), as well as the updated 49 Matter-belt renewal phases. The included text is quite small in this high resolution pdf file, however you should be able to zoom in and read all the details. https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Reference%20Material/Spiritual/Creational%20Timeline-sec.pdf Hope this helps answer many of the previous questions which Christian discussed with Billy and resulted in this updated drawing. Salome PatM |
