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Jacob
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Post Number: 192
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2018 - 02:40 am: | 
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Hello Kenneth,
In response to your comment to my previous post "IMO, pure logic will not work for humans."
You proved your own point by mistakingly interpreting my words this way.
I never said pure logic, no material being is capable of using pure logic, only the high council and the pure spirit levels are capable of pure logic.
A human should always strive to be as logical as possible in accordance with the natural-creative laws and recommendations, but it will be absolutely impossible to be purely logical all the time.
In fact Billy also stated that illogic (making mistakes) is needed for evolution, not only in the contact notes, but also in the Geisteslehre. (He refers to the evolutionary form of illogic / making mistakes, not deliberate faults against the natural creative laws and recommendations).
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Kenneth
Member
Post Number: 875
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2018 - 08:02 am: |
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Hi Jacob,
Thanks for your response. Often it’s difficult (at least for myself) to get the correct meaning across in written words verses speaking face to face; voice inflections can say a lot.
When I said, “Regarding your statement ...logical thought, needs to be used (in accordance with the natural-creative laws and recommendations.)" IMO, pure logic will not work for humans.” Yes of course I proved your point; I was essentially agreeing with you and complementing your statement with additional information.
No misunderstanding on my part; thanks for this correlation of subject matter, I find it very interesting.
Sincerely
Kenneth |
Jacob
Member
Post Number: 195
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2018 - 04:20 am: |
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Hi, Kenneth,
We are here to share and learn, applies to me and you.
I also find it very interesting because this topic is very applicable in real life.
While some parts of the spirit teaching can not be applied in real life for a long, long time.
Personally I prefer the parts of the spirit teaching which I can apply directly in my life, in my thinking, feeling and acting, those parts yield direct results.
One small step at a time.
I regard items about JHWH, Srut, Ban-Srut, and the past lives of the universal-prophet, etc., etc., as theoretical and not relevant to life here on planet Earth in the year 2018.
At the most it is interesting to know, nothing more.
The spirit teaching principles you can learn, make part of yourself and express in real life in the so-called present are far more important.
This is my opinion and what works for me.
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Getknowledge
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Post Number: 209
Registered: 04-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2018 - 08:30 am: |
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The Mandela Effect and faulty memory is somewhat related to thinking and thoughts:
When JFK was assassinated was there 4 or 6 people in the vehicle?
Tien
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Kenneth
Member
Post Number: 884
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2018 - 11:03 pm: |
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We know that when Billy passes, the Plejaren will leave. In the book, “And still they fly” Chapter 15, page 281, by Guido Moosbrugger,
In 1995 it was stated, “Until recently, JHWH Ptaah had been in charge of three planets: Earth, Erra and Alatides in the Harkonen System.”
Ptaah: Well yes, I must turn to other tasks.
Billy: What a shame. That means Earth will now be without a JHWH.
Ptaah: This is not quite accurate, for there still exist descendants of the old gods who will make themselves known. However, I can only share this information with you in confidence, if you are interested.
“Ptaah alluded to extraterrestrials who had settled on Earth in prehistoric times and who, unlawfully, had themselves revered as creators, while the people on Earth presumed that they were gods.”
Accordingly, that was 23 years ago, “descendants of the old gods will make themselves known”. Who do we have on Earth today that is pushing the envelope on various technologies, to include transportation on Earth and space, quantum leaps in solar, advanced battery operated vehicles, displays mortalities and compassionate service to humankind and spiritually attuned?
Intriguingly, Elon Musk said in a recent interview this year that he was of extraterrestrial descendants. When the interviewers jaw hit the floor, Mr. Musk said, just kidding.
Kenneth |
Kenneth
Member
Post Number: 885
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2018 - 09:12 am: |
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Second to the last paragraph, “displays mortalities …” ...
should read morality instead of mortalities.
Kenneth |
Kenneth
Member
Post Number: 893
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Monday, August 06, 2018 - 10:27 am: |
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Bill, Chris,
Excellent information on reincarnation cycles of the spiritform regarding associated technologies of the past relating to the present, thanks for re-posting.
Salome
Kenneth |
Indi
Moderator
Post Number: 811
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 07, 2018 - 11:35 pm: |
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Please get back to the topic of 'Thinking and Thoughts'. There are posts in the queue that do not belong in this section and posts in these recent pages that also do not belong here.
The topic of Pi, and reincarnation info etc.. is not for this section.
Discussion ideas could be about the processes of thinking that can lead to adopting a neutral positive stance, found in Billy's books 'The Psyche', 'Might of the Thoughts', as well as others.
Thank you
Salome
Robyn
Be encouraged to think. Don't let others tell you what to think.Challenge things you read, hear and see, and then research it, test it. Then decide if you must, what to 'think' about it.
Think for yourself!
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 861
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, August 10, 2018 - 11:42 am: |
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Hi Melissa,
I refer to your post (7) here as it refers to a different topic.
You are right, it was Ptaah who told Billy in CR 476 *) that mankind has the tendency to be “pathologically autocratic”, i.e. to be domineering, imposing one’s will onto others.
This indeed does prevents mankind from being truthfully creative, because this creativity is based on an equalised consciousness and to achieve this consciousness we should never intervene in the voluntary resolve of any life form **)
You are as well right that it may need a long time until the psyche of our planet changes. Until true science recognizes that our thoughts create a force field which affects all beings in the universe. IMO, mankind has to learn not blame others, realizing that doing so is the way to grow in love. That this all-encompassing love is a powerful force that uplifts man’s consciousness, allowing him to truly perceive – and create - in oneness, with himself, his planet and the universe …
It may be a while.
But we are on our way.
Salome,
Bill
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http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/79.html#POST85032
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http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/16031.html#POST85041 |
Corey
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Post Number: 450
Registered: 10-2016
| | Posted on Friday, September 14, 2018 - 10:45 pm: |
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Overcoming obstacles is a big part of the spiritual teaching. If you tell yourself in thought that you "cannot" then you are already defeated, because you will live out those actions as deeds.~
When you encounter resistance to your path, this is the gateway to developmental progress.~
Salome, Corey Müske. -"Kelch der Wahrheit"/"Goblet of the Truth"
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22:08: " Werdet ihr Menschen vom Unglück verfolgt und könnt ihr euer Leben nicht so harmonisch gestalten, wie ihr das gerne möchtet, dann vermögt ihr dies zu ändern, wenn ihr euch dem Einklang der kosmischen Ordnung und damit den schöpferischen Gesetzen und Geboten zuwendet und sie befolgt."
22:08: "If you human beings are pursued by the unfortune and are unable to form your lives as harmoniously as you would like, then you are able to change this if you turn to the consonance of the cosmic regulation and therefore to the creational laws and recommendations, and follow them."
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Hugo
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Post Number: 720
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Sunday, September 22, 2019 - 04:48 am: |
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Some people that suffer from a mental illness can make them think they are a prophet, especially when it is undiagnosed and they do not know they have it yet. And if they keep entertaining this idea in their thinking and thoughts it grows and eventually they come to believe that they are a prophet. This happened to someone I know who came down with a mental illness but didn't know it. He started telling people he was the second prophet and word got back to his parents what he was telling people. His parents tried to talk rationally to him that he was not a prophet but instead was likely suffering from a mental illness but he refused to listen to them so his parents had him forcefully admitted to a psyche ward where they accessed him with suffering from a mental illness and they put him on medications to stabilize which made him slowly come to his senses and the realization that he had a mental condition. A couple of months later they discharged him. I saw him shortly after he got out and he told me he didn't realize he was suffering from a mental condition until he was administered and put onto medications. And he also told me he now knows he is not a prophet because at the psyche ward he learned that one of the common symptoms that people suffering with his mental illness is sometimes to believe they are a prophet.
I say all this because I believe someone in our community who is making (Meier) spiritual videos and who most of us here know, is possibly happening to this person as did with my friend. |
Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 536
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Monday, September 23, 2019 - 06:27 am: |
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Hugo, regarding your post #720, sadly this can happen to any of us if we are not healthy via our psyche and consciousness. You can replace "prophet" with any other noun, such as think they are jesus, cia agent, government official, the list goes on and on. Those growing up in a strong religious environment as well as the use of drugs and alcohol. BEAM was institutionalized earlier in the mission for unknown reasons, right?
MsMichelle
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Matthew
Member
Post Number: 152
Registered: 03-2011
| | Posted on Monday, September 23, 2019 - 10:00 am: |
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Hi Hugo,
It's called Messiah, or, Saviour complex and is well documented and is one of the nasty effects of religion. Working in psychiatric hospitals in my past I've witnessed arguments erupting between patients over who the real Jesus is. Just that experience alone can bring some to their senses.
Intelligent ones can work through the related effects and psychosis and use it to neutralise unacknowledged religious belief, but, where a parent, or, parents are particularly religious, it may not be possible to maintain a relationship for a period, or, in fact, ever, afterwards as this can exacerbate certain psychological triggers that lead to the psychosis in the first place.
From memory, whilst the spiritual teaching promotes, generally, maintaining a healthy, positive, relationship with one's parents, other recommendations account for this not always being possible, particularly in the case of abuse, which in my opinion (not recognised) religious parenting is a form of and hence why this illness is prevalent.
In some cases, a relationship with a religious parent can even be detrimental and that's a hard thing to go through. Limits must always be understood and respected and worked out, but, trying to set a 'good example' for others may not always be the best approach or possible if this aspect is seen in an idealised, unrealistic, egoistic, way.
Matthew |
Hugo
Member
Post Number: 721
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Monday, September 23, 2019 - 01:41 pm: |
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Msmichelle, yes that's right.
I hardly know him but I think someone that does should pursued him to go seek a mental medical checkup just to see if he has developed a mental condition that is responsible for this weird behavior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWRAUqTt7c0
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1410
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - 10:57 am: |
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Jedi's responses in the video I did with him areconsistent with a narcissistic personality disorder (NPD)…and he goes further in this shamelessly delusional, grandiose presentation:
https://youtu.be/syKvAN7kPWI (20:26)
This is DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED to the spiritual teaching. Welcome to the new, self-appointed prophet.
For those who understand how the mission can go off track, exposing this now - before this has grown into a large new cult - may be helpful in diminishing that possibility. |
Hugo
Member
Post Number: 722
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - 02:26 pm: |
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Hi Matthew,
Yes that's the one, thanks. I watched my friends decline go from being teacher one day to prophet the next. |
Hugo
Member
Post Number: 723
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 12:22 am: |
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Michael_horn, either way, that was quick! Preacher one day, prophet the next.
I kind of get the feeling that some people can't handle the truth in the Meier case. In this case it's spiritual teachings. |
Niko_sulonen
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Post Number: 62
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 05:17 am: |
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Off-topic but wanted to point out that Jedi's group PSI used to stand for 'Private Sector Intelligence' before it was changed to 'Peace Seeking Initiative'. Possibly a psy-op designed to create discord and confusion in the community and to turn away any new-comers. Of course I can't be sure about that but it is some food for thought and in my opinion not so far-reaching. I've had some troubling experiences with my computer for example, so I think there is something more sinister happening behind the scenes.
Salome,
Niko
I recognize my path, which is the truth and living in accordance with it. I carry out my mission for life and for the fulfillment of life. I abide by the creational laws and recommendations, which reign in me as true love and wisdom.
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2942
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - 11:04 am: |
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Hello,
Since the discussion of Jedi is not really FIGU related in the direct sense, please refrain from further discussions.
Thank you
Scott-Moderator |
Felinity
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 09-2019
| | Posted on Friday, September 27, 2019 - 07:08 am: |
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Good Morning. I thought that the username was connected to the password for me to input when logging on. I am Belinda Gishnock. Thank you, FIGU, for allowing me to participate here. My concern is over the hand signal for OK. Isn't it OM when this hand gesture is facing downward? Am I wrong on this? OMFALON MURADO. |
Newinitiation
Member
Post Number: 2079
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, September 27, 2019 - 10:46 am: |
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Hi Michelle as far as what I have read those unknown reasons you mention are not so unknown at all.
Billy just took on the chin, said yes to everything and was incarcerated henceforth for something he didn't do as he was blamed for everything under the sun at the time.
As far as I am aware this part of his life wasn't all that much shared.
I haven't come across anything about Billy's life after he was incarcerated and what life was like inside before he escaped to join the foreign legion and when he escaped from it
Matt lee |
Msmichelle
Member
Post Number: 631
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, January 26, 2020 - 06:34 am: |
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Question, if there's sufficient effects and evidence staring you right in the face about a pending situation, meaning, your consciousness and 7 senses are providing the validations to support these realities, is it logical to expect anything otherwise?
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1128
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, January 26, 2020 - 03:31 pm: |
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Msmichelle,
That's a great question. I think your intuition is telling you something.
Interestingly, I had a dream that vividly foresaw that the plumbers would change the showerhead in the shower. I had concentrated on it and then had a dream about it. On the day of, I waited to shower after the plumbers finished, well, I saw exactly what I saw in the dream.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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