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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1183
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Thursday, August 20, 2020 - 09:25 am: | 
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Hello Jokubas_stalmokas,
You said, “…when thinking about the future that It could possibly be fixed already but not in its totality.”
This is the way it appears to me as well, but with a caveat.
Billy was told by the Plejaren that he would lose his arm before it happened, there was nothing that they could do about it. There seems to be several reasons why this had to be. Nonetheless, this event appeared to be fixed in a future time, a prediction of sorts.
You also commented about people from our future coming to visit Earth which is in our present but in their past.
But for them it is their present and we are in the past. We now know that there are dimensions with dimensions. Time travel is also moving from one dimension to another. Likewise, the Plejaren planet Erra is in a different dimension from ours. Earth’s current Moon came from a different dimension than our dimension as well, which is a whole different story.
I was going to say that none of this information was known until the Teaching was brought to us by Billy. But then, that is not totally accurate either. There were human beings on Earth long before we came along that understood time travel and the different dimensions. Look at the history of Atlantis and Mu. Earth was also a prison planet for other advanced human beings from other worlds, possibly from other dimensions or timelines.
We all are still unraveling clues regarding this subject matter, one day we will understand it again. I say again because many of our former personalities (other lifetimes) ended up on Earth for one reason or another from other universe time periods and/or other dimensions.
As Bob, Bill and others pointed out, the journey back in time where Semjase took Billy to meet one of his former personalities Immanuel, where our present intersects our past, but from those in Immanuel’s time would see this as human beings from the future that has not happened yet, that is if they could even comprehend that thought, other than Immanuel of course.
Kind regards
Kenneth |
Newinitiation
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| | Posted on Friday, August 21, 2020 - 12:15 am: |
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Jakubas it seems that way to me but I don't know obviously but then again who among us here can when we don't even understand what time is in a real sense of the word.
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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| | Posted on Friday, August 21, 2020 - 12:45 am: |
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Hi Chris you said
The way I see it, the future hasn't already happened. That must be an incorrect assumption and impossible. The future has only happened to those who have already experienced it -- in the future.
And this statement...
As an example, when Billy told Immanuel about our time (whatever he did tell him) our reality was not something there "now" for Jmmanuel, at least that is not how he described it. He foretold and prophesied/predicted it; it was the future that would be.
Well first of all I must admit I don't really know all this stuff about time, timelines, time travels, time dimension business but even with this academic exercise for the sake of satiating my intellectual curiosity when the discussion does come up from time to time I do try to apply a bit of logic into the equation.
I see a glaring contradiction in your statement that the future hasn't already happened yet, yet you used the example of Billy meeting with Jmmanuel
I could be way off but the mere fact that Billy has met with Jmmanuel right then and there has cast in stone the very future as coming to pass already without a shadow of doubt where it concerns Billy for how could a future not be fixed right then and there when Billy was right there meeting with Jmmanuel in flesh and blood?
Matt lee |
Cpl
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| | Posted on Friday, August 21, 2020 - 07:34 am: |
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Hi Matt you said:
I see a glaring contradiction in your statement that the future hasn't already happened yet, yet you used the example of Billy meeting with
Jmmanuel
I could be way off but the mere fact that Billy has met with Jmmanuel right then and there has cast in stone the very future as coming to
pass already without a shadow of doubt where it concerns Billy for how could a future not be fixed right then and there when Billy was right
there meeting with Jmmanuel in flesh and blood?
There is no contradiction in what I said. When Billy met Immanuel that future that is our present had not happened in Immanuel's time, only in ours. Things, or events, only occur when they do, not before. They may be preordained or fixed to happen, but that is very different from them having happened. Something ordained to happen has not happened. A future to be, cast in stone, still has not happened, or it would not be a future. The future meeting of Billy with Immanuel was fixed and occurred (we presume) but in that time Billy's future had only occurred for Billy, for whom it was his present. It would not and did not occur on Immanuel's Earth for another 2,000 years.
Maybe this will help appreciate what I am saying: time is also a reality in place or space. You cannot have two places or two times at the same time or place (unless they are in a different frequency dimension). Things happen when they do, not before or after. Events can be destined to happen, and they can be experienced in another time or place given the experiencer's or his or her consciousness’s displacement, but that is different; events only happen when they do.
That which is to happen in the future has not happened despite the fact that we could go and experience or witness it. Our experiencing of it or Billy's experience of the SF Big One doesn't mean it has happened. It hasn't. Billy merely went to the future and witnessed it there. It can, I suppose, get semantically confusing in the verb tense when we consider that Billy showed photos of what had happened in the future, but it had only happened in the future and in Billy's experience not in our present. It only happens when it does.
Chris
Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Jokubas_stalmokas
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| | Posted on Friday, August 21, 2020 - 02:50 pm: |
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Chris,
"don't get your times or realities in a twist" - wonderful. This one should be used for wishing good luck to future time traveller's before such journeys when our people will be capable of 
Regarding the time travel it could be my materialistic confusion but at the same time to be able to travel to future it must to my understanding already exist as a dimension in physical sense otherwise I won't be able to get there. It is true that my spirit form must go through many reincarnations to arrive there but also my physical present can jump into hyperspace where time is null and move through space where it can experience the future. If the process is future constantly going into the past then it somehow should be already established to some extent. I recently started reading Arahat Athersata and this spirit level in the beginning started explaining that it's existence is far in the future but it had to adjust to Billy's present and for some reason it was important for it to communicate the message through him even though it has passed Billy's present time. I might be wrong but the purpose behind is to guarantee that evolutional progress continues. It seems that different scenario can be chosen where we don't progress. My question is: which scenarios we get by default to process them and which ones are purely created by the power of our consciousness. As I understand if we get to know physical situations in advance we might impair our evolution by trying to divert them. |
Jokubas_stalmokas
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| | Posted on Friday, August 21, 2020 - 03:29 pm: |
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Kenneth,
"Billy was told by the Plejaren that he would lose his arm before it happened, there was nothing that they could do about it" and they mentioned these experiences were to help to better prepare for his mission. I do not know how it sounds in German but English translation gives an impression that some of the events in his life were 'steered' by some kind of cosmic powers.
Yes I agree all that time concept is not new to us and is stored somewhere and we slowly remembering it bit by bit. Obviously it's not happening in our lifetime otherwise we most likely would destroy ourselves |
Jokubas_stalmokas
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| | Posted on Friday, August 21, 2020 - 03:43 pm: |
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Matt,
True, some mysteries might not be revealed easily. Anyway we are already blessed with lots of revelations. if it wasnt for BEAM we would still be wandering clueless in this world. As much as I like to ponder over some ideas I took this to heart from Contact report 748
Billy's words: "Alright, just don't think about it, because Sfath always said that if something can't be understood, you have to let it go, because otherwise the human being could get behind it, so it could lead to a blowing of the fuses, so to speak, which would make it dark in the brain - if you understand what I mean." |
Eddieamartin
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| | Posted on Friday, August 21, 2020 - 03:47 pm: |
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The way I see it, based on all the conversation and the insightful posts, It would appear that BEAM visited Jmmanuel from the 'actual' future that came to be since Jmmanuel's efforts... based on cause & effect.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Imaginosdesdinova
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| | Posted on Friday, August 21, 2020 - 09:00 pm: |
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How I understand it ... if future doesn't already exist it wouldn't be possible to travel into the future. Future is some kind of dimension where time machine can tune into. If that dimension doesn't already exist that means time machine would somehow had to be able to calculate all probabilities and fast forward humans thoughts and actions to get to that certain place in space and time ... to me sounds like something just Creation is able to do. So IMO future is already existing and is certain. |
Kenneth
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| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2020 - 05:58 am: |
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Bob, (Phi_spiral ),
According to NASA and Einstein’s Theory of Relativity that joins space and time, astronauts age slower than people on Earth which is dependent on our position and speed as time appears to move faster or slower to us relative to others in a different part of space-time. Astronauts on the International Space Station age a little bit slower than people on Earth.
This apparently is due to time-dilation effects according to NASA, time appears to move slower near massive gravitational objects that bends space-time, which they call “gravitational time dilation”, time moves slower as gravity increases.
Then there is the second factor is called, “relative velocity time dilation” where time moves slower the faster you move.
There is this theoretical hypothesis with the twin scenario. One twin blasts off in a spaceship traveling close to the speed of light, and one twin stays behind on Earth. At some point when the space-traveling twin returns to Earth, she only aged a couple years, but her Earth-bound sister has aged over a decade.
In trying to prove this theory, NASA scientist launched an atomic clock into orbit while keeping an identical clock here on Earth; the space-clock returned running slightly behind the Earth-bound clock.
This sounds close to what Bob provided. Our scientists state that gravitational time dilation and relative velocity time dilation happens at the same time.
With respect to Mark and Scott Kelly, the twin astronauts, Scott spent one year on the International Space Station traveling about 260 miles (418.43 kilometres) above the Earth at 5 miles (8.04 kilometres) per second where the gravitational pull is weaker than on Earth. On the ISS, velocity time dilation has a greater effect than their gravitational time dilation, so astronauts end up aging slower than people on Earth.
As a result, astronaut Scott Kelly’s year-long stay on the ISS made him technically 0.01 second (one tenth) younger than his twin brother Mark Kelly who stayed on Earth.
When this is multiplied several thousand time the speed of light as in Billy’s great adventure, this appears to correlate with what Earth scientists are starting to figure out? We will eventually re-discover this Creational law of Cause and Effect.
Kenneth |
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| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2020 - 07:52 am: |
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All,
I would not assume that time dilation or age gained or lost via great space travel has the same, or even a similar tachyon or chronon effect as travelling directly through time while not traversing space, as for example, while remaining on planet Earth. This not to assume I think they don't, either.
Billy's statements relating to the chronon and tachyon changes concerned the latter form of pure time travel, but I do not recall him mentioning the same effect for deep space travel using hyperspace. The two could be quite different, because the two processes are different in certain respects, and require quite different technologies, although the complete mastership of very deep space travel employing hyperspace appears to soon lead to achieving pure time travel. Hyperspace travel does, however, seem to use tachyons in some way. It is an interesting question, but it would seem hasty to draw a conclusion one way or the other.
Science needs to be logically enunciated to the last detail or experimentally proven.
Chris
Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Newinitiation
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| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2020 - 12:12 pm: |
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Chris as I was reading your response a question came to mind in that does a person really have to experience firsthand something now as in right now in this very supposed present moment where the future meets the past split nanosecond in order for the future to be considered happening only in the future for future people rather than the people of the present residing in the so called present timeline.
Why does the future always have to depend on human being's perspective anyway when you consider the fact that time, whether now or in the future, exists independent of whether there is any human beings alive in order to experience it.
For me at least according to my logic irrespective of my limited understanding of time and time travel, I don't think time (personifying it) cares what people think, it just exists independent of human beings or anything else for that matter so as soon as anybody decides to time travel back into the past at a specific point in time what he is essentially bringing with him is every second that he has ever lived right up to the point where he did the time travelling, in another words he is bring with him a fixed past back to the further past that he has travelled to.
Surely Asket, Jitchi and Billy being right there in Jmmanuels time as a future time travellers in their respective ages and them meeting with Jmmanuel and others of that time have allowed them to experience firsthand a fixed future of sorts through these future time travellers even though for the sake of the argument they haven't travelled to the future with the exception of Jmmanuel.
The implication is that where it concerns Asket, Billy and Jitchi, the future is fixed that have already come to pass which cannot be changed one iota irrespective of whether Jmmanuel or others experience it or not.
So according to a certain definition of the word the future is already fixed and have already come to pass (definitely happened) irrespective of whether the so called present people in present timeline experience it or not because the future that has come to pass exists independent of the people in the present timeline.
So Billy, Asket and Jitchi being right there with Jmmanuel and his family and diciples alone is proof that they have brought the fixed future back to the past with them which completely throws out the notion of 'time is where and when you experience it' because the future that have come to pass exists independent of the 'present now where the future meets the past split nanosecond'
So according to how I see it Asket, Billy and Jitchi being there with Jmmanuel, even in his time, our present has already come to pass even for Jmmanuel even if he didn't or cannot experience it in his timeline.
Gee time is a paradox
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2020 - 12:38 pm: |
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Jakubas I think these kinds of discussion also serve a purpose which may or may not lead somewhere to further incremental micro discoveries, understanding, insight, revelation and cognition and depending on whether our progeny gets to see these discussions as a study material for them to look back to our era they may gauge how primitive our understanding of this topic was but all in all when this discussion fires up from time to time I enjoy the stark primitiveness of my own understanding of it or lack thereof and applaud our progeny for solving this puzzle.
Matt lee |
Eddieamartin
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| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2020 - 01:11 pm: |
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I had a thought.
Everything that exists, which includes the point in time between the past and future dimension we currently exist in here on Earth, is contained and regulated by the Universal consciousness Creation.
Since planets were created for the human experience and evolution of his/her consciousness. Then wouldn't the Creation universal consciousness not have been created for the evolution of the spiritform?
But here is a question: When Billy and Asket went back to visit Jmmanuel, was that dimension a construct, based on creational laws, of a "memory" such as the planetary and universal storage banks?
Did the energy(?) that composed and created that past-existence also dissolve once Billy and Asket boarded Asket's beamship and returned to the future?
I can understand that creational forces likely play a role for the manifestation/creation(?) of a past dimension and the people and places according to planetary/universal "memory".
Is the future a form of "memory" that is based on current causes and effects... which would explain how and why what ever creational forces are responsible for creating a dimension of past or future?
So how is the intuition able to peer into our future and alert us to something?
Is the intuition also subject to the same laws and recommendations that regulate time travel?
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Phi_spiral
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| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2020 - 08:14 pm: |
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Matt: "A question comes to mind are the Plejaren basically time travelling when they access fine matter sphere to travel all over the universe many billions of light years away as they reach many thousands of times the speed of light? If so then the fundamentals of time dilation is equated to the speed at which they travel so the faster they travel the more time dilates.(snip)If you can rip space through technology and get a black hole effect time can be nullified I am assuming so when you time travel you are either ripping space and everything within it without destroying it or transposing that particular space with something else to replace that specific area of space."
The Plejaren by-pass the problems associated with time dilation by using hyper-space(room)-jumps (Hyper-Raum-Sprung) for both time and space travel. According to their explanations, this is universally the most satisfactory way to overcome the barrier of space and time - fast and with certainty; namely, by the use of a “hyperspace”; i.e., higher-to-the-normal space that is outside the chronon-flow. (There is not one singular "hyperspace" but several fine-material 'rooms' available for this type of use, see additional info below*; but, the spiritual realm is not one of them because spiritual energy is ultra-fine and 'curved' in a way that it does not have a beginning or an end, it's shaped like a double spiral rotating in itself clockwise and counterclockwise, at the same time and therefore does not lend itself in the same way for the purpose of transmitting bundled energy - it is in an entirely different lane of its' own). Between these two rooms (Raum) a dimension gate (or in the case of another universe, a universe gate) is created by the most highest technical processes and immense electromagnetic energy is necessary which is the energy capacity of several nuclear power stations of earthly scale; the energy, nevertheless, can be generated from only 7 meters of area within the small spaceships. This transmitter technology simply called teletransmitter machine (Teletransmittermaschinen) or as time transmitter as well, the humans and their craft were de-materialized into bundles or “packages” of energy and re-materialized after jumping out.
-page 248, 249 Aus den Tiefan des Weltenraums
It is not technologically easy to access a hyper-space and successfully return. It takes very precise calculation that is very unforgiving of mistakes so everything must proceed with precise synchronicity. And Billy notes; there is unfortunately a costly learning curve, where novices first applying the process will get sent to the wrong place and get completely lost somewhere in the universe such that they never make it back home again; or worse, they do not successfully re-materialize and therefore float forever as an energy parcel.
-page 253, Aus den Tiefan des Weltenraums
The diagram below depicts how a typical hyper-space jump occurred at the beginning of Billy's contacts with the Plejaren. The spacecraft used a two phase pulse drive system, one to accelerate up to the speed of light and a second drive to make the hyperspace jump once at that speed. The first phase drive system used a combination of anti-gravitational and photon impulses. And the second drive used a combination of tachyon and anti-matter impulses. It also required a travel time of 3 ½ hours(3 1/2 Std.) to travel 153x10^6 km, in order to reach a safe distance away from any celestial object before making the hyperspace jump because it would create a vacuum effect that would literally shatter any planetary body within a certain distance creating potential dangerous projectiles (p.260). But these technologies were continually being improved upon during the interim of Billy’s contacts until the effective flight time shriveled from over seven hours to just seven minutes (p.261). The dimension gate technology they have now makes it possible for them to literally step through from their home planet to ours without a ship at all, but for safety and security reasons that may not be desirable.
Diagram by Guido Moosburger
*It is further explained in Existentes Leben im Universum that there exists in our creation-universe: seven, super, or semi-value-hyper-areas and innumerable wide normal-hyper-areas, that refined and yielded with the decay of the Chrononen river (decay of the speed of light through the half-life). And the existence of these most different hyper-areas, which have entirely different speed-constants of light therefore predominate (in the past higher and in the future lower), which enables it, that time-trips into the past or into the future can be carried out, however also trips into the timeless or in the zero-time.
Regards
Bob |
Newinitiation
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| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2020 - 10:21 pm: |
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But here is a question: When Billy and Asket went back to visit Jmmanuel, was that dimension a construct, based on creational laws, of a "memory" such as the planetary and universal storage banks?
Hi Eddie according to Christian's response to Pats question to Billy in response to my post the answer was a resounding 'no'.
Matt lee |
Str0323
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| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2020 - 10:22 pm: |
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Contact report 119 has information about time travel.
http://www.futureofmankind.info/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_119
Also, this contact report has other important lessons contained within it.
Salome
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Cpl
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Eddie,
Interesting post that calls for a response. Christian is indeed right. When Asket and Billy travelled back in time to meet Immanuel that time was not created then; it always exists as the past, and they just travelled there. Similarly, it remains when they leave it. It is just time and nothing magical. Nothing disappears into an absolute nothing. It's like Sydney is not created when you go there, it was always there, and, of course, it remains when you leave it. The same goes for time or the stream of time. The curious factor is that the future is not 100% fixed, whereas the past, of course, is.
The idea that dimensions are just instantaneously created is an aberration of fevered minds within the MWIs of Quantum Mechanics. That does not happen, and I think you will find Christian agrees. All it takes is a good dose of logical thinking to see how impossible that would be. I wrote a paper and short booklet on this, but it is only available in Japanese at present.
When anyone time travels into the past or future they do not, as I see it, take their past or future with them. All we have is what we are at the time, our past is always gone and no longer exists in the present except in effectual form (in terms of its effects). What do we in truth ever truly have or possess? Materially and time wise; ultimately nothing. We certainly don't have any time -- excuse the pun. Time is a dimension like space that we can visit by focusing our attention and practical plans on preparing for and performing the travel. We don't have or possess any place, although society maintains we can. We exist in space as we do time. All we possess is our ultimate nature which is also ever developing and evolving. The same goes for time: we are forever passing through it as it seems to pass through us.
I think modern quantum mechanics, especially the field of MWI (many world's interpretation), has done much to create significant confusion on the matter of time. I find it best to look on all those papers, writings and opinions and interpretations as science fiction to be studied and read but not adopted in one's thinking.
Time past and future exist in their dimension of time, but the future is not absolutely decided in every detail. I sometimes wonder whether another reason why the Plejaren do not travel far into the future is because only some of it (a bit or most) is fixed. I am sure I read somewhere that every time the Plejaren travel into the same future there are or would be minute changes. I cannot find this source and if anyone has it or knows that I am mistaken I would appreciate hearing from you. It actually makes sense, otherwise, there would be no such thing as free will and necessary creativity to make and determine independently our own future.
I will comment on how one sees the past and future inwardly in another post. I will also then comment on the so-called paradox of time. Spoiler: the Grandfather Paradox is a huge error, and it is amazing that our scientists still do not see through this bunkum. This paper of mine too has only been published in Japanese to date. Having said that it is in error, maybe you can figure it out for yourself. Had a discussion on this with some university science students early in the semester.
Chris
Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Cpl
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Eddie, re your post number 1241 that is as I see it too.
Chris
Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Eddieamartin
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Matt / Chris Thanks.
Fascinating discussion!
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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It seems that different scenario can be chosen where we don't progress. My question is: which scenarios we get by default to process them and which ones are purely created by the power of our consciousness. As I understand if we get to know physical situations in advance we might impair our evolution by trying to divert them. Jokubas.
We can all certainly make choices where we do not progress.
Your question as to which scenarios we get by default and which we create by the power of our consciousness is fascinating. I often ask it of myself too. I think it becomes a bit easier to discern this in later life, after all, most of one's life is probably over by then and so there is a bit more personal data that can be assimilated and correctly discerned. Looking back over my life (I cannot correctly look back over anybody else's life), I now know that there were some things I have done that I was supposed to do, but these were only really in an elementary outline. The details did not matter, because providing I engaged on the correct path or endeavour one way or another what was to be, or an equivalent would have developed. So, I think there are lots of acceptable alternatives along the way, and this again makes it difficult to know whether one is doing what one should be doing. Everyone's path is different. Some trails are singular and direct; others like mine may take many twists and turns because various data must come in from many areas and sources. For example, I had to study art full-time, and I had to learn to write professionally. The route and process did not matter much as long as what had to be done was done. In practice, I never began writing until I was over forty. The opportunity or necessity to spark me off was not present before then.
Curiously, when I was 30, I had never written anything. I used to draw and paint abstract or semi-abstract paintings. I met an extraordinary psychic older man near where I was living in north Queensland. I had an interest in knowing just a little about what to do in my life, as I was thinking of returning to Japan, but had no concrete goal. I went to see him out of curiosity as much as anything to see what he might say. After introductory niceties, he asked,
"Do you write, Chris?"
"No, only a few letters to friends."
"You have to write. They are telling me you have to write." I didn't ask him who "they" were. I kind of wish I had now, but I doubt he could have given a correct answer. I assumed he meant the "spirits" he thought he spoke to.
"There is something vital that you have to write, Chris. I don't know what it is, but it is something you have to do." We talked about some other things, and then he said again,
"You get on with this writing, Chris. Get on with it. Get on with it. Get it done." He felt an impatience over it as though I was procrastinating or not getting on with it as I should.
I had no idea at all what he was talking about, of course, back then in 1980. I do now. I had exactly the feeling he conveyed to me 35 ~ 40 years later, after I was about five years into writing They Are Here with Francisco. I was swamped with uni work but had to concentrate hard on writing the book, which was impossible during term times. Month after month, year after year, I had those feelings until the book was finally finished this year.
There were other writings I had to do too, not relating to Billy's materials that have helped other people elsewhere. An understanding of art and other things was necessary for those writings.
So this is, IMO, a small example of how a blueprint of necessity can be laid out for one's life, but how we fulfil it is reasonably open. It is also fundamental and sketchy, not every word of the book was decided. We rewrote it well over 20 times!
I also found out recently through checking Billy's figures on the best year to marry that for me, it was precisely the year I either met or married my wife. So, I guess that was pretty much "chosen" for me too. But the person, and I guess I could have made a mistake had I married earlier? I don't need to know the answer to the former. I never ask that question. We are happy together and care for each other; that is what is important. I had given up the idea of ever marrying because for over 20 years every girl I was interested in wasn't interested in me and every girl interested in me never interested me enough for me to think of marrying. Then one morning out of the blue, I had a dream of a wedding cake with a married couple on top explode into my consciousness, waking me up. "Wow! I'm getting married," I thought. I didn't know any likely candidates. Within two weeks, I met my wife for life.
It seems to me that trying to change or manipulate the future could bring all kinds of mishaps. The Plejaren have mentioned some. I have come to know that knowing the future is indeed a burden and requires wisdom to handle well, as Billy has often said. It is also extraordinarily easy to misinterpret the future seen. We tend to make assumptions on what we see or experience all the time. If there is any inaccuracy, as is often the case, we can plan incorrectly if we decide to plan something for the future. The natural path of development event after event, step by step, is the best because it challenges all our powers of discernment when the time comes to face a challenge or crisis. It is often how the person deals with the challenge or crisis as it arises that determines the real character and calibre of the person. IMO that is best for our development.
Chris
Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Jokubas_stalmokas
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Post Number: 91
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Matt, I cant argue this topic is definitely engaging and the thoughts shared among forum members gives different insights for contemplation. I doubt that people who read it in the future will have much better understanding of time travel, only in small circles of scholars like it is today. There are many technological advancements in our time but only a small group of scientists are able to understand the inner workings of them. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1246
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, August 23, 2020 - 11:41 am: |
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Great post#1333 Chris.
In retrospect, I too can see what you're talking about in my own life. I can see how everything prepared me for the Meier case and material. Helping me immensely in my life since I began to gain cognitions and contributing to my own sense of the responsibility and how I can make my own conscientious contributions. One day, I would like to share with the youth and adults of this world, how the spiritual teaching empowers them. All sorts of creative ideas have nested in my mind and are only awaiting the next milestone.
Thanks for sharing.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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