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Kenneth
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Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2020 - 09:34 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Matt lee (Newinitiation),

You said, “With all the logistics, time, money, people, resources and technical knowhow involved I tend to lean towards the highly technological Bafath�

At this point, all options are on the table. However, you made a good point in referencing that some people could have been telenotically influenced when referring to the terrestrial secret service, MIB etc.

Keep in mind, regardless of what politicians say, the Central Intelligence Agency does not have a set budget; they get whatever resources they need. All of the state of the art inventions go to the secret services first; possibly including some form of basic or elementary time travel technology etc., to include cloaking strategies and devices.

They do not follow conventional or established laws of the general public. Lying, deception, killing, gun and drug trafficking is all part of their modus operandi.

Presumably we also have the Bafath the have died on Earth, so who knows how that spiritform has embodied. Presumably, time will tell?

Kenneth
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Hugo
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"I wonder if the Giza Intelligences had timetravelling technology.
How in the heck could they have known what Asket and Nera..."


Newinitiation,

The Bafath may have been able to see into the future with their conscious powers like Billy can.
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Newinitiation
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The CIA's SOG team is a secret army that is equipped with every imaginable weapon, and indeed also with ones that even the US Army can only dream about.

http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash4/blltn_30.htm


Keep in mind, regardless of what politicians say, the Central Intelligence Agency does not have a set budget; they get whatever resources they need. All of the state of the art inventions go to the secret services first; possibly including some form of basic or elementary time travel technology etc., to include cloaking strategies and devices.


No doubt Kenneth I wholeheartedly agree.
Its staggering that out of the hundreds of thousands of people employed by the CIA or loosely connected as subcontractors, spies, double agents, mercenaries, analysts, suppliers, partners, paper pushers, assassins, corporate affiliates, private companies, retired military officers and state department officials and so on in one capacity or another over 1.5 million or more of them have security clearances from controlled unclassified, public trust position, confidential, secret, top secret and compartmented levels strictly on a need-to-know basis that requires pre-authorisation.

And as everyone knows whatever the security clearance one holds it entailed specialised knowledge and information as a need to know basis and with it a special form of power only the holders of that clearance have.

Imagine just how many of are involved in the black budget special access programs that are to do with Majic (not magic) technologies involving high precision electronics and alternative weapons technology not to mention antigravity, space and technologies to do with manipulating objects non locally.

I would imagine that by now the technologies from secret black budget highly compartmentalized, need to know special access programs are many decades more advanced than the mainstream sciences.

Matt lee
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Justsayno
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Greg Garrison is likely the “cut and paste” producer and director from the Dean Martin Show who was responsible for putting the pictures together. He pretended to do live shows but it’s been said that many of the actors in the live performances were never even in the same room together. He also helped with the DVD release of the Dean Martin Show which proves double access to both the original version and DVD version. He died March 25, 2005 with no history other than having been born with the name Harvin Ginsburg and then starting his career in the film industry. Looking at his interviews, he’s a pretty shady character.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Newinitiation
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Yeah Hugo from what you said it elicited a vague memory of mine where I recall the Plejaren stating that the GI were equal to them in certain matters so I wouldn't surprised if what you said was true.

Just applying a bit of logic to the issue on Asket and Nera's forged photos there is no possible way in terrestrial terms that that photo of Dean Martin show could've been taken by chance only with Michelle and Susan posing as they did near identical to Billy's photo of Asket and Nera unless they were telenotically steered, like you said, the GI future viewed through their power of consciousness of the event happening or that they had timetravelling technologies.

Matt lee
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Newinitiation
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Sheila if I am not wrong are you indicating that Greg had a role to play in this Asket and Nera forged photo saga?

Matt lee
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Bianca
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HI Matt,
You have mentioned so many secret cia compartmentalised activities but you neglected to mention the one that is still mostly hidden/unknown... please have a read about the australian woman named Fiona Barnett. Since Dyson has left this d/b no one mentions the human cost of children any more. Why?
In my opinion this issue is brushed over because all world governments are in on it, so imagine what would happen if this global cabal falls into ruin... and J. Assange must rots in jail therefore, consequently who would lead this corrupt world...?
I dont know what to imagine...
…Everything is in One, and One is in all, and everything is there in this infinite Creation for every single being, and the single being is there for the whole extensive All.
OM
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Posted on Thursday, January 16, 2020 - 09:13 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Apropos UFOs
… There is some mention in CR 723 (latest ZZ):

Ptaah tells Billy “... That your silence is of many kinds, as well as that you had to test us in many ways on my father's behalf by your pretending ignorance and by asking certain questions, I can also understand, because through this we, especially my daughter Semjase, Quetzal and I, have grown into our task and have also dutifully kept to our directives….” **)
He tells Billy that he now knows that Billy all along knew who the 3 other [non Plejaren] groups were whose spaceships can be seen flying over our planet:
- those foreign to Earth
- those living now on Earth (deep under the surface of Earth in underground bases)
- those [Earthlings] travelling back from the future to today’s Earth

As Sfath had advised Ptaah to stay away from these groups (and Ptaah, Quetzal, Semjase etc. did so) Because of that the Plejaren do not know much about these groups. But Ptaah now knows (after finding corresponding information from his father in a large library) that Billy had only pretended to be ignorant, asking the Plejaren for information about these groups when he, indeed, knew much more about them then the Plejaren did.

So he asks Billy to tell him what he knows about those groups that roam in their spaceships in our skies. Billy - in keeping a promise to Sfath - will tell Ptaah but not us Earth humans “… Sfath told me that if you [=Ptaah] ask about it, but only in this case, then I may talk about it, but I must keep silent about it elsewhere, by which I mean towards the Earth human beings. So for me the silence still applies in regards to these UFOs, and as well in relation to various other things …” ***)

I wonder whether Ptaah’s interest to know about these groups may have to do with the soon to be expected supernova of Betelgeuse - the home of the ET androids from Roswell (who – IMO - most likely belong to the ETs that are “foreign to Earth”) *)

Salome, Bill

*) For those interested in the UFOs in our skies
https://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/14997.html#POST79891
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/14997.html#POST79894
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/14997.html#POST79896
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/14997.html#POST79902
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/14997.html#POST79903
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/14997.html#POST79906
(My “findings” from combining the info from several CRs in Dec. 2016)

German Original
**)
"Ptaah: ….Dass dein Schweigen vielfältiger Art ist, wie auch, dass du uns in mancherlei Weise im Auftrag meines Vaters durch dein Vorgeben einer Unwissenheit und durch bestimmte Fragen uns prüfen musstest, das kann ich ebenfalls verstehen, denn dadurch sind wir, besonders meine Tochter Semjase, Quetzal und ich in unsere Aufgabe hineingewachsen und haben uns auch pflichtig an unsere Direktiven gehalten."
***)
"...Sfath hat mir gesagt, dass wenn ihr danach fragt, aber eben nur in diesem Fall, dann dürfe ich darüber reden, wobei ich anderweitig aber schweigen müsse, womit ich gegenüber den Menschen der Erde meine. Also gilt für mich weiterhin das Schweigen in der Sache mit diesen UFOs, und zwar auch in bezug auf diverse andere Dinge …."
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Alien Races in CRs: Who Are The “Alien To Earth” ETs In Our Skies?

There are 3 “Alien to Earth” groups operating on Earth: One group each for N-/S-America , Africa/Europe and Australia/Asia.
We know that all three are of the same race (Ptaah in CR 532).
But where are they from? Who could this race be, judging by the CR information we know?

CR 37:07-56
In 1975 Semjase explains that “for quite some time yet unknown intelligences have been visiting Earth and that they are aware
of them because of the when they abducted Betty and Barney Hill for 127 minutes, brought them in their spaceship and conducted a physical-chemical analysis of them. No harm was done to B. and B. Hill. They investigated this matter because of a (1975) new incident (about which she has to be quiet). They are 123- 163 cm tall and come from Zeti Reticuli (37 LY from Earth)
They (may wear Phantom-like space suits but) are peaceful HUMANOIDS.
Billy finds she is very tight-lipped in revealing more about these ET humanoids.
www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_037

CR 39:260-272
Descendants of the original Hyperboreans (those that gave Henoch great wisdom, some 18-19,000 (or 180-190,000?) years ago)
lived in Mt Shasta (Note: Acc to more recent CRs the Plejaren had advised them to leave and they are no longer on our planet)
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_039

CR 215:74-98 Quetzal tells Billy that Roswell ANDROIDS come from Reticulum system
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_215

CR 238:246-248
There is no connection between the American secret services / government and little greys from Reticuli. Ptaah calls these suggestions “crazy, deceptive fantsies by power hungry elements that want to make many kinds of profit from it."
www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_238

CR 246:47-49
Ptaah explains that the abduction of Betty and Barney Hill is the reason that a “well-managed” false propaganda created “imaginative stories about little Greys” creating a false reality
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_246

CR 253:33-39
Despite travelling back in time to the Roswell crash the Plejaren could not find any evidence that would verify the footage of the Roswell movie (they could not find any Jack Barnett or Jack Barett) Acc. to the Plejaren the movie is a disgraceful and tasteless forgery.
www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_253

CR 532
Ptaah tells Billy that their technology is of a high state – but that their consciousness development is not yet sufficiently developed and that for that reason they cannot get in contact with them. The Plejaren cannot tell Billy where they come from because they did not get in contact with them. They suppose they are on Earth on a more permanent basis.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_532

CR 578
Ptaah tells B. that the “Alien to Earth” group of ETs flying the UFOs in our night sky have – according to ancient Plejaren records - visited Earth for the past 5000 years. That Plejaren have always avoided contact with them. But to make sure they are, indeed, peaceful, they now used a new Sonaer technique to investigate them and make sure they are of no danger to the Plejaren.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_578

CR 723 (not yet published)
Ptaah tells Billy that his father’s annals reveal he (Billy) always knew more about the ETs in Earth’s skies then the Plejaren did.
He asks him to tell him more about them. Bill agrees but tells him this information *) can only be for him not for Earth humans

--------------------------- My conclusion: ---------------------------
If “visitors” from Zeti Reticuli crashed in Roswell in 1947, abducted B. and B. Hill in 1961 and were – according to Semjase in 1975 - known since then by the Plejaren (Semjase indicated in CR 37 they had another incident in 1975).
Semjase calls them "humanoid" - Quetzal "android".

IMO, despite the fact that a great many deceptive phantasy reports are circulated about them (Little Greys - Tall Greys) - they may well be the “Alien to Earth” ETs that – as Ptaah explains – (came to Earth for the past 5,000 years and) are now more permanently stationed on Earth).

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*)
Though Billy cannot give us Earthlings the same detailed information that he gave to Ptaah, he clarifies that Earth human anxieties re. ETs are - to a large degree – overdone.
For his detailed explanation see CR 257 : Part2
www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_257 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PS
Please ignore my reference (post 1048) re. whether Betelgeuse (being close to explode in a super nova) may have had caused Ptaah to enquire (CR723) for more info from Billy about the “Alien to Earth” group of ETs.
Not only may this possibility only rather vague, Betelgeuse (700 LY away from Sun) is as well too far away from Zeti Reticulum (distance to Sun: 39 LY) to greatly affect the people living in the Zeti Reticulum region.

(Message edited by scott on January 18, 2020)
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Scott
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Bill,
You might want to take a look at Contact 424 regarding the Hills and their experiences: Betty and Barney Hill
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Newinitiation
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Bill a question that lingers in my mind about the Zeti Reticulans is that if they had been on earth for over 5000 years and have a permanent base on earth why would they require an android expeditionary ships to be sent to Roswell back in 1947 yet with all their technology were unable to carry out a swift recovery operation.

Some people theorise that their flying saucers were brought down due to US military radar but here again something just doesn't add up because even before they'd arrived on earth their technology must've be unbelievable sophisticated over 5000 years ago to have successfully made the trip from that far away to earth let alone finding this place and to be brought down by primitive earth technology when they must've had 5000 years to study and keep abreast of so many things about us earthlings just doesn't accord with logic.

What of their relationship to the GI and bafath during the 5000 years and how much were they involved in earthly affairs in ancient times and to the building and rebuilding the pyramids and other marvellous structures all around the world.

Billy attributes cosmic electromagnetic influences that inspires people to create the Zeti Reticulan looking crop circles
So who exactly is being influenced to create them especially this one

“Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES.
Much PAIN but still time.
(Damaged word).
There is GOOD out there.
We OPpose DECEPTION.
Conduit CLOSING
(BELL SOUND).”

Could the Zeti Reticulans be classed as 'future earth beings' with their homeworld in another dimension being shifted slightly a few seconds into the future like the plejaren therefore the genuine crop circle makers are none other than this group?

Matt lee
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Newinitiation
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Billy attributes cosmic electromagnetic influences that inspires people to create the Zeti Reticulan looking crop circles
So who exactly is being influenced to create them especially this one


Corrections.

Billy attributes cosmic electromagnetic influences that inspires people to create crop circles and one example I think being the Zeti Reticulan (the grey ET) with a binary code crop circles
So who exactly is being influenced to create them especially this one?

Matt lee
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Thank you Scott.

It is good that our discussion brought out this inconsistency.

So, Betty and Barny Hill had no contact with aliens as reported in CR 37 and CR 38.
And Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker (and 31 other?) Earthlings were perhaps not forcibly contacted, either (CR 38:106-115)

The questions that remain are:

1. How do we explain Semjase’s rather detailed information?
2. Which information still stands ? Is her more general info still valid ?
E.g.
- "For quite some time so far unknown intelligences have been visiting Earth" (Yes, Ptaah confirms this in CR 723)
"They originate from the planetary and star system Zeti Reticuli"
(Rather likely since Quetzal tells us the Roswell androids are from this Star system)

It may be helpful if
- Figu HQ had all CRs on a large computer file with a large index
- Whenever there is a change to what was said before
a) there should be a search through this large computer file / index to find areas in which the now outdated data is stored:
b) wherever possible (e.g. FoM web site) this outdated information should be annotated with an explanation
- why this outdated information was given,
- why it was changed and
- where the new information can be found (in-text hyperlink)

Yes, this does take some time to establish.
But it would present readers with a consistent flow of events.

Salome, Bill
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Ptaah hinted that his father's annals did not contain any information about human abductions and that they only clarified these questions - through Billy's questions - over the course of many years:
.
From CR 723 (latest Figu ZZ)
My translation may contain errors

ENGLISH
Neither from aliens [foreign] to Earth [3 different groups/maybe Roswell aliens], nor those from the Earth future [those returning to Earth from the future], nor those from Earth [blue race?] were exact details to be found in the annals [=Sfath's annals], as well as no details were contained therein regarding many of your questions.
This was also true with regard to ABDUCTIONS OF EARTHHUMAN BEINGS BY ALIENS foreign to earth, whereby such abductions were strange to us because we had always not cared about them and never made ourselves recognizable to them and only in the course of the years could we clarify these things through your questions etc.
And we did not let ourselves be recognized by all of them because already at the beginning of my father's annals there was a clear warning against ever coming into contact with the earth strangers and future generations, just as we should never enter the direct area of their flying machines.

GERMAN ORIGINAL
Weder von den Erdfremden und Erdzukünftigen noch von den Irdischen waren in den Annalen genaue Angaben zu finden, wie auch keine Angaben darin enthalten waren hinsichtlich vieler deiner Fragen. Dies traf auch zu in bezug auf Entführungen von Erdenmenschen durch Erdfremde, wobei uns solche Entführungen fremd waren, weil wir uns seit jeher nicht um sie kümmerten, und uns ihnen nie erkennbar machten und erst im Lauf der Jahre durch deine Fragen diese Dinge klären konnten usw.
Und wir liessen uns bei ihnen allen darum nicht erkennen, weil bereits am Anfang der Annalen meines Vaters klar davor gewarnt wurde, jemals mit den Erdfremden und Zukünftigen in Kontakt zu treten, wie wir auch nie in den direkten Bereich ihrer Fluggeräte eindringen sollen,
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Hi Matt,

Though I do not know their mission ^) they may have been alerted by the nuclear tests of us earthlings. *)
I do agree with you that it is a hard to believe that the “alien to Earth” race’s spaceship was brought down by base radar:
Ptaah tells us that the spaceships of the “Alien to Earth” spacecraft “compared with theirs”. And the Plejaren spaceships could never be harmed by terrestrial radar.

It is assumed but not a certainty that radar brought the Roswell spaceship down. So you may have a valid argument here. Then again – if there is only one “alien to Earth” ET race and they are not the Roswell Zeti Reticuli – would the Roswell ETs not be an “additional” alien race?

It is not quite clear why Ptaah wanted to know more about these alien race from Billy ^^)

It may have been only a lack of information because his father Sfath had warned him not to get into contact with any aliens ^^^)
Or Ptaah may have wanted some information from Billy to check whether he could offer them an association with their (Plejaren) Federation [?] **) Their relatively high technological state would support – their “not taking too much care of creational principles” would speak against the latter hypothesis

This is as much as I can tell you at the moment ***)in relation to your question, Matt.

Salome, Bill

-------------------------------------------------
^)
We may exclude discussing the findings of Air Force Flight Nurse Matilda O’Donnell MacElroy who supposedly had telepathic conversations with the one android that – according to her - survived for a short time and that she had to interview.. (“Alien Interview”) - and most likely the Figu Forum would tell us it is fake…

^^) Ptaah to Billy in CR 723:
Ptaah “It is a fact that there are three groups of alien beings on earth, and that all of them have been appearing since ancient times, and certain related occurrences and the appearance of countless unknown flying objects of alien life forms correspond to reality”
“Although we did well to restrain ourselves and not to make ourselves recognizable to the strangers, on the other hand we did not gain any insights that might have been important for us.”

^^^) It could have been to prevent any aggression like the Plejaren had some 52,000 years ago:
“But we will continue to do so [= not getting in contact with those alien to Earth], because this is what our directives specify, which is why we do not know too much about these groups, which is also good for us, because we do not run the risk of being confronted with anything that could force us to take defensive measures and fall back into the same warlike behaviour as our ancestors did more than 52,000 years ago.”


German Original
(Excepts from CR 723 – My translations (above) may contain errors)

“Tatsache ist, dass drei Gruppierungen Fremder auf der Erde sind und dass alle schon seit alters her in Erscheinung tretende und gewisse damit zusammenhängende Vorkommnisse und das Auftreten unzähliger unbekannter Flugobjekte fremder Lebensformen der Realität entspricht”
„Zwar haben wir gut daran getan, uns zurückzuhalten und uns gegenüber den Fremden nicht erkennbar zu machen, anderseits aber haben wir dadurch keine Erkenntnisse gewonnen, die für uns vielleicht von Bedeutung gewesen wären.“
„Das aber werden wir auch weiterhin tun, weil dies unsere Direktiven bestimmen, weshalb wir auch nicht allzuviel von diesen Gruppierungen wissen, was aber auch gut für uns ist, weil wir dadurch nicht einer Gefahr verfallen, mit irgendwelchen Dingen konfrontiert zu werden, die uns zu wehrhaften Massnahmen zwingen und in die gleichen kriegerischen Verhaltensweisen zurückfallen lassen könnten, wie das vor mehr als 52 000 Jahren noch bei unseren damaligen Vorfahren der Fall war.“

*)
This is only an educated guess and my description may not contain all the details:
Acc. to Col (ret) PJ Corso, the ET androids flew over a highly sensitive military area and we may speculate that they were curious to know “what next on planet Earth” – There were 3 radar stations in close vicinity: the Base Radar of the army’s 509th airfield (just o/s Roswell), the radar at White Sands (where the army tested German V2 rockets) and - last not least – the radar protecting Alamogordo (nuclear (Trinity !) test side) - (Kenneth might know much more details …) – The radar operators tell us that logging onto the spacecraft was almost impossible: – no one knew was it just 1 UFO or more - its or their speed was so fast operators at the radar screens could hardly follow all the blips appearing on one end of their screen then on the other. But in the end it were so many blips that it became really – absolutely- uncontrollably - serious… ! The Army counterintelligence (rushed in from Washington) signalled Red Alert -some thought it was an enemy aircraft that had slipped through the radar controls along the Canadian border – others were sure it was the Russians (spying) - …

(- Footnote –)
… But the people in Roswell seemed to have loved it:
Some shop owners in Roswell set up chairs to watch the spectacle…
Col.(ret.) PJ Corso: “They may have found the lightning like, large bright oval object over their house better than the 4th of July fireworks…”
(It started on the night of July 1, 1947 and went on till the day of the crash (July 7)…)

**)
Ptaah tells Billy that they had made other aliens that visited Earth (like e.g. the Cygnians (Asina)) , members of their federation.

***)
As we speak the FoM website is down for maintenance so I cannot research more Figu info about the Roswell case...
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Didn't Quetzal say that the Roswell crash was deliberately crashed? I remember that they were crashed in several countries... not just the U.S.
Salome,
Eddie

In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Thank you for asking this question, Eddy

Because there is some confusing CR information
in relation to crashes of alien spacecraft in the CRs:

-- - CR 257 Part 2 contains an essay by Billy about "ETs" in which he mentions that the Roswell crash is only one of many:
“The truth is that the … had already received debris from crashed ET aircraft and mutilated bodies of ETs in the past, but under the strictest secrecy …” Ptaah confirms that Billy’s article is good and conforms to the truth.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_257

--- CR 251 mentions as well some crashes in the years after Roswell (e.g. in Aztek, NM and later on the Mexican border..)
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251

--- But in CR 428:35-36 *) Ptaah tells Billy that any other crashes are nonsense, wild fantasies, lies
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_428

There is a need to clarify the truth.

Salome, Bill

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*) NB
In CR 428 Ptaah mentions as well that during the past 200 years there were no other ETs in the skies apart from the Roswell ones and the Plejaren
If this is so, it would strengthen the hypothesis that the alien ETs in our skies are from Zeti Reticuli (as the EBEs from Roswell were).
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Kenneth
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Greetings Bill (Tat_tvam_asi),

Regarding your post 1157 on the following:

…*) This is only an educated guess and my description may not contain all the details: Acc. to Col (ret) PJ Corso, the ET androids flew over a highly sensitive military area and we may speculate that they were curious…//…”the radar protecting Alamogordo (nuclear (Trinity!) test side) - (Kenneth might know much more details”…

The information that I have would be consistent with your statements. Anything more would only be conjecture. There may very well be additional information regarding this incident, but the military is very tight lipped about this.

Nonetheless, Col. Corso has stated that there was a covert government group that was affiliated with Majestic 12 to collect all information on off-planet technology. This was when the U.S. administration simultaneously discounted the existence of flying saucers in the eyes of the public.

Philip James Corso claimed that the reverse engineering of these artifacts indirectly led to the development of accelerated particle beam devices, fiber optics, lasers, integrated circuit chips, Kevlar material and much more.

However, I was also involved during the development of the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI). Col. Corso stated that SDI, or "Star Wars", was meant to achieve the destructive capacity of electronic guidance systems in incoming enemy warheads, as well as the disabling of enemy spacecraft. There was definitely a leap in technology.

It was noted that Philip did not say, “Disabling extraterrestrial spacecraft”, he said “enemy spacecraft! In my opinion, he knows more than what he can say.


Philip James Corso

Kenneth
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Thanks Bill for the information
There really is so much restriction on what Billy can talk about to us earthlings isn't there due to our ignorance.
He has to cater for everyone hence certain things remain private.

Matt lee
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Thank you, Kenneth.
Salome, Bill
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Col.Corso said 'give them what they want'
Not for awhile I don't think.
There is just too much at stake for the Dark Order and their vision for the New World Order
They will only relent when they have achieved their grand technocratic vision and their power so complete that it matters little what the masses think by then.
I would like to put 66,600 of them in a dungeon like Kamagol did to his father so that the spiritual teaching can flourish unimpeded by white noise.


Matt lee
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Further info re. abductions of human beings by ETs

(Billy answering some of the questions a reader asked - printed in the latest Figu ZZ (ZZ 135 of Feb 1, 2020)

Related discussion:
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/2119.html#POST88348
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/2119.html#POST88350

16. What about those people who were abducted by extra-terrestrials etc. ?
Answer: I don't have any precise knowledge about abductions of earthlings by extra-terrestrials, nor do I know of people who have had such experiences. But, in this regard, the Plejaren explain that such events may well have been caused by the aliens operating around on Earth, but they [Plejaren] would not care about that at all.
Basically such abduction machinations, if such [those] actually take place, [they] can be traced back to other intelligences, whereby the Plejaren have nothing to do with such abductions. The Plejaren themselves do not want to have anything to do with those alien to Earth, as they call these other intelligences, so they protect themselves from being seen and being located by the strangers, because they do not want to enter into any contact relations with them, neither [do they want to do so] with earthlings.
Regarding the "Men in Black" and "Underwater UFO stations" I am not allowed to give any information about them.

German Original
16. Was ist mit jenen Leuten, die von Ausserirdischen entführt usw. Antwort: Bezüglich Entführungen von Erdlingen durch Ausserirdische habe ich weder irgendwelche genaue Kenntnisse, noch kenne ich Leute, die solcherart Erlebnisse hatten und dementsprechende Erfahrungen machten. Dazu aber erklären die Plejaren, dass sich solche Ereignisse wohl ergeben hätten, durch die Fremden, die auf der Erde herumfunktionieren, worum sie sich aber absolut nicht kümmern würden.
Grundsätzlich führen solche Entführungsmachenschaften, wenn solche tatsächlich stattfinden, auf andere Intelligenzen zurück, wobei die Plejaren nichts mit solchen Entführungen zu tun haben. Die Plejaren selbst wollen ihrerseits nichts mit den Fremden auf der Erde zu tun haben, wie sie diese anderen Intelligenzen nennen, folgedem schützen sie sich gegen jede Sicht und Ortung der Fremden, weil sie auch unter keinen Umständen mit diesen in irgendwelche Kontaktbeziehungen treten wollen, wie auch nicht mit Erdlingen.
Bezüglich den "Men in Black" und "Unterwasser UFO Stationen" ist es mir nicht erlaubt, darüber irgendwelche Auskünfte zu geben,

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