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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1266
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, September 27, 2020 - 03:20 pm: | 
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Regarding the Plejaren life span and their choice not to extend their lives through a rejuvenation technology.
In the book Arahat Athersata, German/English page 124 beginning at line 442 there is a great explanation about the "evolution-based form of the spirit".
This really puts things into perspective. No wonder the Plejaren choose not to extend their natural lives.
What an amazing insight and explanations from an Arahat Athersata spiritform.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1484
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, September 28, 2020 - 08:13 am: |
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Hi Eddy,
For those of us who do not have the AA book -
would you be able to explain or extract a few snippets of the "evolution based form of the spirit" ?
Thank you.
Salome, Bill |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1206
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Monday, September 28, 2020 - 09:00 am: |
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Yes, the story of Gilgamesh is remarkably interesting.
Statues of his likeness are all over the world.
Near Qinghai Lake, Northwest of the Tibetan Plateau in China
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Gilgamesh statue at University of Sydney
 
If I have the opportunity to visit Sydney again, this statue is one of the many sites/location . . .
Kenneth |
Scott
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Post Number: 3177
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, September 28, 2020 - 12:51 pm: |
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If I recall there is information about Gilgamesh in this book:
https://shop.figu.org/b%C3%BCcher/der-rosarote-kristall
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1267
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, September 28, 2020 - 01:58 pm: |
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Tat_tvam_asi
Salome Bill,
Honestly, I would be doing everyone an injustice if I only posted some snippets which would serve nothing... and would only lead to everyone requesting more snippets.
I highly recommend ordering the book because there is a prelude before it that is essential. It's really mind expanding insights, explanations and so forth that everyone deserves to read and contemplate.
Once you have the book, you will understand.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Ilovebilly
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Post Number: 645
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, September 28, 2020 - 04:30 pm: |
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Gilgamesh is not of the Nokodemjon lineage so would have a different mission/evolution, maybe also a different type of spirit
He would have an instinct bassed spirit, many of the first thousands of years would be like a child, learning...
Any of the spirit form types can act just like us, even plants...
Billy named his daughter after her so he is a good bloke
Salome
ilovebilly
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Scott
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Post Number: 3178
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, September 28, 2020 - 05:49 pm: |
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Ilovebilly,
I am not sure I understand your reference to "a different type of spirit"? From my limited knowledge I would assume he had a conscious consciousness which means he had an awareness of who he was and was able to utilize his knowledge in a conscious way. Although our knowledge of him is limited I think it can be acknowledged he was a very evolved human being, considering how he got here etc... |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1485
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 29, 2020 - 07:56 pm: |
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It is our decisions in life, Eddy...
They are what returns to us.
Salome, Bill |
Ilovebilly
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Post Number: 647
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 30, 2020 - 02:49 am: |
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Gday Scot
yes he would be highly evolved, any of the spirit form types can be highly evolved though..
i do think your asumption is more likely.
But here is a thought: a snake evolves to a point where it has our form but its instinctive, it could still do what we do, and build beam ships etc..
i will be pondering this more over time
Salome
ilovebilly
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Scott
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Post Number: 3179
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 30, 2020 - 07:15 am: |
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Ilovebilly, No pressure  .... |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2485
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, November 29, 2020 - 07:53 pm: |
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/images/5/54/09_07_1975_Fuehsbuhl-Hofhalden_65.jpg
Does anyone here notice an anomaly in this photo?
I think there is proof from this photo that backs up Semjase's statement that it was a real projection.
Can you see it?
Matt lee |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1301
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2020 - 09:41 am: |
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Hey Matt,
Didn't Semjase say the tree existed further down (away) from the projection?
I was trying to see if the tree could be recognized in the photo where you see trees in the background.
Was this photo cropped? Maybe the actual tree can be spotted in the background? The Plejaren should love a mystery.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2488
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2020 - 06:34 pm: |
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G'day Eddie how are you going.
It concerns Semjase's beamship shadows man.
It was always in the back of my mind unreconciled for a very long time dismissed by me as some oddity until the missing piece of the jigsaw puzzle 'real projection' was announced.
Everything clicked hereafter.
Eddie can you see from these pictures of Semjase's beamship wrapped around the tree that the shadows as I have indicated is definitely incongruent with the surrounding landscape?
If the shadow is cast onto the surface facing us then rightfully there should definitely be a tree around about the same size as the fir tree behind the beamship in front of the beamship.
The shadow appears to be quite defined meaning that it had to have been a large object close to the beamship in order for it to cast the kind of shadow that is reflected off of her ship.
This is worth investigating further as this clue I think is a good indication backing up the claim that it is a real projection.
Can you imagine how ridiculous the skeptic's contentions have further become that its a small model with a miniture tree.
If so then how do you explain the shadows?
What the hell is casting it the boogyman.
Here it is...
Matt lee |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1303
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, November 30, 2020 - 10:18 pm: |
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Matt,
To add further to this mystery. Are those "shadows" ...or reflections??
In image #2 and #4 (the close ups) it almost looks like the reflection of a house (or barn??).
I say this because note the differences with the reflections of the tree.
It could be a reflection of the landscape... or a structure such as a house or barn.
If only we could spot the tree according to the clue offered by Semjase.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Joe
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Post Number: 578
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 12:49 am: |
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Newinitiation (Matt),
In my opinion, I see nothing to indicate that this is a photo which you have posted is of a real projection of a tree and a beamship. That's probably because it is at least very difficult if not impossible to distinguish what is real and what is a real projection. Remember, the ONLY reason why we are even discussing the subject about Semjase's beamship photos now is because only recently did Billy mention that those photos of Semjase's beamship and the tree were actually that of a real projection. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2488
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 09:50 am: |
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Thanks for the correction Eddie.
Yes I meant reflection.
I am not sure what is causing the reflection and from which surrounding area that Semjase decided to the real projection from.
Obviously I don't have all the answers but only a plausible explanation, description and an hypothesis that I think is most likely based on logical reasoning.
The most important point to focus on is the fact that there is definitely a large reflection but the question is what is causing it, as an object, whether another tree or a house must have to be very close to Semjase's beamship in order for it to make such a large reflection on her flying saucer but its nowhere close enough on those photos for it to be seen and photo number 3 reflection D is a great example showcasing this anomaly which may go to prove that its a 'real projection'.
But who knows unless Billy elaborates further in the future CR.
Matt lee |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1304
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 10:45 am: |
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Joe,
Excellent points. To add to your point, originally, it was thought that the tree had been eliminated, but Semjase offered the clue that the tree actually exists but located at a distance from the projection.
Matt,
We have already experienced the foresight the Plejaren are capable of when it comes to hidden gems that are eventually discovered through analysis and observation.
Two things stand out to me.
1. Semjase gave a clue that the actual tree and demonstration occurred some distance from where the photos/film(?) was taken.
2. Your photo #2-C
> It is obvious that the reflection has a sharp end just before the beamship's view-window.
If this reflection is that of landscape, then that's the end of a row of trees.
If it's a reflection of a house or barn (structure) then it's the wall. Notice the sharp angle of the "wall" that doesn't touch the beamship viewing-window.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2489
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 11:20 am: |
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Hi Joe you said.
In my opinion, I see nothing to indicate that this is a photo which you have posted is of a real projection of a tree and a beamship.
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Joe I think you may have to reread the contact notes as you may have missed what Ptaah stated to Billy.
If you miss one set of data the conclusion becomes totally different so we have to stick with the data that most conforms with the truth so that we get the truth back.
Ptaah mentioned that Semajase told him that these series of photos of her beamship wrapped around the tree was done with real projection.
I can't argue with Ptaah although others have tried and failed miserably especially the pseudo skeptics trying to refute Ptaah and Billy's many truthful claims.
I think we need to get our priorities straightened out here.
There is no arguing that the photos I have posted...
1) Is that of a real metallic space craft manufactured on another planet by human beings not from this planet.
2) Is Semjase's beamship
3) Is piloted by Semjase
4) Is strategically and deliberately positioned around the tree just for Billy to take picture of.
5) Is taken by Billy
6) Is a 'real projection' because we were told that it was just as everything that we have ever come to know about the Billy Meier contact case was because we were told so by Billy and the Plejaren.
So everything we've come to know rests with what we have been told so far and it cannot be otherwise.
Everything that we don't know about the case yet, we still don't know because we haven't been told.
This is the dynamics of this contact case as it all depends on one source which is Billy and the Plejaren.
Now our knowledge of the Billy's contact case with the Plejaren will only grow in proportion to..
1A) What we will be told and have been told so far.
2A) What we will fathom on our own initiative and discernment based on our own efforts to fill in the missing pieces based off of what we have been told
The whole point of me posting these photos taken by Billy is to discover factors that corroborate the claims made by Billy and the Plejaren not as a disbeliever but as an unbiased supporter constantly trying to tie loose ends in the hopes of helping out with the mainstreaming efforts where the typical primitive contentions will inevitably surface around these claims by the primitive mass minds out there in the future.
It isn't to prove whether they are real ET flying saucer or not or whether they are real projections or not as the facts have already been established around this.
So the question we need to ask concerning these photos are:-
1B) what particular aspect or features are there within the surrounding areas around the beamship or trees that backs up the claim that its a real projection?
2B) what specific characteristics about the reflections on Semjase's beamship that is the distinguishing feature supporting the claim that its a real projection.
3B) what is causing the reflection on the beamship?
4B) is the surrounding landscape congruent with the way that the reflection comes off the flying saucer?
5B) what changed as a result of billy changing his position whilst taking these photos and does that highlight any more feature on the ship or the landscape that back up the claim that its a real projection?
Etc etc etc
Matt lee |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2490
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 02:40 pm: |
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I agree with your point of view Eddie.
So there is no denying that this is a real projection (earth term holographic projection) including the tree and not the real solid thing taking into account your 1st point.
To your second point I really have no idea what the beamship is reflecting other than the fact that its reflecting something close by.
Judging by the location it was most probable to me that it was a tree but of course I could be wrong.
Its possible that it maybe as you say a barn or a building/house/wall but unless Semjase tells Billy about it in a public CR we will never know for certain because we don't know what's behind.
The important point that I think in regard to the reflection is that this acts as evidence backing up the claim that its a real projection because the shadow doesn't conform with the actual surrounding terrain therefore since we know that it is a real projection projected off from a different location, the reflection therefore must also come from something that is also from a different location.
I also think that we have to factor this into the equation in our attempt to come up with some sort of preliminary conclusion in that why?
Why did billy take the photographs of semjase's beamship and why did Semjase take all this effort to demonstrate such manuevers for billy?
Was it for fun?
Was it to impress people?
Was it to profit financially?
Was it to draw attention?
Was it puff his ego up?
Was it to be the next Adamski?
Was it to start his own religion?
Of course none of the above
As we all know here they took all this trouble to provide evidence and the elements that'll create the controversy needed to get the ball rolling for this mission.
If the plejaren were smart enough to do the real projection then I am sure that they were also smart enough to integrate clues into their proof and evidence materials and dumb it down just enough for us very stupid and dumb earthlings to eventually figure it out.
If they didn't then the whole point of providing such proof/evidence would be lost which would then make this case ridiculous.
Judging by the fact that a lot has been worked out, corroborated and hiding-in-plain-sight clues identified by various students of the teaching and supporters I gather that it'll be no different for these photos with real projections whatever that may be.
Matt lee |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1305
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 01, 2020 - 05:59 pm: |
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Matt,
I distinctly remember that Semjase projected her beamship with the tree because there were certain persons in the vicinity.
So BEAM positioned himself at the location of the projection to then photograph the projection.
Because it's a projection of an actual event taking place, then the beamship should be reflecting what it was actually reflecting of its surroundings.
Being a projection, the beamship would not be reflecting the surroundings of the location where it was being projected.
The "why" you put forth... was it simply an opportunity to showcase their advanced technologies which cannot be replicated in modern times??
An example of which was executed by Asket with her "Cross In The Sky" that we are all familiar with.
Skeptics and debunkers would be left scratching their heads to try and show how BEAM could have photographed a tree that is located a distance away from the location where the projection was photographed.
We can conclude and agree that the projection only included the beamship and the tree.
Note the following:
1. The tree is located a certain distance from where BEAM stood photographing.
2. As a projection, the beamship is reflecting the surroundings around the tree at the actual location.
3. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the tree is visible within BEAM's photos... only with the beamship invisible (since it was a "real projection" happening in real time).
4. Is there a tree in the photos that matches the tree in the projection demonstration?
Did Semjase offer the clue because the tree may be identifiable within the photos???
Anyone have the complete photos of the projection??
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Joe
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Post Number: 579
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 - 01:47 am: |
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Matt,
You are mistaken because in that photo you had posted of Semjase's beamship going round the tree, there are NO anomalies in the beamship's reflection!
Did it not cross your mind that maybe there were OTHER REAL trees close by when that photo was taken? Come on! That reflection from the beamship that you are talking about has nothing to do with a real projection. It is just a normal reflection. |
Joe
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Post Number: 580
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 - 03:12 am: |
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Eddie,
You said:
"Because it's a projection of an actual event taking place, then the beamship should be reflecting what it was actually reflecting of its surroundings."
Exactly, and that's how it is in the photo that Matt recently posted of Semjase's beamship. I honestly see no anomalies in the reflections of the beamship.
You also said:
"Being a projection, the beamship would not be reflecting the surroundings of the location where it was being projected."
I agree, and that proves my point that there is nothing wrong with the reflections of the beamship. This probably means that only the tree itself is a real projection whereas Semjase's beamship is real.
In contact report 757 it is mentioned why a real projection was used. However, I was not certain as to whether Semjase's beamship was also a real projection.
Excerpts from contact report 757
Billy:
What we need to talk about, however, is a question asked by these two persons who have been trying for years to prove scientifically that my photos and 8mm films are not fakes and the beamships are not models etc., but rather reality. With regard to the fir tree near the 'Hofhalde' above Wetzikon, we know that it was a projection and that in reality it stood about 25 metres below the place where I could take the photos and the 8mm film. But the film is just as lost without a trace as those from Bachtelhörnli, one from the Sädelegg, one from Maiwinkel by jet, from Winkelriet in Wetzikon and one from Berg-Rumlikon. But now it's about what I asked you, namely that you were asked what happened to the other fir trees, especially the one outside Hinwil. I should also know the name of the place, and I also don't remember the name of the place or how I got there, because your daughter Semjase often took me to places where I had to carry my moped to take pictures.
Ptaah:
Yes, it was like that, my daughter confirmed it to me. But, as she explained, it was inevitable because there were often people in the area where you had to do your filming and photography work. She also gave me the necessary information and answers to your questions.
First of all, you had to carry out your filming and picture-taking only in places and under circumstances that had been previously selected by two of our experts in special landscaping to guarantee certain backgrounds, which left no doubt that any fakes could have been made by hanging up small or larger beamship models. The fact that you would be accused of forgery, fraud and charlatanism was researched by us on the spot, so that for all the photographs, special landscapes were chosen where my daughter had to take you. The routes to these places were sometimes very arduous and difficult for you to drive and walk, but the pre-determined places had to be, because it was also determined with foresight that the places and their exact locations would later be checked and measured by various specialists from various organisations, filmmakers, scientists and secret services, and strictly dissected, researched and examined by means of manufactured object models etc.
As for the projections of various trees, which my daughter Semjase projected from different locations to other places, the reason was that these projections often had to be abruptly dissolved when, despite all the caution, persons appeared and …
Billy:
Which unfortunately was often the case despite all caution, as Semjase made the projection and her beamship suddenly disappear.
Ptaah:
Yes, she also said that. But the projections were also chosen for the reason that from the beamship a strong insolation would have destroyed the trees, and such action would be contrary to our directives and is therefore not allowed, because they tell us that we have to protect all genera and species of life-forms and only take defensive action against them when there is an effective need to do so. However, such a necessity never existed in the film and image project work, and therefore projections were made.
End of excerpt.
After reading this excerpt I think only the fir tree was a real projection, not also Semjase's beamship. Therefore, if we were to assume that Semjase's beamship was real and not also a real projection like the fir tree, then her beamship should reflect the surroundings like normal. That's why I see no anomalies in the reflections from Semjase's beamship in the photos that Matt had recently posted. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2491
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2020 - 08:46 am: |
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Sorry fellas I am a bit tied down with work so I'll respond as soon as I can but in the meantime there is a breakthrough that puts this saga with added context.
Check this panoramic view out and it'll give us more context as to how we can accurately judge where the reflection fits into all this.
http://www.tjresearch.info/panview3.gif
Matt lee |
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