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    Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1408 Registered: 04-2011 |
Thank you, Matthew for clarifying the "Car Museum" questions in such detail. Salome, Bill | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1167 Registered: 04-2013 |
Chris, After reading studying the material of the energy light ships from the Andromeda Galaxy, a thought came to mind regarding the luminous energy ships and advanced beings from the Andromeda Galaxy. On page xxxi and page 9 of “They Are Here”, it states, “It was evident during our investigation that these ships interacted with the surrounding environment…//…However, at least one is a triple exposure”. My understanding is that the Andromedan’s are far advanced beyond the Plejaren? If that is the case, then it is plausible that Billy did not take a triple exposure of their ship. As the Plejaren ships can move in-and-out of phase or time or dimensions within one second. The Andromedan’s space craft made from light energy is conceivably moving in-and-out of time or between dimensions three times within one camera frame shot. I suspect that their technology is far beyond our wildest comprehension.   Kenneth | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1299 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Kenneth, I agree with you that the Energy Ships could come in and out of visibility in one shot. I seem to recall Billy saying that they were at times flashing like that. The triple exposure is clearly a triple exposure shot, however, since every image in the picture is in triplicate: the cars, the car's number plate, the house, everything. You have to look carefully to spot these, except for the corner of Billy's house which is easy to see in triplicate due to its noticeable brightness. Each shot is moved very slightly to the left or right in an almost perfect horizontal position. The movement is so slight that it could be produced without using a tripod. The bottom picture here is the triple exposure. It is the only known example of such a photo, which further points to it being a mishap Billy was unaware of. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/images/e/e3/High_Councel.jpg Unfortunately, I cannot upload the picture as is. I made a detailed analysis of this photo and outlined in white the actual borders of each of the three photo frames, but again, I cannot upload that from my computer. I took some similar shots myself with my Olympus 35 ECR and it is obvious Billy somehow unknowingly pushed the film release button on the bottom of the camera for a very short time while taking the three shots and he was moving the camera very slightly to the left or right, for whatever reason, presumably for positioning. Billy has no recollection of doing this, and you certainly wouldn't do it showing clear triple images if you wanted to fake a photo, because it's immediately obvious you have three photos and not one. So our conclusion is that somehow Billy inadvertently and unknowingly temporarily depressed that film release button. He might have rested the camera on an uneven surface or just unknowingly pressed it while handling the camera. With all that was going on he wouldn't have noticed doing it. The button does not make any audible click when depressed, so again he wouldn't necessarily know if it happened by accident. The Energy Ships occupy at least two different positions in the triple exposure, one each in two of the shots. The light/Energy Ship at the right has moved up just a bit independent of the horizontal movement of the camera. BTW the light and light post could both be picked up because the Ships are using the light to manifest. They apparently are using the light from the source, actual or reflected when bright. The energy Ships interpretation maintains the image is of the light not the object creating or reflecting the light. The light looks like the objects, because that is the way the light reflects from the objects at night; the light sculpts the object so that is what you see. Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1300 Registered: 08-2004 |
Yes, Kenneth, the Andromedans are far in advance of the Plejaren. The Energy Ship "pilots" were, if I recall correctly, in association or allied with the Andromedans or High Council who are half physical and half spiritual. I got the impression the Energy Ship pilots degree of advancement/evolution was somewhat similar to the High Council, whom, as far as I know, don't fly around in any vehicles. The Plejaren have said they are just 2 - 3 million years away from the semi-physical semi-spiritual level of the lowest level of the High Council. Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1167 Registered: 04-2013 |
Chris, & All, Aha yes, I understand what you mean regarding the triple exposure. I can’t really see all the detail with the copies of the photos online; it was just a thought that I had regarding the Andromedan’s movements. Your statement, “The energy Ships interpretation maintains the image is of the light not the object creating or reflecting the light. The light looks like the objects, because that is the way the light reflects from the objects at night; the light sculpts the object so that is what you see.” Do not want to get too deep into lights in the sky, nonetheless, your depiction may perhaps explain some of the other long shaped UFOs sighted around the world? This picture was taken on July 3, 1967 in Cumberland, Rhode Island, New York. It shows a large, cigar-shaped object, which he estimated to be 700 ft. in length and, towards the bottom right of the picture, a smaller disc  - - - - - - - - - - The long, slender object that has been seen multiple times around the world including North America, Europe, and Latin America. The mysterious shaped UFO has returned in the United States, this time it has been spotted over the city of Omaha, Nebraska.  Best Regards Kenneth | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1484 Registered: 07-2009 |
A friend of mine fro high school became a special effects expert and filmmaker. He wasn't interested in UFOs. But when I last saw him years ago, he told me the energy ship photo in question looked to him to be a triple exposure made in camera, probably accidentally. I was on a show called the Paracast years ago, in which they'd accused Meier of hoaxing it with a dark curtain and light fixture and my friend refuted that shortly after. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1301 Registered: 08-2004 |
Your special effects expert and film maker was exactly right, Michael. There is no doubt whatsoever that it is a triple exposure. Most of the three images are difficult to see, but let me explain and you should be able to find them. One of the images is noticeably brighter than the other two. Look at the corner of Meier's house, which is the bright vertical line made by the external house light. One is noticeably brighter than the other two bright lines that are closer together. Now, this is an automatic exposure camera (Olympus 35 ECR) which means that that brighter one snap was a longer exposure, and that means there was less light during that one snap. The only light variable that could create that is the Energy Ship. It either, as Kenneth mentioned, went out for a bit during the quick shot or it was out throughout the whole shot. But if it was out throughout the whole shot why would Billy have taken the picture? Well, he could have seen it flashing on and off and tried to catch it when on but it was flashing so fast that it went off when he took the shot resulting in a longer and therefore brighter automatic exposure. Anyway, one shot being brighter than the others it predominates the whole picture making it at first look like just one image. But there are three images of everything except things on the extreme left and right sides which can get cut off as the camera moved horizontally. What initially puzzled me, and doubtless many, is why then do we see only one prominent wheel of the car in the center? The truth is we don't see only one image of it. The second and third images of it are right beside that wheel, coincidentally just about a wheel diameter away horizontally to the left. But that image and the third one are darker because they were shorter exposures and the longer exposure clearly dominates the picture. The positioning, or distance apart of the three images, relative to each other, is the same as the positioning of the bright corners of Meier's home. If you take a slip of paper and mark a short line on it for each of the three bright corners of Meier's house, you can use that as a distance guage to identify all the much weaker images of the other two shots in the photo. Enjoy your search. Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1303 Registered: 08-2004 |
The cigar shaped objects seem a different matter, to me, Kenneth. With them, you have actual objects of some kind, whereas the Energy Ships have no physical format other than light, which gives one very little on which to research. Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2371 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Chris have you done any advanced spectrophotometry on the energy ship photos? I wonder if you can pick up variance in the UV light from the ship as opposed to the house light which would then add further credence to the ET hypothesis as opposed to fraud which pseudoskeptic claim. I think current technology has kept up to such an extent now that with the right equipment and software you may be able to pick up finer variance and properties from the light of the energy ship that is entirely impossible to replicate or fabricate with earth technology at the time. If done and proven that the emission of exotic light properties are of extraterrestrial origin that cannot be generated here on earth then every half baked efforts and claims made by the skeptics bloating out over the internet will be shattered into a thousand pieces once and for all. Matt lee | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1168 Registered: 04-2013 |
Chris, Thank you very much for taking the time to explain the detailed analysis of the Light Energy Ships, this book (They Are Here) is an amazing read. In the aerospace industry, it is recommended to think outside the box so to say, but follow a strict guideline of disciplines until a theory or conjecture is proven otherwise, then the procedures and strategies will be adjusted accordingly. I may throw some more outside of the box questions at you? Kind regards Kenneth | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1306 Registered: 08-2004 |
Matt, We could hope, Matt. I don't even have Photoshop now. Anyone with access to the technology, go for it! Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Jacob Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 07-2019 |
It's a dwarf race affiliated with the high council, what I understand they are not yet at the level of development like the high council. They are capable of creating fine-material ships by means of consciousness-related powers alone. This is a feat way beyond what Plejarens are capable of. So, what I understand this is not the high council itself. 49. In this case, however, it is such that these flying objects are fine-material and not bio-organic and that these, depending on preference and need, are generated by powers of consciousness from a very highly developed, human dwarf race, whose size amounts to approximately 70 cm, whereby I speak of body height. 49. In diesem Falle aber ist es so, dass diese Flugkörper feinmateriell sind und nicht bioorganisch und dass diese je nach Belieben und Bedarf durch Bewusstseinskräfte erzeugt werden von einer sehr hochentwickelten menschlichen Zwergrasse, deren Grösse ungefähr 70 cm beträgt, wobei ich von der Körpergrösse spreche. 50. This race, which is even unknown to us, is fine-dimensioned and stands in the advice of the High Council, which has sent it here to clarify our interests with you in detail, because it was found that we wouldn't assert ourselves strictly enough. 50. Diese Rasse, die uns selbst unbekannt ist, ist feindimensioniert und steht in der Ratgebung des Hohen Rates, der sie hierher gesandt hat, um unsere Belange mit euch eingehend zu klären, weil befunden wurde, dass wir uns nicht strikte genug durchsetzen würden. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1307 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thank you for the for the important specifics, Jacob. Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1308 Registered: 08-2004 |
You can always ask me any out of the box questions, Kenneth, but I cannot promise I will always be out there to give an answer. In fact it usually takes time to come up with the proper answer. If it didn't, everyone would know, right? It took Francisco and me around seven years to finalize They Are Here. There are always some false starts. Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 04-2020 |
It is good, Chris, that you documented these explanations regarding the Andromeda energy ship photos; because as you well know, but newer forum readers may not, those photos were used as examples of forgeries by certain parties to make Billy appear as a fraud. Billy:(speaking to Ptaah in Contact 257), "All right, I'll explain everything to you then: As you know, my wife maliciously left me in 1994 and since then has also been working maliciously against me and my mission, especially together with the Basel wannabe UFOlogen B. L., who also calls himself a journalist, as well as with the former FIGU members H. R., T. K. and B. J., who all live in Munich or its closer or further surroundings. My wife as well as H. R. were present at several of your demonstrations, so they saw your ships and heard their sirens high in the sky, which they deny today. Today they actually deny all their experiences in this regard, whereby H. R. and his like-minded cronies, who all pretended to be my friends for years, together use my Andromeda energy ship photos for forgeries in order to 'prove' that my photos are also forgeries. Now, since my ex-wife has left and I am still in legal proceedings with her because of the divorce, Eva and I have come together in a life partnership, from which our little daughter Selina-Mercedes has emerged, who was born on 18.1.1997." Translation by Joseph Darmanin, Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_257 Regards Bob | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1309 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thank YOU, Phi_spira, for confirming this. I had my personal suspicions about the clearest of the ES photos which does not show any interaction with the surrounding environment, meaning it is almost certainly added in, because the light would have its impact on the shot and there it does not. This is one reason why I advised Francisco for us to drop the ES section from the book They Are Here. There are just too many unknowns and suspicions around the ES. So, thank you, again. Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 04-2020 |
Felicity/: "First of all, is Billy Meier's Desiderata considered a prose?" Hi Belinda. The Desiderata by Billy is in fact a compiling of some of the key Spirit Teachings, hence its placement on the FIGU German website under "Geisteslehre". It is not merely a lovely bit of prose, but its message is indeed very profound and applicable to all humankind. If you liked Desiderata, you will also enjoy Billy's book,“Mein Vermächtnis” (My Legacy). Here is a small excerpt from page 12: True goodness, man of the earth, is limitless, and I wish you to make it your own and to take care of it so that it really deserves its name. Wahrliche Güte, Mensch der Erde, ist grenzenlos, und ich wünsche dir, dass du sie dir zu eigen machst und pflegst und hegst, damit sie ihren Namen wirklich verdient. But understand what goodness is, because it does not rest in self-interest, but in understanding and recognizing the effective in the form of a friendly, loving and forgiving way of looking at things. Attitude. Verstehe aber, was Güte ist, denn sie ruht nicht im Eigennützigen, sondern im Verstehen und Erkennen des Effectiven in Form einer freundlichen, liebevollen und nachsichtigen Betrachtungsweise resp. Einstellung. So goodness/kindness causes e.g. that one laughs and winks one’s eyes or provide assistance if a fellowman shows a weakness. Also bedingt Güte z.B., dass man als Mensch lachen und mit den Augen zwinkern oder Hilfe leisten kann, wenn ein Mitmensch eine Schwäche zeigt. So one should never count the minutes and hours when one performs generous assistance because someone is sad or sorrowful and needs assistance. Also soll man nie die Minuten und Stunden zählen, wenn man gütig Hilfe leistet, weil jemand traurig oder kummervoll ist und Hilfe braucht. But goodness also means that you forgive even someone who causes you the greatest trouble and harm - namely yourself. Güte bedeutet aber auch, dass man selbst jenem Menschen etwas verzeiht, durch den man den grössten Ärger und Schaden erleidet - nämlich sich selbst. Unofficial & Unauthorised translation by me. Regards Bob | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1318 Registered: 08-2004 |
Not sure this belongs here as it concerns the Energy Ship triple exposure shot that has been under discussion here. It does, however, cover my change in thinking regarding the nature and process of making this photograph, and so the importance of always updating our thinking. In the podcast to be aired on 14 August that Karrol Steeves kindly conducted of myself and Francisco a couple of days ago on the book They Are Here, we mention again the triple exposure Energy Ship shot. I re-expressed my opinion that most likely Billy had unknowingly depressed the film release button on the bottom of the camera and this prevented the film from winding on fully to the next frame. Such had been my conclusion for a long time regarding this shot. However, after the interview with Karrol, I was caused to think deeply again about this shot and an issue that I had not properly addressed, namely: How is it that all three shots have precisely the same vertical component? That is, they share a common baseline, as shown in the base of Billy’s house, suggesting that the shots were taken with the camera on a tripod and the camera slightly swivelled left or right for each shot. The problem is, Billy said he never used a tripod for any of his photos, only for the videos. I had thought that Billy may have been able to achieve the horizontal consistency because each shot only required a very slight shift and so perhaps it could be done without any vertical shift. My oversight here was that he still had to attempt to wind the film on with one hand, and that would have changed the vertical component even if only slightly. The odds on it not changing at all would probably be too enormous to consider. So, knowing a tripod was not used, and we know one was not from what Billy says, and he might not have had time to set one up during this, for him, sudden event, even had he had wanted to, how do we account for the lack of change in the horizontal baseline? The other way to achieve a triple exposure with the same vertical component throughout is by shifting the negative through the film holder while making prints. This process would mean there is only one image on the negative – which would be great to confirm if possible – and that the single image is pushed slightly along the film holder twice. In this way, the horizontals (vertical components) would not change, and we would have precisely the effect that the photo shows. This means that there would not be a triple exposure negative. Can anyone at SSSC confirm this? I suspect this is the case, that the triple exposure exists only on the print. If the triple exposure is in the negative, then my former explanation must be the more likely, unlikely though that now seems. So I must conclude that this triple exposure is almost certainly another of the manipulated photos given back to Billy. He would not know, and so it would be an easy way to plant discredited material on him. Billy, of course, had no such equipment and could not possibly have done this himself, since it is color photography, and even black and white facilities were unavailable for Billy to use personally. The above comments, supersede all I have previously written concerning this triple exposure Energy Ship shot. Please remember it when listening to the podcast, because this updates what I said there. I will be informing Karrol of this before she puts the podcast online, but it may be too late for her to edit that part out. Your understanding in this matter is appreciated. Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1319 Registered: 08-2004 |
I have just heard from Karrol that she will be editing that little piece out of the podcast. Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 04-2020 |
Hi Chris I hope you can post a link to that podcast when it becomes available. Regards Bob | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 1320 Registered: 08-2004 |
Will do, Bob. Chris Use to the best both heart and head and never lose either. | ||
Felinity Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 09-2019 |
Dear Phi_spiral, Thank you for your message to me regarding Desiderata. In my opinion, it's one of his best writings. I do not recall reading "My Legacy" anywhere, not even in his list of all his printed works. I would love to read this sometime soon. Also, thank you for your examples with translations. The sentences you chose are words of love and kindness. To hear it recited from Billy himself would be wonderful. I haven't met him personally but his voice is captivating. Salome and Take Care, Belinda | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1176 Registered: 04-2013 |
A friend that I have been working with in providing the Spiritual Teaching is now aware of Billy and the Plejaren and associated material. This person sent me an article titled, “Watch this while you can before YouTube censors it.” My friend was looking for an answer to the Truth of todays current events. My response to my friend after viewing this article: In my opinion; this is a well done, nonetheless all conjecture of bits and pieces of true events, sewing news articles together, including the Floyd event to construct a seamless untrue narrative of many semi-unrelated stories and events to lead people in the wrong direction. So, again we have an article that pushes a chronicle of untruth onto the public, all backed up by religion, faith, and politics. You and I know the truth as provided by Billy Meier, the Plejaren and the Teaching. This U-Tube article is all about divide and conquer, which is another nail in the coffin of the coming U.S. Civil War. Kenneth |
