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Tyler
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Post Number: 172
Registered: 03-2017
| | Posted on Friday, November 03, 2017 - 04:46 pm: | 
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Then that's that then. |
Patm
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Post Number: 548
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2017 - 01:30 am: |
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Joseph_emmanuel,
RE: Your statement(s):
"I guess some people like to think and others prefer to quote." is only your opinion.
I disagree. When some (including myself) quote FIGU information the "thinking" process is involved in what to actually quote. When a question is asked by someone interested in learning, the best possible 'true' (unbiased) answer should be given. Sometimes that answer will be explained, while other times that answer will involve quoting in the explanation. Either way the an answer is useless if the person asking isn't ready to consciously recognize and process the impulses in their own consciousness, especially if ANY bias is included in the responder's answer.
RE: "I've noticed that there is a lot of quoting on this forum and not a great deal of thinking."
Some people "think" they know something and sometimes it is simpler to quote something to explain to them what they "think they know" is inaccurate and why their "explanation(s)" require some correction.
RE: "I like to think that I have sufficient experience and understanding of both to engage anyone here about the spiritual teaching without having to reference the material". The idea is not to "engage" someone but instead to provide them with the information necessary to recognize and process the information for themselves. It is the only way they will actually learn for themselves. You cannot give them knowledge but rather only the information necessary for them process it themselves thereby gaining the knowledge for themselves. Then it is their responsibility to also incorporate that newly acquired knowledge into their everyday life, thus providing themselves with the ability to acquire the essence of wisdom. Many times "referencing the material" is part of that "providing information" because your understanding (with personal bias) will not always be the best way for the receiving person to understand in a way necessary for them to process and gain knowledge.
RE: "I think if one is serious about studying the spiritual teaching, one wouldn't participate on this forum." This is a VERY self-centered attitude. For me, I study the spiritual teaching including the "German Only' Spiritual Teaching Lessons (which are not to be quoted from). What I learn I will share "on this" and other forums; when a specific question is asked, I will respond with a specific response to that question only, which very likely will lead to further questions, etc. which is how the process of teaching and learning from each other should go.
Note THIS quote from "49 Questions":
"Dear Reader,
You approached us with questions that preoccupy you. Alternatively, you solicited answers from us to questions somebody else posed to you.
We pondered for some time whether or not we should respond to you on a personal level with individually formulated replies. Well, as you can see from the brochure in your hands, we chose to answer your questions with direct quotations from previously published FIGU material
We are aware that you may find this type of response cold and impersonal, and you may also feel we are trying to evade a direct response to your questions. Please realize, however, that all personal replies are always slanted toward the responding individual’s personal opinion and viewpoint. Those answers, therefore, contain subjective biases but you will be unable to determine the amount of subjectiveness within the entire reply. We always strive to provide
neutral, correct, and absolutely truthful responses. However, we can only do so if we avoid any personal interpretation and strictly adhere to quotations from FIGU texts."
Hope this helps
Salome
PatM |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1341
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2017 - 08:57 am: |
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Regarding singing, how do we not recognize the Creation in the bird's song...and in the songs of other creatures and human beings?
Sing the Song of Life
If your life has lost it's meaning and you face the world alone
your dreams they all are broken your heart sinks like a stone
somewhere a voice is calling and its song will find your heart
let the melody awaken all the love locked in the dark
Sing that your heart may feel
sing that your wounds may heal
sing with pure abandon
sing to set things right
sing from every mountain top
sing the song of life
As the song of life awakens everyone who hears its notes
seek the broken hearted who like you yearn to be whole
fill your voice with love's sweet calling that your song may find its mark
let your melody awaken all the love locked in their hearts
Sing that your heart may feel
sing that your wounds may heal
sing with pure abandon
sing to set things right
sing from every mountain top
sing the song of life
Let the ice cold snows of winter gently thaw at spring's return
let the sound of joyful laughter echo in the hearts that yearn to
Sing that your heart may feel
sing that your wounds may heal
sing with pure abandon
sing to set things right
sing from every mountain top
sing the song of life
Words & Music Michael Horn} |
Tyler
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Post Number: 173
Registered: 03-2017
| | Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2017 - 04:18 pm: |
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That's sensible, Patrick. I am reminded now even more of the duty to avoid temptation to put my own subjective interpretations in, but keep to the texts available.
That makes a lot of sense, that post you made.
If I actually think of the more noteworthy things I have read, then I can gauge that I have read and strongly noted certain texts that others may not have even found yet.
So then, if we ask questions and pass off the texts to each other, ie. help each other to find the texts that answer their question which they can study on their own time, we should expedite our rate of learning by helping each other to find their needed answers in the whole archive of FIGU spirit teaching texts? |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 794
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, November 05, 2017 - 12:34 pm: |
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Children that are raised properly, within a wholesome family structure often sing to themselves while doing various things. It appears that at these young ages, the toddlers are a little more in tune with Creation on many different levels. |
Mait
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Post Number: 42
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2018 - 10:18 am: |
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I have a question.
According to spiritual teaching, spirit form leaves our body when we die. But how spirit form "knows" that it is time to go?
Salome
Mait |
Scott
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Post Number: 2792
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2018 - 02:51 pm: |
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Matt I have a question:
How does the spirit know when to enter the fetus?
Salome
Scott |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 839
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2018 - 05:56 pm: |
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Mait,
My understanding is that the spirit (spirit-form) will leave the human when the superior colliculus portion of the brain has died; which is where the spirit, the spirit form resides; located on top of the mid brain. This is why Quetzal strived so intensely on Semjase after her accident with acute damage to her brain, to prevent her spirit from leaving her body.
“However, when also the new body dies and death occur, it will enter with the comprehensive consciousness block in the beyond to tackle and process all that is unprocessed for then to expire to become neutral force and energy, out of which again a new personality, respectively consciousness is being formed and which then is born at its specific date.
If a spirit energy accumulation transforms, respectively become born for the first time in a human body, then this does not mean in the proper sense that it is coming into existence, because that already took place before primeval times. By the birth in a human body, the spirit energy-accumulation as a new spirit begin another form of its existence, however it does not embody itself with, or through the human body, because as a spirit form it remains untouchable in every respect in its own spiritual realm, which can be found in the human brain, whereas the spiritual energy spreads out filigree like over every fibre in the human body.
The actual location of the spirit, the spirit form, is called superior colliculus (a paired structure forming a hub sitting on top of the mid brain). It clearly follows from all this that the human spirit, respectively the spirit form already existed before it was begotten and came into existence through enlivening a human body. This is the specific explanation for the pre-birth existence of the creational spirit part which enlivens humans as a spirit form.”
http://meiersaken.info/Reinkarnation.html
Kenneth
Kenneth, the link you provided is a non-figu link which isn't permitted under the new guidelines. Also, I have had people mention to me the information on this website may contain errors and shouldn't be considered accurate.
Scott
(Message edited by scott on March 03, 2018) |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 840
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2018 - 06:23 pm: |
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Scott,
Good to know, thank you. The portion that I posted, I read over several times, did not notice any errors. Will not use this web site again.
Sincerely
Kenneth |
Mait
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Post Number: 43
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Saturday, March 03, 2018 - 10:56 pm: |
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Thanks for the info, Kenneth. I am aware of that.
As much as i understand then our subconsciousness is responsible for work of body organs. But if we have some organ failure or a cancer etc. then there must be some impulse between spirit form and subconsciousness that spirit form "knows" it is time to leave the body.
Correct me if i am wrong.
Salome
Mait |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 841
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 06:29 am: |
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Hi Mait,
Good question. My understanding regarding the spirit form leaving the body; when you say, “spirit form "knows" it is time to leave the body.” The spirit form is not really on that kind of time schedule, it does not think or have a personality. It will leave the human body when the brain in which it resides dies and no longer functions. It’s not that the subconsciousness communicates with the spirit form when it’s time to leave. When the body dies, it leaves and cannot return to that particular human being.
Kenneth |
Hugo
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Post Number: 543
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Sunday, July 01, 2018 - 02:58 pm: |
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Towards the bottom of the page of 196 in The Psyche book I was surprised to learn that the weather can play a big role in bringing about a relapse of a recovered damaged psyche. I wondered why this is because the book didn't explain why it is. |
Hoota_thunk
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Post Number: 40
Registered: 07-2017
| | Posted on Sunday, July 01, 2018 - 08:39 pm: |
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Hugo, Hugo, Hugo, I myself read the same in my 2nd study of said pricelessness, only this morning, and it actually says the exact opposite of what you have stated.
Andrew Grimshaw
- The Silent Revolution Of Truth -
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Hoota_thunk
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Post Number: 41
Registered: 07-2017
| | Posted on Sunday, July 01, 2018 - 08:48 pm: |
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The reason why this is so is on the next page, "each individual thinks differently and feels differently."
And to prove that I can be an absolutely truthful C**t, the deeper reason is on the page after that.
By which I mean, "Welcome to the Universe you find yourself in!"
Andrew Grimshaw
- The Silent Revolution Of Truth -
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Jacob
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Post Number: 189
Registered: 02-2013
| | Posted on Monday, July 02, 2018 - 05:08 am: |
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Kenneth is correct in post 841, the spirit has no thought, as stated already, if the body no longer supports the spiritform, it leaves and the body dies. There is no thought process going on here.
Its a 'mechanical' function.
The human spiritform never thinks, the spirit consciousness is not capable of doing so.
This changes when the human spiritform becomes a pure-spiritform, but even then there are no thoughts, but only 'empfindungen'.
Thoughts can be really quick, lightspeed even, but even then they have a start and finish.
Empfindungen however go with 10 the 7000th power times light speed.
Because of that, they are defacto instant.
An 'Empfindung' will appear to the material consciousness (via the material subconsciousness) as an intuition, immediate knowledge of something, someone, some event.
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
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Hugo
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Post Number: 544
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Monday, July 02, 2018 - 03:10 pm: |
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Hoota, that is what I meant to say. It came out wrong because I didn't check what i wrote before posting it. |
Hugo
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Post Number: 546
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Saturday, July 07, 2018 - 09:48 pm: |
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On page 170 of The Psyche book the first of the three golden rules talks about the wishful dream. Does the wishful dream have to be entertained in the present or can it be about an experience one wishes to see fulfilled in the future? The book does not say. |
Cpl
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Post Number: 993
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2018 - 03:41 am: |
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Hello Hugo,
My interpretation of this, for what it is worth, is that "wishful dreams" are always somewhat pertaining to the future, whether that future is later this day, this week, month, year, or decade will depend on the person and dream. If it is a wish, I see it must pertain to the future, since it is something not presently manifest.
Elsewhere I seem to recall Billy saying that the present does not exist. The real present moment would, I guess, be a chiron (if I have that smallest time division right), which is so sub-nano (if I can use that word for its size) that we couldn't possibly comprehend it in thoughts or wishes. Everything is planned for the future, albeit just a few seconds from now in the future, because we cannot act in or affect the past, and we can never take hold of the present because it's gone into the past the moment we would think we had it.
Chris
Use fully to the best both heart and head and never lose either.
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1356
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2018 - 06:55 am: |
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> As Meier says that there really is no “present", i.e. all moments are constantly falling into the next future one, then it could be said that you’re really asking about what we’d call…”sooner or later”. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 915
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2018 - 09:35 am: |
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Hugo,
The wishful dream ..a creational recommendation. The consciousness should always be exercising the creative factor, meaning to stimulate creativity, invent, design, formulate and/or develop technologies, ideas and concepts, etc.
One person's wishful dream can and will be different from someone else. Which brings us to another creational law, that everyone benefits from each other, that everyone contributes in their own unique ways.
Musicians create music of every conceivable style for everyone's enjoyment, scientists and engineers develop technologies, medicines, tools, etc for everyone's use and benefit.
These things and more can only come from the creative process of wishful dreams, the creative exercise.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Hugo
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Post Number: 548
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2018 - 01:14 pm: |
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Thanks all!
My wishful dream is about one day when I retire to a country property (escape suburban rat race) and live in peace and quiet among nature and devote a lot more of my time to studying the spiritual teachings and gardening and also living more in line according to the creational laws and commandments. Funnily I've entertained this wishful dream for about 5 years now before I ever read the Psyche book. |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 917
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2018 - 04:31 pm: |
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Hugo,
That's what I also envisioned for my later years. I have a few ziele I hope to fulfill, but I too would like the last remaining years of my life to be lived surrounded by lots of nature. It's how I want to live until I pass into the beyond, studying and fathoming the spiritual teaching in preparation for the next life. I'm really looking forward to the next life. Hopefully somewhere near (-/+) the year 2100.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Hugo
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Post Number: 549
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Sunday, July 08, 2018 - 05:42 pm: |
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Eddie, good to see others share my wishful dream even though it may be common among Meier students! |
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