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    Matcha Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2021 |
Hugo, Scott, Bill and others, Thanks for the CN 754 reference Bill. That is indeed the CN. But more interesting material appertaining to the Buddha's true life and teaching are father down in that report. Here are a few quotes that conclusively show Billy met and spoke with Siddharta, or the Buddha. The lengthy paragraphs begin with "Buddhism as the teaching of today originated in..." and I will add a few minor notes to the quotes: Asked about certain alleged 'true traditions' that circulated in the 20th century that were read to him, Siddharta Gautama explained that much of it was not true, such as that his life, wisdom and distinctiveness had not been prophesied for him from birth, nor did his family hold a royal position. This sentence makes it clear that Billy and Siddharta together discussed the claimed legends surrounding him. He may well have a few faithful of both sexes who are constantly around him and who would look after many followers of his doctrine, but he does not want to do anything more in this direction, but to keep the whole thing as an open learning community, because otherwise a movement of believers (note: faith organization or religion) would arise from it, but that does not correspond to his meaning. (Note: Unfortunately, this could not be prevented, just like with Jmmanuel and Mohammed). The present tense here again shows Billy is actually talking to Siddharta in his time. And this was the reason for him to include in his teaching an ethical action and behaviour, respectively an action and behaviour that distinguishes between good and evil, which is indispensable and must be followed in order to be a just and true human being. And in this important rule to be observed and also to be fulfilled by the human beings – Siddharta emphasised this explicitly, which I still remember well – it is also included that a very special attention and mindfulness with regard to all values has to be paid in order to give satisfaction to the perception of responsibility, integrity as well as sustainability with regard to the necessary respect. Consequently, the very true original doctrine from which Buddhism originated, in its effective origin – just as Siddharta created and taught it – is not a matter of faith or belief, but a 'doctrine of the correct way of life', 'doctrine of self-knowledge', 'doctrine of experience' and 'doctrine of self-development', with the aim of mental evolution and the use of mind, reason and the correct handling of life in every respect. Explaining precisely what the Buddha taught, this could only be a reading of the storage banks or from an in-person meeting and since we know he met the Buddha, it must obviously be from his meeting with him. As Siddharta himself said – when he was 63 years old – he realised already as a 14 year old boy through his observations an enormous amount of misery, as among many other things... Not even mythologies claim to know what Buddha said at precisely 63 years of age, so this must be Siddharta's age when Billy met him. We know this because Billy said Siddharta worked diligently for the last 17 years of his life to prevent the on-coming errors before he died at 80 and 80 -17 = 63. Finally, Siddharta Gautama was completely shocked when he learned what would result from his original teaching into the future of the 19th century, but decided, after he had learned the truth and also his dying day, to commit himself even more intensively and vehemently to his teaching during the last 17 years of his life, in order to be able to prevent anything disadvantageous from happening. After Billy's meeting with Siddharta, he said regarding the true teaching of Siddharta or the Buddha: The true primal teaching in its effective origin – as Siddharta created and taught it – was not a matter of faith, as must be clearly stated and emphasised again and again, but a 'teaching of correct living', 'teaching of self-awareness' and 'teaching of self-discovery', with the aim of personal development of the cognitive abilities to use reason, reasoning, self-recognition and correct management of life in any life-correct relationship. Chris Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures. | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 1025 Registered: 04-2015 |
Matcha, Yes agree with all that! And come to think of it Billy wouldn't frame it like that - (Siddharta emphasised this explicitly, which I still remember well) - if he were merely commenting from a (handed down story) book/teaching which could likely be false or not entirely correct. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 888 Registered: 07-2006 |
The basis of my Reincarnation/Incarnation Process drawing at: https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Reference%20Material/Spiritual/Reincarnation-Incarnation-Process-sec.pdf can be found in my translation (which may contain errors) from Billy's book 'Rebirth, Life, Dying, Death and Sorrow (Wiedergeburt, Leben, Sterben, Tod Und Trauer)', article: 'Processes after the dying, Spirit-form, consciousness-block and overall-consciousness-block (Vorgänge nach dem Sterben, Geistform, Bewusstseinblock und Gesamtbewusstseinblock)' found on pages 120 - 124: ----------- Processes after the dying, Spirit-form, consciousness-block and overall-consciousness-block In the fact it would be very desirable, if oneself were left with some simple explanations to describe the processes after the dying. Unfortunately no professed philosophy, religion and also no sect can be consulted for this, because their descriptions of the death-life do not correspond even a little to reality like also the wrong perceptions of the genuine materialists, who consider all reality as purely material or derive everything from it. The genuine and pure materialism is founded on the term material (matter) and manifests a philosophy of life, which in accordance with it gives no reality other than the tangible material (matter). This teaching applies ultimately therein, that each the spirit, the psyche, the memory, consciousness and subconsciousness etc., as however also the thoughts, feelings and emotions must be comprehended as pure motions and powers of the material (matter). Adversity now however which in the regard to the human beings really knowing of the death-life, who strive to disseminate the Teaching of the Truth and descriptively explain to the unknowing ones, what is going on in the death-life after the dying of the material body. This relates to the spirit-form and the consciousness-block of the human being, after the dying abandon the lifeless body and they enter into their own realms of the other world, i.e., into their own other-world levels, while the material, deceased body ceases to exist and itself dissolves. In fact namely around these things and real truth the knowing ones are ridiculed, criticized, slandered and cursed by the un-comprehending ones, unknowing ones and know-it-alls as well as by the unteachable religious ones and sectarians, when they (knowing ones) reveal their knowledge. Only really honest seekers of the truth as well as human beings, who already know and have learned something in regard to post-mortal and other-worldly conditions and states, can themselves make a vague perception of it, as extremely complicated as it is, to depict the spacious extent and the facts in regard to death-life of the spirit-form and of the overall-consciousness-block in comprehensible words. Truthfully it stands a very great difficulty, to precisely describe to the unknowing human beings that, which after the dying of the material body connects the spirit-form and the consciousness-block in the death-life. And this difficulty is it, why the Teaching of the Truth from time-immemorial regarding this was very complicated often incomprehensibly was ingratiatingly presented, which as a result had falsifications, when the teaching by others than by the knowing ones, wises ones and proclaimers who themselves wrote down and further carried it. Thus everything only darkly and shrouded in secret was transmitted (handed down), whereby step-by-step both in one's own wrong interpretations as well as entirely conscious falsifications or a thorough misunderstanding by the transmitters (the ones handing down), Chroniclers and created teaching-follower-believers and completely irrational teachings stepped into appearance. When the material body of the human being falls victim to the dying, the animating spirit-form disappears from this physical body and all its functions as well as with the overall-consciousness-block connected consciousness-block, in order to enter into the realm of the other world in the death-life. The overall-consciousness-block of the human being leads back to a creational law-principle, however it is not from the basis incorporated into the spirit-form. In fact namely this block is first created by the spirit-form, precisely by virtue of the creational law, that also the spirit-form must exist from the two poles negative and positive in the existence of the material body. The spirit-form itself forms therewith the positive-value, while the overall-consciousness-block manifests the negative-value, which stands in direct connection with the material consciousness originating from it, which itself through its own power in an educated manner influences and also evolves itself. At the same time the material consciousness stands also in a special form of connection with the entire material body, which is why it also means, that the material body forms the negative value. That applies also in regard to animals, etc., only that an overall-instinct-consciousness-block and an instinct-consciousness are given here and thus no conscious-consciousness. However now back to the spirit-form which created the overall-consciousness-block, with the human beings, or in the animal world, etc., precisely the overall instinct-consciousness block; initially is still an unknowing new spirit-form - with the human beings as with the animals, etc. -, that still commands over no overall-consciousness-block, respectively, the overall-instinct-consciousness-block, whereby from out of this would create in itself a human-conscious-consciousness, i.e., a material consciousness or with animals, etc., an animal instinct-consciousness. And when here the speech is precisely only of the human beings, then comes thus with a still unknowing, and for the first time inhabiting a material body new spirit the creational and in the spirit-form impulse-based storage law comes to fruition, to create from out of itself an overall-consciousness-block. Then this in turn creates from out of itself a conscious-material-consciousness (consciousness-block) and therewith thus the actual personality, which then overcomes (masters) the material life, learns and after the dying of the material body again passes. Connected with the spirit-form, which after the dying of the material body changes over into its own realm of the other world, the same occurs with the consciousness-block, which likewise enters into a to its one's own realm of the other world. In this the overall-consciousness-block works out through its neutral energy together with the personality still everything completely, which is not yet worked out through the past actual life. When this processing finds its completion through the overall-consciousness-block, then through the power and energy of the overall-consciousness-block the personality is dissolved into pure neutral energy which includes absolutely no more old personality impulses. This neutral spirit energy then finds use by the overall-consciousness-block, therefrom creates an absolutely new personality and thus a new consciousness which exhibits absolutely no equalities with the dissolved and past personality, i.e., with the old consciousness. This new personality is then that, which together with the reincarnation-capable spirit-form and the new consciousness-block is born into a new human body. Also out of it emerges, that no personality and thus no human being can be reborn, because this remains solely and exclusively always permanently reserved for the spirit-form. Thus through creational law-principles only the spirit-form is subject to the rebirth, not however the personality. During the actual (current) lifetime of the personality, i.e., of the consciousness all things like thoughts, feelings, motions, abilities and emotions, etc., and so forth, will be constantly stored in the storage banks and registered and recorded for all times. When the material body dies, then the consciousness, i.e., the personality disappears (personality and consciousness are two different terms for one and the same), which is integrated in the consciousness-block, in its own realm of the other-world associated to the spirit-form-realm-of-the-other-world. In this realm, through the power of the neutral overall-consciousness-block energy, all the still unworked-out things during the actual life of the personality, i.e., the consciousness are worked out, whereby everything therefrom of neutral-valueful resulting things are transferred into the spirit-form in its realm of the other world, whereby at the same time any and all transmitted things are themselves stored in the storage-banks. When the process of the working out is completed, then the personality itself dissolves into pure spirit-energy, which is transformed into an absolutely new personality, i.e., into a new consciousness by the overall-consciousness-block, which absolutely no longer has the characteristics or equality with the previous existence. That however was already introduced and explained in detail. The new personality, i.e., the new consciousness, which is born with the solely reincarnation-capable spirit-form and leads a unique actual life, is absolutely unknowing in every wise, consequently it therefore must continuously process a lifelong of learning, whereby knowledge, love and essence of wisdom are gathered. Swinging-wave-based and subconsciously on a one's own frequency, however connected with the storage-banks, in subconscious wise constantly 'retrieves' impulses of the one's own previous personalities and their existence. Thereby inspirations of the subconsciousness and from time immemorial worked out knowledge step into appearance, whereby the new personality, i.e., the new consciousness learns very quickly and - together with all newly worked out knowledge - continuously becomes more knowing and wiser. Knowledge impulses and memory impulses in regard to knowledge and essence of wisdom 'retrieved' from the storage banks from previous existences as a rule arise as inspirations of the subconsciousness, of which the human being as a rule however does not know, where these come from. In this consequence in the ununderstanding of the truth he/she calls it then inspirations, which he/she ascribes to any of those other levels or Wesen, although truthly they are to be assigned to one's own personal storage impulses of one's own previous personalities. When the spirit-form and the personality of the human being, i.e., the consciousness of the human being is evolved to a distinct high degree, then the one's own impulses of the present actual life as well as the impulses of one's own previous personalities can consciously become 'retrieved' from the storage-banks, whereby the human being can him/herself consciously make use of knowledge and essences of wisdom of one's own previous personalities of previous lives. Frequency-similarities with other personalities can likewise be useful, when 'related' knowledge impulses can be retrieved and used for the evolution. A conscious retrieving of one's own storage-bank impulses is however not possible until, when a high consciousness-evolution is given, otherwise the entirety moves itself in purely subconscious forms, when a low consciousness-evolution exists, as the case is for still a long time with the earth-human being. Regarding this there are only few excluded, who themselves can be counted on one hand and do not let themselves move in the circles of the esotericism, of the channeling, the mediums and supposed contact people of supposed spirits and higher Wesen. In der Tat wäre es sehr wünschenswert, wenn sich die Vorgänge nach dem Sterben mit einigen einfachen Erklärungen beschreiben liessen. Leider kann hierzu keine bekannte Philosophie, Religion und auch keine Sekte herangezogen werden, denn deren Beschreibungen vom Todesleben entsprechen ebensowenig der Wirklichkeit wie auch nicht die falschen Vorstellungen der echten Materialisten, die alles Wirkliche als reine Materie erachten oder alles von ihr ableiten. Der echte und reine Materialismus fundiert auf dem Begriff Materie und verkörpert eine Weltanschauung, dergemäss es keine andere Wirklichkeit gibt als die greifbare Materie. Diese Lehre geht letztlich dahin, dass sowohl der Geist, die Psyche, das Gedächtnis, Bewusstsein und Unterbewusstsein usw., wie aber auch die Gedanken, Gefühle und Emotionen als reine Bewegungen und Kräfte der Materie aufgefasst werden müssten. Wehe nun aber dem in bezug des Todeslebens wirklich wissenden Menschen, der sich bemüht, die Lehre der Wahrheit zu verbreiten und erklärend den Unwissenden zu erklären, was nach dem Sterben des materiellen Körpers im Todesleben vor sich geht. Dies bezogen auf die Geistform und den Bewusstseinblock des Menschen, die nach dem Sterben den leblosen Körper verlassen und in ihren ihnen je eigenen Jenseitsbereich resp. in ihre Jenseitsebene eingehen, während der materielle, verblichene Körper vergeht und sich auflöst. Tatsächlich nämlich werden die Wissenden von den Unverständigen, Unwissenden und Besserwissern sowie von den unbelehrbaren Religiösen und Sektierern um dieser Dinge und der wirklichen Wahrheit wegen verlacht, kritisiert, gelästert und geflucht, wenn sie ihr Wissen preisgeben. Nur wirklich ehrlich nach der Wahrheit Suchende sowie Menschen, die bereits etwas in bezug auf nachsterbliche und jenseitige Bedingungen und Zustände wissen und gelernt haben, können sich eine vage Vorstellung davon machen, wie äusserst schwierig es ist, den weiträumigen Umfang und die Tatsachen in bezug des Todeslebens der Geistform und des Gesamtbewusstseinblocks in verständlichen Worten darzustellen. Wahrhaftig stellt es eine sehr grosse Schwierigkeit dar, dem unwissenden Menschen exakt das zu beschreiben, was sich nach dem Sterben des materiellen Körpers für die Geistform und den Bewusstseinblock im Todesleben ergibt. Und diese Schwierigkeit ist es, warum die diesbezügliche Lehre der Wahrheit von alters her von vielen alten Wissenden und Weisen sehr kompliziert und oft unverständlich dargebracht wurde, was Verfälschungen zur Folge hatte, wenn die Lehre durch andere als durch die Wissenden, Weisen und Künder selbst niedergeschrieben und weitergetragen wurde. So wurde alles nur dunkel und in Geheimnisse gehüllt überliefert, wobei nach und nach sowohl falsche eigene Interpretationen sowie auch ganz bewusste Verfälschungen oder ein gründliches Missverstehen durch die Überlieferer, Chronisten und Lehre-AnhängerGläubigen entstanden und völlige Irrlehren in Erscheinung traten. Wenn der materielle Körper des Menschen dem Sterben anheimfällt, entschwinden aus diesem die den physischen Leib und alle dessen Funktionen belebende Geistform sowie der mit dem Gesamtbewusstseinblock verbundene Bewusstseinblock, um in dem Jenseitsbereich in das Todesleben einzugehen. Der Gesamtbewusstseinblock des Menschen führt auf eine schöpferische Gesetzmässigkeit zurück, jedoch ist er nicht von Grund auf in die Geistform integriert. Tatsächlich nämlich wird dieser Block erst durch die Geistform selbst erschaffen, eben kraft des schöpferischen Gesetzes, dass auch die Geistform aus den zwei Polen Negativ und Positiv bestehen muss in der Existenz des materiellen Körpers. Die Geistform selbst bildet dabei den Positiv-Wert, während der Gesamtbewusstseinblock den Negativ-Wert verkörpert, der in direktem Zusammenhang mit dem von ihm ausgehenden Materiell-Bewusstsein steht, das sich selbst durch eigene Kraft gedankenbildend beeinflusst und auch selbst evolutioniert. Gleichzeitig steht das Materiell-Bewusstsein auch in einer speziellen Form mit dem ganzen materiellen Körper in Verbindung, weshalb es auch heisst, dass der Materiell-Körper den Negativ-Wert bildet. Das gilt auch in bezug der Tiere usw., nur dass hier ein Gesamt-lnstinkt-Bewusstseinblock und ein Instinkt-Bewusstsein gegeben sind und also keine bewusste Bewusstheit. Doch nun zurück zur Geistform, die beim Menschen den Gesamtbewusstseinblock erschafft, oder in der Tierwelt usw. eben den Gesamt-lnstinktBewusstseinblock; erst ist eine noch unwissende Neugeistform - beim Menschen wie beim Tier usw. -, die noch über keinen Gesamtbewusstseinblock resp. Gesamt-lnstinkt-Bewusstseinblock verfügt, wodurch aus diesem heraus in sich selbst ein menschliches Bewusst-Bewusstsein resp. ein Materiell-Bewusstsein oder bei Tieren usw. ein tierisches Instinkt-Bewusstsein erschaffen werden könnte. Und wenn hier nun einmal nur vom Menschen die Rede ist, dann kommt also bei einem noch unwissenden und einem erstmals einen materiellen Körper bewohnenden Neugeist das schöpferische und in der Geistform impulsmässig lagernde Gesetz zur Geltung, aus sich selbst heraus einen Gesamtbewusstseinblock zu erschaffen. Dieser erschafft dann aus sich selbst heraus wiederum ein sich selbst bewusstes Materiell-Bewusstsein und somit also die eigentliche Persönlichkeit, die dann das materielle Leben bewältigt, lernt und nach dem Ableben des materiellen Körpers wieder vergeht. Verbunden mit der Geistform, die nach dem Ableben des materiellen Körpers in einen eigenen Jenseitsbereich überwechselt, geschieht das gleiche mit dem Bewusstseinblock, der ebenfalls in einen Jenseitsbereich eingeht. In diesem arbeitet der Gesamtbewusstseinblock durch seine neutrale Energie zusammen mit der Persönlichkeit noch alles vollständig auf, was durch das vergangene aktuelle Leben noch nicht verarbeitet ist. Findet diese Aufarbeitung durch den Gesamtbewusstseinblock ihre Vollendung, dann wird durch die Kraft und Energie des Gesamtbewusstseinblocks die Persönlichkeit in reine neutrale Energie aufgelöst, die keinerlei alte Persönlichkeitsimpulse mehr beinhaltet. Diese neutrale Geist-Energie findet dann vom Gesamtbewusstseinblock dafür Verwendung, daraus eine absolut neue Persönlichkeit und also ein neues Bewusstsein zu erschaffen, die/ das mit der aufgelösten und vergangenen Persönlichkeit resp. mit dem alten Bewusstsein keinerlei Gleichheiten mehr aufweist. Diese neue Persönlichkeit ist es dann, die zusammen mit der reinkarnationsfähigen Geistform und den neuen Bewusstseinblock in einem neuen menschlichen Körper geboren wird. Daraus geht auch hervor, dass keine Persönlichkeit und also kein Mensch wiedergeboren werden kann, weil dies einzig und allein der allzeit beständigen Geistform vorbehalten bleibt. Nur die Geistform ist also durch schöpferische Gesetzmässigkeiten der Wiedergeburt eingeordnet, nicht jedoch die Persönlichkeit. Während der aktuellen Lebenszeit der Persönlichkeit resp. des Bewusstseins werden laufend alle Dinge wie Gedanken, Gefühle, Bewegungen, Fähigkeiten und Emotionen usw. usf. in die Speicherbänke abgelagert und für alle Zeiten registriert und festgehalten. Stirbt der materielle Körper, dann entschwindet das Bewusstsein resp. die Persönlichkeit (Persönlichkeit und Bewusstsein sind zwei verschiedene Begriffe für ein und dasselbe), das/die im Bewusstseinblock integriert ist, in einem dem Geist-form-Jenseitsbereich angegliederten eigenen Jenseitsbereich. In diesem Bereich wird durch die Kraft der neutralen Gesamtbewusstseinblock-Energie all das während des aktuellen Lebens noch Unverarbeitete der Persönlichkeit resp. des Bewusstseins aufgearbeitet, wobei alles daraus neutral-wertvoll Entstehende in die Geistform in deren Jenseitsbereich transferiert wird, wobei gleichzeitig alles und jedes in die Speicherbänke Übertragene sich in den Speichern ablagert. Ist der Prozess der Verarbeitung beendet, dann löst sich die Persönlichkeit in reine Geistenergie auf, die vom Gesamtbewusstseinblock in eine absolut neue Persönlichkeit resp. in ein neues Bewusstsein umgeformt wird, die/ das mit der früheren Existenz keinerlei Bewandtnis oder Gleichheit mehr hat. Das aber wurde bereits einführend und ausführlich erklärt. Die neue Persönlichkeit resp. das neue Bewusstsein, die/das mit der allein reinkarnationsfähigen Geistform geboren wird und ein einmaliges aktuelles Leben führt, ist absolut unwissend in jeder Beziehung, folglich sie/es also ein lebenslanger Lernprozess durchlaufen muss, wodurch Wissen, Liebe und Weisheit gesammelt werden. Schwingungsmässig und unterbewusst auf einer eigenen Frequenz, jedoch mit den Speicherbänken verbunden, werden in unterbewusster Weise laufend Impulse der eigenen früheren Persönlichkeiten und deren Existenz <abgezogen>. Dadurch treten Ahnungen und von alters her erarbeitetes Wissen in Erscheinung, wodurch die neue Persönlichkeit resp. das neue Bewusstsein sehr schnell lernt und - zusammen mit allem neu erarbeiteten Wissen - stetig wissender und weiser wird. Aus den Speicherbänken <abgezogene> Wissensimpulse und Erinnerungs-Impulse in bezug auf Wissen und Weisheit aus früheren Existenzen treten in der Regel als Ahnungen auf, von denen der Mensch im Regelfall aber nicht weiss, woher diese stammen. In dieser Folge nennt er sie im Unverstehen der Wahrheit dann Inspirationen, die er irgendwelchen anderen Ebenen oder Wesen zuschreibt, obwohl sie wahrheitlich persönlich eigenen Speicherimpulsen eigener früherer Persönlichkeiten zuzuordnen sind. Sind die Geistform und die Persönlichkeit des Menschen resp. das Bewusstsein des Menschen zu einem bestimmten hohen Grad evolutioniert, dann können die eigenen Impulse des gegenwärtig aktuellen Lebens sowie die Impulse eigener früherer Persönlichkeiten bewusst aus den Speicherbänken <abgerufen> werden, wodurch sich der Mensch bewusst Wissen und Weisheiten eigener früherer Persönlichkeiten früherer Leben nutzbar machen kann. Frequenzähnlichkeiten mit anderen Persönlichkeiten können dabei ebenfalls nutzbar sein, wenn <verwandte> Wissensimpulse abgerufen und zur Evolution genutzt werden können. Ein bewusstes Abrufen eigener Speicherbank-Impulse ist jedoch erst möglich, wenn eine hohe Bewusstseins-Evolution gegeben ist, ansonsten sich das Ganze in rein unterbewussten Formen bewegt, wenn eine niedrige Bewusstseins-Evolution besteht, wie das für noch lange Zeit beim Erdenmenschen der Fall ist. Diesbezüglich gibt es nur wenige Ausnahmen, die sich an einer Hand abzählen lassen und die sich nicht in den Kreisen der Esoterik, des Channeling, der Medien und angeblicher Kontaktpersonen zu angeblichen Geistern und höheren Wesen usw. bewegen. ----------- Note: My translation (which may contain errors) incorporates the Korrigenda for the book (2007/2011) located at: http://www.figu.org/ch/files/downloads/korrigendas/wiedergeburt_leben_sterben_tod_und_trauer.pdf Hope this helps to better understand where a large part of my drawing Reincarnation/Incarnation Process was translated & consolidated from. PatM | ||
Niko_sulonen Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 11-2008 |
Patm, Thank you. Informative and useful. Salome, Niko | ||
Ilovebilly Member Post Number: 718 Registered: 04-2011 |
Nice Patm thanks mate Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them. | ||
Friteeucman Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 09-2021 |
Yay! Cool Diagram. I showed it to a friend about a month ago. Thanks Patm! Could you make a diagram explaining Fluidal-Forces? That would be great! I think I saw one somewhere. F.e. -Ziffe a thire z da Ummi! | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1381 Registered: 04-2013 |
Thank you Scott and Michael Yedebrook for the excellent work on this very informative video, "Timeline for the Creation-Energy Part-Piece". This explains a lot regarding what is happening today on Earth and why people do not understand basic Creational laws who remain trapped in faith and consequently in their stupidity or self-non-thinking… Starting at 08:14 in the video: …due to the gross overpopulation on the Earth it is not surprising that large parts of the population appear confused and can EASILY BE MISLED because the personality and the consciousness structures of the predominant part are still completely immature. A large portion of the human beings who were born too early or much too early FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT OR IMPOSSIBLE to find their way in life and suffer from a regrettable lack of stability… When talking to some people about Creational Laws, the Teaching, the Covid Pandemic protocols, 99942 Apophis asteroid, many people act like they are deer staring into the headlights of an oncoming stream of traffic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2QuXdiDa3A Salome Kenneth | ||
Norms Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 12-2019 |
@Kenneth, I'm not clear on what exactly pulls the creation energy and consciousness back into a new life before adequate development before taking birth. Is it that the consciousness is unaware that it needs 1.52x as much time to develop before taking birth? | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1382 Registered: 04-2013 |
Greetings Norms, That is a good question, “…what exactly pulls the creation energy and consciousness back into a new life before adequate development before taking birth.” A short answer may not be adequate? As we know from the Teaching, Earth's over population causes many of the human spiritforms to reincarnate sooner than 1.52 times the years of age at death. i.e., a person dies at the age of 80 in the year 2021, traditionally without overpopulation that would mean that this spiritform would reincarnate around the year 2142. A side note: A human being that dies on Earth regardless of where they are from (other worlds), by Creational Law, must reincarnate on Earth. It’s my understanding, from retrospect, due to overpopulation, there is a backlog of spiritforms waiting to reembody on Earth. When in the other world (death-life world), every action that a person executed, every thought, every dream etc. is worked out so that the next properly intended reincarnation, some segments of the old OCB can be accessed in order to help a person improve in all areas for each successive lifetime. Overpopulation short-circuiting the reincarnation cycle interferes with this process. An example using todays technology: If one takes a DVD (Digital Video Disc or Digital Versatile Disc) and hurriedly improperly formatted the disk for another video recording, then when watching the new video on this disc, some of the old embedded formatted memory would be visible in the picture causing confusion. So to reiterate, it’s my understanding that overpopulation interferes with the OCB (Overall Consciousness Block); in other words; it appears to be with the deprogramming and reprogramming that was maybe circumvented to a certain degree. The spiritform is not affected in any way. Nonetheless, this could also mean that some humans are born with illnesses, such as various retardation issues for lack of a better word, allergies of diverse kinds, sociopathic and or psychopathic problems, gender identification confusion, etc., etc. “It is always a question of how long the new personality was in the other world and how much of the necessary things it was able to work on and work out. …//…If instead of 152 years the time amounts to only ten years in the other world, then therefore a deficit time results, in which only 1/15 of what must have been worked out was worked out. Such can then happen e.g., if after the dying of the human being in the wake of the overpopulation, a very fast reincarnation of the spirit-form and the consciousness-block and a birth of the new personality into the embryo take place…” Billy “…Fluidal-Powers and Other Things”, page 284 Your statement: “Is it that the consciousness is unaware that it needs 1.52x as much time to develop before taking birth?” It is my understanding that the consciousness has no deciding factor on the 1.52x. Hope that helps. There are Contact Reports that go into better detail. This link may be helpful: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Reincarnation Salome Kenneth | ||
Norms Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 12-2019 |
@Kenneth, Very interesting read (on Reincarnation). My deceased grandmother once said that some spirits ask whether there is space for them on the planet before considering a new life. My understanding of all this is the next life will remember you (consciousness + creation energy) by your condition when you died and will build upon that as a continuation of evolution. So important to continuously improve ones condition. Also know from sending out feelers, that all stress falls away very quickly to freedom allowing for regeneration during the night time travels, but again upon reentry, there is confinement and limited freedom. However, each day offers new possibilities with new experiences and understanding. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1560 Registered: 07-2009 |
Norms, Spirits don't "ask" anything. Also, if you're claiming that your grandmother said that when she was already deceased, I suggest reading the pertinent info from Meier, as it appears your information contradicts the Creation-energy teaching. | ||
Reen71b Member Post Number: 49 Registered: 09-2020 |
I also have a question in regards to reincarnation. Do the lesser evolved spirit forms reincarnate much sooner and possibly more frequently than the more evolved ones? My thoughts are maybe they do so they can catch up with the ones who've evolved higher. Or, maybe the higher evolved ones reincarnate sooner as well so that they can pass the teachings of the truth to help the lesser evolved ones to catch up? Maureen | ||
Norms Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 12-2019 |
@Michael Horn, My grandmother was alive at the time she said that. However, in the same way the Creation energy is working out it's just lived life, it is also taking in the continuing development and conditions on the planet that are being stored in the planetary storage banks and the overall consciousness block as part of it's development. But what is the trigger that stops that development? Was reading on the Reincarnation page that there is a line waiting to take birth and that there is a preference for the conditions in according to one's evolution and evolutionary needs (... not in those words). if there are 140 thousand-million distinct wesens in the vicinity of Earth and 140 million births a year on average, then that would require 1000 years according to a first-in-first-out sequence. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1383 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hi Maureen, Your question, “Do the lesser evolved spirit forms reincarnate much sooner and possibly more frequently than the more evolved ones…” It is my understanding that you have the correct prospective, to be clear, lets say that Earthling’s evolution is at a certain stage of spiritual and technical development. If for instance, those human beings that lived on Mars and Malona were at a higher evolutional development (technical, spiritual, etc.) than the Earthlings, when Malona was destroyed and Mars was rendered lifeless, these spirit-forms will have to wait until the evolution of the Earthlings catches up with or close to where the Malonian’s and Marians were in their evolution before their spirit-forms can reincarnate on Earth. As you now may know, the spirit-forms of Malona, also called Malon and Phaeton (now the asteroid belt) and Mars will migrate to the closest planet with like lifeforms according to Creational Law. For those spiritforms, that planet happens to be Earth. So from this prospective, Earthlings spirit-form will reincarnate more frequently. Planet Malon: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/w/index.php?search=Malon&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go Destruction of the planet Malon: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_155 Mars and Malon: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Mars Salome Kenneth | ||
Reen71b Member Post Number: 50 Registered: 09-2020 |
Kenneth, Thank you so much for replying. It does make sense that the lesser evolved ones would reincarnate sooner. I also considered, since earth is in a unique situation, that some of the more evolved ones would also reincarnate sooner to help along with the lesser evolved ones progression. Food for thought. Maureen | ||
Friteeucman Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 09-2021 |
Hey Scott, would you post your translation of the Bernadette’s Nokodiemeon book; anything that has to do with 144k and the 144k professional assistants? Thank you. F.e. rex resa: king of laughter, wisdom XrMorphea The one who dreams and shapes things to come Harmony.Sustainability.Sovereignty... -Ziffe a thire z da Ummi! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3521 Registered: 12-1999 |
F.e., Here is a portion of it, but there is more information in the book from what I recall. https://californiaforfigu.org/blog-home/timeline Your Welcome | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 927 Registered: 07-2006 |
Scott, One suggested correction to your translation: "7,000,000,000 Jahre Zeitdauer" should be translated as: "7,000,000,000 years time-duration" rather than: "7,000,000,000 years ago" See also: https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Reference%20Material/Spiritual/Creational%20Timeline-sec.pdf PatM | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 1801 Registered: 04-2011 |
INTERESTING DETAILS ABOUT NOKODEMION IN THE CONTACT REPORTS AND THE FOM NOKODEMION – OVERVIEW Www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Nokodemion REASON FOR THE ADVENT OF NOKODEMION www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_465 CR 465:88-98 CREATION OF NOKODEMION’S RACES / THE PEOPLE OF LASAN www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_238 CR 238:666-694 - None of the Races in our Milky Way Galaxy Could Have Developed into Part/Full Spiritual Beings Yet - Third Incarnation of Nokodemion was on (the now extinct) Galaxy LYREN 3816 mill LY from Earth, Solar System WARON, Planet SADR - 12 bill years ago Nokodemion’s races were “… so degenerate that their senses and aspirations were, with all murderous means, only after boundless power…” It was decreed that the races would not incarnate until a special decree allowed them to do so: This would happen only after 4 bill. years after “ … almost all knowledge had to escape out of the storage banks of all personalities, and new personalities were created through the collective consciousness block - became the people of LASAN 8 billion years ago – the reincarnating races still created trouble – e.g., “Eye of God” nebula) CR 238:895-896 www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_238 Nokodemion invents Multiplicator Apparatus to create his Peacekeeping Armies Billy: “…If I remember correctly, then the inexhaustible oceans of cosmic electrons are tapped in order to transform and form the necessary matter from the electrons, from which then the templates programmed by atomic images receive their material form and are materially duplicated….”) Ptaah confirms that Plejaren still use this apparatus for their purposes today DESCENDANTS OF NOKODEMION PEOPLES COMING TO EARTH AS TEACHERS http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_236 CR236:14-81 “…many of these distant descendants of the former 144,000 Nokodemion descendants-people-emigrants became and still are very talented in terms of consciousness with regard to certain areas as a result of their evolution of consciousness and their abilities of various kinds, which are transmitted to them through their total consciousness block, and in this respect they are powerful in progressive innovations” NOKODEMION TEACHING YELLOW RACES on the other side of the galaxy (Kudra in Nissan Constellation) and other races from the Lyra System www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_410 CR 410:64-80 13,500 AGO NOKODEMION TEACHINGS SPREAD IN INDIA www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_440 - Origin of the Veda (Indians later added angels, gods and demi-gods) Nokodemion was the only exception that a pure spirit-level reincarnated / returned to material plane some 12 billion years ago SPIRITUAL TEACHING IS PROCLAIMED BY 6 PROPHETS OF THE NOKODEMION LINEAGE wWw.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_657 CR 657:13-26 CR 721 - FURTHER DETAILS ABOUT NOCODEMION AND THE SPREAD OF HIS TEACHING www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_721 CR 721:17-72 NOKODEMION AND PLEJAREN – NOKODEMION AND THE EBRAYA Ebraya falsify (that Avram was dark-skinned and) the Nokodemion teaching brought to them PTAAH’S FAMILY HAS THE TASK TO SPREAD NOKODEMION’S SPIRIT TEACHING BY ASSISTING THE 7 PROPHETS (BILLY BEING THE 7TH) CR 721:283-289: BILLY ASSISTED THE PLEJAREN FROM HIS YOUTH ON CR 721:283-311 NOKODEMION’S SPIRIT TEACHING AND PHILOSOPHY OF ARISTOTLE AND ANCIENT GREEKS CR 721: 313 onwards Billy explains the Nokodemion Created - Main Concept of Spirit and Spirit Teaching - Origin and Misuse of the Vales Related to Ethics, Ethos and Morality “The ancient philosophers did not devise this valuable teaching themselves, so Aristotle did not either, but they took it over from a Plejaren itinerant teacher, from a wise man who on the one hand had to conceal his origin – like many others, because the origin of certain Earth-foreigners was not allowed to be recognised -, but on the other hand he had special knowledge and also mastered the art of argument, of extensive verbal explanations, of explaining and proving, and in this way he spread the traditional teachings of ethics and morality as they were originally worked out and taught by Nokodemion. In this respect, only a few can be mentioned, whereby Socrates, Plato, Thucydides, Pythagoras, Anaxagoras, Parmenides, Heraclitus and George of Leontinol should perhaps also be mentioned, although I do not know exactly which of these philosophers really dealt in depth with the teaching of ethos, ethics and morals, as was the case with Aristotle.” “… To explain the word value 'morality', commandments can be used as parables, which fundamentally do not correspond to laws, but to recommendations and advice. Such commandments or recommendations were already interpreted by the herald Nokodemion about 9 billion years ago, not in our DERN universe, but in the ANKAR universe and thus in another space-time structure. Nokodemion laid the foundation stone for 77 million canons with the teaching of the commandments etc., which were recorded in the 'Teaching of the Spirit' or 'Teaching of Truth, Teaching of the Spirit, Teaching of Life', after which the teaching was taught and spread until today through the work of heralds” | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3522 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Patrick, You're right, I will make the correction...always a work in progress. Thank you and Salome Scott | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3542 Registered: 12-1999 |
Here is a further clarification of terms. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1435 Registered: 08-2010 |
Thank you Scott, And special thanks to Christian Frehner and Michael Uyttebroek. This clarification is plenty enough for me and it addresses my original thoughts and covers that which I was interested in. Billy's explanations and final words are an inspiration and offer an enlightenment which everyone should profit from by reading this article. The logic is there and said logic further illuminated, for me, the importance of the study of the Goblet Of The Truth. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3543 Registered: 12-1999 |
Your Welcome Eddie. |
