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Tat_tvam_asi Member
Post Number: 1752 Registered: 04-2011
| Posted on Friday, October 15, 2021 - 02:32 pm: |
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Re-Evaluating Semjase’s Prediction in CR 52 Hi Kenneth, Thank you for submitting Semjase’s information to the Apophis Team. Re. Chris Svensson’s thought re. the pyramids being a measure for Nile waters and this perhaps being the subject of Semjase’s CR: It could be. Semjase mentions - an “impending catastrophe” – and yes, CR 222 mentions that some 11,000 years ago, the people sought refuge in underground cities under the pyramids when hit by great floods. But Semjase’s further hints clearly mention that the catastrophe - “threatens the earth from the cosmos” - is a “looming catastrophe from space” - “a catastrophe would once again threaten the Earth from the cosmos, like at the time of the construction of the pyramids *)” The 3 most likely scenarios that she may have meant - a return of the Destroyer planet - an asteroid / meteor (e.g., Apophis) hitting Earth - or she may have hinted at the ETs (that created the pyramid) returning to our planet 1st alternative At the time she spoke to Billy (1976) the Destroyer was on an orbit that would make it hit earth again *) However, the Destroyer’s next flyby was far off (I think in 2275 which would be 199 years after 1976) But the danger she spoke of, sounded much more imminent. In addition, the danger of the Destroyer no longer exists – the planet’s course was changed by the Plejaren post-1976. So, if the Destroyer -event was the catastrophe the pyramid builders correctly predicted, it was not to happen which makes the prediction false. Furthermore, if Semjase was not allowed to speak about the (Destroyer) catastrophe hitting earth around the time of the pyramid building why was Quetzal? *) There are, of course, other space-related catastrophes possible but would they satisfy the criteria “like “as at the time of the construction of the pyramids”? Anyway – the two other alternatives would be: 2nd alternative: Apophis Apophis is much smaller than the Destroyer but certainly a cosmic threat to our planet – as explained in post 1751 3rd alternative: Contact with ETs It could make sense that those that built the pyramid, did so (built the pyramids), to point to the date they would return: - We know from Ptaah that ETs wanted to contact us already in 1995 (they were told to stay away- but there may be a chance they return when the Plejaren leave in 2029). – Luiz Elizondo tells us that the UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena – new word for the UFOs in our skies) are switching the "nuclear capabilities of major nations" on and off at will http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/19338.html#POST93039 - Billy’s Predictions in CR 251 tell us that at a future time earth humans will – following an ET consultation - establish stations on the sea beds for habitation. This implies that we made contact with ETs before this time. But would they fulfil the criteria of creating a “catastrophe that once again threatens the Earth from the cosmos, like at the time of the construction of the pyramids …”? I do not think that the “foreigners from the Constellation of the Lion and Orion” – at the time they built the pyramids – created a catastrophe to earth humans, came as space invaders etc. But I may be wrong. In conclusion: It seems that Semjase meant the Destroyer, an event that was but did not happen due to a decision by the Plejaren to divert this “space-bandit”. Alternatively, it could have been a Destroyer-like event. No such event is detectable – so maybe the possible Apophis impact? Then again, none of these “would be major events” is mentioned in CR 251. But there are some hints in the CRs and facts (Luiz Elizondo / ETs controlling of terrestrial nuclear weaponry) that ETs may make intend to make contact with Earth humans. But one would hope that the aliens are peaceful and not a “looming catastrophe from space”. Whatever Semjase's predicted event may have been or will be - it may still be worth the while to check for the tubular opening of the pyramid and the date it is hit by the light beam of the major stars in the Orion / Lion Constellations. Salome, Bill *) CR 150:480 www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_150 480. A large part of the Earth humans at that time, however, found protection and survival because they had been warned by our ancestors regarding the [first time] coming of the Destroyer and the impending disasters, consequently they built themselves structures like the Pyramids and also other shelters. One wonders: Why would building pyramids protect the people from the destruction by the Destroyer planet? Not many people could fit inside the pyramids. Even if they built underground cities with the pyramids above – one wonders how this would have protected them from earthquakes etc. or given them - for a longer period the necessary food supplies, water etc.). (Message edited by scott on October 15, 2021) |
   
Tat_tvam_asi Member
Post Number: 1755 Registered: 04-2011
| Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2021 - 01:24 pm: |
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Changes/Additional Remarks: 1. "The Destroyer" (last flyby in 1680) was to return, "with great destructive force", in 2250 (CR 251) - and this would have been some 274 years after Semjase's prediction in 1976. But acc. to Ptaah Jan 5, 2005: The Destroyer was taken out of course in the late 1990s and is now on its way to the outermost ring belt of the SOL system, where it will remain for all time and no longer returns to the inner solar system. www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251 2. 'Tube-like Opening' Billy in 1988 (CR 222): " ... But again, everything rotted in the course of the next millennia and fell into decay, so that about 4,500 years ago there was again a huge pyramid work, in which everything that was rotten and decaying was torn away, removed and replaced. In the process the main pyramid completely lost its inner structure and design, which was rebuilt and completely redesigned under the strict power of Khufu. So. we can probably say that the pyramid of Giza of today can indeed be called Khufu's pyramid, even if its actual origin can be traced back to other and partly unearthly builders from the constellation Orion..." As Khufu's rebuilt pyramid "completely lost its inner structure" we may question whether the pyramid's 'tube-like opening' was a part of the new pyramid. Then again, if it was omitted, Semjase may have told us. ww.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_222 NB: Scott, could you kindly update CR 413 (small change only) Text in CR 413 “weil sie dem Verfall anheimfielen, eben durch Modern im Innern sowie durch die Witterung”. Translated as "because they fell into decay, due to modernity inside and the weather." Should be: "because they fell into decay, due to rotting inside and [being exposed to] weather [/atmospheric conditions]" The German word “modern” is not only an adjective but as well a verb with a completely different meaning (to rot) The Future Of Mankind - A Billy Meier Wiki - Contact Report 413 Thank you.
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Kenneth Member
Post Number: 1363 Registered: 04-2013
| Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2021 - 03:37 pm: |
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Hi Bill, Some logical thoughts regarding these Prophecies and Predictions, “CR 222 mentions that some 11,000 years ago, the people sought refuge in underground cities under the pyramids when hit by great floods.” Could this Contact Report be referencing the looming war between Atlantis and Mu? We know that water will always seek the lowest level and the path of least resistance. So, why would people go underground during a flood? We are apparently missing something in these reports that we have not yet figured out. There is currently no way for us Earthlings to be certain that the Red Meteor will strike Earth in 2029, 2036 or be diverted. Those that pick certain dates are only guessing. Well, they have a 33% chance of being correct. You stated: “1. There is a “tube-like opening of the revelation” *** which stretches from the o/s to the centre of the (main?) pyramid****) of Gizeh 2. When the light of one particular star falls onto it - 3. It will warn Earth inhabitants of an “impending catastrophe” … from space”. Understand what you are expressing. My understanding is that the Earth’s rotation and axial tilt, also known as the obliquity of the ecliptic has changed since the pyramids star tube opening was created. If that is the case, the light of a certain star would not be accurate? It seems more likely that the Prophecies and Predictions relate to the Destroyer comet/planet, the Giza pyramid and associated star light tube. The wandering Destroyer planet is or was 1.4 times larger than the Earth's moon. It passed dangerously close to the Earth in past history disturbing its orbit and, even the Earth’s rotation was reversed… Then there is the destruction of Atlantis with the asteroid strike which also had an affect on Earth rotation, and over 2,000 nuclear bomb detonations that caused some orbit and or planet rotation changes as well. In my opinion, it all points to the Destroyer planet. The Plejaren developed technology to divert the Destroyer in relatively recent history, so the Giza star light tube may no longer be an ineffective tool? Kind regards Kenneth |
   
Tat_tvam_asi Member
Post Number: 1756 Registered: 04-2011
| Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2021 - 10:30 pm: |
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I agree, Kenneth. Semjase most likely pointed to a destruction similar to the one the Destroyer caused soon after building the original pyramids ca. 75,000 ago. It may well be that she referred to the expected "next coming of the Destroyer" thinking this event would happen much earlier: In CR 150*) Billy tells us that Semjase told him "back then that she was not precisely oriented about everything and that quite possibly, there could be errors in her data." Quetzal then confirms that Semjase had never deeply occupied herself with the Destroyer history. So maybe she thought the return of the Destroyer was at an earlier date than 2250 which makes her much more imminent sounding prediction understandable. But if the 2250 return of the Destroyer was the event that was engraved in a pyramid text, then all the predictions from the "aliens from Orion/Leo living on Earth" were wrong and one wonders how - without time travel - they would have come to their prediction. On the other hand, if they found this information via time travel, then would it not have to happen? Considering all the possibilities there may be a slight chance that the event was not the expected return of the Destroyer but an event that creates a similar devastation. That is why it may not hurt to check for the 'tube-like opening' (if Khufu included it in its pyramid-redesign) and scan the pyramid texts for any ominous events. BTW - the Destroyer's volume is "1.72 times that of the Earth" but its weight "has been reduced to the average mass of the Earth" **) *) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_150 (just before 150:454) **) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Destroyer |
   
Kenneth Member
Post Number: 1364 Registered: 04-2013
| Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2021 - 11:33 pm: |
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Bill, Very interesting; there are two different versions of the destroyer planet. "A bright wandering planet 1.4 times the size of the Earth's moon breaks into the SOL system. Of unknown origin, it comes in from space and breaks into the orbit of Venus, in order to disturb its course. It then passes dangerously close to the Earth and disturbs its orbit and balance, whereby the Earth, in the course of about 158 years, is disturbed by the wanderer that returns several times, and the Earth is even reversed in its rotation, accompanied by apocalyptic disasters, by which the cardinal directions and the annual revolution of the Earth around the Sun are changed in such a way that the orbital period drops up to 284 days." http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_155 Search the website using the word Destroyer, it's about halfway down the page after: Quetzal: 66. Here, you still have to use this in order to complete the list. The Destroyer's volume of "1.72 times that of the Earth, makes more since. When I read 1.4 times larger than the Earth's moon, I thought that was too small. Thanks for pointing that out. Regards Kenneth |
   
Schantz Member
Post Number: 361 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2021 - 10:13 am: |
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Scott, That good find will be easier to find, if its posted here as well. Hello Earth, http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Sfath%27s_Explanation |
   
Tat_tvam_asi Member
Post Number: 1761 Registered: 04-2011
| Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2021 - 10:48 am: |
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Thank you, Kenneth, I, too, say "very interesting" I did not know that there are 2 destroyer planets. Salome, Bill |
   
Schantz Member
Post Number: 362 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2021 - 09:27 pm: |
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Scott, It may be easier for folks that want to join our UFO religious cult, to just read what Wikipedia has listed. It will only take a minute or two by reading Wikipedia. Otherwise this link takes much longer time to read, and requires deep thought and analysis of the information. Our lives are so busy, so it's best to take shortcuts and not waste time on actual thinking. I'll repost again, in case you're bored and have nothing better to do. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Sfath%27s_Explanation |
   
Schantz Member
Post Number: 363 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2021 - 10:07 pm: |
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Norm, I know you have battled Wikipedia in the past, but can you please add that Billy is to be worshipped, due to our inferiority of him, being our supreme leader? It was there before, but the the information on Wikipedia keeps changing. It's almost like they think people are starting to wake up. So they have to be as clever and sly as they can. This is constant, and will remain so forever. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Sfath%27s_Explanation |
   
Schantz Member
Post Number: 364 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Monday, October 18, 2021 - 09:51 am: |
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Norm, Please disregard my previous post. I just found this link, and in line 6, it basically says we don't have a supreme leader that we worship. http://au.figu.org/figu_nutshell.html |
   
Schantz Member
Post Number: 365 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Monday, October 18, 2021 - 10:57 pm: |
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The Great Reset, by The World Economic Forum, is triggering, The Great Awakening, by humanity. 82. Eduard, it will be your task to awaken the human beings of Earth out of their sleep of untruth and unknowledge. 83. You must instruct the human beings further that they must hold themselves ready for the revolution of truth as well as for the fact of their duty which they have to fulfil in regard to Creation and its laws and recommendations. 84. Also, adhering to this fulfilment of duty amounts to a revolution, because only a few will take it upon themselves to consciously fulfil this obligation. 85. Nevertheless, this comprehensive revolution is not built upon politics and also knows no parties at all, because, in its essence, it is aligned with real freedom. Accordingly, every single human being has the free choice of his thoughts and feelings as well as his actions and dealings, thus, every individual can therefore freely decide whether he wants to further turn to untruth and unknowledge or to knowledge, wisdom and true love, peace, wellbeing, and balance and harmony. 86. The teaching of the truth, or, the spiritual teaching, the teaching of the creational truth, shall, however, be the signpost for every human being, so that everybody can follow it according to his own will, if he is willing. 87. The teaching shall become a movement, which shall spread worldwide and bring peace, love and freedom, as well as all other high values, to the human beings of this world. 88. However, you must always be aware that evil mighty-ones, the envious, slanderers, deceivers, liars, thieves and all kinds of other negative powers, who will also undertake murderous attacks on you, will try to impair and destroy your entire work and energy, whereby also a stop will not be made to accusing you of malicious things in court in order to destroy your mission. 89. But always be confident, because, if you unswervingly and consciously do your duty to your mission, live virtuously, preserve your modesty and honesty and true love’s place within you, then, ultimately, all attacks of every kind will turn out to benefit you and bring you success. 90. Thus it will happen that everything which is negatively, fraudulently, murderously, slanderously, mendaciously, thievishly and enviously concocted against you steadily changes itself to progress and success for you and your mission. 91. Thereby your group, which is to be built up by you, will grow as a nucleus just as much as the external group, which will assume worldwide forms. 92. Concerning this, also electronic and other technology will be helpful to you, because, in the time to come, everything in this regard will develop so rapidly that each new thing will already become obsolete again within a few days. 93. Thereby you will be able to spread the teaching of the truth throughout the entire world, because the information will reach its destination within seconds. 94. Therefore, it is not necessary for you to defend yourself against the attacking behaviour directed at you, because all who take action against you in any kind of negative form will only harm themselves. 95. Therefore, always react neutrally in regard to all attacks against your person or against your mission. 96. Learn to control yourself in these things and to always remain calm, because that is the best weapon and the best defence against any attack. I think Sfath's advice to Eduard/Billy back then, is very applicable for today. Now the attacks are coming from the elite, evil, powerful ones, against who they think are the weak, helpless, no power ones. Stay tuned. I was born for this fight, as were many others. |
   
Schantz Member
Post Number: 366 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Monday, October 18, 2021 - 11:41 pm: |
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The "enemy" wrongly thinks I will defeat them with hate, anger and fear. That's why they will lose this battle. I'm not foolish enough to give the "enemy" the weapons they need to survive. They will slowly but surely wither away in defeat, due to thier lack of compassion and empathy. They will self destruct. I will not find joy in thier suffering. I can only hope they will change their ways. The world is in a major crisis. The only way out is through peace and understanding. Do not feed the "enemy" with hate, anger, and fear. Otherwise they win. |
   
Schantz Member
Post Number: 383 Registered: 03-2007
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2021 - 09:27 pm: |
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I read this today from Natural News. "The real threat from Cumbre Vieja / La Palma island volcano In today’s Situation Update, we cover the Queensland attack on humanity, and we also cover the real threat to human civilization posed by the Cumbre Vieja volcano. It’s not the tsunami threat to the East Coast that’s the real threat here. It’s that the volcano might erupt and eject a massive amount of particulate matter into the atmosphere, darkening the sun for an entire year." I wonder if the work being done to protect the food sources at the SSSC, in Contact Report 710, has any relation to the above? The same website Natural News, had an article about the coronavirus, being called the Crown virus, almost two weeks ago. I've only heard the term Crown virus two times now. Yesterday, in Contact Report 779, and in the article stated above. |
   
Tat_tvam_asi Member
Post Number: 1771 Registered: 04-2011
| Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2021 - 04:54 pm: |
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Early Test Runs? Some prophecies which may, in some respect, relate to Luis Elizondo’s report: forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/19338.html#POST93039 Quetzal in 1987 - CR 215 – Henoch Prophecies http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_215 CR 215 225. According to the prophecies of Henoch, the truth about industrialized countries is that they only seem to appear to be true civilizations, but in fact they are not; because more and more, at the end of the 20th century and at the beginning of the third millennium, they will disregard all true love, true freedom and true wisdom as well as true peace along with all values of humaneness and of being true humans … 214. And at this time ^), the possibility could become reality that extraterrestrial forces intervene against the … industrialized countries, because these will be responsible for the extreme and enormous disaster of the coming evil times. 215. These extraterrestrial forces will give up their anonymity and their state of secrecy and will assist those who are being terrorized by the irresponsibly acting …. countries, should this possibility become reality. ^) According to the context this should happen at a later time ^^) – so maybe some early (preparatory) “test runs” …?. ^^) Real encounter at a time when (due to overpopulation and natural disasters / loss of lands??) mankind is forced to build dwellings on the bottom of the oceans (which sounds very surreal/futuristic, indeed). |
   
Scott Moderator
Post Number: 3494 Registered: 12-1999
| Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2021 - 05:34 pm: |
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Perhaps this may develop into a similar situation, in which we receive an intervention as the inhabitants of the planet Kartag did. • Inhabited by humans at a similar stage of development to Earth humans. • Visited by Billy and the Plejaren on the 16th September 1975. • The inhabitants were destroying one another with nuclear missiles. • They also used aircraft that were similar to Plejaren beamships. • The system was under the control at the time of the visit by a highly developed form of life, which intervened to prevent an extraplanetary catastrophe. The inhabitants adhered to the advice of this highly developed form of life and were thus saved from total self-annihilation. |
   
Newinitiation Member
Post Number: 2687 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Saturday, October 30, 2021 - 06:27 pm: |
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215. These extraterrestrial forces will give up their anonymity and their state of secrecy and will assist those who are being terrorized by the irresponsibly acting …. countries, should this possibility become reality. Bill I think that this line is talking about the long skulls for who else could it be other than this group. The plejaren stated that that'll never interfere in the affairs of earthlings even if we annihilate ourselves. I gather that the federation members are also bound by this rule. This leaves nobody else but the long skulls. I could be wrong but somewhere within the heart of these long skulls the yearning must be there to want for the earthlings to step up so that they can join us as they did prior in ancient times. I wonder what the circumstances were that led to them going underground because it must've been a very catastrophic event for them eg. an epidemic that nearly wiped out their race completely. It may have been earthling's diseased bodies that had something to do with it whereby through contact the long skulls nearly got wiped out hence their avoidance and total isolated state from us earthlings for millenia. I am speculating that due to an epidemic via the contact with earthlings scores of their scientists, engineers, technologists, researchers and technicians died as a result creating a brain drain whereby what should've been at least 1000 year technological gap between us earthlings by now they are instead relegated to mere 200 years. If we ever get to do a proper autopsies on the mummies of the Egyptian pharaohs with more sophisticated equipment and technical tools say 10 to 20 years from now especially on the ones with the long skulls it might yield interesting microbiological results. The possible results of their death could be attributed to a variant of the coronavirus. Now that could be something indeed and time will tell of course. You wonder why the Egyptians mummified the pharaohs using copious amounts of salt. Now I realise natron kills viruses or at least neutralises them and renders them inactive. If you knew that cremating the bodies to kill the coronavirus stored within the dead bodies of pharaohs effected the next incarnation of the spirit as they won't be able to utilise the fluidal forces stored in bones of the next incarnation what is the next best thing to do so that you kill two birds with one stone? Use natron and mummify. Matt lee |
   
Reen71b Member
Post Number: 45 Registered: 09-2020
| Posted on Sunday, October 31, 2021 - 02:37 am: |
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@Newinitiation Speaking of the long skulls, I just watched this video released by Brien Foerster today. Very interesting is you'd like to check it out. "Elongated Skull Phenomenon: Global Presence, DNA Analysis, Blood Type Anomalies And More" Maureen
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Tat_tvam_asi Member
Post Number: 1772 Registered: 04-2011
| Posted on Sunday, October 31, 2021 - 02:48 am: |
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Yes, Scott - in that far off time " The entire planet will become an arena of unparalleled suffering, which will never have existed before on the Earth up to that time ..." (CR 215:217) I do agree with you, Matt. I, too, think it is the long-skull-humans. And I, too, do not think they are our enemies: When I look at the engraved family scene of Akhenaten speaking to his young son *), his wife and their daughter, they seem to be a very loving family. I may be mistaken but I do not think that the long-skulled ETs were or will be a danger to Earth humans. *) https://theyflyblog.com/2021/10/ancient-earth-history-part-1/?fbclid=IwAR0en6tafXgen3dilCBj5TlXzjuWp1IsTgsmGswUFLQvLg4ErI9FVxfzv2Q (Scroll down) |
   
Kenneth Member
Post Number: 1372 Registered: 04-2013
| Posted on Sunday, October 31, 2021 - 10:07 am: |
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Regarding Long-skull genocide. According to Brien Foerster’s video that Maureen (Reen71b) pointed out: “…recently figured out that the end of the Paracas was caused by genocide. Some people moved in from the North and they obliterated or tried to obliterate the royal bloodline of the Paracas people and take over their land. So, this what you’re seeing is a killing field. All of these skulls were elongated, …//… evidence of blows to the head… these were simply dumped in a pile and buried in a shallow nature.”
Could this be part of the reason why the Long-skulls will no longer mingle with other cultures. Note-1: The Paracas culture was an Andean society existing between approximately 800 BCE and 100 BCE, with extensive knowledge. These Andean civilizations were complex societies of many cultures and peoples... Kenneth |
   
Newinitiation Member
Post Number: 2691 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Monday, November 01, 2021 - 01:30 am: |
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Thanks for the suggestion Maureen. I've been an avid viewer of Brien's videos for a number of years now and it's great that he is actually on site firsthand taking you to these places by foot. You learn so much from just watching. It makes you feel like you are actually there. That particular video shouted ET's at you irrespective of whether you knew about the longskulls coming from Billy. One of my favourite places that he did was Petra. I would liken the carved walls of petra very similar to our Australian blue mountain cliffs. They share such an uncanny likeness for it's razor sharp and straight cliff walls many kilometres long. Matt lee |
   
Newinitiation Member
Post Number: 2692 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Monday, November 01, 2021 - 01:40 am: |
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That's a good observation Bill. From that particular carving it appears as if these long skulls were giant in stature. This might explain why their triangle shaped UFO during the pheonix light incident back in 1997 was gigantic. How are they able to park their ship that size underground is beyond me just as the Giza intelligences were able to do. Asket showed that it was possible to go through stone walls without much difficulty. This means that you can temporarily separate the atomic structure of any material including stones without destroying it as if going through a beam of laser during rave a party. Matt lee |
   
Newinitiation Member
Post Number: 2693 Registered: 07-2005
| Posted on Monday, November 01, 2021 - 01:48 am: |
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That's a plausible theory Kenneth I wonder how a technically much superior ET race with every conceivable high tech weapon and defensive equipment at their fingertips could succumb to such primitive earthling's weapon. Were they perhaps just earth human beings who happened to have a deformed head that made them look like the Gods the primitive tribes elevated as Gods much in the same way that lamaists elevate children who they think is the reincarnation of the dalai lama? Matt lee |
   
Kenneth Member
Post Number: 1372 Registered: 04-2013
| Posted on Monday, November 01, 2021 - 08:16 am: |
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Hi Matt, All that Brien Foerster says is that some people moved in from the North and they obliterated the royal bloodline. From retrospect, In the Contact Notes it talks about the Hyperborean ETs that lived in the North. If this is what is being referred to, it would explain how the long skull Paracas people were defeated. I try to avoid conjecture as much as possible, but Mr. Foerster does not give us much more to work with as his lecture time was limited. Kenneth |
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