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    Kenneth Member Post Number: 1085 Registered: 04-2013 |
Kevin27, Welcome to the FIGU forum (Free Community of Interests Universal. German: Freie Interessengemeinschaft Universell); you will find a multitude of truthful information here. Happy studying and researching. Salome Kenneth | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3281 Registered: 12-1999 |
From Billy Meier, March 24, 2021 "What I have to say to you, Dear FIGU members, friends, acquaintances, interested persons, sympathizers and all other persons concerning the naming of the teaching in particular, is the following: The term (Spirit), which arose in the early Middle Ages, does not actually correspond to the value that should be. We use this term only because mankind has adjusted to it since the early Middle Ages, but now we want to put it slowly into the background and replace it by the value which corresponds to the correct term, and that is the value (Creation Energy). Indeed, the human consciousness does not live by a word for an unwise invented imaginary (Spirit), as it is called, but by the (Creation Energy) and its power, by which also the whole body with all its organs is animated. For this reason we are endeavoring to remove the completely wrong term slowly in the course of time everywhere in the teaching and in all writings etc. and to replace it by the correct designation, which is why we have already begun some time ago to rewrite the teaching designation as (Teaching of Truth, Teaching of the Creation Energy, Teaching of Life)." Was ich Euch, werte FIGU Mitglieder, Freunde, Bekannte, Interessierte, Sympathierende und allen sonstigen Personen bezüglich der Benennung der Lehre besonders noch zu sagen habe, ist folgendes: Der Begriff (Geist), der im frühen Mittelalter aufgekommen ist, entspricht eigentlich nicht dem Wert, der sein müsste. Wir verwenden diesen Begriff nur deshalb, weil sich die Menschheit seit dem frühen Mittelalter auf diesen eingestellt hat, wobei wir nun jedoch diesen langsam in den Hintergrund stellen und durch den Wert ersetzen wollen, der dem richtigen Begriff entspricht, und das ist der Wert (Schöpfungsenergie). Das menschliche Bewusstsein lebt nämlich nicht durch ein Wort für einen unklug erfundenen imaginären (Geist), wie er genannt wird, sondern durch die (Schöpfungsenergie) und deren Kraft, durch die auch der gesamte Körper mit all seinen Organen belebt wird. Aus diesem Grund sind wir bemüht, den völlig falschen Begriff langsam im Lauf der Zeit überall in der Lehre und in allen Schriften usw. zu entfernen und durch die richtige Bezeichnung zu ersetzen, weshalb wir bereits vor geraumer Zeit begonnen haben, die Lehrebezeichnung als (Lehre der Wahrheit, Lehre der Schöpfungsenergie, Lehre des Lebens) umzuschreiben. | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1277 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hi Scott, Thanks for the update. Quick question: Can you define the reason for changing the Key word positions? For instance, previously it was Teaching of spirit, the teaching of life, the teaching of truth. Now it is (Teaching of Truth, Teaching of the Creation Energy, Teaching of Life) as of March 29, 2021. The order of the key word were changed in their position. Just curious, why did not the Teaching of the Creation just replace the Teaching of spirit in the previous description? Salome Kenneth | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3282 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Kenneth, I checked two paragraphs from our Study Groups Website which refer to the teaching statements. In both instances they were stated in the same order as the above paragraph. In the History of Nokodemion Book by Bernadette Brand, it is also stated in the same order....If you recall, where did you see it stated in a different order? Thanks Salome Scott | ||
Ilovebilly Member Post Number: 693 Registered: 04-2011 |
I Love it straight away (Schöpfungsenergie) is a Great Symbol to meditate on i am Schöpfungsenergie WOW Thanks Scott for this important news Salome ilovebilly Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them. | ||
Matthew Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 03-2011 |
Positive news from Billy about replacing the word 'Spirit' with 'Creation Energy'. This makes sense to me and gives the term a less religious and ghostly connotation and appearance. Will this also change other related terms, such as: 'Spiritual Teaching' [Geisteslehre] to 'Creation Energy Teaching' ['Schopfungsenergielehre'?] 'Spirit-form' ["Geistform"] to 'Creation Energy-Form' [German: 'Shopfungsenergieprägung'? if related to "Energieprägung": http://dict.figu.org/glossary/de-%3Een/e?page=7, or 'Shopfungsenergieform' if transferred directly to Geistform]? Matt | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1278 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hi Scott, Wow, I performed an extensive search online and through my notes. Have absolutely no idea how my notes from years ago indicate that it was Teaching of spirit, … I am delighted that this issue was brought up for my corrected understanding of the sequence on the wording of “Teaching of Truth, Teaching of the Creation Energy, Teaching of Life.” This was an honest mistake on my part. Nonetheless, it reminds me of discussions from Billy on how grammatical errors, typos and misunderstandings have inadvertently changed some portions of the true meaning of the Spiritual Teaching. Salome Kenneth | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3283 Registered: 12-1999 |
No Problem Kenneth, I am not sure whether there is any significance to the order of the words, but perhaps in the German it may have to do with the code which Billy inserts into his writings, but that is only my guess... Salome Scott | ||
Friteeucman Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 09-2021 |
Greetings Scott, Do you know if per chance Bernadette book on Nokodemion is going to translated to English? F.e. -Ziffe a thire z da Ummi! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3419 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Friteeucman, At present I don't know if this book is or will be translated into English anytime soon. I did translate a small portion of it which is posted on our Interest Groups Website. If there is something in the book which interests you let me know and possibly I can look it up. The translation is unofficial and may contain errors. Nokodemion Timeline | ||
Friteeucman Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 09-2021 |
Thank you Scott. I’m still thinking. What does Nokodemion mean, exactly? Could it be the “Unfolding of Creation?”This would be my top “guess.” F.e. -Ziffe a thire z da Ummi! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3430 Registered: 12-1999 |
Friteeucman, From the History of Nokodemion Book, I was able to find this: Uber Nokodemion, dessen Name «Der makellos Wertvolle» bedeutet, wird im OM, Kanon 33, Vers 54, folgendes gesagt: «Doch sie unterordneten sich dem Haupte der Tage, dem Weisen der Weisen, Nokodemjon, der da sitzt durch die Kräfte der Schöpfung, so also durch ihre Gesetze und Gebote auf der Bescheidenheit seines Thrones der Weisheit.» About Nokodemion, whose name means "The Flawless Valuable One," the following is said in OM, Canon 33, verse 54: "Yet they submitted themselves to the Head of Days, the wise of wise ones, Nokodemjon, who by the powers of Creation, so thus by Its laws and recommendations, sits on the modesty of his throne of wisdom." Scott This isn't an exact translation | ||
Friteeucman Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 09-2021 |
Exciting! Humbling... The “flawless valuable one.” Very cool. F.e. -Ziffe a thire z da Ummi! | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2662 Registered: 07-2005 |
Have any of you members ever come across anything in the FIGU material about how a higher spiritform from Arahat Athersata to Petale and all levels in between in their seven fold stages learn in the beyond? Other than age, experience, love, wisdom, swinging wave, knowledge, power and many other attributes, in what exact way and fashion does Petale differ from Arahat Athersata? What exactly is in the beyond and what is it exactly that Creation has provided for the spiritual plane from Arahat Athersata to the Petale in order for them to be able to learn continuously in their spiritual non material sphere in the beyond? Is it first come first serve in the beyond meaning the spiritform that entered the spiritual plane first cannot be superceded in knowledge and development by a latecomer because unlike the material coarse matter plane where effort and the level of striving is the determining factor, the spiritual plane may have its set of unique Creation bound laws that prevent a spiritform from learning faster than another spiritform that have entered that level before it? Matt lee | ||
Norms Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 12-2019 |
@Scott, Regarding the Nokodemion Timeline Consider removing the un-needed bolded word: Under heading "9,503,300,000 years ago:" The process of the multiple returns of the Nokodemion Spirit (Creation Energy) form became possible in the first place, was due to the decision of the pure Spirit (Creation Energy) level, (Arahat Athersata), and the highest pure Spirit (Creation Energy) Level, (Petale), to create the universal prophecy with which this special Spirit (Creation Energy) form was entrusted. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3437 Registered: 12-1999 |
Norms, Let me take a look at it.. Thanks Scott | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 144 Registered: 04-2020 |
Kenneth:"I presume that this Eocene (Ida) lifeform would have an instinct consciousness rather than a conscious-consciousness spiritform? If that is true, at what stage of developments would this lifeform receive a conscious-consciousness awareness of unique thoughts, memories, feelings, sensations, environments etc." Early pre-human life-forms on developing planets must evolve physically to reach a certain stage in their evolution to be able to anchor the spirit-form in much the same way that the human fetus must develop far enough along in the womb before it, too, can receive and anchor a spirit-form; namely, the development of psyche tissue. After procreation, the fertilized egg grows in the womb, until the tissue of the psyche has formed and developed to the extent that the spirit-form can take root in it. This process usually lasts 21 days, during which time the body is animated only by a spirit "force" that moves in the still imperfect psyche tissue, just like with plants and animals. This spirit force is not capable of evolution or reason, which is why animals and plants cannot develop rationally either. By the 21st day, the nature of the psyche tissue has developed far enough along that it can be inhabited by the spirit-form and thus capable of evolution. Consciousness also begins in the being, with a fully functioning psyche. It is only after this point that the fetus can be considered an actual human. Through the nerves, man perceives all the environment within and without. And the nerves are the carriers and holders of an even finer tissue, which is still invisible to man, which in itself forms a "being", namely the "psychic being". This tissue branches along the nerve tracts and is integrated into them and perceives all fine material that is inside and outside of the human being so it can also feel all fine painful and pleasant impressions. This psychic being is formed in such a way that it is strongly centered at certain important points, as for example in the chest center and in the brain of the human, particularly around the pineal gland. The center of feeling lies precisely in the cross between the two nipples and the navel line. This psychic tissue concentration at this point is decisive for the human to feel sensations that move the consciousness; manifest anxiety or joy, horror or fear. The psyche being tissue, however, is connected with the realm of the spirit-form in the sense that the tissue acts like an antenna and can also receive everything subtle from the spiritual spheres. The spirit itself has its seat in the head of the human being, in the center of the brain and nerve centers. It spreads over the finest of fine, invisible fabric arms from the psyche tissue, and over the entire body. As a result, the finer and more noble always floats above the grosser, so the spirit above the material consciousness, and the psyche above the body to which it is miraculously linked. If a limb of the body were to be lost, such as a severed arm, the spirit energy quickly withdraws without affect; however, the psyche tissue will be lost with the nerves that were in the arm and will have a negative effect; thereafter, for the remaining psychic being. From Existing Life in the Universe, by Billy Meier, pages 234-235 Regards Bob | ||
Matcha Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 02-2021 |
Thanks for that, Bob. The teaching saying there are no chakras, I have always wondered about the area in the centre of the chest which can be clearly felt. Very instructive. Thanks, again. Chris Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures. | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 321 Registered: 03-2007 |
"As a result, the finer and more noble always floats above the grosser, so the spirit above the material consciousness, and the psyche above the body to which it is miraculously linked." Bob, Can you explain in a more simple way of what I posted above means? It sounds like some sort of halo effect. I'm clueless to what that is supposed mean. Thanks | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1387 Registered: 08-2010 |
Phi_spiral Bob, I'm hoping you may have some insights to the following. When someone yells; "watch out!" We tend to cover the head with our arms. Why is this? In connection to this, I am wondering about how we actually see the world around us. Connected to our eyes are the optic nerve, so in a sense, if I have imagined the following correctly, what we "see" is actually a hologram of sorts, a visual representation recreated inside the brain. What connection does the incarnating consciousness block (personality) have with the end point of the optic nerve, where we "see" what we are looking at, or rather, the movie screen within in which we view the outside world? When time permits you my friend. Thank you. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1349 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hi Bob, (Phi_spiral), Thank you very much for all the effort in providing this invaluable information. Years ago, when I first became aware of the Teaching, from retrospect I recall Billy saying that certain animal lifeforms evolve into human beings. This is not word for word, but the gist of the statement is there. I was baffled by this statement as in the Contact Reports Billy states that human spiritforms cannot incarnate into animals and vice versa. Your Post Number: 144 was the missing puzzle piece! Thank you Kenneth | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 04-2020 |
Matcha: "The teaching saying there are no chakras, I have always wondered about the area in the centre of the chest which can be clearly felt." It's good that you brought that up, Chris, and I would like to take this opportunity to clear up some misunderstanding. I have observed at least three teaching methodologies employed by Billy: 1) Repeat, repeat, repeat. This pretty much speaks for itself. 2) The Socratic Method. such as "the kitchen table" conversations, and 3) "Empty your cup, so that it may be filled." This third one is lesser used and most misunderstood. For those who have studied some Eastern philosophy, it will be recognized as an old Chinese proverb and will know what it means. It is a fact that as we grow up we learn by association and that the brain stores new information by comparing it to old. Our mind slowly creates a paradigm of what is to be held as true and it wants to process new information so that it fits into that paradigm. This becomes a problem when we encounter the Meier material with all its' richness and discover that almost everything that we thought was true has been bastardized in one form or another. So a paradigm shift is in order; we must empty our cups, so that we may fill them. An example of Billy using this method is saying that Jesus never existed. We know, however, that the person that the mythology of Jesus was based on, did exist and that his name was Jmmanuel. But rather than deal with all the religious baggage attached to that image, it is better to empty the cup and start over. So it seems to me that Billy has used the same teaching technique with regards to "chakras". Billy does acknowledge that there are special points in the body upon which the present idea of chakras are based, but over long periods of time, their correctness has been lost. Chakras, as they are thought of today and taught, don't exist in real life. The true chakra teaching is the highest form of meditation (Sohar transcendence method), where the chakras are special concentration points fixed at certain points of the body.  1.  2. 1. The figure on the left shows the original meditation concentration points (chakras), to which the individual chakra symbols are assigned, schematically transferred to the body. The illustration shows the assignment of the seven chakras or points of concentration to the body organs with indication of the correct number of spokes. 2. The figure on the right shows a falsified form of chakra points with 10 secondary chakras, whereby the number of wheel spokes is incorrect and drops up to three. Source: Diversikum by Guido Moosbrugger, page 250 There are a total of 786 acupuncture points distributed in the human body, according to Ouetzal at the 216th contact. The Chinese did not develop acupuncture themselves, but took it over from other sources and only 672 acupuncture points are known to them. Originally it was researched and developed by Henok. Regards Bob | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 04-2020 |
"As a result, the finer and more noble always floats above the grosser, so the spirit above the material consciousness, and the psyche above the body to which it is miraculously linked." Hi Schantz This is referring to the vibrational density. The best example I can think of is how helium, one of the six noble gases, when filled into a balloon, will float and rise above all the other gases in the atmosphere. Regards Bob |
