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    Piyali Member Post Number: 195 Registered: 08-2012 |
Salome Eddies, with regard to your post number 1415: The Overall Consciousness-block, has its own storage bank, because it contains the worked out information of all previous consciousnesses/personalities via all the previous reincarnations of that respective Creation-energy form. When a new consciousness-block is created by the OCB, it programs the new consciousness-block with all the information of all past and current lived and worked out knowledge and this process takes a long time. I own my words as they were not directed with any "insult" at you. There is no question of "insulting" anyone, so if you feel this emotion, it is as much on you and has nothing to do with me, just as thinking your words were "glib" and "sarcastic" is on me. Thank you for your responses and Salome. I am sure someone more knowing will answer our questions. Be at peace and be well. Salome Piyali | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 196 Registered: 08-2012 |
Salome moderators, if allowed, then here is a great video on the OCB made by FIGU Canada and they too know what they are talking about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4A8tnxYc6I&t=6s Perhaps it will shed more light on this subject matter which is not easy to understand and impossible to explain with so many words, but BEAM has patiently explained, I shared a short gist here and gave the page numbers of the book from which I have learned so much as well, in my previous post. Thank you. Salome Piyali | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 197 Registered: 08-2012 |
Oops, I meant to write, "Salome Eddie" - completely unintentional error. Salome and love. Salome Piyali | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1416 Registered: 08-2010 |
Salome Piyali, I think it has all been cleared up now. My original post and comment about the OCB and the lack of information, was because I was always under the impression that since the Spirit-form created the OCB, then it was naturally part of the Spirit-form, much like the Gemut is part of the Spirit-form. I viewed the video and in it is missing information (clarification) of what exactly is the OCB and its connection (or unconnectedness) to the Spirit-form. NOTE: Time Stamp 4:53 clearly shows that the spiritform AND overall consciousness-block TOGETHER return to the "Fine Material Realm". QUESTION: So is the OCB, much like the Gemut, a part of the spiritform? Or does the OCB exist somewhere around the planet? ...or it exists somewhere outside the spiritform itself? Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 198 Registered: 08-2012 |
Salome and thank you dear Eddie. Yes, I think all of us who are studying this, have questions. I do too. Today, when studying with my German FIGU friend - I study with her twice a week for about an hour each time - she pointed out that on page page 1 and then again on page 120 of the book, "Wiedergeburt, Leben, Sterben, Tod und Trauer", it is written what Michael does his best to explain this complex subject matter to us in the video and which you point out again in your post. However, when I pointed out that the information is written differently in the other book I wrote about in my posts, she looked at the dates of when the books were published and this book "Wiedergeburt, Leben, Sterben, Tod und Trauer", was published in 2003 and I have the same copy only in German for now and I look forward to the translated book as well from FIGU Canada, whereas the other book, "Rund um die Fuidalenergie, resp. Fluidalkräfte, Fragen und Antworten", was published in 2007, if my memory serves me correctly. I'll re-check it later. So she wondered if the information has been updated in the Fluidalenergie book and I wondered if I have understood the whole thing correctly or incorrectly? We had a great discussion and everything was the same in both books except for the fact that now we are both wondering whether the OCB remains in the otherworldly realm or incarnates as a new consciousness-block with the reincarnating Creation-energy form. I have formulated my questions as best I can after that discussion and asked Christian again and I have no doubt that we will receive the answers when the time is right. In the meantime, I stand by my gist because the repetition in the Fluidalenergie book is in my head, but I stand by it with an open mind and with eagerness to learn more from the clarification that will be given to us. Have a good night. Salome Piyali | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1417 Registered: 08-2010 |
Salome Piyali, Your inquiry to Christian will be good because the answer(s) will be great contribution to the information in the YouTube presentation... as well as our collective understanding. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 159 Registered: 04-2020 |
Matcha (Chris) from Post 32, Nov 11 in this discussion thread: "Where does the word love fit in here? Does, say, a two-month-old baby know no love, or is it an expression of universal love?" So Creation creates the creative Sevenness with the seven forms of spirit energy in itself and the seven forms of gross matter outside of itself, that is, in the material universe. Each unit forms for itself a 100% unit, but together they form a so-called hyper unit. Each unit consists in itself of 100% negative and 100% positive. Together they form an all-embracing unity. The values of the spirit-energy and material Sevenness are divided according to the creational teaching as follows:  Universal Love (Spirit-energetical Sevenness) Universal love is the highest form of love that can exist in a universe. It is all-encompassing, that is, it emanates through everything and through all time as a solitary uniform love swinging wave and is alive in everything that exists in the universe. So there are no differences in the aloneness. The love of the Creation universal consciousness is to be understood in such a way that in it a purely by impulses working and completely neutral-balanced creative-spiritual-energy state prevails, which is 100% negative and positive each, whereby an absolute harmony is formed. Consequently, in the creation universal consciousness all necessary harmonic factors exist for the impulsive formation of neutral creative-natural laws and commandments. Life Love (Material Sevenness) (life love of materially bound forms of life; i.e., mother/child, life partners, etc.) Genesis, pages 220-222 and 227): "The 'life love' is the unified and unlimited harmony in alignment with all things and all life. This means love without limitation, as a uniform harmony-creating factor, must pulse through everything. Love, however, means the equal recognition of all things, life forms, existences and factors etc. in effective truth, their effective truthful understanding, the recognition of their Gemüt, the grasping of their true existence as a factor of creation and in their radiating of balanced Gemüt-feeling swinging waves." "Love is the result of a creative evolution of consciousness in balance to the equidirectional recognition, cognition and evaluation of all things." In an answer to a question about life-love in the material appearing in FIGU Bulletin 69, Billy explained that when a person dies, then each of his created forms of love and their strength / depth are transferred collectively into all subsequent lives of all successor personalities. But this must be understood in such a way that the personality does not take these forms of love and their strength / depth with it into the next life, but that they are deposited solely in the memory banks. If a person dies, then in death his consciousness and his personality are also extinguished, consequently these do not reincarnate or cannot be reborn. The consciousness and the personality are dissolved from the otherworldly total consciousness block into pure neutral energy, from which a new consciousness block with a new consciousness and with a new personality is created. This completely new personality and the new consciousness, which no longer have anything to do with the deceased old consciousness and the old personality, are then the ones who are born resp. to be incarnated. So there is no reincarnation resp. no rebirth, because this is reserved solely for the spirit form, which reincarnates into a new human body when a new block of consciousness with a new consciousness and a new personality is born. Since the new consciousness and its new personality are no longer identical with the old consciousness and the old personality, but are completely new and unencumbered by the old, they are also not endowed with old forms of love, because these are only stored in the memory banks in an impulse-like manner. The new consciousness and the new personality are therefore completely unencumbered by things from the previous life of the previous personality when they are born. This ensures that, for example, a love relationship does not play into a mother-child relationship. Each form of love is only preserved separately in terms of memory banks, so it can only break through in later personalities if the corresponding love form is appropriate and is called up again from the memory banks, which is usually done by the subconscious when the corresponding situation occurs. Regards Bob  Original German of chart above as it appears on page 100, Diversikum by Guido Moosburger | ||
Matcha Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 02-2021 |
Bob, Phi- spiral, Thank you very much for your detailed reply which covers more than I had anticipated. I guess my question was not clear enough, because what I thought I was really asking was (and perhaps I should have directed it to Patm) how love relates to the areas within the Consciousness Spheres diagram. For example, presumably "affective love" belongs in the "feelings" section, whereas "devine Creation love" would not. Presumably, that would belong in the Creational consciousness side; but all of that side? Furthermore, what love is within the psyche section, the material subconsciousness, material central consciousness, the fluidal feelings and the gemut sections? Can you help out here, Pat? A reply at your convenience would be appreciated. And, thank you again Bob, for taking the time to give such a detailed reply. Chris Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 917 Registered: 07-2006 |
Billy explains the difference between 'true love' and 'being in love' in the article (question/answer) 'True love and being in love, both terms do not have the precise same significance. What is the difference, and what is therewith meant, that in the being in love something can be destroyed? (Wahre Liebe und Verliebtsein, beide Begriffe haben nicht die genau gleiche Bedeutung. Was ist der Unterschied, und was ist damit gemeint, dass im Verliebtsein etwas zerstört werden kann?) on page 138 of his book 'Teaching script for the Teaching of the Truth, Teaching of the Creation-energy (Spirit), Teaching of the Life (Lehrschrift für die Lehre der Wahrheit, Lehre des Geistes, Lehre des Lebens). "When something from out of the being in love is destroyed, then that arises from out of Ausartung things, etc.; which however in and of itself has nothing to do with the true love, which arises from out of the fine-spiritual perception from the Gemüt realm, of the spiritual realm. Being in love is a purely thought-feeling-based love form, which is referred to as feeling love. Thus the being in love therefore has nothing to do with real and true love, but rather solely and exclusively with thought-feeling-based impulsations, therefore with a feeling-based love. That means, this love arises from the thoughts and feelings. Such a love is always directed on specialness, that the one human being with the other sees, embraces and perceives, e.g. the physiognomy, the physical/material proportions, the beauty or ugliness or what it precisely always is. It can be the movements, that the human being makes, or his/her way of talking, the dialect or the money, the goods and chattels, a house, a distinct hobby or a distinct profession, etc., and so forth. These things lead then thereto, that such a feeling-based love is not durable and has no future, but rather sooner or later again falls apart. Wenn etwas aus dem Verliebtsein heraus zerstört wird, dann entsteht das aus Ausartungen usw. heraus; das aber hat an und für sich nichts mit der wahren Liebe zu tun, die aus der Empfindung aus dem Gemütsbereich, aus dem geistigen Bereich heraus entsteht. Verliebtsein ist eine rein gedanklich-gefühlsmässige Liebeform, die als Gefühlsliebe bezeichnet wird. So hat das Verliebtsein also nichts mit wirklicher und wahrer Liebe zu tun, sondern einzig und allein mit gedanklich-gefühlsmässigen Regungen, also mit einer gefühlsmässigen Liebe. Das heisst, diese Liebe entsteht aus den Gedanken und Gefühlen heraus. Eine solche Liebe ist immer auf Besonderheiten ausgerichtet, die der eine Mensch beim anderen sieht, erfasst und wahrnimmt, z.B. die Physiognomie, die körperlichen Proportionen, die Schönheit oder Hässlichkeit oder was es eben immer ist. Es können die Bewegungen sein, die der Mensch macht, oder seine Redensweise, der Dialekt oder das Geld, das Hab und Gut, ein Haus, ein bestimmtes Hobby oder ein bestimmter Beruf usw. usf. Diese Dinge führen dann dazu, dass eine solche gefühlsmässige Liebe nicht haltbar ist und keine Zukunft hat, sondern früher oder später wieder auseinandergeht." Hope this helps PatM | ||
Matcha Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 02-2021 |
Thank you for this Patm. So "true love" goes in the gemut section of the diagram and "being in love" goes along with "affected love" in the feelings section. Chris Peace in wisdom be on Earth and among all creatures. | ||
Acriasis Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 08-2012 |
The spirit of the sky, as your authentic self transforming the true you, enlivening you into peacefulness and cheerfulness daily, resting in the beauty of the knowledge of the Creation, in the wisdom to have even existed at all, out of the love one shared within the infinite that one was created from love, there in the vast expanse of the cosmos, to seek out true knowledge and expand ones consciousness, along your destined path in life. Each path different than before, in each reality of exsistence, all creating , all knowing, that each lifetime was meaningful, to expand the whole of everything a small amount further, as we advance in this Aquarius age of knowledge, becoming more than we ever thought possible in the here and now, year after year, advancing human consciousness further towards the ultimate goal of rejoining with that love from which we came from, the all knowing universal consciousness of Creation in all that we as human beings truly are, and shall truly be. <3  In truth, in love, in peace, I will strive to do the most good, and help wherever I can, as I consciously evolve in this life of knowledge. | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 203 Registered: 08-2012 |
Salome friends, In case you have not already seen it on the website of FIGU Canada, here is the explanations about the Overall Consciousness-block, by Christian Frehner, Switzerland; profoundly edited by Billy; official and approved translation by Michael Uyttebroek of FIGU-Canada. Hopefully this will clarify our confusions. https://nebula.wsimg.com/722ad8990155c79be4ad98227c778486?AccessKeyId=C0F879B9BB56750BC6EE&disposition=0&alloworigin=1 Salome Piyali | ||
Niko_sulonen Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 11-2008 |
Thank you Piyali for sharing. It was a good read. Salome, Niko | ||
Piyali Member Post Number: 204 Registered: 08-2012 |
Salome Niko, you are most welcome. Salome Piyali | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 981 Registered: 12-2011 |
Hi Scott Just watched a documentary on book of Daniel, apparently it foretold all the wars and the coming of Jesus , what does Billy think of that. He has deciphered the Bible. joe | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3544 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Joe, I don't know what Billy thinks, but the teaching does state there was no "Jesus". Also if you read towards the bottom of CR 725 you will find how portions of the Bible were re-written from the original OM Teachings, which Billy was able to access and correctly state the original teachings as they were intended to be...from that it may be assumed, that many of the other passages within the Bible were also distorted to suit the intentions of the writer...in my opinion.. | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 505 Registered: 05-2004 |
It is said that the creation-energy-form within each human being will eventually evolve, after millions of years, to return to Creation. Before this event the creation-energy-form (spirit-form) reaches a point where it no longer needs a material body and becomes a half-spirit body, living this way "for another 60-80 million years and in such high spheres that one can no longer get in contact with it from the purely material-human" world, "unless there is a very high level of consciousness-based and spiritual evolution". The half-spirit then "transforms into the first pure-spirit-form and enters the level of Arahat Athersata", which is the level of evolution of Billy's spirit-form. There is something in all of this, as far as I am aware, that has never been discussed. How does our world change as we evolve as humans? The world is part of Creation too, and though it is a coarse material world, it must still evolve as we evolve while embodying the coarse material human body. I used to think a planet evolves with its inhabitants, becoming less materially coarse as we become more evolved in consciousness. When I think of that now and look back 2000 years, though we have certainly evolved as humans, I believe the world is much the same. But is it more the case that the more evolved we become, a time will arrive when we must leave our home planet to find a more suitable one for our level of evolution? Or is it that we will outlive our world and be forced to look for a new world on a higher plane? But even then, the more evolved we become, the more we will "out-evolve" the world we live on. So how does this change happen that will allow us to live in harmony with our home planet? For example, the Plejaren's home-world, Erra. Is Erra no more evolved than Earth as a planet? I know humans can't live there, but that's because of the Plejaren's high level of evolution. Let's imagine they all decided to leave their world. It's still inhabitable, it still has millions of years to go. Can Earth humans live there if Plejarens weren't reincarnating on it? Or is the planet itself too evolved for Earth humans to reincarnate on it? How does an entire population of human beings evolve to half-spirit-material level of evolution? Surely the world they live on is not purely coarse material? How does the transition occur from coarse material world to half-material world if the world we live on does not evolve as we evolve? | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1535 Registered: 08-2010 |
Joseph, As I understand it currently; Our swinging waves, as we learn about them in the Goblet, not only affect the people of the planet, but also all of fauna and flora. It's amazing just how much our consciousness power can affect everything around us. Personally, I don't see the logic in that our evolution would somehow impact the planet and somehow turn it into a half energetical sphere. I'm sure their swinging waves would cause all fauna and flora to resonate and be especially beautiful, vibrant and healthy (we can do this (experiment) with everyday house plants to see the extent to which our consciousness can impact plants). An entire planet population evolves to the half-course material because everyone is educated and evolved in cognitions nearly equally on the planet because the educational systems make knowledge and wisdom easily available and it is likely a better part of everyone's character, personality and life. Also; All course material is subject to the creational law of the becoming and passing... so it isn't logical that a planet "evolves" into a half-course material... this is reserved for the Omedam wesen only. (As I currently understand it) Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 506 Registered: 05-2004 |
Eddie I don't see how a planet could evolve to half-material either. But then it does evolve from gas to liquid to rock, and even these coarse materials evolved from fine material energy. The only thing that seems to make such evolution impossible is the fact that humans are subject to a conscious-consciousness evolution, while this isn't the case with a planet, for obvious reasons. And that's fine, but none of it explains how humans evolve to half-spirit half material bodies while inhabiting a coarse material planet? At what stage do they say "We need to move to another planet that is able to accommodate our evolution?" Of course I understand that isn't how it happens. I don't think so anyway. But the change must still occur. Humans with a half-spirit half-material body must live on a half-creational-energy half-material planet. I also understand that such a change is a transition that occurs over thousands of years. But I'm trying to picture it in my mind how a human being transitions from a coarse-creational-energy planet to a half-creational-energy planet. You said: "An entire planet population evolves to the half-course material because everyone is educated and evolved in cognitions nearly equally on the planet". Would they still be living on a coarse-material planet? Or do you think it is more likely that the entire population would decrease until there is no one living on a coarse-material planet, and their spirit-forms would subsequently reincarnate on a half-creational-energy planet? | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1536 Registered: 08-2010 |
Joseph, Since evolution takes us to the half course material, then logic would stipulate that we can still exist on a course material planet. According to the teaching of the truth, there is no half material half spiritual planet as this is not logical and against creational laws. As I understand it perceptively, evolution of the consciousness and our spirit appears to draw us towards eventually merging with Creation at the level of the Petale and then beyond towards the Absolute Absolutum. As our consciousness evolution expands, so does the power and energy of the spirit and so the spirit itself transforms the material body into higher and higher states until it absorbs (dissolves) the body entirely and enters the Arahat Athersata. The half material people do not have offspring, neither do they die and reincarnate. Billy has said that these people are translucent. Must be quite an experience for the Plejaren to interact with the half course people. They get to see what we eventually evolve to. No wonder the Plejaren take their consciousness evolution so seriously. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 978 Registered: 07-2006 |
Regarding the "High Council" (half-creation-energy/half-material "We-forms") realm of existence in the Andromeda-Region, see: https://creationaltruth.org/FIGU/UFOlogy/The-Plejaren/Plejaren-Government This will likely be the place all creation-energy forms will reside while in the "High Council", including ours. Hope this helps, PatM | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 508 Registered: 05-2004 |
Eddie, I was going to end this, thinking "Okay, that kind of answers my question". But then I decided to do a search for the the half-spirit people on The Future of Mankind site and I found this under the heading Arahat Athersata from Contact Report 3. 41. [The spirit-form] then lives only in half-material form for an additional 60 to 80 billion years and in such lofty spheres that we can no longer communicate with it from the purely material human level, except when there exists a very high consciousness-related and spiritual level of evolution. You said: "Since evolution takes us to the half course material, then logic would stipulate that we can still exist on a course material planet. According to the teaching of the truth, there is no half material half spiritual planet as this is not logical and against creational laws." Your comment seems to conflict somewhat with the above paragraph and raises more questions. To be clear, I'm not trying to suggest that a planet evolves to half-material like a human being. I'm just trying to understand if a planet goes through an evolutionary process as humans evolve to half-spirit. Now you have said, "Since evolution takes us to the half course material, then logic would stipulate that we can still exist on a course material planet". This suggests that when we master space travel in the distant future we could likely come upon a planet whose inhabitants are half-spirit half-material people. Yet in CR3 it says, the half-spirit-form half-material form lives "in such lofty spheres that we can no longer communicate with it from the purely material human level". Given that their home-world is purely coarse material, how do they interact with it? Or do they not need to? Also, should earth humans in the distant future come upon such a planet, who are still not sufficiently evolved to communicate with the inhabitants, this would mean they would not be able to see them, in which case the planet would appear uninhabited to them, would it not? Could humans not then populate the half-spirit peoples' world, because it is, after all, a coarse material planet? I understand that if that is possible, then reincarnation for those future earth humans would not happen on that planet because of the evolutionary difference between earth humans and the half-spirit people. Or would that not be an issue as the half-spirit people, who neither die nor reincarnate, live in "such lofty spheres"?} There's an answer here somewhere and I haven't quite latched onto it. | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 509 Registered: 05-2004 |
PatM Are you saying that when a human being reaches the level of evolution where it transitions to half-creation-energy half-material-form, the spirit-form will migrate to the Andromeda region and join the High Council? |
