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    Endurance New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2022 |
Hi everyone, long time lurker of the forum (10+ years). I finally decided to register and wanted to respond to you Michael. You’re doing an awesome job getting the word out. I can understand your frustration from your perspective why more people simply do not study and learn from the incredible Meier material. The thing is though in my experience from talking to my friends and subtly suggesting checking out the material, they are simply completely uninterested in finding out about the truth themselves. I’ve been shot down time and time again and have changed my attitude towards the situation. One simply cannot inspire people if there is no interest in the matter. In my opinion everything is already readily available. Anyone who has an internet can find out the truth for themselves super easily IF there is interest in the matter. We are very young, stupid and 30 million years behind the Plejaren in spiritual development, plagued by religious belief, no wonder very few are interested in the truth. Lead by setting an example is my motto, I have many of the Meier books in my bookshelf and if someone is curious I will gladly point them in the right direction but I will never ever preach anything to anyone. There has to be interest from the people who want to learn, it is not my place to preach as has been done in the past with all world religion. Change has to come from the individual themselves, and in my opinion everything is already easily available for anyone who is interested and wants to learn. Great websites like FIGU, Futureofmankind, theyfly, already do an amazing job with up to date information and promote self-studying. Now diving into your question “what will you do?” Here is my suggestion helping people getting inspired. How about posting study group discussions on youtube? I’m not part of any group yet but that would surely spark more interest. People meeting on discord, discussing a subject and posting it on youtube for anyone interested to find. I personally love the youtube videos by the Canadian study group. Very informative, I recently watched the one about fluidial forces which was very interesting since I haven’t read the particular book myself yet. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 1583 Registered: 07-2009 |
Hi Endurance, Thanks for your response. Of course we're not about missionizing, proselytizing, etc., and, while many people can find the out the truth for themselves if interested...not everyone knows where to look, what to search for, etc. Lots of people won't/don't search for UFO information to find the truth, which isn't just about UFOs. And the majority of those who are searching. UFOlogy are hardly looking for the truth. They're looking for...entertainment, titillation, antidotes to their boredom, etc. So, how is it that I am contacted by people, as far from me as Mongolia, China, Scandinavia, South Africa, etc.? I would say that it's because we relentlessly make the information available, show its connection to real-world events and issues, etc. That means that some people who are interested in UFOs discover it too, often much to their surprise. The Internet term about things "going viral" also shows that sometimes even improbably things can get widely disseminated. Considering what's at stake - our future survival - what concerned person wouldn't want to throw some direct energy and effort into helping the effort to inform people, including those who won't even know they're looking for the truth - although they may be ready for it - until they do come across it, accidentally or otherwise? Now, with my access to my FB account apparently being blocked it's harder for me to reach the people there. You can feel free to contact study groups and see if they're willing to post those discussions, although privacy issues, the need for editing, etc., etc., would have to be considered. But there's an abundance of existing information, videos, etc., from the Canadiangroup, FIGU, Billy Meier's Books and me that anyone is free to also disseminate. One thing I suggest to people who want to help but don't want get in arguments, etc., is to take a blog article where we document Meier's prophetic accuracy and simply send it to people who might possibly be interested in it and the question that would accompany it: "How could this man know all this BEFORE "official sources" and everyone else?" | ||
Reen71b Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 09-2020 |
I myself would be interested in a discord group. It's not that easy to search and find one without already knowing the link to get to one. Endurance, I just recently joined this site mid last year I believe. I'd been lurking since 2003. I myself have to be careful about putting myself out there as I work for a law enforcement agency and they're all about the agency's image. We're always reminded on how we conduct ourselves out of work. Not to mention that I'm in Florida and this is part of the "bible belt". The only thing I can really do is educate myself and live by the teachings and setting an example. Most times, I feel at a loss of what to do without compromising my employment. Maureen | ||
Hendrikus1970 Member Post Number: 122 Registered: 04-2009 |
Endurance is that a name or word ? And how can you been lurking for more then 10 years ? This forum is only visible for registered members Its not that im saying your lying. Other thing i like to ad is that soon all that speak the truth on social media or websites wil be banned and blocked. Also the BEAM case ,as i said many times before. The dark forces are already working on replacing the prophet of this times,like they also did the 6 times before. Maybe the Ps can shed a light on that problem | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1461 Registered: 08-2010 |
To Reen71b (Quote) The only thing I can really do is educate myself and live by the teachings and setting an example. I agree 100%. Avoiding the dangers and pitfalls, such as compromising your employment, is sound and logical; exactly what the Goblet of the Truth expounds on. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1462 Registered: 08-2010 |
Re; Nokodemion Spiritual Teaching Peoples Is there any information about the future efforts of the Nokodemion Peoples? How are they to organize and work collaboratively? How is Nokodemion's concept applied? I'm wondering if Billy has written about it? Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 04-2020 |
Hi Eddie At one point FIGU was to build another center in the US similar to the one in Switzerland, but in Munds Park south of Flagstaff, Arizona. It would serve in a way as a community of like-minded folk who are conscientiously following the creational teachings and to keep the teaching alive through troubled times. From Contact Report 423 - Billy: Munds Park respectively Flagstaff. I have something to ask about that, if you know about the thing that happened when Elsi was sent to the USA. Ptaah: 6. Of course I am informed about it, because Quetzal, my daughter Semjase and I worked out a plan at that time, which was related to the realization of a branch of FIGU in the area you mentioned. 7. My daughter and Quetzal explained to you that you should instruct Elsi to travel to the USA and find a suitable place and enough land in the area of Munds Park respectively Flagstaff to build the FIGU branch office on. 8. In fact, with the help of Brit and Lee Elders, she also found a suitable area, but due to quarrels and difficulties within the group, as well as difficulties revealed in the USA regarding the disregard for truth and human rights etc., the project had to be dropped. Billy: Yes, this is exactly the issue I want to raise and ask if this project could not be reconsidered after all? Also a question goes there, why was that area chosen by you at that time? Today, due to the influence of W. M., there is a place in Oklahoma where some people of FIGU-USA have settled. What about it? Ptaah: 9. The area (Munds Park, AZ) was chosen and designated because it was really the only safe place for the mission to build a FIGU office. 10. And to your question whether the project could be reconsidered, I have to say that this is no longer possible for the core group of the mother centre. 11. Nevertheless, FIGU-USA could take up the whole thing again if its members finally develop into a true FIGU community, which is now to be hoped for since everything has been reorganized with your help and promises progress and good things. 12. It would be extremely gratifying and desirable if everything would be put in order and everything would be organized according to the FIGU rules. 13. Then the above-mentioned area could actually be used for a US FIGU centre, which would be the most suitable in terms of security and everything else necessary for the fulfilment of the mission. 14. The fundamental condition, however, is, and I want to mention this again clearly and unambiguously, that FIGU-USA now really develops within the framework of what is worthy of a FIGU grouping and thus corresponds to what is stipulated by the core group of 49 in the parent centre. 15. But as I already explained, the acquisition of land and the development of a centre in the area of Munds Park or Flagstaff, which we selected and proposed, would no longer be the responsibility of the core group of the parent centre, but would be handled by FIGU-USA. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_423 I read a report done a couple of years ago generated by climatologists from which future maps illustrating the projected negative impact of climate change would be for the entire country. Pretty scary. The map below is a different map posted in the New York Times that depicts conditions even now because of the climate change over the last couple of decades. It shows most of the west suffering from drought and water stress except for a swath of land in the central part of Arizona and California shown in light red. The map that I saw, which was projected 100 years from now, showed those same swaths of land as half this size. So all the other bad events in the prophecies aside for the moment, these climate change events alone are a forgone conclusion and reason enough to pay heed to what Ptaah was warning about a safe place to live and form community.  In the future with so many unknowns, particularly with regards to communication and the availability of the internet it is hard to say how the Nokodemion People will be able to find each other to reconnect without a pre-existing center to act like an anchor. I remember reading that the Plejarens allowed photographs of the saucer shaped Beamship purposely and was preferable as a visual trigger over the larger more unusual ships. The Plejarens are aware that a great number of people on Earth have lived previous lives where the Beamship technology was used. For many, the sight of the Beamship may actually seem familiar and stir some old memories - if only subconsciously. Thus the saucer shape design will seem non-threatening and comfortable to most of us. It also adorns the front cover of almost all of the FIGU books - presumably for the same reason. To the right is the creational teaching symbol for PROPHECY (Prophezeiung).   A spirit-form will re-embody amongst folks closest to its' level of development and with mindful intent, Billy has written, one can also influence other conditions of their rebirth. If one wanted to better assure that they find the teachings again and re-connect with other Nokodemion folk in a community they might want to consider getting their bones to Munds Park and planting them there in this lifetime while the memory is still fresh and resources available. But naturally, of course, to get there to help in the building of a centre in the first place. Michael Horn probably knows more about that than anyone. In other countries, the various FIGU-Landesgruppes will factor prominently. Bob | ||
Friteeucman Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 09-2021 |
Although, personally my mission is set…  da Kjybevol Coordinates:Reverberation Quetzel; C.r. 150, sec. 101: “A new people must be established.” -Ziffe a thire z da Ummi! | ||
Friteeucman Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 09-2021 |
Very cool! da Kjybevol Coordinates:Reverberation Quetzel; C.r. 150, sec. 101: “A new people must be established.” -Ziffe a thire z da Ummi! | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1463 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Bob, Thanks for sharing that information in your post. Interestingly, when I learned about the Nokodemion Peoples, and then later learned more about it from Quetzal and Ptaah, it has stuck in my mind that what Earth needs is the coordinated efforts of the concept first instituted by Nokodemion. Not sure where I read it, but I read in a contact where Ptaah explained, in 1975 I think, that extraterrestrials were coming to Earth who would make their presence known, at the turn of the new millennium, if the population turned to the spiritual (creation-energy) teaching. The reasoning is that this particular extraterrestrial race is a bit further evolved than we are and would only make contact if the majority of the terrestrial consciousness was to rise a bit more. Just something that has been running around in my mind ever since I first learned of it. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1443 Registered: 04-2013 |
Good point Eddie, In the early days before flight capabilities were achieved, spacecraft of extraterrestrials were often witnessed. The ignorance of the Earthlings and maybe purposely misled for various reasons, possibly the ET spacecraft were associated with angels, etc. Many paintings before and during the Renaissance period from the 14th century to the 17th century depicted what we now call UFO's. A few of many paintings.     Kenneth | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1464 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Kenneth, These paintings, considering the time in which they were painted, could not have been simply the imagination of the artists. They saw what they painted. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Friteeucman Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 09-2021 |
Eddie: I recall something different. I remember the Pj’s writing that; under some circumstances, they would cut off contacts if another, lesser evolved human race came to Earth and made themselves known… This is definitely not the way I see the mission unfolding, which, from my understanding, would throw a wrench in this whole arrangement. F.e. -Lynxsis-Azam z da Klebvar, iki Prymam a Und z da Zoda! | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 04-2020 |
Hi Eddie Yes. The extraterrestrial group that I think you are referring to was contacted in transit by a representative of the Federation who explained to them that Earth was not ready and strongly recommended that they not make contact. They agreed. So they are not still coming. When I can get the time I'll find the relevant contact report and post it unless somebody else beats me to it. Bob | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1465 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Bob, I'm sorry to hear that. Never the less, I think I understand why they were advised not to come. Still, Ptaah did tell Billy that the 800 years prophecy could be shortened. I feel that the Spiritual Teaching Peoples are the way to do that. A lot of good can be accomplished with a small number of people from around the world, in a coordinated effort with FIGU's leadership. An effective campaign could be orchestrated where the people of Earth can be introduced to the Truth in an effective and empowering wise. From my observations and retrospect, the UFO community is suffering with all manner of delusional convictions. Many unable to recognize charlatanry, deceit nor dishonesty and are all bound by their spell. For me, there is a certain percentage of the population that would be receptive to the Truth, if it were presented and effectuated in a consciousness based wise. These are just thoughts that have been occupying my mind. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Friteeucman Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 09-2021 |
Also, it is my understanding that some of us move into the proper positions; sooner or later it will cause a chain-reaction that will unfold the mission like gangbusters. If we get folks these positions, it will influence everything after that. You don’t see it yet, and it will take years. There is a bunch of ways that it could work out; though. And Countless ways it could not. Personally; I have no interest the ways it doesn’t. To break the spell. We all want this. It would be an Incredible Story…Inter-Galactic mythology, 101. F.e. -Lynxsis-Azam z da Klebvar, iki Prymam a Und z da Zoda! | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 171 Registered: 04-2020 |
Hi Eddie In reviewing the contact notes again I have educated myself a bit more that there were actually more than just one extraterrestrial group that could have made open contact with Earth, but it was determined to be too soon. The one that I was thinking of in my response appears in Contact Report 235: Billy: That is clear. But what about an earlier statement by you that in the future a spaceship would officially land in the USA? I think that this was explained to me in September 1975, at the 34th or 35th contact. Ptaah: 98. Yes, to my knowledge this explanation was given to you at the 35th contact meeting with my daughter Semjase on September 16, 1975. 99. In addition I may explain to you in extension of the explanation at that time that these interests have changed thoroughly. 100. For our part we were able to locate the group that would have come to Earth in the future and would have made official contact with the Earth-humans in America. 101. In the knowledge of the true, unpeaceful and arrogant machinations and all other evils, which prevail in America and influence the whole world negatively, we informed those, which were intended for the official establishment of contact with the terrestrial humans in America, recognized by foresight. 102. After taking note of our information, however, that group decided not to carry out this enterprise, although it had already been decided. 103. Consequently, this planned event does not take place, because America is not yet mature enough in any way for such contacts; but this does not preclude other strangers from coming to Earth and seeking contact. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_235 BUT, then later in Contact Report 257, Billy begins referencing another group: Billy: ...Then I would have another question now, which refers to the coming and appearance of extraterrestrials who have no connection whatsoever with you and who should actually make open contact with Earth humans. Can I find out, for example, when this time will really be? The date once mentioned to me has become obsolete because things have happened with Earth humans and in their politics, which made the appearance of the extraterrestrials impossible. Ptaah: 77. The time is relatively close according to our terms, but for certain reasons I will not name the more exact time, because thereby steps could be taken by the terrestrial man, which would thwart everything another time. Billy: After which you will finally withdraw, as you have always assured! Ptaah: 81. That was always the meaning of our explanations in this regard. Billy: Your concepts of time are of course different from ours here on earth, so your word is a broad concept if you say that the time is already relatively near when official contact between extraterrestrials and terrestrial humans can be expected. Ptaah: 82. Time is really not very far away anymore. 83. The only question is whether the military, secret services and governments will not change the open appearance in such a way that the public will be misled and the real facts will not be falsified and concealed again, as this was done with regard to previous occurrences of a similar kind with extraterrestrial aircraft and beings of foreign worlds. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_257 I believe that it is this second group that is referenced again in Contact Report 264: Ptaah: 55. The time is approaching at which the first official contact with aliens will take place. 56. The efforts of certain aliens are coming to that. 57. I am not allowed to explain more about this, because we are not allowed to intervene in current events that are not directly connected with our own interests. 58. Whether this encounter with earthlings will actually take place in the near future, however, has already become questionable again, as a result of the new political turmoil, which will also increase again in the future, whereby malicious acts of war are to be expected. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_264 But even this remote possibility seemed to evaporate by the time of Contact 427: Ptaah: 68. Contacts with Earthlings do not take place, and apart from the contact with you, no other contacts exist. 69. That will only change when other beings foreign to Earth land openly and take up contacts, which will only happen then when we have left. And reiterated again in CR 530 Ptaah: 26. Earth-humans are not yet mature enough in this respect, at least as far as contacts with us, the Plejaren and our federated peoples, are concerned. 27. It could be possible, however, that in the future, Earth-foreigners could make contact with Earth-humans, but these contacts would then be developed to the same degree of consciousness as Earth-humans, which could then have the consequence that many and great unpleasantness could also result. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_530 So it would appear that Earth has a bad reputation right now. Bob | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1466 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Bob, I want to thank you for that post. Interestingly, for me Ptaah lays out the common thread and thus the causality. Which he summarizes in line 26 of CR 530 "26. Earth-humans are not yet mature enough in this respect,// The common thread is that Earth isn't ready and needs the efforts of the Nokodemion spiritual teaching peoples. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 172 Registered: 04-2020 |
Hi Eddie Yes, I think the success of the future great teacher mentioned in the prophecies will depend on those continued efforts of FIGU, friends of FIGU and as you say the Nokodemion folk. I think it is quite likely that the prophesied future great teacher will be from the Nokodemion lineage. But it will take patience, persistence and Ziel to not only maintain the level of progress made but expand it further. Ziel, as you know, is one of those German words in the teaching that has no English equivalent. I read an interesting article about other foreign words that as such are non-translatable. The Finnish concept of sisu, which is a sort of “extraordinary determination in the face of adversity” seems similar to Ziel. According to Finnish speakers, the English ideas of “grit”, “perseverance” or “resilience” do not come close to describing the inner strength encapsulated in their native term. It was "untranslatable" in the sense that there was no direct or easy equivalent encoded within the English vocabulary that could capture that deep resonance. So I looked up the word "sisu" in Wikipedia and found this: "Sisu is extraordinary determination in the face of extreme adversity, and courage that is presented typically in situations where success is unlikely. It expresses itself in taking action against the odds, and displaying courage and resoluteness in the face of adversity; in other words, deciding on a course of action, and then adhering to it even if repeated failures ensue. It is in some ways similar to equanimity, though sisu entails an element of grim stress management. It is a term for going beyond what one thinks is their mental or physical capacity." Sisu as a psychological power potential was introduced for the first time in the 3rd World Congress on Positive Psychology in Los Angeles on 29 June 2013. In the study, sisu is described as a psychological key competence which enables extraordinary action to overcome a mentally or physically challenging situation. Sisu also contributes to what has been named the action mindset; a consistent, courageous approach toward challenges which at first seem to exceed our capacities. I think sisu is similar to Ziel in the sense that they evoke the focus of great personal might and will that is not ordinarily present for a person. And I think they are different in that Ziel also seems to include the element of joy and love along with it and it is also a necessary ingredient in one's continuous development forward in consciousness. Here is some info from the teaching that sounds similar- From Lehrshrift, point 108, sentence 8: "lm taglichen Leben ist darauf zu achten, dass man stets sein Ziel festlegt, dieses sieht und wahrlich anstrebt mit besten Kraften." In day-to-day life, care must be taken that one always sets one's goal, sees it, and truly strives for it with the best of one's might. Through the Teaching of Life, we as human beings are continuously in a goal setting and achievement lifestyle. Most of the time, unfortunately, everything happens unconsciously instead of fully consciously. Bob | ||
Reen71b Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 09-2020 |
Excellent post. Thanks for sharing, Bob. Maureen | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1467 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hello Bob, Sorry for the late response. Thank you for the very informative post. As I understand it, a "true" ziel is consciousness based. Meaning, when in alignment with creational recommendations, if/when all factors are carefully considered, then the ziel comes to fruition. Ptaah stated that the 800 Year prophecy can be shortened. Ptaah also explained that the Nokodemion Teaching Peoples is not a group, but rather the coordinated efforts of FIGU-peoples who are living in various countries around the world. This would facilitate an active campaign with coordinators in every country. From the Goblet, we learn to appreciate and benefit from the developments and expertise of others. So I am thinking that trade show and event consultants will play a role. There are many convention centers and hotels around the world where presentations can be offered, free of charge, to the public. We could even raffle away free books such as the Goblet, Might Of The Thoughts, etc. From my (infancy) probability calculations, if I have truly considered all factors and nothing is missing, then the pandemic should come under control within a few months; Or perhaps by the end of this year. I truly hope I'm accurate. All possibilities are in place in order for a global campaign to be successful, thus true ziele that will benefit humanity and the planet. If/when the pandemic comes under control, I am already geared and positioned to get started on some ideas and the necessary funding. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3618 Registered: 12-1999 |
 It will be a time of great weeping, pain and regret | ||
Friteeucman Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 09-2021 |
I like your enthusiasm and conviction, Eddie; as for the prophecies being mutable, changeable, ect… Speaking for your calculations on the Coronavirus; what exactly are mitigating factors are you considering? F.e. -Lynxsis-Azam z da Klebvar, iki Prymam a Und z da Zoda! |
