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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2540
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 14, 2021 - 03:02 am: | 
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I have no idea Bianca.
All I know is what I did which is I sent out a thought message and surprisingly I got a response in the form of a UFO sighting on multiple occasions over a number of years.
Maybe they were saying hello to you in an indirect way as they did to me but I saw nor experienced any malice.
If they had every intention to harm anyone they would've already done so with their sophisticated technology.
I am not sure who they try to also contact previously but Dorothy Izzat comes to mind here.
There have been so many non plejaren & federation and not terrestrial sightings of UFO whose origin points to the foreigners and future earth human beings besides the zeta reticulans, bardans etc so my guess is that there are too numerous to mention.
Matt lee |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1650
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, May 14, 2021 - 12:14 pm: |
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“Erdzukünftige” – Part 3
You are right Matt, It all is a little confusing.
My insight stems from CR 651: https://www.futureofmankind.info/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_651
If you, on this website,
1. click … (the 3 dots) in the right top corner and then,
2. on the drop down list entries, select “Find on this page”,
you are presented with a textbox;
3. insert in this textbox the word “Erdzukünftige”
and you are in the area which speaks about the people that Billy and Ptaah calls this way and
there you will as well find an explanation by Billy about the 2 groups of “Erdzukünftige” that I mention in my many posts *) – i.e.,
Group 1. People that descended from us, earth people (maybe the likes of us Forum members in a future time), that have made the necessary discoveries to time travel and re-visit our planet to freshen up their knowledge of the historical past of our planet
Group 2. A subterranean race, that is not neither descended from earth nor really from a future time but they live on earth now and are only called “Erdzukünftige” because their flying machines are “like the ones of the future Earthlings” – Ptaah mentions in CR 651:50 that the other “Erdzukünftige” (that is us earth humans in a future time = group 1) have, in the future, a spacecraft of a similar technique**).
There are some translation changes necessary in this report - e.g. the translation of “Erdzukünftige” with “Future Earth” may confuse the reader.
Billy: Excuse me, by time bridging you mean time travelling, as we say?
[Group1] In this case, “Erdzukünftige” means those earthlings of the distant earthly time who already live on earth in the distant future and who, through the possibility of their time travel technology with their various small and large futuristic flying machines, have been coming to the earthly present since time immemorial and also nowadays to our present.
[Group2] This, however, is also done by the other grouping, the '“Erdzukünftige”', which have their state in a certain subterranean region of the earth, and have a general futuristic technology and thus also possesses very highly developed flying machines. These flying machines, which I call so according to your sense, are for the present time an earthly-technical development which is completely futuristic or progressive, innovative, progressive, trend-setting, ahead of the present time and therefore trend-setting, etc. With regard to this second grouping, which you also call “Ërdzukünftige”, it must be said that they do not come from the distant earth-future, nor are they direct descendants of extra terrestrials but they are indirectly very distant descendants ["of extra-terrestrials”]
I think Billy wants to make clear that the Group 2 “Erdzukünftige” are present day people of our planet which are very distant descendants [of extra-terrestrials] (In my view this would fit the description of people of the blue race in Agartha A and B]
Bill
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https://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/14997.html#POST79891
If Microsoft warns you ("ït is unsafe to proceed") when trying to access this post try a Figu Forum Search:
Click on the Figu Search Button above
Copy in the Search Textbox: Re UFOs witness skies
Select "And” (Match all words)
Select Whole Words Only
Click "Perform Search"push button
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Billy explains in CR 651 that the present-day- “Erdzukünftige” (blue race) UFOs usually are seen in the western hemisphere (west of Greenwich)
Ptaah mentions that the reason for this should be kept secret.
We may infer that the western nations – speak US – may have the most advanced space travel technology and they may want to know how far US scientists have progressed?
Less likely: They telepathically assist western (Area 51) scientists? –
But these are merely speculations which may not be true.
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1651
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, May 14, 2021 - 12:19 pm: |
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Small Correction
It should read
Group 2. A subterranean race, that is neither descended from earth people nor really from a future time ... |
Ilovebilly
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Post Number: 700
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Friday, May 14, 2021 - 08:49 pm: |
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Gday Bill
As i understand it the folks in Agarta r trying to restore The Creations Law on earth,as they have lived on earth for a long time so dont have the constraints our mates have, e.g. they can be more forceful/controling but within The Creations Law.... They know the cycles of the ages and know its time to act. They dont want to be underground during the golden age...
Salome
ilovebilly
Every Cloud Has A Silver Lining. Truly, I know that there is no resistance to my successes, also not in my thoughts and not in my imagination and also not in my feelings. 77 Being emotional is not logical but is temporary madness and you are either logical or mad not both, i am grateful for my emotions but need to control them.
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2549
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2021 - 02:48 pm: |
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Yeah Bill group 2 would most likely accord closer to the actual truth and reality than all the other options thus entertained.
Gee these riddles by Billy and the Plejaren sometimes is like sitting through the end of the year HSC exams.
Earthmen must solve the puzzle himself as coined by Dyson and Vivienne's article but sometimes the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle appears to having nothing on them.
Anyway good researching Bill maybe judging by the blue ring with what appeared to be lightening strike within it from my January UFO sighting, it could've been the lord shiva or the regent of Agharta/Agharti/Aghartha blue races of subterranean people.
The $64,000 question is if true, how in the heck could they have possibly picked up my thoughts that I had sent out in the first place out of 9.7 billion thinking heads out there in the world?
Matt lee |
Bianca
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 06-2020
| | Posted on Sunday, May 16, 2021 - 09:18 pm: |
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Hi Matt,
I was asking myself the same question and my thinking goes along these lines... since the Plejaren pick up all of our collected peace meditation vibrations so that that they can be added to their own efforts, why not another race do the same? but why you? i think they are well aware of this forum and people 'like us', so it is very possible, in my view, that they pick up some of the more advanced earthlings thoughts. I reckon they would not bother with so many others who are skeptic or totally ignorant of this occurrence.
Does anyone know where the Zeta Reticule reside? if my memory serves me, still, these are the little grey guys who wrote the binary code telling us that 'there is still time to change...' however now, i think we are on a downward slope. |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1291
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Monday, May 17, 2021 - 09:13 pm: |
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Hi Bianca, hope that you are doing well.
To my knowledge and from what I could find out, Zeta Reticuli, is a binary star system, the constellation of Reticulum is visible in the night sky from the southern hemisphere.
The two stars, Zeta 1 Reticuli and Zeta 2 Reticuli are located just over 39 lightyears from Earth and are separated from each other by a distance of at least 3,750 Astronomical Units (AU), as you know, 1 AU is the average distance between Earth and our Sun.
The stars orbit a common center of gravity over a period of around 170,000 Earth years. Age is around 3 billion years old.
Zeta 1 Reticuli has a mass equal to about 96% that of the Sun, and a radius about 92% of the Sun. It is a yellow main sequence star of class G3 with a magnitude or brightness of +5.52.
Zeta 2 is about 99% the mass and 99% the radius of the Sun. It is slightly brighter at magnitude +5.22 and is a yellow dwarf of class G2.
Because the stars are similar to our Sun, if an Earth-like planet were in orbit around the stars at the right distance, liquid water should be able to pool on that planet’s surface, under the correct conditions it could be right for life as we know it.
Salome
Kenneth |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2552
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 - 03:52 am: |
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i think they are well aware of this forum and people 'like us', so it is very possible, in my view, that they pick up some of the more advanced earthlings thoughts.
Bianca I would gladly exclude myself out of your generous adjectives as if you heard how I speak to my work colleagues you would be flabbergasted at the shear numbers of words starting with Cu, Fu, Bu, Sh, MF, and every other word that is not in the dictionary get verbal diarrhoeaed every few seconds.
I am glad that these future earth humans and earth foreigners don't speak english or their version of google translate being unable to translate all these swear words coming out of my mouth otherwise the next time they show their UFO it'll be on fire melting like molten sh**.
Seeeee there you go.
Matt lee |
Bianca
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Post Number: 20
Registered: 06-2020
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2021 - 10:37 pm: |
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Kenneth, thank you for the brief  however, I am still wondering if Zeta 1 and Zeta 2 are part of our earth's residents? the same groups that Ptaah is referring to and will we ever know the real answers because Billy's cryptic messages are not to be deciphered. Oh well, it keeps me searching for more information...
Matt, you can be funny and would certainly add a 'colourful' presence to our Flau group! |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2553
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 21, 2021 - 12:09 am: |
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Thanks Bianca.
If fate permits one of these days but I am a bit like Dyson who prefer to be the sentry guarding the temple from the outside as a single player as I am not so good with keeping rules imposed from the outside however right the group rules may be.
It can feel a little claustrophobic.
Matt lee |
Hugo
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Post Number: 1014
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Friday, May 21, 2021 - 05:36 pm: |
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Hi Newinitiation,
Mind if I ask what Dyson is doing these days? I'm asking because he stopped doing the translations. Is he still helping the Meier case but in other ways now? |
Bianca
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Post Number: 21
Registered: 06-2020
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2021 - 12:40 am: |
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From my chats with Vivienne Dyson has retreated from the work he was doing officially after he and Vivienne were given good advice by Ptaah.
He is living in a cosy caravan in Tassie and playing a cello. At some stage his health wasn't great, but I am not sure of the circumstances now. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2555
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2021 - 10:48 am: |
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Yeah Hugo that's what I like to know as well but a timely response from Bianca above has answered your question.
Bianca would you kindly do me and Hugo a favour by saying hello to Dyson for us on our behalf.
Thanks
Matt lee |
Norm
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Post Number: 273
Registered: 12-2016
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2021 - 04:18 pm: |
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I wonder if we are going to get a name for the "Earth-foreigners" that have been on Earth since prehistoric times? |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1349
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2021 - 10:59 pm: |
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So are we to understand that these Earth-Foreigners made a "one-way trip" to our planet?
Ptaah explained they are only 200 years more advanced than us technologically.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1657
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2021 - 05:59 pm: |
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Supplementary information by Asket re. "other ETs" - CR 31:150:
150. Besides us, there are still several other extraterrestrial intelligences moving in the terrestrial space, who, however, stand in a much lower stage of evolution than our own, and who are developed ahead of the Earth-humans by only a few centuries, and by only around 1243 years of further development at most.
www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_031 |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2561
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2021 - 11:19 am: |
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Good find Bill
Although 200 odd years more advanced is still considered a lot its still not all that much.
This may indicate that either the earthlings with the help from the Plejaren impulse assistance developed quiet exponentially in a short period of time during the industrial revolution or that these lowly developed ETs have regressed and have gone backwards for some reason.
I am not sure where exactly out there that they have come from but if they were able to achieve interstellar travel with only 200 odd years of technological advancement than us earthlings currently then this may suggest that by the year 2221 we earthlings may also achieve full fledged interstellar space travel.
What is odd is how these guys have been here on earth for thousands of years and have mastered space travels that long ago to get here in the first place yet they are only 200 odd years more advanced than us now technologically then what the heck happened to them to have stayed stagnant for that long?
And why is the teaching of Creational energy not accessible to them for them to not follow creational laws and recommendation?
Is this the reason why they haven't evolved their technologies or did they at some point experience an earth borne epidemic that wiped out a lot of their comrades especially the scientists, technologist and technicians among them?
Or did Asket mention few hundred years because at the time of the contact we earthling were in possession of an ET technology specifically the flying device from the Giza intelligence or the bafath from which we earthlings at the time were able to obtain incredible technical knowledge through back engineering?
Wasn't this captured ET flying device the one that Asket ended up destroying because it posed a great risk to the security of humanity?
Its still mind boggling because we are talking about real events and real things here.
Matt lee |
Kenneth
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Post Number: 1294
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Friday, May 28, 2021 - 05:27 pm: |
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Hi Matt,
Just a thought to play with, these Earth-Foreigners are obviously not from Earth, or they would not be considered Foreigners. Their ancestors may have performed deep space travel etc. They may be descendants (offspring) of greater civilizations that once represented Atlantis or Mu?
Kenneth |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1661
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2021 - 09:50 am: |
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Your logic is spot on, Matt.
This …
"What is odd is how these guys have been here on earth for thousands *) of years and have mastered space travels that long ago to get here in the first place yet they are only 200 odd years more advanced than us now technologically then what the heck happened to them to have stayed stagnant for that long?"
… is, indeed, the most mind-boggling question *):
According to Florena (Jan 2, 2018 – CR 698) these foreign to earth people may have come here for an even much longer period – which would make them technologically advanced for an even longer time
"3. The various epochs and each era of the ancient history of the planet are to be reckoned in millions of years, during which the Earth-foreigners came to Earth again and again." www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_698
(Other explanation: sometimes larger numbers are accidentally mixed up – e.g. thousands are mistakenly expressed as 100 thousands etc) :
But, be it thousands or millions of years - the only way to explain this “being advanced” and yet “being somewhat similar to earth humans” is by differentiating between consciousness evolution (similar to -) and technical development (advanced to - Earth Humans) of these races:
Ptaah (Dec. 24, 2011) about the “foreign to earth” people in CR 532:51-55
Extract:
52. And regarding their conduct, many matters do not correspond to a consciousness development, which would allow a contact starting and association with them in accordance with our directives.
53. There, were and are, many incidents caused by them, which are not able to be reconciled with a healthy and higher consciousness ability development as well as also not with various creative-natural predetermined laws and regulations.
Ptaah - www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_532
This is very similar to what Quetzal explained on Feb 28, 1987 about the Roswell aliens (CR 215):
"100. Only the appearance of our androids is different in nature, for they are created after our likenesses, while the Reticulum androids resemble their creators, who are, in spite of their high technology and various sciences, still very unknowing in terms of really spiritual and creative interests, yet still arranged into a high and liberal culture with expressed human rights.
101. Nevertheless, our directives forbid us from maintaining deliberate physical or telepathic contact with them."
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_215
Hence my assumption, which may be wrong, that the “foreign to earth” groupings are aliens from Zeti Reticuli (= the creators of the EBE).
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Why were there so many misunderstandings and why were these misunderstandings deliberately created by the Plejaren?
In CR 625 Ptaah tells Billy of a secret organization who hunts anyone down (threat of life) who wants to find out about alien UFOs – and even US Presidents are kept in the dark about the truth they know about ETs.
www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_625
(Details see CR 625:102-105)
According to CR710 this organization could have been a threat to Billy’s mission -
(To keep Billy away from speaking to the world - Abduction of Billy’s daughter – Blackmail etc. - details see CR710:22 CR710:43-55)
Extract (Ptaah Sept 11, 2018)
22. And the fact that various things could be said, explained and only spoken in such a way that certain deliberate misunderstandings also arose, was based on the fact that, on the one hand, as a result of the worldwide controversy already going on against you and our contacts, in the measure of the lies, smearings, intrigues and slanders raised against the truth, it was not allowed to speak of those Earth-foreigners, because of whom the dark grouping and the secret services, which coordinated together, especially those of the USA, did not recognize the truth.
www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_710
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1662
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2021 - 10:11 am: |
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On a lighter note … Why would a UFO respond to a human request?
In her report “Alien Interview” US army nurse Mac Elroy claimed to have telepathically interviewed a surviving EBE from the Roswell crash. If this interview really happened then one thing is clear - the EBEs (which were somewhat similar to the race that created these androids) could not only fly interstellar for a long time but communicate telepathically *) which would explain their picking up Matt’s wish to see them.
While there is a big question mark if this interview truly happened as reported by Mac Elroy, there is one note in CR 264 **) about an alien that was kept in captivity by earth humans:
Judging from Ptaah’s Mar 2005 statement in CR 264 (“died some years ago”) this may exclude the questionable EBE event (the EBE interviewed by Mac Elroy died in 1947). Then again the “alien” Ptaah refers to, may have been a human being rather than an EBE (=android, absorbing energy directly from cosmic energy rather than food / metabolism)
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According to the "telepathically conducted interview":
At one instant the EBE told the nurse that she should not think of her mind being a part of her body. He telepathically commanded ”Be out of it!” – which caused her for a moment to have an out of body experience, seeing herself from the room’s ceiling.
For those interested - Google “Matilda O’Donnell Mac Elroy 1947 Roswell Alien Interview”
**) CR 264:54 mentions an ET that died while being imprisoned
www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_264
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Newinitiation
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Post Number: 2563
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2021 - 05:16 pm: |
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That's a good point Kenneth worth considering.
Just one question if they the descendant of ancient ETs have resided on earth for thousands of years, lets say 13,500 years give or take and are still called 'foreigners' then how long do you have to reside on earth before you seize to be called a 'foreigner' as I don't see Billy or the plejaren calling the recent arrivals, the yellow race, as foreigners.
The term foreigner has such a broad scope in meaning that it could apply to all those earthlings with an ET spiritform or even the Giza intelligence and bafath members could've been called foreigners even though they've lived on earth for thousands of years and lived apart from the general society.
What constitutes a foreigner by definition?
Could it apply to human beings with an ET spirit who feel like a foreigner here on earth or does this term denote those human beings with or without ET spiritform who are the descendants of ancient ETs who have absolutely no connection with the general surface dwelling members of society?
Does one become a foreigner by definition if due to fortuitous circumstances like the girl who was raised by a pack of dogs since birth they were completely isolated from the general society?
I don't know whether I have an ET spirit or not but ever since I was a child I always had this acute sense that I didn't belong anywhere and felt out of place wherever I went even in my birth city and ever since I've been living in another man's country the feeling of being out of place is doubly compounded but according to the meaning of the term 'foreigner' would I be considered a double foreigner or foreigner ×2 or even a duo/bi foreigner?
Why wasn't this term used on other ETs I wonder as they weren't native to earth?
Why was this term specifically bestowed upon this specific group only?
What makes their foreignness so special that they were described in this term?
I wonder why the most recent of all recent arrival to earth, the Bardans, weren't considered a foreigner even if their sojourn was very brief?
Who is and isn't a foreigner by definition?
Matt lee |
Scott
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Post Number: 3319
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| | Posted on Saturday, May 29, 2021 - 07:41 pm: |
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Why would a UFO respond to a human request?
Have you read Bulletin 005 in which Guido somehow received a response from a UFO?
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_005#HEAVENLY_GREETINGS |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1664
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, May 30, 2021 - 03:18 am: |
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"Ever since I was a child I always had this acute sense that I didn't belong anywhere and felt out of place wherever I went ..."
Exactly what I felt as well.
I envied the others that "were here so much longer". Felt that I had to study my new environment a lot.
Bill |
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