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    Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 1494 Registered: 08-2010 |
Bill and Bob, Excellent points. This is why there is this consistent alarm going off in my head, a sense of urgency (to best describe it), regarding the immense importance of the efforts of the Spiritual Teaching Peoples. Spiritual Teaching Peoples (explanations by Quetzal & Ptaah) https://beam2eng.blogspot.com/2017/03/spiritual-teaching-peoples.html?fbclid=IwAR0dvtWt9W_Sfwv7YqAOTQ2zFbG0_oaEfUmKevIMgTF8-n0Iy9TJUTBPrII Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 463 Registered: 05-2004 |
With the passing of Queen Elizabeth on 8th September, I can't help but recall the Henoch prophecy that says "England will be conquered and thrown down to the lowest level of misery"; this following the surrender of the crown. I don't remember where I read that bit. Recently we have been having trouble with many types of people: Muslims, Jews, English, Hindus, protesting against the Iranian Islamic Centre in London. Many people who are Iranian refugees came to Britian to escape being killed by Iranian authorites. Now they are demanding the British government close down the Islamic Centre because of recent troubles in Iran. But the government is doing nothing, and the police are doing nothing. And in the meantime Anjem Choudray, the Muslim hate preacher who wants to bring down the United Kingdom has returned to the streets to preach his hate of the English. There has also been conflict between Muslims and Hindus over a cricket match and the police just stood by and watched. Our government had to be told by the Indian and Pakistani governments to bring this conflict to an end. All the while, mass immigration continues with around 1000 people a day entering the UK. It all seems to be heading in the direction of the prophecy. It is very worrying. Authorities just simply refuse to take control for fear of being labelled racist. | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 520 Registered: 05-2004 |
Was just watching the news and this headline appeared: Pakistan's ex-PM Imran Khan wounded in assination attempt. I'm wondering if this is the first of head state murders that herald WW3? | ||
Hendrikus1970 Member Post Number: 178 Registered: 04-2009 |
they shot him in the legg, i think the head of states sign has to do something with this covid19 or vaccines | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 320 Registered: 12-2016 |
First of all he's alive second he is no longer a head of state.  | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 2033 Registered: 04-2011 |
The Henoch Prophecies (HP) - Should We Be Worried? Please note: The following may sound like conspiration, unreal, far-fetched and ‘not in our time’. But (1) our world has become an unpredictably dangerous place: There is a war “far away” but its network of tentacles touches the lives of all people. Because many nations participate in it. Because many households are hit by rising prices for energy sources. Because the media and military experts inform us about the latest killing machines and how many seconds it will take to destroy world’s main cities. But most menacing is the fact that there is seemingly no incentive on either side of the warring factions to ever end this war. And for nuclear powers there is no reconciliatory authority or UN. This makes our planet a dangerous place. It is not only a world that Bermunda does not want to live in. But a world that has lost its respect of law and order. That does not respect human life. The Henoch Prophecies (HP) speak of such a chaotic time. But do they apply to our times? It is this question that I will investigate through a critical analysis of some CR information. My main source are the Henoch Prophecies (HP) in CR 215 (2). Please note that in line with current Figu policies this report does not express any political bias or opinion. HP: The Participants – The Victims CR 215:168-169 (2) “169. The nations of the East will rise against the nations of the West, the West against the East. “ 168. Millions and even billions of human beings will be killed by acts of terrorism, by wars and civil wars; and finally, in some parts of the world, every third human being, and in other places, every fourth human being, will lose his or her life.” Prophecies and Predictions (3) Prophecies represent effects that could develop out of certain causes: They are calculated on the basis “if human being of the Earth continues to live in the same style as they have done up to now” and given so that humans will think about the evil they are about to create: They are not set in stone and may change if a different, e.g., a more reasonable thinking / modus vivendi. is taken which avoids the evil consequences. Predictions, on the other hand, are unavoidable, unstoppable and unchangeable happenings and will come to pass no matter what. They originate from real visions of/time travel to see future events. CONDITIONS FOR THE FULFILMENT OF THE HP Quetzal to Billy (CR 215:163 / Feb 28, 1987) 163. If the human being of the Earth continues to live in the same style as they have done up to now, forming their thoughts and feelings in the same manner, indulging in the same actions as they have done hitherto, then the words of the Prophecies of Henoch could not be any clearer”. THE EVENT THAT SETS THE HP IN MOTION CR 215 (Quetzal, 1987) (4) states an event (Pope will not reside in Rome anymore) which marks the beginning of the prophecies. At the time he gave these prophecies it was thought that “After the turn of the millennium, the papacy will exist only a short period” (CR 215:179 (3)). According to Billy in CR 236 Quetzal estimated it to be in 2003 / 2004. In 1990 Ptaah revised Quetzal’s statement (5) “… our probability calculations weren’t fulfilled” (CR 236:260) From Ptaah’s statement we may conclude that Plejaren experts, too, had wrongly calculated the beginning of the HP. In 1987 Quetzal may have wondered that – different to Plejaren calculations - John Paul II was still alive but he could not have known the 1989 events which made a “recalculation” necessary: The advent of Gorbachev, the freeing of east European countries and the re-unification of Germany – they were, indeed, a ‘major change of world politics. Florena’s 2003 statements in CR 348 (6) which may reflect the newer Plejaren calculations re. the start of the HP. “... if mankind does not change for the better the current pope [ (John Paul II)] will be the second last pope before major acts of war” would make Pope Benedict (PB) (who followed Pope John Paul II on Apr 19, 2005) the “last pope before major acts of war”. In PB’s reign falls the Yemen War, several African Wars, the 2nd R.-Chechen War, the R.—Georgian War and he was still alive when the present war started. So, we could interpret Florena’s statement as telling us that, according to their new calculations, the time of Pope Benedict (= the time of our ”Here and Now”), would be, should mankind not change for the better, the time “when major acts of war start “. “MAJOR ACTS OF WAR” If the HP came true, they are described in detail in CR 215:164-292 There is absolutely no further comment to these prophecies so as not to create any political bias or more fear than there is already. We re-iterate to the leaders of this world that they are prophecies which can be changed if humans are willing to “form their thoughts and feelings” in a different manner. WHAT CAUSES THE “MAJOR ACTS OF WAR” ? The HPs describe the potential outcome (the events, the sufferings and the high death toll) but not the cause which stimulates these “major acts of war”. Bermunda alerts us in CR 807 about the danger of the present war: [Many will realize the truth only when it is] “…. … too late to contain the fire that is threatening to break out. …” https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_807 It is not clear whether the ‘war’ in our time is the beginning of the HP's ‘major acts of war’ But it involves many of the nuclear powers in our world. And the clash of opposing political thought (democratic - authoritarian rule / capitalism - communism) is ‘hotting up’ in several parts of our world. And there is no sign or willingness to seek a synthesis or peaceful coexistence. E.g., for the present 'war': One president would lose his credibility if he gave up the occupied territories. The other would lose his credibility if he "made concessions to the invaders". So, the fight escalades. Many people are aware of that. That one “accident” could lead to a nuclear holocaust. But there are families to feed. Bills to pay. So, they continue their work, their study and their businesses. But deep down they are rightfully worried that the speedy escalation may have a terrible ending. SOME HP PASSAGES THAT SEEM TO RELATE TO OUR TIME The Times of “Pandemics and Anarchy” It was Hugo who first alerted us that what we witness in our present may herald the time of pandemics and anarchy of which the HP speak (see CR 215:288 above). http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/18157.html#POST89187 288. Anarchy will be the worldwide condition that will prevail and torment human beings over a long period of time, as human beings will also be tormented by the many epidemics and diseases, many of them new and unknown to human beings and, for this reason, incurable. 289. Due to this fact, the bodies of many human beings will slowly and miserably decay, while unbearable pain will also occur as well as blindness and terrible respiratory problems that lead to suffocation. 290. The consciousness of many human beings will become impaired and succumb to feeblemindedness and insanity. Pandemics Our present is the era of the COVID-19 Pandemic. Many would know that this virus has many variants (Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, Omicron etc.). But it does not stop there: There are as well many sub variants. E.g., to mention but a few of the Beta variant: B.1.1.529, BA.1, BA.1.1., BA.2, BA.3, BA.4, and BA.5 each with many sub-subvariants. E.g., the B1.351 subvariant has the 8 mutations K417N, E484K, N501Y, L18F, D80A, D215G, R2461 and A701V. So there are viruses galore. In addition, we know from Billy that a new viral sickness (RSV?) developed from a Corona Virus mutation(7). But despite a global surge of new infections and deaths the talk among some leading virus experts is that the ‘corona virus pandemic is over' because it has become ‘endemic’. Like the talk of war– it is all how you ‘sell it to the public’ – the deadly truth is secondary. “Human beings will slowly and miserably decay” CR 215:289 could not better describe COVID-19 which may flare up again and again often in connection with other ailments, with people dying slowly of myocarditis and a high percentage of people suffering from Long Covid. Billy points as well to the fact that sufferings/death may occur in connection with vaccinations: Billy in CR 830 https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_830 “… vaccinations, which for many human beings became a factor that brought not protection from the epidemic but long-term suffering or death… there have been many deaths who got vaccinated even though they did not know whether their immune systems were suitable for the vaccine in question.” Anarchy CR 215:288 hints that all mankind will have to endure deadly pandemics and (at the same time) In line with the prophecies we could assume that anarchy may be a consequence of future wars and civil wars in several countries and natural catastrophes. But with regards to anarchy: In CR 756 Billy points to a further source "... the authors of the (Climate Change and Anti-Coronavirus) demonstrations are taking advantage ... to work towards their anarchist plans without the [Office for the] Protection of the Constitution ... realizing that the demonstrations serve the purpose of building up anarchism.” Ptaah confirms that these demonstrations are organized by underground movements (Billy: Left-wing /Right-wing/Sectarian and other extremists) to shake up/undermine the constitutions/basic laws. We may imply that these forces are active in western countries as they allow demonstrations. Billy hints to have been shown by Sfath ‘what is going to happen’ and Ptaah confirms that what Billy then saw will be “… absolutely inevitable…”. We note that Ptaah (in CR 830:48/49 ) points to the fact that (some of?) these (“unnoticeably steered to undermine governments” ) demonstrations take place in our time. --- What is your thought? Has the time of the HP started – should we be worried? | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 547 Registered: 05-2004 |
What's the point in worrying? You should distance yourself from these concerns, stop reading about them, stop writing about them. What good will it do causing yourself and others to worry, to fear for their lives and the lives of their family. I'm not saying to live in ignorance. We all know what could happen, but unless we can do something constructive to change it for the better, then it is better to not think about it, and instead to just concentrate on our own consciousness well-being and evolution. Sooner or later, one way or another, we are all going to die. This fear-mongering helps no one. The only thing I look out for is the final warning, the final goodbye. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 2035 Registered: 04-2011 |
SOURCES USED (2) Quetzal to Billy (CR:215/ Feb 28, 1987) https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_215 (3) Bulletin 46 / A Word to the 3rd WW – A Clarificatiion https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_046 (4) Quetzal to Billy (CR:215/ Feb 28, 1987) https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_215 CR 215:164 CR 215:179 - 183 (5) Ptaah to Billy (CR 236 / Apr 26, 1990) https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_236 CR 236:25-260 Prophecy change due to change in international politics: Gorbachev (glasnost / perestroika) (6) Florena to Billy (CR 348 / Oct 6,2003) https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_348 CR 348:18-20 (7) CR 827 / Billy: https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_827 (RSV?) “Recently you also said something about the Corona plague having mutated in such a manner that a new form of illness has resulted from it with regard to breathing, but medical science has not yet perceived or fathomed where and why this new suffering has come about.” (Vaccinations) “….The fact is, however, that the vaccines contain chemical substances which, depending on the tolerance of the immune system, can have a lethal effect, as has been proven time and again, and indeed for many human beings, …” (8) Ptaah to Billy in CR 830 https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_830 39. This also applies in a different wise to the demonstrators, who recently call themselves the 'Last Generation' and who stick to the streets just as they destroy expensive cultural property. … 48. This means that the members of this 'Last Generation' demonstration movement are being steered, underhandedly and for them unknowingly and unnoticeably, towards an actual anarchism, which is to have the far-reaching aim of undermining the state governments in such a manner that they … Billy: Billy: … you are not telling me anything new, for I have known this ever since we, Sfath, your father, and I together, have seen this and that in the future and have seen quite evil. But to talk about it further, or even to ponder it, is useless. Very few will think about what is to come. | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 1163 Registered: 04-2015 |
I think a certain degree of worrying can be good for people in these times or else it may stop them from preparing mentally (spirit) and physically (food stock, shelter, ect) for what could be coming - WW3. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 2036 Registered: 04-2011 |
Joseph: In short: Maybe we have a different understanding of our being here? For me - we live here to participate (1) and to bring about a change for the better (2). No, it is not to create pessimism and fears. It is to warn that precious young humans die in this no-win-war. It is the insight that the same thought of many (their attitude to this war) creates the realities in the present. That silent acceptance of hate and counter-hate could lead to a dangerous escalation. These are, in brief, my thoughts. But you are entitled to have your own opinion. (1) "But in order to be able to change everything, it was also necessary that everyone would change themselves into the thinking of the Earth-humans ..." (CR 191:53) "Many of today's Earth-humans" lived "in the early days of the beginning of evils on the Earth" (CR 191:56) (2) "If the human being of the Earth continues to live in the same style as they have done up to now, forming their thoughts and feelings in the same manner, indulging in the same actions as they have done hitherto, then the words of the Prophecies of Henoch could not be any clearer”. (Quetzal, 1987) | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 551 Registered: 05-2004 |
Tat, What has our understanding of our being here got to do with it? You are here, I am here. Whatever our reasons, it is enough that we are here. I didn't realise we were competing. It is good that you want to participate and bring about a change for the better. But the change you need to bring about needs to be within yourself first. That's what Billy teaches. That's what the spirit teaching teaches. Of course, FIGU needs all the help it can get to disseminate all the information it has regarding the state of the world, although I'm not sure if members of this forum are the right people to do that. But I'm curious as to who you are trying to reach out to, who you are warning: those who are not FIGU members and who have never heard of FIGU or those of us who are FIGU members? I don't disagree with your thinking, that people's attitude to this war creates the present reality and that "silent acceptance of hate and counter-hate could lead to a dangerous escalation". I'm just curious as to how you think you can change their attitude. Perhaps I have less faith in humanity than you do. From my own observations and experiences, most people are living in their own world, and it's going to take a lot more than harsh words to shatter it, perhaps a world war will do it. So I don't see that your participation, as well-intended as it is, is positive. I see it as futile and ultimately only creates fear. But's that's probably me projecting, as I struggle with depression and have to distance myself from all the doom and gloom. I know what's coming, and it just makes me feel helpless. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 2037 Registered: 04-2011 |
Joseph, So, following your logic, you would say that Billy and the Plejaren - they warn us continuously - that their mission is futile? I could argue that just because there is no end in sight of this 'wrong war' - many people are curious what may happen. And that it is customary at the start of a new year to discuss predictions of 'what is to come'. E.g., in Dec 2018 / Jan 2019 (you were not here then) I took CR 251 apart and I think that it was well received in the Forum. This is not to frighten people - it is because most of the discussions on this Forum relate to CRs and books from Billy. But in my empathy with people (1) I can feel that in Eastern Europe there are so many emotions of so many people, their memories of times past - be they 1928-1938, or the times before or after these times. And each family, each country that has suffered in these times, when it sees this war, it is all out to 'protect itself from it happening again'. Because strange as it may seem and this is my real point - both sides - they continue the fight because they feel a "need to protect themselves" - right? So, if they both feel the same why can't they sit down and discuss (UN) how to create 'their security'? My writings they imply 'what will the pumping of arms and soldiers achieve'? CR 70:108-9 ... A few million humans remained on the Earth, where everything that had been built by the extraterrestrial humans had been completely destroyed and totally eliminated. Those left behind, deprived of all technical and other cultural possibilities by the complete total destruction, gradually fell into a wicked lethargy, atrophied and became wild beings in a nasty barbarism.' Yes, I write about these 'happenings'. Because they should never happen again. And though you may not see it this way but there are some people in this world who know that they live to prevent 'it' from happening again. (1) "But in order to be able to change everything, it was also necessary that everyone would change themselves into the thinking of the Earth-humans ..." (CR 191:53) | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 1165 Registered: 04-2015 |
Joseph_emmanuel, Please don't tell Tat_tvam_asi to stop posting/writing about this topic. Your post 547 sounds like you speak for us all in what we all should be reading and writing. I like reading Tat_tvam_asi's posts about this dire topic and I'm sure there are others here that do too. I find it constructive to match up what's written in the WW3 prophecies to current events. It helps me get motivated to prepare and not ignore/forget it. This is also the prophecies/predictions section where people can discuss/write about it. Please do not try and stifle discussion on this topic. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 2038 Registered: 04-2011 |
Thank you, Hugo. Salome, Bill | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 552 Registered: 05-2004 |
Okay, Hugo, whatever you say. I didn't realise I was telling Tat to do anything. I didn't realise I was trying to stifle discussion. But I guess you know what you're talking about, like in your previous post, wording your comment in such a way as to imply something else. I honestly don't give a shit what Tat writes. I wasn't telling him to do anything. I was just saying. | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 553 Registered: 05-2004 |
Tat, My logic was intended to apply to you or to anyone on this forum who is not part of the Core FIGU group. Aren't we just ordinary men and women here, lone voices crying in the wilderness? I don't know. Maybe you have power that others here don't. Maybe you can reach people and influence them. I guess, that's great if you can do that. But you do need a certain degree of power (influence) to do that. Billy and the Plejaren have that over us. They are the experts. They know what they're talking about. They've created the circumstances through the organisation of FIGU in order to try and reach the wider population. They're finding it impossible and, yes, even futile. Maybe they need all the help they can get. Maybe your help is much appreciated. But are you helping or are you just posting on this forum about how terrible the future is to those of us who already know how terrible it will be. Don't get me wrong. I'm just saying. I honestly don't care. I can scroll passed your comments if I struggle reading them, and I often do. I'm not really speaking for anyone here, not even Hugo. I'm just speaking for myself. And all I'm saying is, unless you're influencing global circumstances, like Billy and the Plejaren have done and are still trying to do, unless you're out there putting it out to the public, going over the terrible consequences of global events again and again on this forum alone is just fear mongering. Perhaps not for all of us, clearly not for all of us, but for some of us, maybe for many of us. In any case, my original post was in reply to your last sentence: "What is your thought? Has the time of the HP started – should we be worried?" I figured if you're going to write about this kind of stuff and then worry about it, perhaps you should stop writing about it. I don't know. That's just me. | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 1166 Registered: 04-2015 |
Joseph_emmanuel, No, you were telling him what to do and you were also trying to stifle discussion on this subject. Look again. Don't take it personally because this is the second time I backed up Tat_tvam_asi when someone tried to tell him to stop posting on certain subjects just like you did here. I do this because I enjoy reading his regular posts on certain subjects. I find them useful and I voice my opinion if/when someone tries to shut him down. You can read about the other time I did it below when someone else tried to shut him down. "I also have no problem with Tat_tvam_asi posts, in fact I enjoy them. I often find useful information in them that I somehow missed or forgotten. Please continue posting them Tat_tvam_asi because there is no harm in posting them. They help me remember!" http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/18706.html#POST91822 I hope you don't take this personally and put it behind us, but we will see. | ||
Maven04005 Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 04-2021 |
Bill Gates just got a US patent.US 6,754,472 B1 METHOD AND APPARATUS FOR TRANSMITTING POWER AND DATA USING THE HUMAN BODY Here is a link to the patent: https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/ba/cd/54/68856ccb390a3e/US6754472.pdf The US gave him permission to hack the human body as predicted. Sign of the Times 188 Your digital identity, in turn, will include everything that will be known about you through monitoring via implanted biosensors, your computer, smartphone, GPS, social media, online searches, purchases and spending habits. Imagine an artificial intelligence listening to you, watching and evaluating your every move and heartbeat, and algorithms deciding what you can and cannot do based on your behaviour, expressions, social contacts and personal views. I use the information from independent media to determine myself, where we are in the prophecies. Wow! The US is leader of in the "Great Reset" Hello Maven04005, Just a reminder at this time FIGU prefers the posting of FIGU Links only. Thank you Scott-Moderator (Message edited by scott on January 14, 2023) | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 558 Registered: 05-2004 |
I find the future very worrying. Contact Report 831 says that all the peoples of the world will be dominated and controlled by governments and banks and corporations, etc. It sounds like the US will succeed in becoming the world ruler. How are you supposed to fight this level of control over your life? Become an underground outcast? Live off grid? Refuse to use current technology? How do you fight it if you're forced to comply? I can see a lot of people turning to crime in order to survive. It feels like it's getting closer and closer to a Matrix scenario. Maybe ignorance is bliss. Maybe the only hope you have is to go along with it. I don't know. I find it very disturbing. | ||
Tat_tvam_asi Member Post Number: 2045 Registered: 04-2011 |
Yes, Joseph you are right it is a worrying time. And this is why we inform each other. Like Hugo telling us this is indeed the time when pandemics and anarchy start. It may not reach many outside people. But it reaches at least those who read the Forum articles. Warning them to be alert. To prepare for what is to come. It is hard to successfully tell the world quoting CR sources. Because the CRs are interwoven with information which may enrage those who propagate and make the news of the world. Many times you do not receive any answer. Anyway, just to let you know, it was part of my World Peace meditation that you and I are on peaceful terms again. Salome, Bill | ||
Votan Member Post Number: 992 Registered: 12-2011 |
Hi Scott I am still not receiving any contact reports since November. joe | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3738 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Joe, Unfortunately, this has been an ongoing problem and hasn't been resolved yet...since the 'upgrade" I haven't been able to accept any new applications to the forum...I did hear the website is going to be updated, and when that occurs, the email notification problem should be fixed, if not sooner. Thank you for your patience Scott | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 559 Registered: 05-2004 |
Does anyone know what it means for the mission if there is a nuclear war? Does it mean the mission will be unsuccessful? Will Billy still reincarnate in 2075? What about the prediction that humans will turn to the spirit teaching in 800 years? Will that no longer count? To be honest, I kind of have everything on that 800 years prediction. I don't like the present. I'm glad I won't be around for future events, except for those in my lifetime. But I am hoping everything will rectify itself. |
