| Author | Message | ||
    Savio |
Hello With reference to contact 249 page 34:
As it was mentioned that the Fatima event was an ET intervention, hence the three children involved would then be regarded as having ET contacts. Any comments on this? Regards Savio | ||
Scott B. |
Hello Savio That is a good point you make. Although the Lady of Fatima was a type of projection by an ET race, was that considered to be a contact with another race? How is the idea of contact defined? Scott | ||
Savio |
Hi Scott This is new to me that the Lady of Fatima was a projection. It was said that only the children were able to see the Lady; how about your source of information? According to what was reported, the children did have dialogue with the Lady/projection. I think it can be considered as a kind of contact (direct or indirect). I think the most basic kind of contact is that of sending impulses to a contactee - a sort of single way traffic; the more common kind of contact is those having dialogue/communication between the parties - both way traffic like the Fatima case. Any comments? Regards Savio | ||
Wolf-Dieter |
to my information the lady of fatima was generated by the so called Gizeh Intelligences, an evil minded ET-Group, who wanted to gain control over people mainly by the use of relgion. (They where banished by the Pleadians, I think in 1984 after their attempt to murder Billy Maier) It is said in the contact notes (Nr. ?? I have to look up myself)that attentive observers were even able, to recognize the astronaut suit of the lady of fatima, though in these days no one on earth knew what a astronaut or space suit was at all. The whole show propably was a mean to keep the people holding on in religious believes. I guess this is the real true story. Best reagards Wolf-Dieter | ||
Savio |
Hi Wolf Thanks for the information  Was that Gizeh Intelligences one of those three ET groups mentioned by Billy and Ptaah? Do you mean that there is picture available that we can observe the astronaut suit of the lady? Can we see it on the web? More details please. Regards Savio | ||
Wolf-Dieter |
Hi Savio, I´am not sure, if there are any Photos. I´ll check the contact notes for further Information. May be I can find some further Informatin in the book of Michael Hesemann "Geheimsache Fatima" (=Top secret Fatima") By the way this could have been one of the 3 ET-groups. (One who lives unter the Himalaya Mountains, the other one who lives somewhere in the Californian Sierra Nevada - these 2 groups where not involved in the Fatima event, I am sure, but another group whose predecessors conquered earth some thousand years ago, where called the Gizeh Intelligences. I´ll get more information for you soon after having taken a look at the contact notes again. Greetings Wolf-Dieter | ||
Savio |
Hi Wolf Thanks for all the trouble. Looking forward to hearing from you again. Regards Savio | ||
TerraX |
Hi all.Have some of you read the book 'The White Sands Incident' by Dr. Daniel Fry? He was contacted by ET's other than the Plejarans. I recommend you read the book.The second part is an extraterrestial statement made by the Nors. Look closer. ;-) | ||
JAY |
Hi Terrax, Can you explain some of the issues discussed in this book for us (The White Sands Incident' by Dr. Daniel Fry), I don't want to buy the material that does not feed my mental understanding of Plejarans or the ET connection. Please elaborate just with a few sentences for us, thanks BE WELL | ||
TerraX |
Hi Jay.I'd be happy bring up some issues but the book mostly deals with Mr.Fry's experiences with some messages from an extra terrestial called Alan.If you look for an ET connection than this is a right book.Alan (pronounced Ah-Lahn) claims that some of there ancestors resided in Lemuria or Mu. The second part of the book is also highly interesting.It's called an Extra Terrestrial Statement made by a member of the Nordic/Nors race called Borealis.That section deals very much with spirituality,not much different than the Plejaran message. Anyway,I think if you buy the book it's money well spend. Regards,TerraX. | ||
TerraX |
If you like I can go more indepth. | ||
Scott B. |
Hello Terra X I was under the impression that there were two versions of the White Sands Incident in print. From what I remember the second version has been altered and does not exactly reflect Mr. Frys real experiences. From what I recall the second version is somewhat more available compared to the first, but both are still pretty hard to find. Does anyone else have any recollection of this? Salome Scott | ||
JAY |
Hi TerraX, I purchased the book the other day on Amazon.com for the matter of me looking at it briefly, I decided to get a used copy of the book from a reseller on Amazon. I will look at the information with open mind even though I do know a good amount of information about Lemuria and MU from my outside readings. You sure gave me more information about the book than Amazon did in their brief summary of the book. BE WELL TerraX | ||
Norm |
Scott, I though all of Fry's books were altered according to Figu. The thing I can't understand is how he let them go to print altered, unless he agreed to hold back the info, because of threats or the ETs wishes. | ||
TerraX |
Hello again.Norm if an alteration had taken place it probably would have happend after Dan Fry died. Scott's remark seems to hold ground.First it was published in 1954 as The White Sands Incident.In 1973 it was published as To Men Of Earth. The second part of the book called An Extra Terrestrial Statement was published in 1960 as A Spacewoman Speaks.All the above mentioned titles were released by Merlin Pub.Co. The version I have in my posession is from 1992 and is published by; Horus House Press, Inc. P.O. Box 55185 Madison, Wisconsin 53705 I bought this peticular book at The American Book Center. http://www.abc.nl Regards,TerraX | ||
blerim |
terra X greetings from Zürich I would like to know what kind of information you can give to me about the Atlantis /and what the word Atlantis means thanks a lot for any information blerim | ||
Norm |
I have a 1966 hardback version, and there's nothing earth shattering in it. If someone can verify its different from the first printing I will try to get a copy. Also didn't Dan Fry die in the 70's? If so why did he let them alter his later editions? | ||
blerim |
..hi .. does any one of you, can tell to me, since when is our moon up in the ..sky ...hanging ?? ....thanks a lot for any answer! blerim | ||
TerraX |
Hi Blerim.There are a lot of theories on Atlantis ranging from an ET civilization to a fabel. I saw a program (on Discovery Channel) and Atlantis is made up of 2 words, At (=copper),Lantis (=water).I don't recall at the moment exactly in which language this is but it must be an old language out of South America. As to the position of the moon I have no idea.I'm a bit more north then you so what's accurate overhere might not be accurate for you.Perhaps you can look it up on teletext (tv-text-service). Regards,TerraX. | ||
blerim |
greetings from switzerland terra X your informations are not so clear to me, please can you explain little bit more about AT-Land /tis/ and about the moon ,I mean since how many millions of years ago it is in this position it is now, /relativ/I think around 22 millions years ago.? any answer please, I would love it! blerim | ||
TerraX |
Greetings from Holland blerim.I thought you meant what position is the moon in now (half moon/full moon/new moon,time of rising/desent). Conventional science says the moon originated the same time our planet did but having said that NASA examined rocks from Luna taken back from the Apollo missions and found out they were billions of years old perhaps even older than our planet. There is still much debate on that subject since scientists tend to be stubborn. As to Atlantis I have to get back at you.I have to see that program one more time to be more informative.I hope you understand I'm no expert on the matters discussed,just a Cosmic enthousiast. Regards,TerraX. | ||
blerim |
Thank a lot Terra X grteetings from Zürich blerim | ||
TerraX |
Hi Blerim,about the origin of the moon.It's basicly covered in any book about our solar system but I seem to recall that a different explanation was given in the contact notes,mainly that the moon was free object in space caught by Earth's gravitional pull millions of years ago. I hope that satisfies your thirst for knowledge but be carefull not to turn into a Trutholic like me! ;-) Regards,TerraX | ||
blerim |
many thanks TerraX regards, blerim | ||
JAY |
HI Blerim, I would love to be in your shoes being that you are from Switzerland area, your can hangout by the Silver Star and get some good information from the FIGU Center good luck to you and BE WELL Blerim | ||
TerraX |
Hi Blerim.On the subject of Atlantis.Different and lenghty explanations are given on the following website. http://www.tje.net/para/documents/atlantis.htm enjoy, TerraX. | ||
blerim |
HI TERRA X THANKS A LOT !! blerim | ||
JAY |
Hi Terrax, I have the same Daniel Fry copy of 1992 printing as well, the book is quite fantastic and for the time it was written it sure shows alot of information that is parallel to some of the things the PLEAJARANS are mentioning to us in general. The begining of the book was interesting when ALAN speaks to Dan about the complications and technology used for creating the Hull of the ships exterior, very fascinating information about how is self cleaning!!. It has the same similarities as that of the PLEJARAN BEAMSHIPS but the information is not in detail. Borealis also speaks of the reincarnation process and how they can bring to the new life, previous positive knowledge which they learned in previous lives. I can consider the book quite informative and one for my collection, thanks Terrax BE WELL | ||
TerraX |
I'm glad you liked it Jay.That peticular book I read long before I came to know the Meier case. In the Borealis section reincarnation is discussed and it differs a bit in that the previous lives memories are brought back in order to fullfill there functions in live more easily.On a personal note I find that much more attractive but maybe that has to do with ego.Still I like that thought. Regards,TerraX. | ||
JAY |
Hi Terrax, In some way I think that the Reincarnation issue in what this so called Borealis states is more detailed information which is enhanced in the idea of reincarnation the life memories are brought back in order to fullfill there functions in live more easily. I would disagree with you in the idea of it being ego, I think that is what we try to do instinctly is to try either to remember or to try and know who we are as a living person. I think that to my understanding is what we are trying to always do is to remember who we are. I guess one day when all our races here learn of reincarnation and we develop the technololiges and awareness of it we may creat this ourselves. so what did you think of the section where they claim to come from Venus??... what did you think of that?, I do have to admit that this is definitely a hoaxed statement of the book. BE WELL Terrax | ||
TerraX |
Hi Jay.On the part of being ego I was more reflecting it on myself and not on the messenger.I find it a bit horrifying that your memories and experiences will be gone.Simply put I wish a bit of me goes into the next life and not to be forgotten. On the claim they come from Venus is a bit misleading (as I said before).On the surface no life exist nor did it probably ever exist.However a high technological space travelling race could quite easily establish a base underground or even in habitat domes and this is where the reference 'from Venus' starts.There true origines could be from a far away system.So simply put,when they say they come from Venus they really mean I departed from Venus.This is how I understood the information presented by the Venusians. Regards,TerraX | ||
JAY |
Hi Terrax, Yes, the Idea of them really coming from Venus was not clear since we know that Meier took his trip up in the 70's ans nothing was seen only when SEMJASE said that he was not allowed to take pictures of certain areas in Venus. However I believe as they mentioned in which they live in a different Vibrational level as that of us and they are alos of solid biological matter just like us in that particular vibration. SEMJASE make mention of this also where she stated that life exist in a different level that we cannot see at this time, so I guess this is where ALAN's information comes from. BE WELL Terrax | ||
TerraX |
Hi Jay.Sometimes when an ET makes a statement they make it from there point of view.A good example would be Ptaah making a remark about a race of people coming from behind the sun.What we would think is that the sun is our sun namely Sol.In that case however he was implying the central core of our galaxy.So,there is plenty of room for misunderstanding.I also have the sense that they are sometimes a bit uncompromising in those matters, maybe for a reason offcourse. Regards,TerraX | ||
TerraX |
Hi again Jay.What I could gather from your post and what I forgot to mention in my previous post is that Semjase roughly confirms what is written in the Dan Fry book,right? I love making those cross connections ;-D It's a way of determining the truth. | ||
JAY |
HI Terrax, YES I confirm these things the same way with things I have read in the past or what Im going to read that will be new in our learning. Most poeple from learning this forget to make sure to cross reference this with what the PLEJARANS also say. Another instance of this when Borealis told the story of Lemuria and Atlantis on the Daniel fry book, they made reference which was exactly quite similar to what the PLEJARANS have said about the continents destruction. I was amazed by the similarity except for some mild differences in terms of other happenings but it was exactly the same thing. I would think that the Daniel Fry book was not completely lost in its hoaxing. BE WELL Terrax | ||
TerraX |
Hi Jay.Which parts of the Dan Fry book do you think are hoaxed? I also want to remind you that this book was written before Mr Meier came out with any material. | ||
Anthea Cossette |
Note to Moderator: I thought that this website was for discussion about Billy Meier and HIS contacts, etc.? There are numerous other websites where such fringe topics can be discussed to hearts-content. Salome, Anthea | ||
TerraX |
Hi Anthea. When discussing Mr.Meier contacts it becomes inevitable to compare it with other cases.It's a way of cross-checking different cases and finding out what is the truth or atleast what is likely. Regards,TerraX. | ||
Marc Juliano |
Hi Anthea, Believe me, your point is noted. I believe this thread began on topic (Contact 249) but since the content of that report has, in part, to do with various ET races visiting Earth, it will naturally expand on these components to some degree. To what degree it branches off from there is always the issue. I think I've come to realize over the course of moderatorship (if there's such a word) on this discussion board that a balance certainly needs to be struck between what is relevant and not. Sometimes, it may be beneficial for readers to drill down into details that may not seem to directly relate to the original topic, but they help to enchance the understanding from the Billy Meier perspective anyway. In this case, for example, discussing what the public spin is on Fry may help some people to draw comparisons between this and what the Plejarans espouse as their facts or may help to fill in the blanks as to who those ET races could actually be. The issue of what's relevant or not in this forum sometimes comes down to what someone perceives or feels is relevant from their perspective. I continue to do my best to keep things on track, but I do also rely on the readers, especially the frequent visitors, to do their part and ask themselves, "Does this have to do with the topic at hand, as well as with the purpose of this entire forum?". A friend once told me "Hope is the Dope of the Pope", but I continue to hope nonetheless. Thanks for alerting me and if possible, please continue to do so. I appreciate it much. Salome, Marc | ||
JAY |
Hi Marc and all others, We tend to get off track here which is true, like any other conversation that is verbally spoken almost. Ok, let us get back to 249th CONTACT or Marc see if we can move all the above post to a more proper posting area which may already exist. Please move the posting above to another exist thread or to "NON-FIGU Related- ET Intervention On Earth" if this is a better location, thanks. I agree we need to remind ourselves for this problem. BE WELL all | ||
Anthea Cossette |
Hi Marc, TarraX, Jay, et al. Point taken ... I agree with your opinions, and I was perhaps too quick off the mark in this instance. Please accept my apologies. Kind Regards and Salome, Anthea | ||
Lars |
Hello all From the 49 Questions booklet page 26. from Billy's "AN OPEN WORD" Billy states, "Such was the case in the Bible over a long period, until related books were removed from the holy scriptures upon a resolution from the Holy See in Rome; Hence the OLDEST AND MOST IMORTANT BOOK IN THE BIBLE, THE BOOK OF ENOCH, WAS REMOVED AND CONDEMNED AS BEING HERETICAL-" The book of Enoch or 1 Enoch. found written in fragments of the Dead sea scrolls, as well as found entirely complete written in Ethiopic. is the most important book, because in it there is revealed the truth of the Plejarens,and their existence at the SEVEN STARS, although this fact was cleverly covered up and written of in mythic form by Enoch or some other falsifier See 1 Enoch.18:12-18 and read about the angels who interbred with earthwomen now spoken of as being imprisoned at "Seven stars" in a place beyond earth! This one verse from 1 Enoch. totally justifies and backs up the Plejarens existence, honesty, and testimony 100% and reveals that this script is a falsified account of their ancient ancestors who after staying on earth later migrated to the Pleiades Seven stars. Seeing this was a true event the minions of Arus 1 and their sribes falsified this true event into a religious myth just like Ptaah and Semjase told Billy during his space trip on board the Great Spacer ship in July 1975. either way one looks at it, these single verses from 1 Enoch. demonstrate or show a falsification to myth occurred which lends total credibility to the Plejaren's testimony. 'THE AXE IS LAID TO THE ROOT!!! Salome, Lars | ||
E. Visser |
Hi all. Regarding the 249th contact note I find something odd.Ptaah and Billy are having a discussion about three different ET races that visit us.Ptaah than says that those races are unaware of the Plejarans existence. If those 3 races would research what consequences there actions have on our lives they could easily do this by just observing our media.When they would observe our media and ufo related news they would find Mr Meier's stories and photographs. Intelligent and curious beings would investigate further. In this light I find Ptaah's statement odd. The conversation between Ptaah and Billy continues with Ptaah saying that the 3 ET races maintain no contact with Earthlings at this time but do initiate "examination contacts".So basicly those 3 races are probably of the Grey type. When you read books about ufo's and contactee's they often dealt with ET's that looked quite similar to us.Accounts are quite numerous even if you would take half of those stories and discard the rest. Something to ponder on perhaps. Regards, TerraX. | ||
E. Visser |
Hi all. The 249th contact note briefly deals with cattle mutalations and Ptaah contributes it to 'non human' interventions.Namely predators that attacked cows and birds of prey that toke advantage of the remains. The cattle mutalation phenomanon is actually well documented.Cows have been found in the fields in North America with highly unusual wounds and missing bodyparts.This was done in a surgical way. In some instances the tung was removed,sometimes the lower jaw.Sometimes the rectum of a cow was missing.Sometimes there were punctures in the body of the cow and all the blood of the animal was somehow removed.A predatory animal couldn't have done that.Predatory animals are sloppy eaters and will make a mess of things.This was not evident. The latest theory who is responsible for this is a section of the US Army or Government.They take organic samples of animals in order to check radation levels from the nuclear testing they have been doing since the 1940's. Regards, TerraX. | ||
James the truthseeker |
Greetings TerraX, Billy did eventually mention that the cattle mutilations where the results of secret service groups, etc. I think the resean why these ETs may not be aware of the Plejaran existence should they observe the media is because the media has taken sides with Kal Korff who is always debunking Billy. Salome, James TT. | ||
E. Visser |
Hi James. After reading your comments it's safe to say that the 249th contact note was inaccurate regarding the cattle mutalations. Should the ET's that observe the media and decide that Karl Korff is right they would be pretty naieve,wouldn't they? Regards, TerraX. | ||
Lars |
Hi Ed and James TTS, Remenber Ptaah said in the 251 contact that they the (Pljarens) had to keep silent, and not reveal somethings about certain issues, due to the negative results which could acrue by these secret orders i.e. MIB, aliens, Nazis, If the Plejareans told Billy everything they know about such issues, it would undoubtably invite reconnaisance investigations towards Billy, and more thorough attempts to remove him from the scene. I'm quite sure the Plejarens are very informed about all of these mysteries. But they are wise and give out half -truths or complete denials where it serves a specific intent. Lars | ||
James the truthseeker |
Greetings TerraX & Lars, That is correct about the 251st contact and as I've mentioned many times before, the Plejarans will only give pieces of information concerning certian issues at certian times. If The ET's that observe the media decide that Kal Korff is right, then yes they would be pretty naive already as Ptaah himself stated that they were unaware of the Plejaran existance, so yes they are naive of the Plejarans being there. Salome, James TT. | ||
E. Visser |
Hi Lars&James. For security reasons it would be understandable that the Plejarans keep a litt on certain matters.If Mr Meier were to disclose governments dirty secrets his time would soon be up. About the Plejarans using half-truths and denails where it serves there intent speaks for itself. For beings that claim they evolved to a high spiritual level it's contradictory that they would have to resort to using half-truths and denails.Which comes very close to a lie. Mr Deardorff writes on his site that the Plejarans gave Mr Meier disinformation in order to make the Meier case not too convincing so people could decide for themselves if they want to accept it or not. Giving disinformation is not being Truthfull. Plain and simple. After reading so many acquisations by Mr Meier and the Plejarans off people being charlatans, deceivers, frauds and lairs perhaps they can look in the mirror and contemplate on there own methods. Regards, TerraX. | ||
Michael |
TerraX, If one honestly and objectively examines and evaluates the hard evidence and the prophetic scientific information in the Meier case it would be almost impossible to come to any other conclusion than that the material and Meier's experiences are genuine. But there are people, including some otherwise very smart ones, for whom having to accept the reality of what we take for granted would be unbearable and a violation of their free will. I have been in email discussion with an L.A.-based radio talk show host who fancies himself quite an expert on a wide variety of topics. Nonetheless, he refuses to even read Guido's book, which we offered to send him, let alone discuss the matter on his show. He is but one example of close- mindedness in this regard. Therefore, it appears to me to be consistent with the non-invasive principle to use a mechanism like denials or partial truths to let some people off the hook, so to speak, while others like ourselves are encouraged to dig deeper and get the answers for ourselves...which is part of what this whole thing is about. Also, here's a suggestion. Perhaps you could compose your emails on a Word document and employ their spell checking tools to clean up some errors before posting as a courtesy to the rest of us and as an aid for yourself. I am not immune to errors myself, none of us are, but if you have a problem perhaps with dyslexia or spelling it would serve you and us to tighten up the language. I say this without apology as I find that strengthening a weakness is a wise thing and nothing to be ashamed of. Michael | ||
E. Visser |
Hi Michael. In any of my posts did I say that Mr Meier is a fraud? Not in a single one.Feel free to check up on that.I just question things to increase my knowledge.If I would agree with everyone on every topic there's no point in debating. While English isn't my native language (perhaps you noticed) I do try to spell accurately but the more diffecult words can go wrong when I go to fast.The sentence structure itself may seem odd but I 'build' sentences according to my native language. The spell checker is a good idea.Sound advice for everyone on the board. Regards, TerraX. | ||
Michael |
Hi Terra, I wasn't implying that you said that Meier was a fraud. In using the example I gave I was referring to some worldly conditions and relating it to your complaint regarding the truthfulness of the Plejarans and/or Meier and their methods. My perspective is that their methods allow what we might call "wiggle room" for those who can't take the possible reality of the situation. So my point is that they are considering the maturity of the mass consciousness to handle truth, reality or whatever you wish to call it. In that sense they are being...considerate, to not inflict factual things upon those who are not willing or ready to deal with it. This is what I meant by my comments. And I didn't notice that English wasn't your first language, I just thought you had some spelling errors. I don't have your level of accomplishment with other languages, my German is primitive, my Italian only a little better, so I admire when people do so well in non-native tongues. It seems that, on the whole, Europeans and others have a much better approach to multi-lingual education than we do here. Michael | ||
JAY |
Hi Michael and TerraX, The Plejarans have done what they did the right way or the best possible way they understood our development will handle, you are so right in the approach and the way it has been handled by them. It has been a long toll, such like that of ancient times when GODS were here as well. No traces of their existence was left behind here on earth to say that the advancements they aquired were so high, they left just enough for us to know and see what has transpired. Unfortunately for the new generations of humans who converted most or all of what was handed, has turned into religion.  BE WELL Michael and TerraX | ||
E. Visser |
Hi all. In the 249th contact note something else came to my attention. Billy: What is behind this: Quetzal and Semjase explained to me once that Dan Fry, an American, actually did have contact with extraterrestials. He is said to have taken photos as well, but he later destroyed them; somebody made forgeries of them and attributed them to Fry. This is supposed to be the reason why none of Dan Fry's real photos of alien flying objects exist any longer. Even the story about the origin of the extraterrestials and their accounts was apperently thoroughly distorted. This is what Quetzal told me, but it never appeared in any contact report. Ptaah: That is exactly what happend. When I started reading that passage I was excited to see that one of the well known contactees actually was genuine but soon I was disappointed and disgusted. Afterall the conclusions are.No photographic evidence remains,the story is distorted which makes the entire contact case utterly useless. Another contactee bites the dust. One more time I shall highlight another contact case in a brief and detailed manner using the same criteria which are used as facts on this site in the Ufology section. Regards, TerraX. | ||
Edward |
Hi Terra-V... Hope you are doing fine... Well, back in the mid 70ties...I did get hand on Daniel Fry's book and I found it most interesting...from a man with such a Wise..and Peace-loving face. I could only say...from looking at him...he is telling the Truth. As I know also...his story was Distorted...but One just has to utilze One's Common Sence...in the Whole Objective of his Story. And some may know...he too...was Under Great stress. And there was more invalved then just meeting Aliens from space. The more I read about him the more the pieces...fit the Puzzle. Eventhough his Proof may be lost... One just has to take the word of the Plejarans...and One's Own 'Intuition'. In such case(s) One just has to accept it or not. Just like many other cases. 'Free Game.' Take Care...Be Healthy. Edward... | ||
E. Visser |
Hi Edward. Glad you asked about Dan Fry.As I explained in my previous post that in light of the comments on Dan Fry's case made by the Plejarans there is nothing left to verify it as accurate.If I use my common sense I would want to know how and why Dan Fry's story was distorted.Since there is no explanation given why Dan Fry's story got inaccurate I can not accept it. There's another matter.This is the third contactee that was negatively judged in the contact notes.Adamski was a fraud,Menger was a deceiver,Fry got distorted. Yet all these cases predated the Meier case! Yet all these cases have many if not all the elements that make the Meier case! No accurate information is given why those cases were false! I simply can not dismiss those cases on what is said in the contact notes.Even worse I find it suspicious.In one aspect the Meier case stands out, namely the debunking of other contactee's! Something I didn't think possible untill contributing on this board. TerraX. |
