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    Hugo Member Post Number: 639 Registered: 04-2015 |
Has Billy ever mentioned any clues or characteristics that help people to identify if they have an ET spirit form that is in one of the 144,000 groups? Also, are all the ET spirit forms on Earth only in one of those groups or can there be ET spirit forms here that are not in one of those two ET groups? Corey, why did you refer to the Getreuer as being heroes? | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 502 Registered: 10-2016 |
Hugo, Billy has never given characteristics that can help one identify if you belong to one of the two groups. You need AA for that. The two 144K groups are not the only reincarnating ET spirit-forms on Earth. The pool of ET spirit-forms currently reincarnating on Earth is 50 million, at least that's the number I once heard from Chrisitan Frehner. So you can definitely have an ET spirit-form from outside one of those two 144K groups. It really doesn't matter if you belong to one of those two groups, it shouldn't be more then a passing interest, don't lose yourself (or your inner tranquility) wondering if you belong to this group or that group, it will be a long time before our planet is able to tell who is what. It really doesn't matter when it boils down to it, what matters is what you make of the spiritual teaching in this life, how hard and how serious you make of your study of the FIGU books, this is what matters, what choices you currently make in your current lifetime. It's a part of how you identify with yourself inside yourself that is what really matters, not if you belong to this group or that group. I called them heroes because I read the updated, corrected Nokomemion book (German only). Salome, Corey Müske. -"Kelch der Wahrheit"/"Goblet of the Truth" ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 22:08: " Werdet ihr Menschen vom Unglück verfolgt und könnt ihr euer Leben nicht so harmonisch gestalten, wie ihr das gerne möchtet, dann vermögt ihr dies zu ändern, wenn ihr euch dem Einklang der kosmischen Ordnung und damit den schöpferischen Gesetzen und Geboten zuwendet und sie befolgt." 22:08: "If you human beings are pursued by the unfortune and are unable to form your lives as harmoniously as you would like, then you are able to change this if you turn to the consonance of the cosmic regulation and therefore to the creational laws and recommendations, and follow them." | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 640 Registered: 04-2015 |
Corey, As I mentioned a couple of times before in the archives I don't think I have an ET spirit form. I think the reason I found the Meier material is likely due to the 7's in my numerology chart. I just have a feeling that is why. I really struggle with the spirit teachings and is why I think I don't have an ET spirit form. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 984 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hugo, Once I began to learn from my study of the Goblet of the Truth, I came to two very important cognitions. First and most important, is the immensity of benefit and self-empowerment that comes from searching, fathoming and the recognitions of the spiritual teaching in my everyday life. Secondly, my spiritform (and all spiritforms) are a part piece of the Creation. Mighty and capable of recognizing all the lessons the Creation can and will impart through its entire existence and evolution up to and beyond the Absolute Absolutum. These two cognitions gave me the might to confidently strive in my daily learning and evolution. I too struggle in the sense that study is only the first part and must be followed up with fathoming and then the recognition comes. The power comes from the acknowledgement of the cognition, only then does its power reveal itself. So we should look forward to the "struggle" while we study. That is the actual gain. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Msmichelle Member Post Number: 494 Registered: 02-2010 |
Exactly, if you are struggling, that's fantastic MsMichelle | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 641 Registered: 04-2015 |
Corey, I forgot to say before that it was my friend that asked me if there was a way to find out if someone has an ET spirit form. There must be quiet a story behind the Getreuer for you to call them heroes. You will have to tell me why one day.  Eddieamartin, I like how you think! I'm currently struggling a lot with the book Might of the Thoughts. I read a couple of pages and then throughout the day I forgot most of what I just read. How am I supposed to contemplate the material when that happens? It makes me feel dumb. Funnily yesterday I heard Michael Uyttebroek (Figu Canada) say he only reads a page or a paragraph per day from the MOTT book. More then that he struggles. I think I may do the same now. I can't post a link to that new interview but if anyone wants to look they can search youtube = "Ohio Exopolitics - Michael Uyttebroek Discusses The Meier Spiritual Teaching". He says that at the around the 5:20 minute mark but the whole interview is worth listening to imo. | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 986 Registered: 08-2010 |
Hugo, I learned from the Goblet of the Truth these two things, which the AA-spiritform also speaks on in the book Arahat Athersata. In the Goblet of the Truth/Arahat Athersata it mentions these two "secrets" which is generally referred to as "consciousness based" or "consciousness form". For the transmission from the AA-spiritform, Billy is asked and he employs this "secret"... which is part of the "Secret Sciences" taught by the AA-spiritform in the book Arahat Athersata. Before we study the spiritual teaching, we should direct instructions to our consciousness and direct it to do what we want it to do for us. The Goblet of the Truth instructs that the consciousness works best with simple, concise and well thought out and constructed instruction... avoid unnecessary and long speech, because the Consciousness knows what you want. The Goblet of the Truth also instructs that each of us must develop our own system of study, based on our own experience during the learning/study process. I discovered the following system as I sought help from my consciousness by way of impulses and intuition through introspect and retrospect. I will use the book Arahat Athersata as example because of the interesting teaching/thinking style/form of the AA-spiritform sharing the Past/Present/Future - Cause & Effect - The Secret Sciences. The AA-spiritform explains in the book Arahat Athersata the following: 12. In my form, I know the spaceless and timeless communication which makes past and future current. The AA-spiritform articulates in a way we can process what is only capable as an Arahat Athersata, in other words, so that we can grasp the past/present/future in order to acquire/develop the Secret Sciences. So each segment or component of the transmission I liken to a jigsaw puzzle piece. This can be a few paragraphs or several paragraphs. The AA-spiritform recommends we "Search, Research, Recognize and Acknowledge." This is my system which I developed by way of impulses, intuition, introspect and retrospect: 1) I find a time/place where there will be no interruptions indoor/outdoor. 2) I may do a couple or few minutes of the meditation where I listen to the sound of air through my nostrils to clear and calm the mind. 3) Once I sense the mind is cleared and calm, I then pray to my consciousness. 4) First I acknowledge its oneness with the Creation and everything and all with which it co-exists, the Mightiness of the Creation and the might and power of my spiritform, as a part piece of the All Mighty Creation itself, and I acknowledge the might and power and abilities of my comprehensive-consciousness to grasp all/everything and then I instruct my consciousness with what I want from it or to do for me regarding what I study. 5) I read the jigsaw puzzle piece 3 to 7 times (depending on number of paragraphs) in a meditation frame of mind (truly focused on what I am reading). 6) Sometimes a paragraph or, a sentence within it, needs to be re-read (because now and then an unrelated thought interrupts the processing of what I am reading). 7) Often times, I read a sentence in variables of speed (pace) because my mind will process the information contained in the sentence or paragraph better at one of the various paces. As I gain better understandings or cognitions, for example, from reading a paragraph or a sentence contained in it, I then fully ingrain it by sheer contemplation, knowing that it is now in my subconscious mind and I instruct my consciousness to deliver its impulses when I come across it in my daily life, thinking and so forth. My consciousness has yet to fail me, even when I have dismissed or failed to adhere to the impulses. But after retrospect, I remember the instruction in the Goblet of the Truth which teaches us to simply learn from this experience, not develop any vexation but to apply ourselves as often as it is necessary until we develop a highest-relative form/ability to listen to our better inner-selves. Salome, Eddie In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says: Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3) | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 503 Registered: 10-2016 |
Hugo, I can tell you that the Getreuer are the fulfillers of the great Nokodemion/Henok mission. They are the ones that will fulfill the millions of years task to re-equalise the universe. Henok is almost as famous of a person as Nokodemion out in space, as when the Nokodemion spirit-form came back into the cycle of reincarnation he became Henok for several cycles and spread the spiritual teaching (and things such as proper meditation techniques) out to all the known universes for millions of years. And the Getreuer worked with Henok as his team, chosen by the Nokodemion spirit-form to accomplish the great Nokodemion/Henok mission, and they were prepped simultaneously by the Petale and Arahat Athersate pure-spirit levels for four million years so they could accomplish their critical mission. They have been at their critical mission for 12 million years, 4 million years being prepped, and 8 million years back in the reincarnation cycles on various worlds (4 + 8 = 12). Even the Plejaren mission on Earth, and Billy's role as a true prophet on Earth are all "sublets" to the great Nokodemion/Henok mission, and now it's the Earth's turn to receive the great spiritual teaching, and it's the Earth's turn to return home to the laws and the recommendations of the Creation, as these are the very important laws to follow that govern the universe itself. The "Goblet of the Truth" has to become a part of Earth law as soon as possible for the Earth to become back to the good-bearing side of things, on the right side of history = back to the laws and the recommendations of the Creation before society collapses (which will affect both the bottom and the top of our society to the detriment), before we destroy ourselves, or before the unthinkable happens such as an atmospheric collapse due to overpopulation which will kill billions, and future Earth living will be a lot like Mars living (under the bio-dome). This is not something we would collectively want, nor desire. The Plejaren have all the great former deeds of the Getreuer recorded in their annals, as do they have Nokodemion's and Henok's stories recorded in their annals. I once asked Billy what role do the Getreuer have in future Earth times? His answer was "the future will show what will happen. They will continue with the mission." (end of Billy's answer recorded in blue). They are only here on this planet until the year 3999 when they will be escorted to other worlds by extraterrestrials and forwarded to their true home the high-council, which is the same year the Nokodemion spirit-form will be returned to the Arahat Athersata pure-spirit level. These people are just on "loan" until the mission is accomplished, and now it's the Earth's turn to be re-equalised while they accomplish their mission. Salome, Corey Müske. -"Kelch der Wahrheit"/"Goblet of the Truth" ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 22:08: " Werdet ihr Menschen vom Unglück verfolgt und könnt ihr euer Leben nicht so harmonisch gestalten, wie ihr das gerne möchtet, dann vermögt ihr dies zu ändern, wenn ihr euch dem Einklang der kosmischen Ordnung und damit den schöpferischen Gesetzen und Geboten zuwendet und sie befolgt." 22:08: "If you human beings are pursued by the unfortune and are unable to form your lives as harmoniously as you would like, then you are able to change this if you turn to the consonance of the cosmic regulation and therefore to the creational laws and recommendations, and follow them." | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 504 Registered: 10-2016 |
Just a note to my other post in queue: page 97 of the updated, corrected Nokodemion book indicates that after the mission is universe-wide, with no chance of set-backs is when the Getreuer will be forwarded to the high-council level, and when the Nokodemion spirit-form will be forwarded to the Arahat Athersata pure-spirit level. There was an update in the following Nokodemion booklet (that came out recently) that indicates it's the year 3999 that is when the Nokodemion spirit-form will be returned to the Arahat Athersata pure-spirit level. Perhaps after he changes forms (and returns to Arahat Athersata), after the year 3999 the Getreuer will still be performing the great Nokodemion/Henok mission out in space in his absence, until the mission is universe-wide with no chance of set-backs like page 97 of the Nokodemion book states perhaps only then will the Getreuer be forwarded to their true home, the high-council level. Maybe the universe itself will benefit from these people's mission for a long time to come. Salome, Corey Müske. -"Kelch der Wahrheit"/"Goblet of the Truth" ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 22:08: " Werdet ihr Menschen vom Unglück verfolgt und könnt ihr euer Leben nicht so harmonisch gestalten, wie ihr das gerne möchtet, dann vermögt ihr dies zu ändern, wenn ihr euch dem Einklang der kosmischen Ordnung und damit den schöpferischen Gesetzen und Geboten zuwendet und sie befolgt." 22:08: "If you human beings are pursued by the unfortune and are unable to form your lives as harmoniously as you would like, then you are able to change this if you turn to the consonance of the cosmic regulation and therefore to the creational laws and recommendations, and follow them." | ||
Hugo Member Post Number: 642 Registered: 04-2015 |
Eddieamartin, That all makes good sense! The AA book seems very similar written to the Goblet of the Truth. I look forward to getting it later. | ||
Gerald_lry New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2020 |
Hello All Figu Team Were there incarnations of Nokodemion in Scandinavian peoples etc...? Salome | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 773 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hello Gerald_Iry, Here is a Nokodemion Lineage drawing for you to review. https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Reference%20Material/Spiritual/Lineage-Genealogy-sec.pdf Hope this helps, PatM | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 799 Registered: 07-2006 |
For those interested: Detail around Jmmanuel's brothers and sisters has been added to the Nokodemion Lineage-Genealogy drawing. See/download the updated drawing at: https://creationaltruth.org/Portals/0/Documents/Reference%20Material/Spiritual/Lineage-Genealogy-sec.pdf Hope this helps PatM | ||
Lemontree Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 08-2012 |
Hi, In the presentation about Nokodemion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6q_z6b7Zms&t=1607s) it says the spiritual levels Petale, etc., spent 1.2 billion years "planning" the process of putting Nokodemion's spirit form back in a material body. And he wanted to do this because the ancestors of his people went bad... But by the time they finished their "planning" these people would have already ended their whole evolution cycle which is around 40-60 million years (or longer in some cases but I guess not a billion years long). So does time pass differently in the spirit levels? Or how can one explain this? Thanks | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 2447 Registered: 07-2005 |
Good question lemontree I haven't encountered an answer to your question in the material although I am certain that it is answered indirectly somewhere by Billy and the Plejaren. I guess we are encouraged to think for ourselves and to come to our own conclusions. Human beings beget children and the children beget their own offspring and the children's children further beget their own in an endless cycle of birth, coming into being and the passing. The Chinese will continue to be Chinese irrespective of how many generations passes just as Nokodemjon's people will likewise be Nokodemjon's people irrespective of which generation they are and how many years have passed since Nokodemjon created his peoples. So whether 100 years had passed or 1.2 billion years had passed the genetic, cultural, spiritual, historical and racial heritage will remain despite the galaxial diaspora of the Nokodemjon's people in every nook and cranny of this universe. So my conjecture and assumption is that whatever your spirit form was it was already created by Creation incarnating around the universe before it incarnated into the Nokodemjon peoples when he came along instead of starting from scratch at its inception to initially start out as his people. Who knows you could also be the progeny of the ur ur ur ur ur ur ur ur ancestor of the original Nokodemjon people who is tied to the mission. Never know. Matt lee | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 04-2020 |
Hi Lemontree If memory serves me correctly, I remember reading that the spirit-forms of those involved that you refer to in your post, were held up in the spirit-realm and prevented from reincarnating during that long time period; because, it was clear that they were devolving and not evolving. And that the long passage of time was necessary for a type of re-setting from all the negative impulses. But again, I am going by memory and when I find the relevant passage again I will post it so that the exact wording can speak for itself. Regards Bob | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1234 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hi Patm, Quick question and clarification. In the Nokodemion Lineage – Genealogy chart, it depicts Ezechiel (Ezekeel) and Keridwena as sisters. I was under the impression that Ezechiel is a masculine name? Would Ezechiel and Keridwena then be brother and sister?  Salome Kenneth | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1234 Registered: 04-2013 |
Hi Patm, Quick question and clarification. In the Nokodemion Lineage – Genealogy chart, it depicts Ezechiel (Ezekeel) and Keridwena as sisters. I was under the impression that Ezechiel is a masculine name? Would Ezechiel and Keridwena then be brother and sister? Salome Kenneth | ||
Lemontree Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 08-2012 |
Yes Bob I think you're referring to what's mentioned in the same video, at 21:49: https://youtu.be/t6q_z6b7Zms?t=1306 But that happened after his return from the spiritual level, not during or before the planning process. | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 845 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hi Kenneth, Ezechiel (Ezekeel) is the son of Gabriel and the father of both Casil and Sfath. Keridwena is also the daughter of Gabriel and Ezechiel's sister This also makes Ezechiel the step-brother and Keridwena the step-sister of Jmmanuel. Hope this helps to better understand the drawing. Salome PatM | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 04-2020 |
Hello Lemontree. I went to the book that was referenced in the video, The Story of Nokodemion,(Billy), by Bernadette Brand (with the valued help and support from Billy and Ptaah) to refresh my memory and to seek some clarification on the numbers. From page 9: To assume that the spirit forms after entering the semi-material level <high> resp. would only passively evolve into the subtle pure spirit levels from Arahat Athersala to Petale and beyond as part of creation is unrealistic and stupid, because every spirit form retains its material life of 40 to 80 million years for the entire further duration of its existence (or 80 to 200 million years of total evolution including stays in the hereafter) created and shaped <spirit>, which also evolves in the pure spirit levels individually, but in community and in unity with all other spirit forms of the respective level. Anzunehmen, dass die Geistformen nach dem Eingang in die halbmaterielle Ebene <hoher> resp. in die feinstofflichen Reingeist-Ebenen von Arahat Athersala bis Petale und darüber hinaus als Teil der Schöpfung nur noch passiv evolutionieren würden, ist wirklichkeitsfremd und dumm, denn jede Geistform behädlt für die gesamte weitere Dauer ihrer Existenz ihre während 40 bis 80 Millionen Jahren materiellen Lebens (bzw. 80 bis 200 Millionen Jahre Gesamtevolution inkl. Jenseitsaufenthalte) geschaffene und geprägte <geist-lndividualität> bei, die auch in den Reingeist-Ebenen individuell, jedoch in Gemeinschaft und in Einheitlichkeit mit allen anderen Geistfome der jeweiligen Ebene weiterevolutioniert. So, if the years spent in the spirit-realm in between incarnations is included, then that number swells up to 200 million. But that's still well short of a billion. But now let us look further on page 14: In recognition of the fact that the imparted spiritual doctrine had partly been lost and, on the other hand, also falsified and had only caused the greatest disaster and most vicious degenerations in the very, very distant descendants of the indigenous peoples, because they misused their knowledge according to their own will and cannibalized and carried their degenerations into the vastness of the universe, the (Arahat Athersata) plane, in which the Nokodemion spirit form evolved at this time, turned to the Petale plane for help. During 1.6 billion years the decision was made in the plains of Arahat Athersata and Petale and all precautions were taken to enable the spirit form of Nokodemions to return to a human life, that is, to a human body, to the very, very distant descendants of his to teach indigenous peoples and their early descendants - who in the meantime had already developed up to the level of the High Council - the teaching of truth, the teaching of the Spirit, the teaching of life. Anzunehmen, dass die Geistformen nach dem Eingang in die halbmaterielle Ebene <hoher> resp. in die feinstofflichen Reingeist-Ebenen von Arahat Athersala bis Petale und darüber hinaus als Teil der Schöpfung nur noch passiv evolutionieren würden, ist wirklichkeitsfremd und dumm, denn jede Geistform behädlt für die gesamte weitere Dauer ihrer Existenz ihre während 40 bis 80 Millionen Jahren materiellen Lebens (bzw. 80 bis 200 Millionen Jahre Gesamtevolution inkl. Jenseitsaufenthalte) geschaffene und geprägte <geist-lndividualität> bei, die auch in den Reingeist-Ebenen individuell, jedoch in Gemeinschaft und in Einheitlichkeit mit allen anderen Geistfome der jeweiligen Ebene weiterevolutioniert. So the earlier descendants did indeed make it up to the spirit levels, but the latter descendants who were given fresh spirit-forms, had strayed from the teaching and were in trouble. The translation is mine and may contain errors. Regards Bob | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 3202 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Bob, Was this information from the 1st or 2nd Edition of The Story of Nokodemion? The 2nd Edition does have some updated and corrected information. Here is a short Timeline of the Nokodemion Spiritform: https://californiaforfigu.org/blog-home/timeline | ||
Kenneth Member Post Number: 1235 Registered: 04-2013 |
PatM, Thanks for the information, that does help. It was getting late for me and I misread the relationship between Ezechiel and Keridwena as sisters instead of Ezechiel's sister… Thank you Salome Kenneth |
