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Tat_tvam_asi
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2022 - 05:36 am: | 
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Terra anno 11,500 – 9,500 BCE / 3 Main Sources
(Most of the following may be known to Forum members.)
There are 3 credible sources:
- The priest of Sais speaking to Solon
- Semjase telling Billy
- Edgar Cayce’s Readings
- The priest of Sais (speaking to Solon around 556 BCE) seems to hint that a mixing of races (Atlanteans with non-Atlantean humans) or the adoption of Earth human behavior patterns (materialistic desires) led to the Atlanteans growing aggression, unrighteous power and avarice:
“The godlike strain was gradually diluted among them because it often was mixed with mortal stock and human nature gained the upper hand. They became evil, unable to bear their riches with restraint behaved unseemly and to him who had an eye to see grew visibly debased for they were losing the fairest of their precious gifts. But to those who had no eye to see the true happiness they appeared glorious and blessed at the very time when they were full of avarice and unrighteous power.”
- There are parallels to present day humans - Billy (OM):
“… the present Earth human’s sense of effort toward seeking the truth has disappeared… he has turned to the erroneous form of thinking that he will (“Aristotle” like) only accept as true that which he can touch with his hands and that which he can see with his eyes and that which he can hear with his ears.
But this is the false, purely material way, which mocks and scorns any effort of self-thinking, self-feeling, self-searching, self-seeking and self recognition for every truth….”
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According to Semjase the 2000 years before Atlantis was destroyed (9498 BCE) was the period when the revenge-hungry, seditious Arus and his followers returned to Earth. All his people were taught “in the art of war and in the most outrageous intrigues”, they “pushed into the cities of Mu and Greater Atlantis “through acts of war” –, they infiltrated the ruling classes in these two cities and stirred up “malicious machinations between the Atlanteans and the citizens of Mu”… It was a time when “world wide wars blazed on our planet”…
Details see https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_060
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Edgar Cayce may not have Semjase’s detailed knowledge but confirms the impending final destruction in many of his readings. They imply that there was a foreknowledge of the coming destruction and that a select few were chosen to be saved. And that it was those “who would be saved ” who then taught other earth humans some of their Atlantean skills / knowledge before leaving the planet:
– “In Atlantis when there was the knowledge that there soon was to be the destruction of that land and there were attempts of individuals to leave the land…” –
“… and it had been given out that those that would or were to be saved must journey to the various centers to which the leaders had been given the passports…” (663-2)
“When the “children of the law of one” (= Atlanteans seeking to evolve spiritually)) realized that there was the final breaking up of Poseidon Atlantis there were the emigration of the leaders to the various lands” (Reading 1007-3, 1938)
“in Atlantean land when turmoils and strife arose from rejections of tenets of the Law of One (set by Atlanteans wanting to evolve spiritually) and there was egress from that city of Poseidian land (= main Atlantean island) when upheavals began (Reading 813-1)
“ in Atlantean land when rebellions brought about separation in the isles and upheavals in the lands (441-1)
“In Atlantean land when there were those disturbances due to confusion arising between those in authority that would make for the universality of knowledge of all nature and those that held for caste or position…” (1302-2)
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Bermunda to Billy in CR 797:
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_797
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Quetzal discussing the Inevitability of Apophis event in CR 150
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_150
497. You know very well that this will be the case and that we are not allowed to halt this event.
498. The cosmic powers have pre-programmed this event, which could only be stopped or prevented by Earth humanity themselves.
499. In their materialistic and misled disunity and in their megalomania, however, they disregard all warnings and prophecies, so what is going to happen is probably inevitable, as admonition and punishment, if you want to see it that way.
500. And as this warning and vengeance must occur, we are not allowed to take any steps in order to prevent the occurrence.
501. Earth humanity should listen to your words and warnings, but that especially they do not do.
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(Edgar Cayce – Reading 364-1)
‘Be it true that there is the fact of reincarnation, and that (entities *)) that once occupied such an environs (i.e. Atlantis) are entering the earth’s sphere and inhabiting individuals in the present, is it any wonder that - if they made such alterations in the affairs of earth in their day, as to bring destruction upon themselves – if they are entering now, they might make many changes in the affairs of peoples and individuals in the affairs of peoples and individuals in the present.”
Edgar Cayce gave readings to 1600 people. 700 of them (= 43.75 %) had at least one incarnation in Atlantis.
*) NB: We must take into account that Edgar Cayce did not know Billy or the Spirit Teaching (he died in 1945). So, naturally, he would use the terms he knew from his Christian religion.
In the text above he used the words “souls” for ‘entities’.
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Petale advising us terrestrials
(From the introduction of Billy’s book Genesis –)
(My translation may contain mistakes)
16. No true prophets ever were and ever will be assigned to you to bring you peace in the worldly life.
17. True prophets bring you discord in the worldly life as well as struggle and strife with yourself and with your neighbour, because the truthful prophets do not bring you worldly successes and worldly life, but the all-great-timely life as BEING in relative perfection of the spirit, [this is] what you have to work out by the power and activity of your consciousness and which is foreign to the knowledge of the ones who think materialistically and which incites them in their materialistic form of thinking to resentment [discord], so they become the enemy of the spiritual knowledge and the prophets and his knowing-ones, which they curse, so it will also be with you and your true last prophet of the modern times, who is the seventh and last member of the Nokodemion line.
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Tat_tvam_asi
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| | Posted on Wednesday, December 14, 2022 - 09:30 pm: |
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Before it is too late
Our present is an effect of our past.
If this is true then what is the “true cause” for the hostilities, intrigues, motivations in our time? It may seem far-fetched and “conspiratorial” for many but I cannot but regard the events of our time as integral parts of the great challenge that mankind has to master to overcome the mistakes made in 9498 BCE.
Firstly, the Atlantis cataclysm (1) was a cause for which there has not yet been an effect.
Which is to say, to overcome a failure one is challenged again and again until one employs a more successful strategy. With regards to the Atlantis Apocalypse this repeat-challenge could not have happened before our time: It is only post 1945 that similar weapons were developed as the ones which destroyed Mu. But as Bermunda tells us in CR 797 same “overpowering (piercing) ‘feeling of revenge …’ which drove Arus’ cohorts underlies as well the warring in our time (2).
As for the weapon of Mu, the asteroid that destroyed Atlantis, the looming danger of the Apophis meteor is – as Quetzal tells us in CR 150 – “pre-programmed by cosmic powers” (3) but seemingly ignored / belittled / forgotten by most governments and MSM.
Secondly, we live, as Edgar Cayce’s readings prove, in a time in which many of the people that lived in Atlantis are reborn(4): EC gave readings to 1600 people. 700 of them (= 43.75 %) had at least one incarnation in Atlantis. And he foretold that these people are reborn today that they “they might make many changes in the affairs of peoples and individuals in the affairs of peoples and individuals in the present” (Reading 364-1)
And finally, for an event of such magnitude is it not only fitting that ours is the time of the last and true prophet (5)?
But when the “truth of a great prophet” enters a planetary sphere then, due to the Law of Contrariness (“Planetary Homeostasis”), there will as well be an equally great opposite force.
This opposite force, the 'great untruth in our world', is what mankind has to master. It could do so by listening to the truth: I write this because like in pre-9498 BCE, there is an escalating war at our doorstep. And it is only commonsense that our leaders call for reasoned discussions and stopping the escalating “kill and destroy”.
Before it is again too late.
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Joseph_emmanuel
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| | Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2022 - 02:17 am: |
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Firstly, the Atlantis cataclysm (1) was a cause for which there has not yet been an effect.
Which is to say, to overcome a failure one is challenged again and again until one employs a more successful strategy. With regards to the Atlantis Apocalypse this repeat-challenge could not have happened before our time: It is only post 1945 that similar weapons were developed as the ones which destroyed Mu.
As for the weapon of Mu, the asteroid that destroyed Atlantis, the looming danger of the Apophis meteor is – as Quetzal tells us in CR 150 – “pre-programmed by cosmic powers”
Is it the case then that the effect is always as great as the cause in every situation, and that, therefore, the only way to lessen the effect is by lessening the cause? |
Maryam
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| | Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2022 - 08:23 am: |
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Thank you truly Tat, very lucid connections you have made and appears to be woefully so. I agree with your pressing notion to warn others (well those whom are open to it), so I do make such efforts when the opportunity arises, albeit even most of those whom appear to display interest, or avow to want to know, after the fact, close their eyes from seeing and ears from hearing and ask for proof ... Nevertheless, that does not deter me from continuing to make efforts.
Peace be with you - Maryam
Carpe Diem (Seize the Day)
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Tat_tvam_asi
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| | Posted on Thursday, December 15, 2022 - 10:50 am: |
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Add-On to Post 1996
(“Why historians and scientists regard Plato’s account of Atlantis as untrue”)
One further reason was that Aristotle, Plato’s most famous student, ridiculed Plato's Atlantis explaining that the land beyond Okeanos was no more than an invention of Plato’s mind. And Aristotle’s opinion counted. Because his doctrine of God as the first unmoved mover is not only the main point of his metaphysics. It was as well adopted by most Judeo-Muslim-Christian religions.
In fact, the Muslims translated Aristotle’s philosophies and made them a part of early Islamic philosophy. And due to this support by the major religions his books were not burned but well-kept. And hardly any scientist would ever query his works: If Aristotle said Atlantis is but an imagined tale, then this was deemed to be true. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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| | Posted on Friday, December 16, 2022 - 01:54 am: |
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Thank you, Maryam for your understanding.
I think the U-invasion has made many people insecure. Not outwardly but deep in their mind they are rattled to witness that “shoot first” not “plebiscites first”, not "law and order and reasoned discussions" but "military armaments-tests" do the talking.
This war has to stop.
Not just for the soldiers and people in R and U. Not just because the escalation of "more troops – more weapons" – will have a fatal ending for many: People worldwide may lose their trust in authority if it continues. They want peace and law and order to return. And they are right. |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Good question, thank you, Joseph.
Well, according to A.C. Llyod (1) in medieval times there was a dogma that a cause must be greater or equal to its effect. E.g., Descartes in proofing the existence of God argued that only a perfect being (cause) could result in humans possessing the idea of perfection (effect). We can explain this imbalance with the tendency of many religions to tip the scales in favor of their imagined God (“the uncaused cause”).
But in our way of viewing existence the principle of equality / balance rules this universe and all its living beings. I.e., the universe and all its subordinated living beings are self-balancing / self-regulating systems which continually adjust to the conditions that are best for the survival of the whole (e.g., homeostasis for the human body). Based on this view one would conclude that the effects are equally strong as the causes.
But many times, the effects do not immediately happen after the cause (2). And in the interim period between the cause and the effect many actions can take place which change the gravity of the effect. E.g., a human being who acts wrongly hurting others may realize his mistake and make amends by compassionately helping the victim(s) or other people and thus lessen the effect of his deed.
So, in answering your question:
A cause cannot be undone or lessened per se: What is done remains done.
What we can change is the magnitude of the effect:
I.e., we can “overplay” our memory of our failing with the images of many new and good deeds thus freeing our self-consciousness of the guilt burden.
This process can be set in motion by admitting / accepting responsibility for our mistake and determining to make amends.
Genesis / Chapter
“The Suffering Carries The Truth“
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67. Therefore, if you commit mistakes (relative guilt = relative sin) in this life, you make good/atone for them by the harm you suffer and by the doing good again, whereby you become innocent again, blameless and 'sinless', while at the same time you also acquire the knowledge of the mistake (the guilt/sin), i.e. You complete the teaching through suffering, whereby you learn not to commit the mistake again, which means that by recognizing and rectifying the mistake you will not commit it again and become more evolved.
(German Original / my translation may contain mistakes) Kapitel:
“Das Leid trägt die Lehre der Wahrheit“
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67. So du daher in diesem Leben Fehler (relative Schuld = relative Sünde) begehst, sühnst du dafür durch den dir entstehenden Schaden sowie mit der Wiedergutmachung, wodurch du also wieder unschuldig wirst, schuldlos und ‹sündefrei› wobei du gleichzeitig auch das Wissen um den Fehler (die Schuld/Sünde) erlangst, also die Lehre durch das Leid absolvierst, wodurch du lernst, den Fehler nicht mehr zu begehen, was da bedeutet, dass du durch das Erkennen und Beheben des Fehlers diesen nicht ein andermal begehst und evolutionierter wirst.
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"The Principle That The Cause Is Greater Than Its Effect" (1976) published on JSTOR
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E.g., it took (9498 BCE – 1945 AD = ) 11,443 years before nuclear weapons were again WMDs.
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Tat_tvam_asi
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| | Posted on Friday, December 16, 2022 - 05:39 am: |
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In correlation to the Atlantis Event:
If one were to describe the period 1945 to now (threat of nuclear weapons) the Priest of Sais' analysis would most likely best describe our world today: There is no inclination to lower the magnitude of the effect but a continuous escalation of more / faster nuclear WMD.
" ... But to those who had no eye to see the true happiness they appeared glorious and blessed at the very time when they were full of avarice and unrighteous power.” |
Joseph_emmanuel
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| | Posted on Friday, December 16, 2022 - 08:16 am: |
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Tat_tvam_asi
But many times, the effects do not immediately happen after the cause (2). And in the interim period between the cause and the effect many actions can take place which change the gravity of the effect.
Why has it taken 11,443 years for the effect caused by the destruction of Atlantis to come about? I understand that's how long it has taken humans to be able to build nuclear weapons and recreate a similar possible scenario that happened all that time ago, but why does the effect require a similar scenario and a possible repetition of the same mistake? Why wasn't it possible to make good/atone for the destruction of Atlantis during the 11,443 years? Was it because the spirit-forms of those who lived in Atlantis and caused its destruction were not able to reincarnate on Earth until humans were sufficiently evolved, and so now they find themselves in similar circumstances?
Edgar Cayce gave readings to 1600 people. 700 of them (= 43.75 %) had at least one incarnation in Atlantis.
That was in the 40s. So they've been around at least since then. But not before that time?
Is the current global situation that could lead to a world war, therefore, an Atlantean created situation or is it an Earth human created situation? And if it is an Earth human created situation, then how will Atlanteans learn from this and make good/atone for their mistake? |
Tat_tvam_asi
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| | Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2022 - 01:57 am: |
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The Cause Of The Current Global Situation
“Is the current global situation that could lead to a world war, therefore, an Atlantean created situation or is it an Earth human created situation? And if it is an Earth human created situation, then how will Atlanteans learn from this and make good/atone for their mistake?”
IMO:
What we witness in our time is an “earth human created situation” which ultimately ariose out of 2 competing and opposing systems of thought seeking world domination. But this struggle creates as well environmental dangers (threat of nuclear weapons) similar to those which existed in pre-9498 BCE Atlantis. And these potential dangers give – as Edgar Cayce remarks - reincarnating Atlanteans a chance to warn humanity (1).
As for Apophis …
By extension, EC’s assertion (1) may as well be applied for Mu’s scientists reincarnating in our time: That is to say, the ‘pre-programmed’ Apophis meteor which threatens to hit central Europe (between the North Sea and the Black Sea) may give them a chance to warn leading Earth scientists of the potential danger. As the blue race keeps a distance to the rest of mankind one could imagine telepathic (?) assistance. But this assistance would require that all nations on our globe be united and in peace.
Please note
These are my own thoughts only. There is no CR information that supports these thoughts. Neither are there any corresponding Edgar Cayce readings or predictions mentioning Mu scientists reincarnating in our time.
204. All unreal suggestions and human imaginations will be corrected by stating: "I, the human, am a part of Creation that, as a fragment, as spirit, enlivens me."
Semjase in CR 10
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_010
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(1) EC explaining how reincarnating Earth humans may atone for their failings in past lives:
“… is it any wonder that - if they made such alterations in the affairs of earth in their day, as to bring destruction upon themselves – if they are entering now, they might make many changes in the affairs of peoples and individuals in the affairs of peoples and individuals in the present.”
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Tat_tvam_asi
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| | Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2022 - 03:24 am: |
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The Thought Creates Reality
I should add that (not only warning others but) setting aside some time to meditate for peace may assist in changing the present situation. We know for instance that the Figu Peace Meditation brought us Gorbachev’s perestroika and glasnost. Still, we are warned that the time that follows could bring us another WW:
Billy
“This has been well averted since the year 1989, due to mighty universal peace-powers, meaning also the total atomic destruction of the Earth globe, but averted is not the danger of the Third World War, which already glimmers again in its bud, stirred up by religious fanatics. And if this war actually does occur, then this will happen mightily and unexpectedly, when Man of this Earth still lies down peacefully to sleep in the evening, to be torn from his peaceful slumber by war cries: And it will be so if he does not presently change his mind for the good, and for the way of Spirit and in love, peace and harmony…
…The appearance of Gorbachev and the dissolving of the former DDR (East Germany) made possible by him, is an example of the effectiveness of the peace meditation. Another example is the prevention of the Third World War - for the time being which, according to the earlier prophecies would have broken out by the middle of the nineteen-eighties, if it had not been halted by the peace meditation and by additional impulses of the Plejadians/Plejarians stimulating common-sense in Earth humanity.”
Source:
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Prophetien_und_Voraussagen_(Book)#Introduction
See as well:
https://www.theyfly.com/prophecies-predictions
Please note
This is a Peace Meditation weekend.
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Tat_tvam_asi
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| | Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2022 - 07:47 pm: |
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A possible explanation for the Tik Tok UFOs?
Excerpt of post 2015 above:
“By extension, EC’s assertion (1) may as well be applied for Mu’s scientists reincarnating in our time: That is to say, the ‘pre-programmed’ Apophis meteor which threatens to hit central Europe (between the North Sea and the Black Sea) may give them a chance to warn leading Earth scientists of the potential danger.”
Could this perhaps explain the UAP’s in our skies switching nuclear sites and installations on and off. In the context of what happened once to MU it would make sense.
L. Elizondo:
“…That is one of the security concerns we have for the national perspective nuclear that there does seem to be some congruency or sort of intersection between these UAP sightings and our nuclear technologies like nuclear propulsion, nuclear power generations or nuclear weapons systems. Furthermore, the same observation have been made in other countries – they, too, had the same incidences – so that tells that is a global issue."
More details see
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/19338.html#POST93039
Please note
These are my own thoughts only. There is no CR information that supports these thoughts. Neither are there any corresponding Edgar Cayce readings or predictions mentioning Mu scientists reincarnating in our time.
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Jokubas_stalmokas
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| | Posted on Sunday, December 18, 2022 - 01:17 am: |
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Tat_tvam_asi,
I would also guess the demonstration where they can interfere in nuclear weapons by switching on and off is to make them unreliable. What if in real nuclear case scenario yours 'malfunctions' and the enemys won't? Could this also work as a deterrence? |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Yes, deterrence seems to be the hidden message...
"Look we can switch off your means of being powerful" - is this not what they want to convey? I think they have realized that the possession of nuclear arms increases a willingness to aggression that could ruin our planet which - if it were people from the blue race - is as well their home planet. Thus, if it were the people from Agartha, they would have a vital interest in telling us that we should not use nuclear explosives or think we were invincible due to having a large arsenal of these WMDs.
NB
I thought initially that the Tik Tok UFOs may be related to the Earth Foreigners (1). But I now think that it may be the blue race: It would make sense that the very time in which many pre-9498 BCE Atlanteans are reborn is as well the time when many of the pre 9498 BCE Mu people are reborn, too: Ours is a time in which the destructive weaponry of 9498 BCE may again threaten our planet.
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From CR 710:120-122 *) we may conclude that they (Long Skulls) are the people that Billy calls "Erdfremde" (Earth foreigners): Billy argues that these Earth foreigners have a right to stay on our planet, too, because they have visited/lived on it for a very long time. As we are told that they were assisting in building the original pyramids ca. 73,300 years ago, and lived in many countries (esp. Egypt) ever since. Their origin may be the Orion Constellation (the Egyptian pyramids symbolize the Hunter's Belt) - Details see CR222:40-41
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_222
*) CR 710:120-122
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_710
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Jokubas_stalmokas
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| | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2022 - 11:48 pm: |
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Tat_tvam_asi,
I was thinking from military complex perspective on using nuclear weapons agai st other countries. They have to find ways how to rebuild systems for effective use again. The plan is still Russia/China and the ufo's is least of their concern at the moment. They know they are not a threat.
Here is an excerpt from recent article I read:
In a recent press conference, the Russian President expressed concern that the United States might be planning a nuclear strike against Russia. Of course, Putin didn't phrase the matter so roughly, but what he said left little doubt that that was exactly what he meant. Here is an excerpt of his words:
The United States has a "pre-emptive strike" theory... Now they are developing a "disarmament strike" system. What does that mean? It means attacking the control centers with modern, high-tech weaponry to destroy the opponent's ability to counterattack.”
And also:
'And what’s more troubling, is that US Doctrine has been so grossly expanded that could be construed to include almost anything. For example, according to the recently-released Nuclear Posture Review(NPR), nuclear weapons can be used: “in extreme circumstances to defend the vital interests of the United States or its allies and partners.”'
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My hypothesis is that military complex will modernize and make these weapons more complex and overwhelming in rapid launches that switching them all off will not be that easy anymore. |
Kenneth
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Greetings Bill (Tat_tvam_asi),
Regarding Cause and Effect.
In my opinion and food for thought. A Cause and Effect does not necessarily end or nullify with the related Effect. From studying historical events it appears that a particular Cause will have a rippling with the associated Effect’s.
For instance, when a rock is thrown into a large pond of water, let’s say that the Cause is the rock hitting the water, the ripple is the Effect. But there is not just one ripple as we all know. So, it appears that a Cause can have a multitude of repeating Effects.
This may apply with Atlantis, Apophis etc., etc.
Kind regards
Kenneth |
Tat_tvam_asi
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“… It appears that a Cause can have a multitude of repeating Effects
Greetings, Kenneth.
Definitely. If we take e.g., COVID-19: Ptaah tells us that after a (symptomatic/asymptomatic) infection with this virus a person may seemingly be healthy again but he is, due to his previous COVID-19 infection, struck down more seriously when he falls ill with other sicknesses. So, yes, there may be multiple repeating effects.
Before I continue:
Whatever I mention(ed) is but a hypothesis.
I am not all-knowing.
The main purpose of my writing was to draw attention to the fact that the events we witness today are going back much further than the present or even the 'history of our history books'. I mentioned Atlantis because this was the last time when our world encountered a nuclear holocaust. But while Edgar Casey (in his book about Atlantis) is right to point out that people seek rebirth when they see an opportunity to "make changes in the affairs of peoples" (1) this may not only include people from Atlantis.
Indeed, the CRs mention that “many of today's Earth-humans“ are reincarnations of an earlier time which the OM calls the “beginning of sorrow and all evils on the Earth” (2): The first nuclear war destruction of our planet by Semjasa and Asael. Some of the participants of this Civil War were first reborn around 12000 BC (3) which is some 1000 years before Arus and his hate-filled cohorts arrived on our planet (4). If they lived very long lives or if they were reborn again, they would have experienced the beginnings of the Atlantis Civil War and if so, one could assume that their rebirth gave them a chance to warn their fellow earth-humans of the danger of a planetarian (nuclear) war (3).
Now the Arus : Atlantis Civil War may have been a ripple effect of the Jesas Civil War (5) rather than of the Semjasa:Asael Civil War. But the fact is that they all were Civil Wars and that a similar environment creates an opportunity to overcome mistakes made earlier.
If we now turn our attention to our planetarian “here and now”:
Is there (will there be) – not (a chance of) a Civil War ?
In a nutshell, the overriding thought in our day, should it not be:
If the East and West do not want to lose all their inventions and technologies, don’t they need to prevent this (6) happening again?
q.e.d.
(1) Edgar Cayce / Reading 364-1:
“… is it any wonder that - if they made such alterations in the affairs of earth in their day, as to bring destruction upon themselves – if they are entering now, they might make many changes in the affairs of peoples and individuals in the affairs of peoples and individuals in the present.”
(2) Semjase in CR 191:
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_191
46. The origin of the beginning of sorrow and all evils on the Earth is described in the OM writing by the prophet Henoch, in which he speaks of Semjasa and his followers who, at that time, went with him among the Earth-humans and caused disaster.
47. Semjasa and some others originated from a planet in the LYRA system, but others were natives of other worlds that are listed as NAKAR planets in the old registers and which belonged to a remote system with the name USOL and which were completely destroyed by acts of war shortly after the flight away.
(3) Semjase in CR 191:
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_191
52. Throughout many lives, they slowly prepared for this task, which they then took over for the first time approximately fourteen thousand years ago, so at least some of them, while the rest of them were not yet ready.
53. But in order to be able to change everything, it was also necessary that everyone would change themselves into the thinking of the Earth-humans and, thus, forget their entire past, which has fully happened in the meantime.
56. Many of today's Earth-humans, in the early days of the beginning of evils on the Earth, belonged to the group of Semjasa, who was their supreme leader, as was already explained.
57. The fact of today’s group members and of those who were culpable at that time, in reference to the same spirit-form, is:
(4) Semjase CR 70:
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_070
124. After 2,000 years, this hate-drenched people was so far along that it could venture an attack on the Earth, therefore it manned its ships and came newly to the Earth, and indeed under the leadership of the Jschwisch Arus, the barbarian.
125. This happened 113,000 *) years ago.
126. Arus was extremely bestial and barbarous in his disposition, and his power was feared.
127. Like Pelegon, already thousands of years before, Arus also had 200 high-level scientists with him, who he made sub-leaders.
*) This should be 13,000 years ago (one ending zero too much) which translates into 11,000 BCE
(5) Semjase CR 70:
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_070
105. For about 10,000 years harmony and peace reigned, but then again an Jschwisch called Jesas came out, who murdered Pelegon's successor and seized power over all the, by then, united different folks and races.
106. Twenty years later however, the folk rose up against Jesas, and a terrible and worldwide war broke out again over the Earth by those who had travelled farther.
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(6) Semjase CR 70:
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_070
108. A few million humans remained on the Earth, where everything that had been built by the extraterrestrial humans had been completely destroyed and totally eliminated.
109. Those left behind, deprived of all technical and other cultural possibilities by the complete total destruction, gradually fell into a wicked lethargy, atrophied and became wild beings in a nasty barbarism.
110. For 700 *) years the Earth was simply avoided, before the descendants of the fugitives set out again to populate the beautiful blue world again.
*) this should be 7000 years
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Re. CR 70:126 "his happened 113,000 *) years ago."
*) This should be 13,000 years ago (100,000 years less) |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Nb
I am sorry. It is not you, Kenneth. But I am really worried that there will not be peace or even a ceasefire. |
Kenneth
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Hello Bill (Tat_tvam_asi), Et al,
I don’t know if you are aware of this Ancient History episode on You-Tube titled, “The Sphinx secret: The hidden room that could rewrite history”. It also involves Edgar Casey’s information on subject matter that I have not heard before.
Kind regards
Kenneth |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Hi Kenneth,
I may be busy for the next 3 weeks.
So, I may only join the discussion at a later time. But to give you and others some “food for thought” and answers to possible questions I will assemble some of EC's readings and as well some info about side topics.
NB: My article may be ‘a bit long’. So, I will put the sources / side topics in a separate post
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If your question refers to the ‘Hall of Records’ (1) it is mentioned many times in EC’s readings.
And yes, it has reached a state where it is discussed in many publications. Even Wikipedia and Encyclopedia Britannica found it noteworthy. But I think you want me to highlight EC information.
So here are some excerpts of his readings:
NB "entity" stands for "person EC gave reading to in a previous incarnation
(Reading 3750-1, Nov 12, 1933)
In this reading EC tells us that the “Records of Atlantis” were stored in 3 locations:
1. In a temple on the Atlantis island which was destroyed when Atlantis was destroyed
2. In Egypt close to Sphinx
3. In the temple of Iltar in what would be today a portion of the Yucatan Peninsula
It, too, was “destroyed at the period of change (following the Atlantis destruction?)
physically in the contours of the land. This now being found and a portion of it already discovered that has lain in waste for many centuries was then a combination of the peoples from Atlantis, Mu and Oz in the Peruvian land (long-skulled ancestors of Incas?) ”
Reading 3750-1, Nov 12, 1933
“Yet, as the time draws near … the temple of Iltar will rise again. Also, there will be the opening of the temple or hall of records in Egypt and those records that were put into the heart of the Atlantean land may also be found there – that have been kept for those that are of that group. The records are One."
(Reading 2402-2 / No 16, 1940)
“Entity aided the [Egyptian] priest in the preparation of the manner of building the temple of records that lies just beyond the enigma that still exists in the mystery of mysteries to those who seek to know what were the manners of thought of the ancient sons who made man, beasts – as a part of their consciousness…” (2)
(Reading 1486-1/ Nov 26, 1937)
“During those periods … when there were attempts for the correlation of knowledge the entity was among the first to set the records that are yet to be discovered or yet to be had of those activities of the Atlantean land and for the preservation of data that is yet to be found from the chambers of the way between the Sphinx and the pyramid of records.”
(Reading 143575-2/ Jan 20, 1944)
“In Egypt, of the Atlanteans who set about to preserve records – the entity came with those groups who were to establish the hall or house of records and may directly or indirectly be among those who will yet bring these to light.”
In a different reading EC tells us that this (preparations for the storing of records) happened 10,500 years BC (before the Prince of Peace – Jmmanuel) well before the 9498 BC which tells us that some Atlanteans may have had a foreknowledge of the Atlantis destruction 1000 years before it happened.
Reading 378-16, Oct 29, 1933
tells us what the records contain
- a record of Atlantis from the beginning
- of its first destruction (3)
- a record of the changes that took place of the land
- the record of the sojourning's of the peoples and their varied activities in other lands (4)
- a record of the meetings of all nations in 50,722 BCE - details see
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/13453.html#POST72691
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/13453.html#POST72698
- a record of the building to the pyramid of initiation (?)
- a record of “with whom, what and where the opening of the records would come that are as copies from the sunken Atlantis.
- “For with the change it [Atlantis] must rise again” (???)
EC gives as well clear instructions where the Egyptian “Hall of Records” is located:
“In position this lies – as the sun rises from the waters as the line of the shadows (or light) falls between the paws of the sphinx that was set later as the sentinel (guardian) and which may not be entered from the connecting chambers from the Sphinx’s right paw until the time has been fulfilled when the changes must be active in this sphere of man’s experience.”)
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Sources and Side Topics
( (1) In 2016 I mentioned the ‘Hall of Records’ at the end of one (very long) article:
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/14760.html#POST78413 (you find it at the end of the article)
I am not quite sure if this Hall of Records has been found yet.
I think some sonar testing was done years ago which revealed subterranean chambers and walkways.
But there was not much discussion in the media: We may not know the full truth of some discoveries in Egypt.
(2) EC may talk about the Sphinx – human head, lion body.
It was built by pharaoh Chephren *) (2567 -2534 BCE) and it points to the Constellation of Leo
More details see
CR 256:21-29 https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_256
CR 625: 83 -98 https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_625
Not quite sure if there was a previous statue (which Chephren rebuilt) or not
Not quite sure either what the passage “ancient sons who made man, beasts – as a part of their consciousness” means: Maybe EC refers to the “Children of One” who were Atlanteans who still followed the Laws of Creation. and wanted to store the Atlantean knowledge/history in 3 places, one of them in a chamber close to the area in which some 7000 later Chephren built the Sphinx).
According to EC the Atlanteans who followed the Law of One *) - they wanted to treat the ‘things’ (= part animal-part human/pet-like beings - androids? degenerated humans?) who were their servants/farmers/laborers with human-like dignity and respect.
They were opposed by the rebellious ‘Sons of Belial’ who saw them as mere “things’ saw them as machines working for them:
“And it was over these then, and the relationship that they bore to those that were in authority that the differences [in the Atlantean society] arose.” (EC, Reading 877-26). Could this be the reason that civil strife erupted among Atlanteans ?– Was it the reason scientists rebelled and escaped (like the remnants of Pelegon’s race) to Centauri B?
Further details see http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/14760.html#POST78413
(2) According to EC Atlantis broke up 3 times.
In EC readings nothing is mentioned much who/what caused these destructions or when they happened. But from the CRs we know of three Plejaren *) wars that destryed our planet
- The destructions caused by Semjasa/Asael – CR 191:45-80
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_191
- The ww destruction caused by Jesas who murdered Pelegon’s successor CR 70: 103-112
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_070
- The destruction of Atlantis CR 70:112-134 CR 61:29-40
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_061
Not quite sure whether these three Plejaren/Pre-Plejaren races all settled in the mid Atlantic island (which was later named Atlantis) and if it was this island that was destroyed in 3 major catastrophes.
*) They called themselves Plejaren (Law of Seven) at a later stage.
So, to be more correct Semjasa and Asael were the ancestors of this race.
CR 70:94/95 https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_070
It may well be that Edgar Cayce's "Children of the Law of One" were, indeed, the Plejaren (Law of Sevenness) because according to Billy's book "Genesis" the seven parts of this law exist in oneness.
( (4) This may refer to other terrestrial lands, e.g. the mentioned meeting in 50,722 BCE .
Could it include as well that remnants of Pelegon’s race travelling to Centauri B, were living there for 7000 years before returning with Atlant and his race?
CR 70:112: https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_070
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Jokubas_stalmokas
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I would like to add my few thoughts to this conversation. Please check these videos on YouTube 'The Sphinx's Secret: The Hidden Room That Could Rewrite History' by mindfkd and 'WARNING: The 'Hall of Records' Archive Under the Sphinx was Breached! Manu Seyfzadeh at the Sphinx' by anyextee. Every time a new discovery is found a strange figure zahi hawass shows up, shuts down everything for days and goes in to check first for himself. Then calls press conference and traditionally announces that there is nothing to se here. He has contracted companies to escavate around that area which seems that during that process everything is removed.
I would be really interested to hear more regarding this guy from Billy if there is a possibility. |
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