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    Scott Moderator Post Number: 1044 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, Here are the 12 Directives from the Petale Level as transmitted to Billy on the 16th of October 1975 from the book Decalouge. These were published (with Billy’s approval) on the forum on December 16, 1999, but I am re-stating them because I was unable to locate the original posting. The German came from a very early printing of the Decalouge and may not entirely match the English which was published many years later. 1. You shall not have any powers and gods, idols and saints other than CREATION. 2. You shall keep holy the name of CREATION and not abuse this name. 3. You shall make every day a holy day, and master it. 4. You shall not violate your bond with CREATION, including this: You shall not commit adultery. 5. You shall honor CREATION as you honor, respect and love your father and mother. 6. You shall not kill in depravity. 7. You shall not steal or expropriate from others. 8. You shall not bear false witness against CREATION and life. 9. You shall never, never state untruths. 10. You shall not greedily covet material wealth nor the possessions of your neighbor. 11. You shall not curse the truth. 12. You shall never, never offer CREATION’s laws or CREATIONS’s directives to unworthy cults. 1. Du sollst keine anderen Machte und keine Gotter, Gotzen und Heilige neben der Schopfung haben. 2. Du sollst den Namen der Schopfung heilig halten und ihn nicht missbrauchen. 3. Du sollst jeden Tag zum Feiertag machen und ihn heiligen (kontrollieren). 4. Du sollst nicht brechend warden im Bund emit der Schopfung, darin enthalten: Du sollst nicht Ehebrechen. 5. Du sollst ehre die Schopfung, gleich wie du Vater und Mutter ehrest, achtest und liebst. 6. Du sollst nicht toten in Ausartung. 7. Du sollst nicht raubend und enteignend sein. 8. Du sollst nicht falsch zeugen wider die Wahreit, die Schopfung und das Leben. 9. Du sollst nie und nie sprechen die Unwahrheit. 10. Du sollst nicht begehren in Habsucht nach materiellen Schatzen und dem Besitztum des Nachsten 11. Du sollst fluche nicht der Wahreit 12. Du sollst lege die Schopfungsgebote und Schopfungsgesetze nie und nie in unwerte Kulte. Kind Regards Scott | ||
Pratik11 Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2006 |
Scott, Of these 'commandments' I really am not sure how many of these the Plejarens coming to earth follow. What does the part in the first commandment mean by '...other that Creation'? It isn't really clear. 'You shall never never state untruths', I really don't get this, this was asked to Billy also, when the Plejarens move among us aren't they potraying a false image of them to the earth people? Hence, isn't this in some way a lie? The last one says that "You shall not offer Creation's 'laws' to unworthy cults". Now can someone tell me what or who are members of unworthy cults? With the 'laws' of Creation all over the internet in FIGU sites wouldn't a person of an 'unworthy' cult check it? And I don't understand why these are commandments. I mean as evolving beings, we can only try to follow. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 176 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Pratik, unworthy cults should be all kind of cults which do not match the essence of creation. In the past, human and animal sacrifices were offered to the ancient gods, taking the crown of creation.These sacrifices were and still are stupid and absurd, in relation to human or creational law. Prayers and religion as a whole are stupid, absurd cults. I think what petale wants to say is, if you want to be a degenerate, it's OK, it's up to you and your free personal evolution, but never try to drag creation with you, creation shall never be associated/attached to negative degenerate attitudes.You cannot/should not vilify the name of creation for free and tell others confusing statements about it's origins and nature..... About untruths....what the plejaren do is not telling the whole truth, but only bits....when we discover the rest of it, we feel like deceived, but this is understandable since the earth man is not prepared to "digest" some aching truths related to extraterrestrials and religion.To be wrong is not equal to lie deliberately. | ||
Savio Senior Member Post Number: 564 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Pratik As I understand it, 'Commandments' is not the appropriate word, it is 'Directives' or 'Recommendations'. We have full free will in choosing what to do. If we fully understand and follow these directives, we can achieve a certain success towards our evolution, this is only the result of the law of nature: cause and effect. Regards Savio | ||
Pratik11 Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2006 |
Well, I don't think it is right to allow others to degenerate. You should least make them aware that such laws exist. I mean, persons of 'unworthy cults' may not even know that they are doing no good to themselves by their practices, doesn't this give us a better reason to 'educate' them, or make them aware of such things? And about the speaking of untruth the commandment stress the point by saying never never... which I think means never, not once, be it how ever minute. we are all evolving beings at some point we believe a 'truth' to be The Truth and it is immpossible that we never never speak an untruth because without knowledge we all (including the Plejarens at some point) speak untruths. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 439 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi guys, Our FIGU friend Claes Elmberg informed us that the word "directives" has now been superceded by the word "commandments" as the FIGU preference. And nobody has the right to try to "make them aware." (It doesn't work, anyway!) TJ19:14-20 The Errors of your Neighbor "Search for the meaning and truth in my teachings. Since I am human like you, I, too, have had to search and perceive. Since I am human like you and have gathered my knowledge, you are also capable of learning, searching, perceiving and knowing; in so doing you may grasp and observe the laws of Creation. If your neighbor errs and embraces a falsified teaching, go and reveal their error in private. If they listen to you, you have won your neighbor. If your neighbor does not listen and continues to be enslaved by a lack of understanding, leave that person be, for they are not worthy of your teaching, once you have done everything possible. It is better to let an unreasonable person walk on the path of misery than to bring confusion to one's own consciousness. Truly I say to you, the heavens will collapse before an unreasonable person can be taught reason; therefore, beware of such persons. Sow the seeds of wisdom on fertile soil where they can germinate, because only the germinated seed will bring forth fruit." Salome, Dyson | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1046 Registered: 12-1999 |
Thanks Dyson, I see we have come full circle, Commandment to Directive and now back to Commandment. I've even seen the 12 Bid's of Creation?? The Book Decalouge is an excellent book, I recommend it to anyone! Regards Scott | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 440 Registered: 03-2004 |
!!! Well, why not The Dozen Offers of Accomplishment? Ha ha! Should this be on the Translation thread or the Learning German one? We need a Humor thread. :-) Cheers, mate! | ||
Pratik11 Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hector, you say nobody has the right to tell them, but then what about the free will Scott mentions? In your words we shouldn't give the directives of Creation to all kind of cults which do not match the essence of creation. Isn't earth one such place where many things are done that don't match the essence of Creation like religion. Yet, the Plejarens made us aware of such things. I would hence, only think that there is nothing wrong in sharing the knowledge with anyone, its for their own good if they accept it. Hence, I don't find myself agreeing to that particular 'directive of Creation'. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 444 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Pratik11, If nobody could do what s/he had no “right” to do, the world would be a very different place. (Are we just talking about word use here?) Of COURSE you are free to disagree with whatever you like and do as thou wilt, but the consequences - which you then bring upon yourself - of unrighteous (incorrect) activities, are such that - if you were fully aware of the way Creation works – you’d really want to avoid. We try to tell little kids not to run into traffic. And if you think your car’s run out of gas some dark night, you are advised not to use a match as a source of light to see whether there’s anything in the tank. The FIGU material is no different except that it’s much more detailed, (and these teachings were previously hidden, thanks to the Bafath) so it’s much more valuable. I’m just curious, Pratik11 … why the “11”? Salome, Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 445 Registered: 03-2004 |
Correction: I think it was the Toronto study group which told us about the use of the word "commanments", not Claes, but I think he might of confirmed that with us. I can't remember. Sorry. It would be good if FIGU could nail this one down for us once and for all, so we can go back and alter our work. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1048 Registered: 12-1999 |
Perhaps we should look to the top of the page which states "Laws and Commandments of Creation" which is an article endorsed by FIGU. Commandments seem to be guidelines for people to follow, and I just noticed the 12 "Commandments" are listed there also. So it seems in this instance "Commandments" may be the operative term when applied to the the Decalouge?? Scott | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1049 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello, The actual wording for the "Commandments" in Decalouge is: DIE ZWOLF GEBOTE VON PETALE. I don't have my German Dictionary handy, but just doing a quick online translation of the word GEBOTE seems to come up with the word "requirement". A requirement seems a stronger word than directive, but I don't know if commandment would be a suitable replacement for a requirement. Scott | ||
Pratik11 Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 10-2006 |
Can anyone name 'unworthy cults'? How do we identify unworthy cults?? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 446 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Pratik11! Easy! 1.) All cults are unworthy. 2.) If it's a cult, it's unworthy. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Pratik11 Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hey Dyson! There is no particular reason of the 11. Pratik as you might have guessed is my name. | ||
Pratik11 Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 10-2006 |
Dyson, I still feel it is not right to allow anyone to degenerate. I would offer right advice concerning Creation to any. I can't agree with the words 'never, never offer'. There is an emphasis there. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 458 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Pratik11, Just as you do, I think most of us here "feel it is not right to allow anyone to degenerate". The operative word is "feel". But isn't that the same as we don't "feel" that it's right when an aged loved-one passes away, even when we think/know/understand that it is inevitable? Degeneration doesn't happen overnight, but over innumerable incarnations, and even if it were "right" to not "allow" someone to degenerate, trying to stop them would prove as futile as trying to stop Grandpa dieing. It would be ultimately impossible. More importantly, spiritual evolution is evidently often a non-linear process, i.e. two steps forward, one step back. OM Kanon 9 is instructive. Please see www.gaiaguys.net/OM.K9.htm This lesson - of letting individuals walk their own freely chosen path of ignorance and misery, (after a sincere effort is made to help them onto the straight and narrow) - was one of the hardest for me, and I spent years trying not to allow people close to me to degenerate, and all it did was damage already deficient interpersonal relationships. Now I try to avoid degenerates, and understand I have NO RIGHT to interfere after the initial attempts have been made and rebuffed. Individuals can only do it themselves. Billy teaches that we can reach out our hand, but unless those who we wish to help actively grasps that hand, it simply will not work. This is a creational law. It’s like physics. Accepting the harsh truth about this sad fact (and all the others) is both liberating and empowering. But it is your right to still feel it is not right, and I won't continue to try to convince you otherwise if you persist in that erroneous view. Salome, Dyson | ||
Leann Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hello all, I think they consider it "Directives" for that is what they are attempting to accomplish, our direction towards CREATIONAL LIFE. The word "Commandment" insinuates we should do as we are commanded to do and no one has the right to command us to follow what is for our own good. It should be our own intelligent decision to do so. All cults are unworthy and CREATION should be kept holy. Just my thoughts.... Leann | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 727 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... If I may be of some help? In Dutch we speak of 'gebod(en)'(German: gebote), which means: A Public Announcement or Proclamation. Thus, not directly be translated into 'Commandment'...which does occur 'indirectly', occasionally, alas. 'Commandment' in a 'Positive' sense/terminology, can be translated into: instruction(s), mission(s), commission(s), message(s)....etc. Or, in simple English: '(friendly) asking you to do...: Striving (to work) in that Direction.' Thus:' With NO Strings Attached!' And thus, not in the sense of Commandment being per se, utilized in a Negative Forced manner. When One says: 'Command'...than One is Truly....Commanding: In a Negative Forced manner; which has nothing to do with 'Commandment'! 'Directive(s)' = Richtlijn(en); which means: In which Direction One can Focus/Strive him/herself to/towards. Thus, here too:' With NO Strings Attached!' And not per se, utilized in a Negative Forced manner, also. Positively, this may help you out a bit?? Edward. | ||
Pratik11 Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2006 |
Dyson, It is not only about what 'I' feel. It is through thinking also, that you can come to your conclusions. Its not like I feel my grandfather's death upset me, so it wrong. That kind of thinking will get me nowhere. When you feel bad about your Grandfathers death (an example), after thinking one should realize that all people must expire, so I know that I should accept that, and in time one would. On the other hand the directive says that we must never (not once) offer the Creational Laws to unworthy cults. You said that all cults are unworthy, then why does the commandement specifically mention the word 'unworthy'. Again the word 'unworthy' is left for a proper defenition. Most religions have prayer, rituals etc. Now, if we all are parts of unworthy cults then why did the Plejaren come here, it the Petele level directive that tells then not to (not once). Another thing, is that the TJ tells that you could offer this to anyone, and if they reject it then you may go your way. I seem to be in some agreement with this. Cheers! | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 464 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Pratik11, You might be taking my poor comparisons a little too literally. I think this confusion might have something to do with semantics, and the way the German language works, particularly Old German. It’s a bit hard to articulate, but the expression “unworthy cults” might be like the way we English-speakers use the insults, filthy pig, or dirty dog, etc. with the implication that all dogs are dirty and all pigs filthy. The Plejaren say things like, “It’s impossible for us and even more impossible for you”. They speak of the concept of “relative perfection”. We Earthlings never never qualify absolutes unless we are semi-literate. So it’s sort of a figure of speech for added emphasis, like the joke when the Irishman (It’s OK. “Devine” is an Irish name!) is taking his test for his drivers’ license and is asked what a yellow line means next to the curb. He says, “No parkin’ at all.” The examiner than asks, “And what does the double yellow line mean?” “ Paddy thinks for a minute and replies, “No parkin’ at ALL at all.” “Never (and) never put Creation's commandments and Creation's laws into unworthy cults.” To me, this means that trying to conflate the ordered laws and directives/commandments of Creation with the Bafath’s innumerable unworthy (meaning not worth anything of any value) religions, sects, cults, secret societies, etc.* is very very wrong/bad because it is so spiritually dangerous for those people who are then poisoned by those false teachings. The “never, never, ever, not once” tone that we find in the Dodekalog appears to be another example of the sort of linguistic ambit claim that parents use on errant children. We have to remember the times, and that even Moses was not very evolved in his consciousness, compared to (many) modern people who have not degenerated too much. I hope this has helped sort out some of the confusion that naturally arises through translations. Moral of the story: learn German. :-) Cheers! Dyson *This is a good example of the language ambiguity that I’m tying to explain. The expression, “the Bafath’s religions” could be seen to suggest that SOME of the religions are NOT of the Bafath, which is not the case. According to the Plejaren (JSWH Quetzal), they ALL are. This is a particular problem in the Stevens’ translations where it quite wrongly states that there is good in all religions, where the German says otherwise. I think the only way a religion could be "good" is in a relative sense, like being a Quaker is clearly relatively better than being in the Ordo Templi Orientis. | ||
Mike_hooten Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2006 |
The Creational Lesson Of Ashtar Sheran (part 1) Mr. Meier has apparently given us many truths about justice and evolution. The Prophets of old from Abraham to Muhammad would always say that justice was "imminent for all the wrongdoers". Mohammad repeated that theme endlessly. And yet the Prophet today says that we have billions or trillions of years to make mistakes in, implying that a day of reckoning could be put off for a long long long time. If what Mr. Meier has said about the Gizeh and Ashtar Sheran is all true, then, this too confirms the length of the day of reckoning. The Gizeh have been national (Egypt), inter-national (Oregon), planetary, inter-planetary (Pegasus Knaves), inter-stellar(Saban Planet), inter-galactic terrorists for a long long time; tens of thousands of years. They were able to keep the fraud going on endlessly. But the real lesson is in the Earth-God Ashtar Sheran. Apparently, during his lives, millions of jewels were placed before him, be those Jewels people, nations, food, money, power, thoughts. Many prayers to the Gods are for the Gods well being. No one ever really wanted any harm for Ashtar probably, even the Pleiadeans. This is specifically mentioned in the contact notes where Semjase says that "Kamagol was having second thoughts". But apparently Ashtar Sheran never had second or third thought. Ashtar Sheran, tempted by the availability of an unguarded Inter-Dimentional, Inter-Universal Pleiadean Space Fleet decided to extend his piracy to another universe. (end of part 1) | ||
Mike_hooten Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2006 |
The Lesson Of Ashtar Sheran (part 2) Per my interpretations of BIllys work, The Spirit created the Universe and everything within it including the Time Dimensions, containing time. Even though the spirits of the Universe created time, the Spirits must live within it, per evolutionary law. Spirits that enter faster time dimensions can evolve faster and spirits that enter slower time dimensions can evolve slower. My wild guess is that the slowest dimensions are at the edge of the universe, near the barrier between the Universes. If the Inter-Universal Pirate Ashtar Sheran in his attack on our neighboring Universe got himself killed at the barrier or near it, chances are he died in a dimension where time goes very slowly, perhaps trillions of years slower than ours. If this guess is true then he could quite theoretically be marooned essentially forever in a dimension where it would be almost impossible for him to have enough time to evolve into the ability to "Merge with Creation" and his sprit would then be extinguished. The truly lucky ones, i guess, died on Earth and are incarnating there now. The less lucky ones got taken to a Pleadean Penal Colony. But I really don't know much about all of this really. If one dies in inter-galactic space, then in which galaxy will one incarnate? Best to all. Mike Hooten | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 114 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Mike, Could you clarify what you mean by "day of reckoning". I have always associated that phrase with the religious "end of the world"/"judgement day" teachings, which I now think of as nonsense. Thanks. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 481 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Mike, Nice work. According to the material, A.S. finally bit the dust in the DAL universe during an ill-considered attack there, so he will reincarnate there, where they can keep an eye on him. And many spirit forms wander through deep space for eons until they find a suitable place to re-incarnate. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 141 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Mike, I just wanted to comment on the second part of your article (The Lesson Of Ashtar Sheran)… Maybe it might be advisable to use the same words used by Billy and FIGU, that the creator of the universe is the Creation (Schöpfung) rather then The Spirit. And regarding your comment about the dimension at the end or edge of the Universe, I am not really sure where the dimensions exist but one thing I can tell you is the whole universe has the same speed of time (second), but I don’t know much about other dimensions, so the whole of the universe we live in runs at the same speed. And for a last point you were talking about the spirit of Ashtar would be in a dimension that would not be able to evolve in time before the complete contraction of Creation. According to Billy this would be very very very unlikely that any spirit would not be evolved enough to merge with Creation till the time of complete contraction. Because at a certain time no new spirits are created, so there would be enough time for all the existing spirits to evolve before the complete contraction of Creation. The reason it was mentioned that the spirit would be dissolved before the contraction is complete, is like IF it was the case, but as Billy says it is very unlikely that there would be any spirits not merged with Creation at that point. For your last question, of which galaxy would a spirit got to if died in inter-galactic space, it would go through space until it finds a suitable planet to reincarnate might take a few million years though. Just some thoughts… Salome, Badr | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 488 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, The "day of reckoning" is a loose but not entirely inaccurate expression for the time when we die and start to leave our material dimension. Similarly the expressions, "torments of the damned" and "wrath of God" are also not entirely misleading, although according to my understanding of my reading of OM, they are gross understatements. “ …as far as Korff and Bürgin are concerned. Together they paddle their boat toward insurmountable rapids which will lead, without doubt, to their downfall. On their deathbeds, their lies and defamations will turn their final days into hell. I certainly do not wish this upon them, for it is contrary to my character, but the saying goes: 'One day we all will be held accountable for our every thought, every emotion, every deed and every action --- at the very latest when the Grim Reaper knocks at our door.'" –Billy (FIGU Bulletin No. 7) Salome, Dyson | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello Dyson, how is it that "On their deathbeds, their lies and defamations will turn their final days into hell"? Is it just to say that their guilt will haunt them or something more than that? I do not own "OM" so I was hoping that you might clarify... G'day, Thomas | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 492 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Thomas, According to Billy, as we leave this coarse matter dimention on the way to "the other side", all our misbehavior catches up with us and we make a dreadful hell for ourselves. It is not a punishment from Creation, but it is a terrible ordeal that we impose upon ourselves when we have choosen life's easy and wide path of degeneration and untruthfullness instead of the narrow and hard (but ultimately joyous) path of correctness (rightousness). Bad people go out out mentally kicking and screaming for a mercy that never comes. Good people welcome the tansition with ineffable joy. Salome, Dyson | ||
Oo1oo1 New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hello Dyson, What about "bad" people that die suddenly without time to realize the errors of their way? For instance, a criminal killed in the commission of a crime, or a Wall Street robber barron pushed in front of a subway train. I thought when the body does, so does the psyche/ego. And the spirit passes instantly to the other side where it has no consciousness. I can only see your scenario playing out with people that have time to contemplate/reflect upon their lives while dying. Thank you. | ||
Oo1oo1 Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 01-2007 |
Above should read: when the body dies... Please excuse. Thank you. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 494 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Oo1oo1, Good question. I seem to recall that Billy does address this matter in his books, but – since they are not indexed, I don’t know where his comment is, and I can’t remember the details – all I can do is have a stab at it from my incomplete recollection of it. Perhaps Hector, Robyna or Christian, etc., can help me out here if I’ve done the explanation injustice. (It’s important to remember that Billy’s material is very voluminous, and sometimes well-meaning answers found on this discussion board are not very accurate, and even quite wrong, so it’s always best to do your own research directly from the FIGUs texts.) I do remember Billy’s explanation of poltergeists, because that happens to be an interest of a close friend of mine. Billy writes that, sometimes when someone dies as their material consciousness dissolves into spiritual energy, they suddenly and briefly have command of the aspect of their consciousness-related ability that involves itself with telekinesis. In an effort to provide one final sign or signal to (for instance) a surviving loved one, the clinically dead person’s lingering power of consciousness will – say - tip over a chair. I seem to recall that it takes a while to actually “give up the ghost” (so to speak) even if the physical body is utterly destroyed in a flash. Put this together with the idea that the body’s enlivening spirit form is not bound by space and time the way our living bodies are, and it seems logical that the time spent dying, even if it is a microsecond, is not experience the same way a living person experiences time. So time could subjectively dilate into a perceived eternity before that consciousness is finally returned again into the great sea of creational energy. So the next time a Wall St. banker decides to step out in front of a bus in a cowardly attempt to end his evil life’s torment, it’s NOT going to work as he planned. And the REAL hell, which is a state of being, not a place, will NOT be avoided, but experienced in all it’s graphic horror in that individual’s subjective eternity at the time of his clinical death. This heaven or hell is alluded to by various world’s religions, and the misunderstanding is comprehensible if the dying process is observed and the huge differences in the behavior between righteous (correct) people and unrighteous (incorrect) people is noted. But the process of dying – in and of itself – is a very big topic to which Billy devotes a lot of book space, so my attempt at an explanation of this important point – as long winded as it is – is still quite incomplete, but I hope it helps to fill in some gaps. It’s important to add that Creation does not “punish” per se, but enforces natural laws of cause and effect. Like when you hit your thumb with a hammer, it will hurt. When you transgress against Creation’s immutable laws, YOU WILL PAY very dearly indeed before you reincarnate, and even afterwards. For instance, if you are a murderer or child-molester, etc., the torture is ghastly and far far worse than anything a living person could ever endure or imagine. This knowledge is one our website’s motivations. We not only want to help the many silent and suffering victims of child sexual abuse, but also the many ignorant and misguided degenerate perpetrators. Moral of the story? Be good for goodness’ sake! Salome, Dyson | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 622 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Robjna, (I moved this reply across from Reincarnation, Death and the Akashic Records http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/46.html?1174966043) Don't shoot! I'm just the messenger! Not MY ideas! I’m a feminist! Please make the important distinction between 1.) the pre-historic Plejaren texts and 2.) my modern personal views. I was not joking about whoring. I thought you knew this. It would be in K32 somewhere, and "archaic" is a gross understatement, given that this stuff was written HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of years ago. If YOU are offended, imagine what male homosexuals would think! Have you READ K32??? I'll try to dig out some references for you asap, but I've nothing in my notes. There are lots of surprises in OM, for instance, K32:188, 194, 200, 219, 222, 230, 232, 233, 241, 254, 285, 286, 289, 329, 332, 371, 503, 653, 687 & 786 all make some reference to depillated female pudenda! Go figure! :-o Cheers! Dyson | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Dyson I wasn't really shooting you -- it just came out that way in a burst of passionate outcry I may sit down in my cosy armchair this evening, after cleaning all my makeup off and read the relevant passages in Om.  I guess, sometimes on this forum, because there is not a large female presence, I can get the feeling that it can seem like a boys club, with the boys slapping eachother on the back making comments pertaining to females, in such a way that bothers me --- just every now and then. It is not really the words that are the problem, it is the way they are put together usually. It is a little like the issue that was being discussed about life being fair or not -- its not the events that are important, but rather how one reacts to them, or plays the game so to speak. I did overreact some, I admit, but at the time, I really felt insulted for some reason. It actually felt good to express it. Anyway, enough from me on this. I suppose also, that I cannot complain about female presence on the forum, if I myself don't contribute more  The Om is a very interesting book -- I find the strangest things in there. I was pleased though to find that there are whore-boys and whore-jacks well represented as well! Robjna | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 626 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Robjina, No problem at all! :-) I, personally, am delighted to see another woman who is finally making waves (Mother of the Millennium), and am on record here for bemoaning the fact that it’s like a stoopid boys club here. Please forgive us. And please continue to feel free to express your feeling here. We are humans, not robots. We have several problems on this board, as you know, but I think one of the main ones boils down to just plain WORDS. People here do not know the meanings of English words, nor do they know the meanings of the words used to define those words. (www.gaiaguys.net/translations.htm) To “whore” (verb) is to “sell” oneself (pursue an unworthy desire). I think, because of the technical configuration of this forum, you may have missed my original posting (now archived) in which I mentioned that this information was in OM. I apologize for being unclear when I wrote to Dejan that “it” was just “a thought”. I was naturally referring to the issue of Semjase’s makeover and new lip gloss. And www.gaiaguys.net/meier.whatsnew.htm has some hi-res pix now which show what I meant. (I’ve already written our artistic friend Dejan off-list about his signature on Christian Krukowski’s “impulsive” work) I think it’s important to understand that OM is an ancient guide which contains 77,000,000 canons on Erra, (or was it only 7 mil?) but the texts we have here are for Terra, and the ancient stuff is full of agrarian homilies, etc. that reflect a pre-historic bygone time. OM says acerbic things about male homosexuals, but the modern Plejaren treat all humans equally, and on Erra, homosexuals of both sexes marry. And – if my memory serves – some young women there wear (or wore until recently … I can’t remember - no big deal, so I tend to forget) some light cosmetics. I think I mentioned that on this list already, but as Scott correctly pointed out, selling oneself for sexual favors was eradicated long long ago there. I think I’ve mentioned that here too. I don’t blame you, Robjma, for being peeved about the icky Semjase idolatry here, (so am I) which is not only grossly demeaning for everybody, but VERY spiritually unhealthy and barbaric. But there are also people like me who love Semjase the same way we love Asket and Ptaah and Billy and Quetzal, etc., and Arahat Athersata and Petale, and ESPECIALLY Creation! Creation thinks and knows and loves and forms the very framework of our reality. Creation created good things in a particular way for GOOD reasons, and when we transgress against that natural (creational) order, even in ways which appear trivial and superficial to our collective degenerated and ignorant/arrogant eyes, then that counts against us as a symbolic rejection of Creation, and we pay dearly for that somewhere down the line. Any chance of a systranization of OM page 43, Robjna? Cheers! Dyson P.S. Nice point. "I cannot complain about (lack of) female presence on the forum, if I myself don't contribute more." Where have you been these last several days, eh? Hector and Badr waded into the blood and mud with me. I missed you! :-) | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey Dyson, Are the acerbic things about male homos in the OM true? Is it like the mordern view of Plejarens is as true as the OM, but they are presenting it in a more 'less hurtful' manner? Can you post some of the verse (if possible)... It is not possible for the OM text be wrong. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 633 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Celestialbrother, If "It is not possible for the OM text be wrong" then why do you ask, "Are the acerbic things about male homos in the OM true?"? First, we are all humans, and humans - as we all know - are not perfect. From: Billy Meier, in An Interview with a UFO Contactee:. "We (FIGU) are not a religious nor a sectarian group, nor are we a political, military nor civil community group based upon any totalitarian and autocratic truth. Neither are we perfect in any way or all-knowing, and for this reason we cannot disseminate perfect teachings – many questions remain for which we have no answers. But we can disseminate the truth about the Creational-natural laws and directives with which we are familiar and for whose accuracy we can vouch. We state that it is the sole, pure truth for which everyone can search within and by themselves, in nature and one’s surroundings everywhere, and that everyone can experience and see it, provided the person is willing to look for and retrieve it. To this end there exists no other truth than the one that actually exists. And this is the precise truth we advocate." OM is - in part - a VERY VERY ancient text written for simple pre-historic Earth humans who lacked the education and consciousness-related development of 2007, and therefore has many blunt words which are not designed for today's peoples. Because context, knowledge and understanding are required, I choose not to reveal publicly a lot of the Meier material, thinking that he who seeks needs the work of striving to be strong enough to comprehend. So I'll not post the verses you seek. Sorry, brother. I hope you understand. OM can be purchased and the Old German language can be learned, but common sense can’t be abandoned if the material is to be understood in the correct spirit. Salome, Dyson | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey Dyson, I sometimes can't explain what I mean, okay. When you posted my question i found that it was contraductory. In my question what I wanted to ask was that, is the view of the present day Plejarens different from the OM (on the topic of Homosexuality). And as far as I know (correct me if wrong) the OM doen't accept Homosexual acts among men as right but it is fine with lesbian sex. So how can the Plejarens accept homosexual marriages of men? Isn't it against the Creational Laws or anything like that? | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 03-2003 |
Celestialbrother, Many questions that come up on this discussion forum from time to time have been answered before. This is where searching and study are necessary. There is obviously a vast amount of information in the FIGU material. A good starting point is a listing of resources: http://www25.brinkster.com/chancede/Meier.html The answer to your questions regarding homosexuality can be found in numerous places, among them, FIGU Bulletin no. 2, the section "Hostile Attitude toward Jews and Homosexuals", located at: http://www.billymeier.com/Periodicals/Bulletin_2.html | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 06-2006 |
If two men bed down with each other, they shall be punished also, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws, and they are acting heretically; thus they shall be castrated, expelled and banished before the people. What is this, who would punish them, who created this law? I didn't understand this verse properly. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 651 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Celestialbrother, For some reason, my below posting did not appear on this forum. (?) Sorry about that. It addressed your concerns broadly, and then, after that, I’ll mention the (wrong) bit about castration from the TJ. ------- All people are absolutely equal in so far as their rights to respect are concerned. This is one of the most important parts of our most recent translation. „Was wirklich gefragt und am allerwichtigsten ist, sind einerseits gepflegte, verantwortungsbewusste, friedliche und wertvolle zwischenmenschliche Beziehungen, die nicht nur auf Familienmitglieder sowie Freunde und Bekannte ausgedehnt sein dürfen, sondern zu jedem einzelnen Menschen der irdischen Bevölkerung bestehen müssen, und zwar ganz gleich, ob er reich oder arm ist, welcher Rasse, Hautfarbe, Religion und welchem Glauben oder welcher Gesellschaftsschicht er angehört.“ (What is really called for, and is the most important of all is, on one hand, maintained, responsibility-conscious, peaceful and valuable interpersonal relationships, which not only must be extended to family members as well as friends and acquaintances, rather must exist with every individual human of the terrestrial population, and indeed, it is all the same regardless of whether he is rich or poor, to which race, skin color, religion and to which belief, or which level of society, he belongs.) www.gaiaguys.net/meier.azl152.sww69.htm The spirit of the teachings is eternally consistent, but the wording is always adapted for the time/place in which these eternal truths are delivered. As JHRH Semjase said at her 10 contact, “Creation and truth are always the same, today just as tomorrow; they are always unchanging and of eternal, constant value. They do not change, neither name nor form, because Creation and truth are without names and forms. Only that which is true and which remains truth can be valid as truth; something on which one can depend on through eternity, and that never and under no circumstances ever needs revision. Truth must never be adjusted to some other or new time, because it is constant for all times. . It is eternally constant and always sounds alike, even if it is spoken with other words. It is the rock upon which one can build in eternal times and in all spaces.” I recommended that you use the search engines on this forum and on the FIGU site for the word “homosexuality” because there has been a lot of debate about this topic, and I’d be reinventing the wheel if I were to try to detail FIGU’s position here again :-) It is spelled out here: http://www.figu.org/cgi-bin/search/us/search.pl?q=homosexuality&showurl=%2Ffigu%2Fbulletin%2Fno2.htm ------ I’m led to understand that “castrated” should have read “ostracized”, and has ben corrected for future editions (if any). Remember that this is a 2000 year old text for primitive people. Those who legally enforced the law back then would have enforced this one. In olden days the civil laws were closer to the Creational commandments than they are now, because we have degenerated so much since then. Salome, Dyson | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 111 Registered: 06-2006 |
the idea of two men have sex with each other makes me cringe and sick! | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Dyson, How is it that Creation is always the same, today just as tomorrow; it is always unchanging and of eternal, constant value? I can understand that with the "truth" but not with Creation. Otherwise, why does the Creation exist; why do we exist? I thought the Creation is not yet perfect; it has to evolve constantly, and our lives/evolution is the vehicle by which it evolves. Peace and best regards. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 222 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Jakes by Creation being perfect i think it means the creational laws, creational manifestations (Physics, biology, time, space, duality, cause-effect,striving,truth, love....) are not subject to changes and cannot be affected by human actions.All those laws could be "accessed" by humans, but not changed, as they are the set of rules of the game. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 657 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jakes, Good point. That's what the books say, so it seems logical to deduce that Creation stays the same to US, since we are only sort of a small part of IT, in something like the same way that a big outcrop of bedrock that you sit on always stays the same, but – in reality – it erodes away over millions of years and turns to dust. Just not while you’re sitting on it. We are taught that Creation naturally evolves up the spiritual ladder like everything else (which does not degenerate away to annihilation) but stays the same for us in the same way that your mother and father, for instance, will always be your mother and father and not one day become your son and daughter. The Sun may explode into a supernova in several billion years, but it will never turn into the Moon. All of the renewed teachings are delivered on the premise that those who receive them do not abandoned common sense for the sake of semantic hair-splitting. So it's the same in its essence, but not in its (by our standards) very slow spiritual development. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Hector and Dyson, Yes, I see by definition an absolute truth would be constant and unchanging, as would be the Laws of Creation, at least in this instance of the Creation's existence. But how do we know that truth and the laws aren't further refined as Creation spirals up its successive levels of evolution? I don't see this as abandoning common sense, just asking a question that comes naturally. Peace and best regards. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 223 Registered: 04-2006 |
As each creational life/period lasts 7 times longer than the previous one, one could think that the next creational cycle (311.040 trillion yearsx7) will have its foundations in the perfected/evolved creational laws coming from this current creation. But that are too tough questions to deal with.What you call grade A+ questions.Hard to answer,specially in times when we are dealing with basic questions like our own survival as a species. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 662 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Jakes, There sometimes seems to be a blurry area between faith and deductive logic! :-) It's not for no reason that Creation is also called "the insoluble puzzle". There are logical grounds, discovered by a guy named Kurt Gödel, which propose that we can never know all we want about the hierarchies above us, like Creation. Gödel proved fundamental results about axiomatic systems showing in any axiomatic mathematical system there are propositions that cannot be proved or disproved within the axioms of the system. In other words, we can’t know everything. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey I was just going through some quantum physics stuff, very basic. I came to know of the term 'plank's time' which is the smallest time [quantum of time], and that there is no meaning of a time span smaller than the planks time. Does Billy in any of his contact notes agree or disagree to such an idea. And Dyson, I agree in calling Creation the 'insoluble puzzle', but who came up wid that | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 668 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Celestialbrother, I don't remember reading anything about that level of detail about time in the FIGU books. (If you are interested in this topic I suggest you check out the history of “infinitesimals”.) Of course the Plejaren are very careful not to give too much away to the evil Earth scientists, because (TINY bits of) time can evidently be converted into (VAST amounts of) energy (weaponisation). It’s my understanding that “Black” research in this field has been well underway for some decades already. Who came up with “insoluble puzzle” (unlösbare Rätsel) - to be more exact, unanswerable/irresolvable brainteaser/mystery/puzzle/riddle/enigma? I don’t know. Billy and the Plejaren use that expression and ones like it, but who exactly first coined the term might be an insoluble puzzle. Cheers! Dyson P.S. Anyone who says he understands Quantum Physics doesn't understand Quantum Physics. | ||
Vestri Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 02-2006 |
"Anyone who says he understands Quantum Physics doesn't understand Quantum Physics." Dyson, is that because at the quantum level anything can happen? e.g weird, there is no order, something can be in two places at same time. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 208 Registered: 03-2004 |
In response to the question about time and Planck time, Billy says that the smallest units of time, which he refers to as chronons, travel at the same speed as light in a vacuum, they have a physical length of 14700 x 10 to the power of -24mm, and a frequency of 20.394,047,62 x 10 to the power of 30 Hz. This does not mean that they are a tangible particle, but just that these units are the smallest existing, and thus measureable, units of time in the coarse matter world. There are smaller units of time in hyperspace, and in fact, as time passes and the speed of light reduces, our current chronons become tachyons and keep their same speed, thus becoming part of hyperspace. Any questions?!? Laughing but serious too ;-) Thomas | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 669 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Celestialbrother, I just remembered that Billy asked Ptaah something about the universality of time in the 269th contact on March 10th, 2001, if that is of any interest. Ptaah (verses 31 & 32) says that time is universally uniform in all dimensions and differences appear only in the past and future dimensions in the form of shift towards the present, but the time otherwise is uniform. When I asked Vivienne, she mentioned that Billy also describes chronons, which are what are commonly known (on Earth as it is in the heavens) as the indivisible quanta of time, being about two times ten to the minus 23rd power seconds each. (Give or take.) I hope this is what you were looking for. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 06-2006 |
Yeah Dyson, what you say is true. Quantum Physics is so vast it is impossible to know it all. It is good that the Plejarens keep their advanced knowledge of science away from the Earth scientists, who are ever intent on making mass weapons of destruction. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 671 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, Just one question, Thomas. Where did your info come from? Thanks. “Anyone who states they understand Quantum Mechanics, knows nothing or very little of Quantum Mechanics.” Richard P. Feynman (1918-1988), http://www.feynman.com/ The Quantum world is altogether too weird to get your brain around, but it was what spurred me to see the Newtonian world holistically. I had been (far too) deep into Quantumland for several months, when one day, while sitting on a log in the bush, thinking of nothing in particular – BANG! – I suddenly saw reality as ONE. My eyes filled with tears of joy and wonder and I think I almost fell off the log! I was in my twenties. I could never see reality the same way again, nor do I ever want to. I knew that - in nature - the holy (ie. ordered) Laws and Commandments of Creation were all around me. The Light was everywhere! Cheers! Dyson | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 209 Registered: 03-2004 |
My source was one of the later contact notes (forgot which one), plus one of Billy's books (Existing Life in the Universe, although there was an error in this book found by FIGU about the chronon subject-not sure if it has been corrected by addendum yet), and one of Guido Moosbrugger's books (Flugreisen Durch Zeit Und Raum). All sources mentioned have this info in them. | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 06-2006 |
Thomas, I am sorry but you have confused me. The smallest unit of time is a particle having physical dimensions? Dyson, the time span you mentioned in your post no. 669 is ~ 2 * 10^-23 sec, this seems plausible to me. Planck's time I found was ~5.4 * 10^-44 sec which is way too smaller than the choronons Billy mentioned. But, you know what? Planck got this by jumbling the quantum constants (G,h,c) together to get the dimension of time in the calculation and on giving numberical value he came up with Planck's time. In other words he offered no proof, no postulates, the formula is only dimensionally correct. | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 06-2006 |
Does the value of a Choronon change in every Creation? Has Billy spoke about this in contact no. 269? Dyson, perhaps you can say. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 213 Registered: 03-2004 |
I am not Dyson but I will volunteer the following info from Billy: The chronon changes in OUR creation as time passes. Any Creational Universe with a material belt will have changing chronons due to the fact that the laws are the same in all Creations of the same type. As time passes in a material universe during the expansion phase, the speed of light lowers and the current chronons become tachyons which become part of the past (which remains existing in hyperspace). | ||
Robert_p New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 03-2007 |
 Reading some of the comments above about homosexuality, compels me to state that, "we must always remember that homosexuality as it is being promoted in our modern times has several purposes." 1. To separate us into opposing camps so that we will fight each other. Men vs Women. 2. Destroy the family structure, and replace the idea of family with a totally bizarre idea of what family is. Like a family is one with 2 daddies, or a family is one with 2 mommies. Gays and straights are not identical. Their marriages are also very different. So why is the marital status identical? Tolerance and equal "human rights" are a ruse to destroy marriage by extending homosexual gender confusion to heterosexuals. 3. Eventually they want it to be established that if you are heterosexual then there is something wrong with you. 4. The final goal is to create a human being that is a conformist. That will fit nicely into their NWO. Simply: "Destroy the family and you destroy society." -- V.I. Lenin The Movie "1984" is always a good visual representation of what they have in mind for us all. Want to know more about why the NWO wants you and your children to be gay. Check out these sites: http://www.savethemales.ca/ http://www.culturebuster.com/ | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 06-2006 |
Okay, Thomas please explain me one concept I don't seem to understand. You say a chronon chnages in the course of creation, right? Now in the begining of this Creation the value of the chronon was(?) and at what rate does its value change? Also in the next creation will its value again start from the original value and have the same change? Another thing I really didn't get, HOW DO CHRONONS BECOME TACHYONS? Tahcyons are particles and chronons are units of time, isn't that as silly as saying One minute (time) became particles of dust (or whatever), plz explain this in terms as lucid and simple as possible Thanx | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 214 Registered: 03-2004 |
OK here goes, at the beginning of creation of the material belt, 44,069,497.5 km per second was the speed of the then chronons as well as the speed of light then. As time passes, the material speed of light decreases slowly and the chronons actually keep their original speed. Because of this, the chronons just become tachyons in name only because they don't change as such. They just stay the same, but since they have a higher speed than the current speed of light, they have to exist outside of our current space time framework. So in a manner of speaking, chronons really DON'T change unless you are talking about there classification. As time passes and new speed of light occurs, new chronons are created with the new speed. The new chronons are a result of the transformation of electrons into chronons. Electrons also can and do transform into photons. Billy doesn't say if photons electrons and chronons are discreet particles or not, SO they might just be units like seconds are just units of time and not really particles, but it seems to me that electrons ARE particles so maybe they are ALL particles. Other questions? I will try to answer if I can... | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 215 Registered: 03-2004 |
Chronon wavelength: 14700 x 10 to the power of negative 24mm Chronon frequency: 20.394,047,62 x 10 to the power of 30 Hz Current flow of chronons moves now with a speed of 299,792,458 km/sec | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 84 Registered: 06-2006 |
Thomas, I have understood you explaination of Chronons, Electrons and Photons. But as you said that they are all probably discreet particles. To measure time you need something that is in reference to a dynamic event. Like for instance, the present second is defined as the time taken for a Ceasium atom of hyperlevel....(blah, blah, don't know the details) or a second is THE TIME taken for light to travel 1/299792458 th of a meter the dist. So how can an Chronon which is a particle be used to measure time? because it is a particle it cannot be used as a time unit, that is what I don't get. Transforming Electron to Chronon, Electron to Photon all I agree is possible, but electron (particle) to one second (time) how? I hope you understood my query Thomas, I have tried to put it as simple as possible. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 217 Registered: 03-2004 |
Obviously I am no ET nor a Plejaren, but I will give you my understanding of this topic as simply and clearly as I can. First of all, I believe that when you get to the lower, finer levels of matter, the matter/energy there is less "concrete" and the line blurs between "solid" matter, and "fluidlike" energy. I am of the understanding that there is fundalmentally no difference other than density between matter and energy, and that discreet particles are only energy curled back in on itself, and thus particles are not really solid anyway. Only there specific interactions give them the appearance af being "solid." As far as chronons go, logic dictates that if they are the smallest units of time (UNITS are not necessarily particles though), then they must be the smallest entities in the physical, non-spiritual level, since no other smaller unit could be measured could be measured in less time. Therefore it seems to me that chronons MIGHT be particles OR they might just be the smallest non-tangible UNITS of time. Your guess is as good as mine. And by the way, since definite particles are just bound energy, it makes sense to me that a particle like an electron could decay into photons, chronons etc. even if the latter are just units of energy. After all, a positrons and electrons DO annihilate each other on contact to produce pure electromagnetic energy... | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 03-2007 |
Thomas, you might be interested to know, if you don’t already, that what you write in your post 214 is consistent with “string theory.” String theory proclaims, for instance, that the observed particle properties (electron, gluon, photon, bosons, quarks, etc.) are a reflection of the various ways in which a string can vibrate. Just as the strings on a violin or on a piano have resonant frequencies at which they prefer to vibrate - patterns that our ears sense as various musical notes - the same holds true for the loops of string theory. But rather than producing musical notes, each of the preferred patterns of vibration of a string in string theory appears as a particle whose mass and force charges are determined by the string’s oscillatory pattern. The electron is a string vibrating one way, the photon is a string vibrating another way, and so on. Regards Bob | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 03-2007 |
Celestrialbrother, you are thinking of space and time as being separate. When Einstein introduced his Theory of Special Relativity to the world, it articulated a union between space and time. This merger was summarized by the poetic words of Minkowski, who, during a lecture on Special Relativity less than a year later said, "Henceforward, space on its' and time on its' own will decline into mere shadows, and only a kind of union between the two will preserve its' independence." In more down-to-earth but similarly imprecise language, by knitting space and time together into the unified structure of "spacetime," Special Relativity declares, "WHAT'S TRUE FOR SPACE IS TRUE FOR TIME." It was from this speech that the phrase "spacetime" and "spacetime continuum" were given birth. Regards Bob | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 06-2006 |
Bob, the Special Theory of Relativity is incorrect the Plejarens have said this themselves. | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 03-2007 |
They didn't say is incorrect, only not always totally true. If it would be incorrect, our cellular phones wouldn't work properly. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 03-2004 |
To be accurate, they said Einstein Theory was PARTIALLY incorrect... | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 06-2006 |
Franco, The special theory of relativity was based on two postulates of which one is wrong, that is there is nothing that can exceed the speed of light (c = 299792458 m/s) in any frame of reference. The Plejarens have themselves said that this is wrong, neither have I ever believed this postulate to be right. Our cell phones have little to do with STR beig right, they are based on satellites and laws of electromagnetism. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2007 |
Celestialbrother, I have already understood that the Plejarens have negated Einstein's believe that nothing can exceed the speed of light. That is obvious. But they have not negated what I said in my post #21 about spacetime. And it appears you are trying to infer that they have. So if I am in error, please cite the reference so I may be enlightened. Regards Bob | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 03-2007 |
Satellites and cellular phones communications are calculated using einstein's theory, if it would be mathematically incorrect we couldn't phone properly because there would a little but important mistake in the electromagnetic messages conveyances. And also it is true that nothing can exceed the speed of light, you can only TRAVEL faster than light but in hyperspace where there is not real MOVEMENT. Einstein knew about this possibility and about hyperspace. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 221 Registered: 03-2004 |
Wrong Franco. Sorry to argue your point but it is incorrect. Relativity has NOTHING at all to do with satellite communications. The little mistakes you talk about already do exist but they are compensated for and they are a result of electronic noise, etc. and NOT due to any kind of reletavistic effect. I am qualified to comment on this because I actually went to a technical school as a young adult for electronics and communications specifically. Although it has been a while since then, I do keep up with technology and physics in general, and there is nothing on the scale of satellite communications that is linked with relativity. There are things like doppler effect, etc. etc. etc., but those things are standard mechanics and normal everyday physics, not relativity in the Einsteinian use of the word... | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 222 Registered: 03-2004 |
FYI satellite orbits are calculated with Newton's old concepts and math, as well as with the theories and math of Kepler, in case you would like to research the truth further ;-) | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 773 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All Gentlemen! I admirer all your postings here, concerning the matter(s). It seems that you all have the correct knowledge of what is being discussed, and I myself, am opened for what Billy as well as the Plejarans have to say; and do agree with what you ALL have to say. I too, did remember, that Billy and the Plejarans did once mentioned that Einstein's Theory was (somewhat) - Partially - incorrect: and thus, still has to be - PERFECTED -; as the Teachings tells us. Just as many other scientists, here on Earth: which is nothing wrong with. As our today's Science is just a 'reflection' of our Time and Evolution, just also, as in many other things. But, you all...please DO continue with your explanations! This will also refresh my memory....: it is a very Wonderbaarlijk...topic! Truly: the Marvelous of Creational Laws..... Edward. | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 06-2006 |
Phi_spiral, speaking frankly I am not a physicist or an expert in physics. But I cannot understand how a particle's dimensions can be used as a time unit (ie. for measuring time). But, I do agree that the MOTION of such a particle can be, because otherwise it seems illogial. Its like saying an 'electron equals 2 seconds' is there a meaning in that statement. A choronon is a particle and we say it is so and so seconds. Francofiori, Are you saying the Special theory of relativity is correct? The STR (Special Theory of Relativity) is one the most baseless theories ever. The working of mobile phones and stuff are little connected to STR being right. Whether it was right or wrong, we can't really detect it, with the size of the Earth and the speed of object we have. Now one of the fastest moving thing built by man (Earth) moves at around 200 km/sec, even if we keep a clock inside it will show negligible change to even detect. Maybe after keeping it for a 10,000 years in that speed we should observe a seconds difference (that is if STR is right), who will carry out this experiment? If we have to really check this then, only the plejarens can do it for us. Now, if the Plejaren beamships travel their ship about 4 ly in 8 years, rectilinear(which is slow for them), then according to the results derived from the postulates of Einstein, we should have the clocks inside their ship lagging behind ours, is anything like this observed. Does any mass of object in the ship increase while travelling close to light? All these clearly show that Einstein's thoughts were wrong. I don't think the Plejarens always travel in hyperspace, do they? So, probably they have already checked this out to see no such change. I think you can travel faster than light not only in hyperspace but even otherwise, and all those equations of mass increase, time dilation and length contraction are wrong. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 234 Registered: 04-2006 |
What's wrong with Einstein's theories is that the public has idolized him as an icon, and nobody dares to refute Einstein, because refuting Einstein today is a scientific capital sin. As Edward says, there are a few parts of Einsteins theories that need revision, but nobody dares to revise them.Gravity, in my opinion, is a complete fabrication in relativity.The scientific community has to rework all those einstenian inconsistencies once again, but that won't happen in the near future as Einsteins theories have become sacred. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2007 |
Celestialbro:"But I cannot understand how a particle's dimensions can be used as a time unit (ie. for measuring time). <snip> Its like saying an 'electron equals 2 seconds' is there a meaning in that statement." “Few physicists would concede that time does flow or move. It is simply 'there', like space.”* It is possible to telescope time dramatically using high-speed sub-atomic particles. Whirled around in a giant accelerator very close to the speed of light, particles called ‘muons’ have been ‘kept alive’ for dozens of times longer than would be expected if they were at rest. Equally extraordinary effects afflict space, which is also elastic. “When time is stretched, space is shrunk. Rushing on a train through a railway station, the station clock runs slightly slower as viewed from your frame of reference, relative to that of a porter on the platform. In compensation, the platform appears to you to be somewhat shorter. Of course we never notice such effects because they are too small at ordinary speeds, but they are easily measured on sensitive instruments. The mutual distortions of space and time can be regarded as a conversion of space (which shrinks) into time (which stretches). A second of time, however, is worth an awful lot of space - about 186,000 miles to be precise.”* Regards Bob * excerpted from, “God & The New Physics,” by Paul Davies | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 06-2006 |
"Rushing on a train through a railway station, the station clock runs slightly slower as viewed from your frame of reference, relative to that of a porter on the platform. In compensation, the platform appears to you to be somewhat shorter. Of course we never notice such effects because they are too small at ordinary speeds, but they are easily measured on sensitive instruments" You are again talking about the STR, which is without proof. Why does it matter if a physicist like Paul wrote it? There are many other physicist who are of a different opinion and that is the Special Theory of Relativity is wrong. I still don't understand, what he meant when he said a second is worth an awful lot of space and that is 186,000 miles. Firstly, 186,000 miles is LENGTH NOT SPACE. Secondly, what does the word 'worth' mean here? | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 03-2007 |
Celstialbrother, if you go back and re-read my post 25, you'll see that it is based on measurable/observable data. Regards Bob | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 03-2007 |
Celestialbro, here's the thing... I can cite you numerous experiments that support the same conclusions as in my post #25. As an example, the elasticity of time is most directly demonstrated by flying clocks in space. Yes, time really does run faster in space - it's not just a theory. The P's have said that Einstein's STR needs some adjustment, NOT that it is completely wrong. Yet you remain entrenched in your believe that it is. Since your mind is already made up on the matter, I'm going to move on. Regards Bob | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 06-2006 |
We are all ready to move on, that is why I give the posts in this forum, and wait for a response from the forum members. But, could you explain what these terms that you use exactly mean. Like, 186000 miles are worth one second. | ||
Francofiori2004 Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2007 |
Well anyway nobody can deny the equation E=Mc2 is correct, and that is 90% of einstein's theory. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 235 Registered: 04-2006 |
E= mc2 would be completely right in the case that c is a fixed value.The plejaren say C is not a constant since it depends on the expansion rate of the universe.If the universe expands, c decreases.This decrease is extremely slow, so it can be simplified to be constant.Einstein was almost right, but c is neither constant nor the ultimate frontier. | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 90 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hector, Do we know from the Plejarens how c decreases, like in a billion years how much will the value of c decrease by? | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 243 Registered: 07-2004 |
Celestialbrother, 186,000 miles are approximately how far light travels in a second. I say approximately because the actual speed of light is not a constant and is part of what throws our scientists off in the search for more perfect equations. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 238 Registered: 04-2006 |
They say at the beginning of this creation ( the big bang), C had a value of 44.069.497,5 km/s (147 times faster than today). I have no information about if it can decrease to zero, but seems logical. What is written in "Existentes leben im Universum", Celestialbrother, is that C reduces itself to the half every 6.347 billion years.That means, in 1 billion years C will decrease roughly 23 km/s.Almost insignificant. There is an expansion phase and there is a contraction phase as well ( big crunch).At the end of the expansion phase, in about 264.000 billion years, C should approach zero. The expansion phase is intended to last 311.040 billion years, and 47.000 billion years seem to have already passed. In "normal" Hyperspace you can travel up to 147 times faster than c.(visit to our syrius mothaf*cka creators, and back, in just merely 40 days). In order to achive more than that ( up to 10^7000 c), you have to neutralize/shield the ship from physical laws, therefore you paralyze the expansion rate of the universe and enter null-time.Something similar to antigravity.You just shield the ship from gravity, and then it floats.That specific physical law of gravity does not affect the ship anymore. | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey Hector, Useful information! If c does reduce to half in every 6.347 byrs, then it can never become zero. Because no matter how many times you half a finite no it never become zero. Did the Plejarens make an approximation? You correctly said that there are approximately 264 billion years left for this Creation to finish. The number of 6.347 byrs left are 41.5944 (As 41.5944 * 6.347 = 264 approx.) so the speed of light in the end of this 264 billion years span should be [c/(2^41.5944)] which according to calculation equals 9.02939 * 10^-5 m/s which is almost zero, so this is one time we can catch a photon! Bt wait, Hector, have the Plejarens said that it will become exactly zero? | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 207 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hector, Traveling to meet these people would probably have serious (no pun intended) repercussions time wise... Like maybe forty thousand years (just a guess did not calculate) would have passed when you get back in forty days. Null time is the way to go. NO TIME. Directly proportional to the mass which also reaches null. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 241 Registered: 04-2006 |
CB,I have not the quote , i read just an excerpt from the book ,i cant provide the answer to C=0 at the end of the expansion phase, but you have made the rough calculations which i didnt do, and it seems absolutely logical that there will be an instant when expansion=contraction, c=O. Rarena, i have not thought about the time dilation effects.That is explained in "Flugreisen durch Zeit und Raum". http://www.figu.org/de/shop/leseproben/flugreisen_durch_zeit_und_raum.pdf. I think time dilation only takes place below C speed, but i cant prove it.The plejaren shielding should protect them from time dilation and mass increase. The plejaren also say that a safety distance is needed (153 million km.)in order to jump to hyperspace so that no other object than the ship is catched and pulled into Hyperspace, event that would mean the planet or object propelled like a rocket into other orbits, like the Destroyer comet. In contact 251 its said that we well program an expedition, Star-Trek alike, to Sirius to visit our creators.Year 2800 i guess. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 242 Registered: 04-2006 |
Correction. I said time dilation can only take place below C.Wrong.Lyrian space travelers have been misplaced millions of years in time while they perfected hyperspace jumps.Billy probably one of them. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 03-2004 |
According to Billy, the speed of light decreases with a half-life (not radioactive though) of 6,347,755,102,040 years. This means that after that number of years passes, the speed of light will be half of what it was at the beginning of that period. It actually calculates out that light reduces, according to this figure and Billy, at an INCREDIBLY slow rate. Source: "Flugreisen" AND Contact on 2/3/1979 with Quetzal | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 237 Registered: 03-2004 |
You guys are not understanding that, as lightspeed decreases, our space-time is connected to that speed, SO light will still seem just as fast to us later as it does now. YES light will be slower then, but it will not make a difference in our perception of its incredible speed at any time in the future. The contraction phase, and thus, the re-increasing period of light speed, will happen LONG before light is very slow in everyday terms. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 238 Registered: 03-2004 |
Another clarification to what Hector said: The displacements of travellers happens due to time shift (on accident of course) and not due to time dilation. Time dilation is neutralized in hyperspace, thus impossible there. These people who were lost during hyperspace travel can inadvertently re-enter space time in the wrong place, or in a wrong-for-them dimension. Time dilation has nothing at all to do with it. Just thought that info might help... Source: Smejase contacts (multiple) | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hector, If c halves every 6.347 billion years then it will keep getting slower and slower but never become zero. So how do you say it will become zero? Another thing, Billy is a Lyrian space traveller..? | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 245 Registered: 04-2006 |
CB, replace zero by almost zero.I'm not too strong in Physics, i try to do my best...We do not know where Henoch (Billy) came from, about 400.000 years ago.I imagine, suppose it was some kind of accident, his fate connected to the Destroyer comet, or he was one of those Lyrian IHWH that went astray.That info has not been given yet.Just my opinion. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 242 Registered: 03-2004 |
The "c" constant will never reach zero in our material because it will not have enough time to reduce by that much. The expansion phase will reverse into contraction LONG before C reaches anywhere close to zero. During the contraction phase, C increases again. Is that clear enough? I am not Hector but I do have the information you are asking about... | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 06-2006 |
How many years are left from the expansion phase to be completed, Thomas? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1169 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hector, To my knowledge, Billy's Spirit form has nothing to do with Lyra, but originated from the Lasan group of planets, which I think do not exist anymore. Where did you hear about the destroyer comet having anything to do with Billy's "fate"? To my knowledge, the person who carried Billy's spirit form, flew to this planet, I don't know if the personality of Henoch was actually born here, or he flew here and then died.?? CB, I was under the impression there is 108,520,000,000,000 years left of this current expansion phase of Creation, before it starts to contract. Scott | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 247 Registered: 04-2006 |
The expansion-contraction cycles are well explained. Expansion= "wake" period 311.040 billion years Contraction= "sleep" period, 311.040x7 billion years. "So beläuft sich der erste Lebenstag der Schöpfung respektive des Universums auf 311'040'000'000'000 Jahre, um dann durch eine Kontraktion wieder in sich zusammenzusinken und um in eine Ruhezeit von derselben jedoch 7fach erhöhten Zahl von Jahren eingeordnet zu sein." Keywords Kontraktion, Ruhezeit (quiet time), 7fach ( 7times) 46.000 billion years, not 47, have already passed.(http://www.gaiaguys.net/Meierv6p406-413.htm) | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 06-2006 |
Scott and Hector and all I was reading recently a good article or post, can't remember which one, by Hans Lanzendorfer, on Henok and Henoch. It was quite enlightening. He mentioned that Henok and Henoch were two different personalities who lived at different times. He says that Henok was the original name, and it was eventually changed to Henoch over some billions of years (about 4 bill I think). So, it seems that Nokodemjon was the originator of the spiritual teachings and the spirit symbols, and Henok later resumed the mission that Nokodemjon had begun 12 billion years ago in a far galaxy. This is my interpretation and translation, so bear with me -- and hopefully there won't be too many errors! So, Nokod. first appeared 12 billion yrs ago, and over the next 4 billion years, several more Nokodemjons appeared in an unknown number of personalities, but with the same name, in order to help the mission. Henok was the name that took the place of the name Nokodemjon about 8 billion years ago, and this Henok line also was still not on Earth, but in an other galaxy. Henok's last appearance was 389,000 yrs ago. The name was then ammended to Henoch, of which there were 3. The last of these Henochs, was the 1st earth one, 9,308 yrs ago. So, there it is! I really enjoyed getting this information. I just can't remember where, but when I do, will post it, so anyone can check it out for themselves. in peace Robjna | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 248 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Scott what i suggested is that somehow Billy's spiritform had to arrive to Earth.And i suggested possible scenarios to that question.Such about the reasons that led Billys spiritform to end up here.That information has not been given, or is not clear. But ok, perhaps it was not a good idea to suggest such possibilities and to think about that. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1171 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hector, Here is a question I asked Billy a few years ago: Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 08:02 pm: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Billy, I hope you are doing well. As I understand the teachings once a person dies on a planet his/her spirit form is tied to that planet to continue its reincarnational cycle. I also understand spirit forms can relocate to another planet if their world has been destroyed such as Malona. In the case of your spirit form, your reincarnational linage as a prophet started with the incarnation of Enoch which occurred over 13,000 years ago. Are you free to state how your spirit form arrived on planet Earth to start its reincarnational cycle? Thanks very much Salome Scott Answer Henok flew in and died here on Earth. I think we should continue this discussion in a different thread if it goes any farther | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 243 Registered: 03-2004 |
You have made a mistake Hector. The figure is 311 TRILLION years and that refers to the total time including contraction AND expansion. The seven fold figure after that is the rest period BETWEEN this expansion/contraction phase and the next one. You can verify this info in many many places. Kind regards, Thomas | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 249 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Thomas, 311.000 billion (spanish billion) = 311 Trillion.  I will need further information about the 311 trillion period including the contraction cycle, because the text i provided says the contrary.Anyway i'll try to ask the moderators in the German forum about this. Indi,Scott thanks for your input that was more than i expected. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 250 Registered: 04-2006 |
I received reply from H.Lanzendorfer, i was wrong you were right.The info about this topic can be read in the book Genesis, or in Figu-Bulletin Nr.15 Also, a correct and summarized version of all this was posted by Phaethonsfire some time ago.(Celestialbrother, c will reduce itself to a maximum limit of 336 km/s) http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/3560.html#POST11915 | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 06-2006 |
Thanks Hector, I was about to do the calculation! So thats like about 892 times slower. But, then as someone said, would the speed seem the same to humans then, as we find it now? I don't know who, but someone suggested that. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 210 Registered: 10-2005 |
Wanted to correct a semantic. 56. Creation itself never gives commands because it embodies the greatest power in this universe, and never has to resort to commands or religions. | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey, I was thinking if the time quanta, the Chronon (smallest time unit) changes in every creation or is it constant for all Creations? | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 275 Registered: 03-2004 |
A chronon, if I remember correctly, is only existing in a material universe. Since later forms of Creation have no material universe, I would assume that there are no chronons in them. That being said, there IS a form of time in Creation and hyperspace, but this is measured in immeasurably higher values according to BEAM. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 03-2007 |
Rob: "Even though there are the rules of creation there really is 'no right way to live life'. For with out those that do not live with in the rules of creation we would have nothing to learn from by example. So we can not place judgment on the way any one person lives their life, even if we no it to be against creation.” Certainly, there is always “free-will” within Creation. Just as certainly there are consequences to every choice we make. Talmud of Jmmanuel, Chapter 5: 19. “Whoever violates one of the smallest of the laws or directives and teaches the people falsely, will be called the smallest; but whosoever spreads the teachings truthfully will be called great and will receive the reward of the spirit. It’s a lot different than choosing between vanilla or chocolate ice-cream for “variety” sake. And it’s certainly a lot more than semantics. Civilizations have come and gone on this planet and their demise can always be attributed to living outside of Creational Laws. This planet is at that nexus once again. I think we have already “learned” enough from their example. Which course would you like to see our civilization go? The Plejarens and others in their Federation still find ways to learn without repeating the same mistakes over and over. Earth is a beautiful planet and I am committed to its’ survival. To that end, I choose to encourage people to make the “right” decisions in keeping with the Laws of Creation. Again and again. Perhaps much more than is comfortable. It may take heroic proportions. Rob: “The key is balance it is what creation strives for.” Our planet has been “out-of-balance” for far too long due to “wrongful living”. And it’s now going to take a preponderance of “rightful living” to compensate. It is what creation strives for. This is just my opinion. But I hope you will see the logic in what I am saying. Regards Bob | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 05-2007 |
Greetings to all This is an excerpt from the website galactic-server.com http://www.galactic-server.com/rune/semjeng8.html The Asap Galaxy 960 decillion light years from Earth, on a world called DESOM, two different societies live, both human. One is in the middle ages and the other is beginning to build huts from plants and bushes. Their sun is dying and within 3200 years their moon will crash into the sun. They should have reached a technology to help themselves by then but if they haven't, the Laws of Creation provide that they be helped. Could someone explain the underlined part? Salome ashwin | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hi Ashwin, It could be probably mean that the Laws Of Creation state that when a people are in need of help, it should be given to them. Like in this case if there Technology does not advance, they will have to be helped by some ET's, and be taken to another planet, which is in accordance with the Laws of Creation Even in our case, we are being helped by the Plejarens and the Timmers, so that we escape our religous beliefs (which are alarmingly, the highest on our planet), and work towards PEACE and CREATION, rather than waging wars on each other. Salome Aditya | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 07-2007 |
Hi Ashwin, It basically means that when a people are in need of help it should be give to them Like in this case if the technology on DESOM does not advance, they will be given help by ET's and will be put on another Planet. Ours is another case where we are being give help by the Plejerans adn the Timmers. They fear our religious beliefs (which are the highest ever seen anywhere) and our wars will one day destroy us, so they are helping us to work towards PEACE and CREATION, and let go of the beliefs that hinder our SPIRITUAL PATH. Salome Aditya | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 06-2006 |
In response to comments on the 'Religion' thread in Non-figu related area: The 12 Commandments were received by Billy telepathically from the Petale level with assistance from the Arahat Athersata level, from 14th October 1975 to 17th November 1975, in eleven parts/sections. The name of the book is 'Dekalog Dodekalog' --- and I might add, that if you only could read one book of Billy's, then if this one was the only one you ever saw/read, there is enough contained within its pages to carry you throughout your present life, with the advice on how to live your life following Creational Law, and therefore to evolve. This book and the TJ seems to cover the laws we need to be aware of and then follow, so at the very least would serve as a basis of the teachings. Of course, if one wanted more in depth understanding all the other publications will provide that. Dekalog Dodekalog is not a large book, and there are discussions within its pages that are also found in OM. I wholeheartedly reccomend it. Also, it translates quite well without too much effort. I would also like to offer that Dietmar Rothe has put together a lecture on the key teachings of Jmmanuel, which in part demonstrates the commandments, and compares to the biblical ones briefly. This lecture is available as a video style format, as well as in a document form, and Dietmar has created some very nice diagrams to display it all. Here is a link that seems to work -- as some don't at the moment: http://web.archive.org/web/20060513101420/www.avilabooks.com/Jmmanuel1.htm This is a transcript, with the graphics of his video presentation from a UFO conference in Laughlin. I am sure some of you will find this material very helpful. In peace Robjna | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 119 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Robjna Thanks a million kazillion for the link !  I would have never found it on the web myself. But i remember seeing the presentation somewhere in google video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4456718257246044523&q Thanking You ashwin | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 311 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hello sirashwin, "The Asap Galaxy ["As Soon As Possible" galaxy! Billy's material often has the misfortune of looking like a joke to the serious investigator] 960 decillion light years from Earth, on a world called DESOM, two different societies live, both human. One is in the middle ages and the other is beginning to build huts from plants and bushes. Their sun is dying and within 3200 years their moon will crash into the sun. They should have reached a technology to help themselves by then but if they haven't, the Laws of Creation provide that they be helped." Assuming this is correct, perhaps in the future it might be we who will go and assist in...3,190(?) years time. cpl | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Cpl But isn't one not allowed to interfere with their evolution. Just like we on earth have to rid ourselves all the problems with no external help. So i was wondering in which all situations is helping allowed? Thanking You ashwin | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 93 Registered: 05-2007 |
Sirashwin i think they are not allowed to help if it's a problem caused by the inhabitants of the planet. but if it isn't and the people can't protect themselves than the p's can lend a helping hand. like when they stopped/redirected a certain meteor from it's course to earth. they had a name for that meteor but i do not remember it right now. | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Dave Is the meteor you are talking about the Destroyer Comet? But won't they be a planet with human life somewhere in the universe in the course of collision with an asteroid or in some cosmic influenced catastrophe, every single day. And out of these there is a fair chance that some would have not so developed human life. So do the Plejarens and their federation always help in such cases? And does it exactly come under as a Law of Creation? Thanking You ashwin | ||
Adityasonakia Member Post Number: 62 Registered: 07-2007 |
Dear Ashwin, Well I think giving a helping hand in situations where it is needed id the right thing to do. Ashwin: "But won't they be a planet with human life somewhere in the universe in the course of collision with an asteroid or in some cosmic influenced catastrophe, every single day. And out of these there is a fair chance that some would have not so developed human life." Yes you are right, but also they may be getting some help from Developed planets which are closer to them. Maybe the Plejaren and other peaceful and friendly ships go on a scouting mission to far worlds to check if there is any problem which may come to the planet. Salome Aditya | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 396 Registered: 03-2004 |
"The Destroyer" | ||
Baselineplayer Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 09-2007 |
"The Destroyer" = "der Zerstörer" I would rather regard this entity as a drifting planet than a comet because its mass is much more than the mass of our own Earth. If I do not remember wrong the mass is to be about 1.5 or 1.7 ME (ME = Earth Mass) of this wandering planet. Med Bästa Hälsningar / Mit Besten Grüssen / With Best Regards /Baselineplayer | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 322 Registered: 08-2004 |
Dear ashwin, Re your post 124 above, as I understand the Meier material it looks like in the case of celestial catastrophe not of the humans' own doing that help can be given (assuming that referred info was correct). If the catastrophe were due to the actions of the humans there we would not be able to assist, because it would be something they had brought upon themselves. In other words, people must learn from their own mistakes, but can be assisted when disaster strikes from outside. The Ps for example directed the Destroyer away from us; it was none of our doing that it was coming here to cause great havoc. Best, cpl | ||
Sirashwin Member Post Number: 156 Registered: 05-2007 |
Dear Chris But would they do the same if that planet had only animals and plants, with no humans? And if i remember in one contact it is mentioned that the Destroyer Comet had destroyed their home-worlds. So why weren't they helped like we were now? Thanking You ashwin | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 323 Registered: 08-2004 |
Dear ashwin, "But would they do the same if that planet had only animals and plants, with no humans?" Maybe they could salvage some unique plants and animals if they wanted to; but I can't comment for what the Ps might do. You'd better ask Billy that. "And if i remember in one contact it is mentioned that the Destroyer Comet had destroyed their home-worlds. So why weren't they helped like we were now?" Maybe help was not available then. It takes an extremely advanced race to do something like redirect a rouge planet/dwarf star throughout the universe so that no further harm occurs anywhere; even directing it into a sun would cause disruptions to that sun's solar system. A planet/sun like that will just keep going in space until it hits something eventually. It also seems to take approval from higher beings -- the Andromeda High council in our case, according to the Ps through Billy. Best, cpl |
