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Victor Diaz
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 08, 2000 - 01:07 pm: | 
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Hi Andrew:
Waiting for an answer or a comment from Figu to solve my prior posting, but as there is no answer I will give my opinion on the subject.
The case is not simple and so the answer but following contact 251 and Asket dialogs with Billy and taking a look on NASA pictures of the Red Planet from GMS on geological features some light could be turn on to see a planet with severe injuries from outside space, most probably large metoric impacts(ateroids or comets, big planet fragments) and strong deformational events in its crust.
Considering that a huge comet or wandering planet called Destroyer(Contact 251,150, 5)just from a short time ago in the Earth time scale (75,000 years acording to Christian Frehner , Bull 20; Guido M.)began to influence our Sol System and made large devastation on Earth and other planet, that was occasionally Mars(Billy Contact 251). Mars was wrenched by this huge space vagabound and changed its orbit with that of Malona’s. The inhabitants of Mars emigrated to Earth and Malona, but this last one was almost devastated when it drifted away due to the Destroyer cosmic influences. Many milenia later the inhabitants of Malona blow up their planet (Billy Contact 251) and made a cosmic devastation that afected Mars once again, throwing it out of orbit and suffering a wide range meteoric bombardment almost destroying its actual south hemisphere and ended with all life forms. Venus also had been affected by this Destroyer planet from its original orbit within the Uranus system; between 10,300 ago (Guido M. ) and 6,300 years (Christian F.)Venus was sent into the orbits of the inner planets of the Sol System and settled in its present orbit between Mercury and Earth just 3,500 years ago without life. The Earth as stated above, was devasted by this comet too, during the Great Flood event around 10,000 years ago.
Mars and Malona sustained life as Earth (Contact 251), so the sun must had a different activity that differs from present. Mars actually is almost freeze in its surface with a regolithic permafrost of kilometers in deep and a thin atmosphere; to molten that ice on its surface Mars must be closer to the sun just where the Earth is right now. If Mars was on the orbit where the actual Astheroids belts is and sustained life, human life, the sun had to be stronger to heat that planet so far and the Earth was a convection oven with a very thik cover of cluods! The posibilty of these three planets to hold life as we know it was its relative position closer to the sun (that was warmer), and not very far from each other. The Sirius people had detected all this when they approached the Sol S. in their exodus travel and settled in two of these planets because of their atmospheric conditions millions of years ago.
Regards
Victor |
Victor Diaz
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2000 - 02:37 pm: |
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Dear Christian I hope you be well:
I have a comment and a question for the spyder about facts and figures one more time; I think you already know what I am going to ask you about the Destroyer Comet so it is going to be easy to solve. Calling back the pages of the Bull.20 in the article from you about this voyager of the sky you mentioned a date for a possible return of this messenger of destruction that will come again in the year 3,175 aprox.; it is said in Contact 251 about an extension of the orbit of this comet and it will come back in 1,180 years. So if the last date that it was around this neighborhood was 1,680 and if it has a more or less a period of 575.5 years of orbital time the numbers gives us the following:
1,680+575.5=2,255.5 (a date that has been dismissed to a posible return due orbital expansion)
1,680+1,180+575.5=3,435.5 (last orbital period plus extension)
1,995+1,180=3,175 (A silly calculation but matches with Christian’s number: 1,995 was the date when Contact 251 was written)
3,175-1,680=1,495 (the new orbital period in years)
The figure that you showed us it’s quiet different from the data collected in the Figu literature; you had used 1,495 years to be considered for a new orbital period and you had not mentioned a similar period before(figures in years for orbital periods that you had mentioned from Quetzal are: 533, 618, 575.5, 489, 662, 578, 573). This number represents 2.6 times more in orbital time period than the last one of 575.5 years. It is a lot of time that had been added to the orbit of this comet. We also know that this new orbital time is the result of some people modifications:
From Contact 251:“The "Destroyer" ensconced itself in the SOL system where it also wreaked much havoc. Over time it decreased its orbiting period to an average of 575.5 years; however, the Pleiadians/Plejarans have since increased this interval again. As a result, the "Destroyer" will again appear in the SOL system in about 1180 years. The Pleiadians/Plejarans were unable to completely knock the planet off course, as they had planned; nonetheless, they did change the Destroyer's orbiting period and rotation time in such a way that it presents no longer any danger --- at least for the time being. Normally, the planet would have returned in the year 2255 with devastating, destructive results.” This people gave us 920 years more and I hope that they will be enough for earth humans to work full time to get out from here.
The purpose of the above is to show the audience how the figures were obtained. Some of us need some of this obsolete traditions to understand things.
For the very much distant and future generations a purpose will be to have a land outside Earth and SOL system, meanwhile many changes in the terrestrial humans should take place for their own; nevertheless they shall hurry up man, extraterrestrial land costs and travel expensses are going to raise quickly, I heard of some bargains at the Star Oaks Apartments in Erra! Let’s go to have a look!
Regards,
Victor |
Andrew C. Cossette
| | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2000 - 08:39 am: |
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Hello Victor,
In a very recent contact, Billy was told that the "Destroyer" comet will NOT come back now (ever). The Plejarans had something to do with this, but I received no further information when I was told about this, e.g., whether it was deflected or completely destroyed. Therefore, ALL prophecies in Contact 251 pertaining to the Destroyer comet will not happen.
Kind regards,
Andrew |
Norm
| | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2000 - 08:52 am: |
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Thats good news, I always wondered why the Plejarans didn't just destroy it in the first place. |
Savio
| | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2000 - 08:50 pm: |
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Hi Norm
Delighted to learn that the "Destroyer" is not going to come back again.
Is it really a good or bad news?
I would think that a comet takes a very important role during the evolution of our universe, it destorys and creates lives. The most important thing is it brings "Changes" and "Chances" for new life form.
Perhaps deflecting the "Destroyer" is better than completely destroying it.
Regards
Savio |
Norm
| | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2000 - 08:42 am: |
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The question is, is the Destroyer a ET made problem from the past? If so, I feel it should be corrected. If it was natural, then maybe it should be left alone. |
Christian Frehner
| | Posted on Thursday, August 24, 2000 - 01:49 pm: |
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Hi Scott,
Regarding your question of July 14 regarding "chakras": When I asked Billy about this topic (yesterday) he told me, that what normally is interpreted into the term "chakra" is false. The chakras are NO energy centers or power centers (and they don't look like they are depicted in books, etc.) This is false teaching that leads back to ancient times (hinduism and buddhism). What is commonly named/understood as a chakra is indeed a "nerve point" or "reflex point", like they are known on the sole of the foot.
Billy doesn't know whether the "chakras" have something in common, or are important, with acupuncture.
Salome,
Christian |
red
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2000 - 02:22 pm: |
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hi
what is the cause for the problems we are facing on the planet today?
Thanks |
Mark Campbell
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 06, 2000 - 07:30 pm: |
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Hi Red ; The long fingers of misunderstanding ( the root of all chaos and mayhem in my opinion) can be traced back to the dominance of religion of people's minds.I see it like this ; if one were to believe that they only had this one lifetime( due to the christian dogma) then they might feel pressured or denied opportunities by age , location , etc. This pressure might build up a bit of depravity , and cause the person to be a little devious. Also , the "forgiveness and confession" aspect of this religion has led many a person to do whatever they want to do; the "master in the sky" will always "forgive and wash clean the sins"....for a while. Consider this , that if you thought someone, a god , were watching you , you would think that you would really straighten up your act - but it's not always like that. Somewhere in the subconscious mind , a person knows that it is his own consciousness that watches over him from within, because only this makes sense .They act independently because they know that there is no such monitor watchdog.Much of religion, as I see it , is sponsorship - "all together" mentality.Club thinking. As long as they all agree, that makes it "true".If people really implemented the relation of self to others ,then they would be far more considerate, and realize that they really ARE the other person , so to speak. Large companies dump waste and destroy the planet because they actually think they aren't coming back to experience the lack that they have created. This could very possibly be why bad things happen to good people. Past actions have to be evened up by present lessons.I could go on , as conversation would lead, but I'm sure others have thoughts on this. I's a good topic, with thousands of examples , I'm sure. Mark |
Andrew C. Cossette
| | Posted on Thursday, September 07, 2000 - 03:55 pm: |
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Hello Red,
According to Arahat Athersata it was the French Revolution.
Kind regards,
Andrew |
Scott Baxter
| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2000 - 09:35 pm: |
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Hello Andrew
You made a post on Aug 16, 2:20 pm regarding an e-mail that would be mailed out in 2 weeks regarding a message from Billy about the contact notes.
Have you heard anything new in regards to this?
Thanks
Scott B. |
Jani Metso
| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2000 - 08:08 am: |
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Hello,
I'm little confused about the Peace Meditation times. I live in Finland and hope you could help me to configure this right - I don't want to be lost with this.
1. When you say that the Peace Meditation takes place on Saturdays at 6:30 and 8:00 p.m. Central European Standard Time and on - does that mean the Meditation must be done two times per day?
2. What about summer times? I'm not sure if we have summer time here in Finland at the time it's
in Switzerland.
3. Is Central European Standard Time same as the time used in Switzerland?
I'm really little lost with this and I'd still like to participate in the Peace Meditation.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks,
Jani |
Phil McAiney
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2000 - 11:52 pm: |
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Hello Jani:
There is an 8-page description of the background and reasons for doing the Peace Meditation that you can download from the FIGU Web Site at the following URL:
www.figu.ch/us/figu/peacemedi.htm
It will clarify the times to do it and how often.
Finland is like Canada, where I live, so I want to see you do good. :)
Salome,
Philip |
Anthony Alagna
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2000 - 03:48 pm: |
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Hello,
For anyone looking for a great Web site for getting worldwide time zones (with Summer Time notation) to coordinate with Switzerland for the Peace Meditation, check out www.timeanddate.com.
This link goes to a clock I set up listing the current date and time of Zürich, along with the corresponding times in Los Angeles, Mexico City, New York, Helsinki, and a few other cities.
Regards,
Anthony |
Norm
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2000 - 01:54 pm: |
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Andrew, Could you please elaborate more on what Arahat Athersata meant by mentioning the French Revolution? |
Andrew C. Cossette
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2000 - 05:09 pm: |
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Hi Norm,
The French Revolution was the time when many things started to go downhill for the Earth human in general. This revolution was a truly horrible event, not to mention a cataclysmic political and social upheaval to say the least.
True, there are many other causes for the problems in today's world and its people (e.g., ET influence, the original sin, etc.) but the one that I found most interesting was the mention of the (more recent) French Revolution by the Arahat Athersata [Chapter 3 - Verse 51-67] (published by and available through FIGU).
The answer here (and in my above-mentioned comments) was made by the Arahat Athersata who said that the leaders at that time -- during the French Revolution -- proclaimed that everyone was equal (which is an absolute untruth that can be proven through logic) thereby creating a misunderstanding among the populace.
What's worse is that these leaders directed their comments to the callow, underdeveloped, wide-eyed and spiritually under-aged peoples. Further, it was the leading political and religious powers of that time who bear the most guilt for the Earth human's troubles now, even today. This is why I answered the question above in that manner. Sorry, I should have been more specific about that Norm. My mistake. *s*
It is quite intriguing to note that the beginning of true overpopulation started at exactly this time period, and for exactly the above-mentioned reasons.
I should also mention and clarify that, of course, the true underlying cause of today's problems can be traced back to the Earth religions (as was elucidated by Arahat Athersata some few verses later). What's interesting is to see the absolute downfall of humanity during, and starting at, this exact time (The Revolution) up until today. Some 200 years is all it took to create a total and complete catastrophe, e.g. overpopulation among many other social and political ills.
Some may note and remember (from FIGU statistics) that the population at that time was approx. 892 million people worldwide. It took 1700+ years to reach this mark. In the roughly 100 years after the revolution, i.e. the year 1900, the population had doubled to 1,660,990,034 humans and kept on going like a cougar chasing a rabbit. In 1930 alone, the population had already reached 2,207,034,890. This is an increase of 546,044,856 people -- more than the optimum total population for the entire planet itself(!). All of this was caused solely by the French rebellion we are speaking of, and other factors and 'elements' of that time. I should note here for comparison, that the population according to the Plejarans was a mere 102,465,703 in the year 1.
"Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity," were the ideals embodied within the Revolution. One may notice that the first word, along with the last word are wonderful things indeed. It's the middle word that overshadowed and eclipsed the 'good' intentions, effects, and messages of this well-known rebellion.
Therefore, when asked what was the "true cause" for today's problems on Earth, I refer to the greatest problem on Earth -- OVERPOPULATION -- hence, my answer = The French Revolution.
It is an extremely interesting event and time period to study.
What do you think Norm?
Anybody else familiar with this revolution care to comment?
Kind regards,
Andrew |
Anthea
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2000 - 06:57 pm: |
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A major effect of the French Revolution was that it inspired people in other parts of Europe to modernise their own countries. A momentuous push forward for the Industrial Revolution which had started in 1712. |
Savio
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 13, 2000 - 11:45 pm: |
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Hi Andrew
As far as we understand, "Equality" in broad sense is something like - humans are born with equal rights (human rights as understood today).
Please explain a bit more on the untruth of Equality that led to overpopulation.
Perhaps, rather than Equality, it was "Liberty" that caused overpropulation; we over use our free will hence relaxation of responsibility with don't care attitude .......overpopulation.
More comments please :)
Savio |
Andrew C. Cossette
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2000 - 07:27 am: |
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Hi Savio,
You bring up the anticipated response I was looking for. Yes, everyone has equal rights as human beings, to be sure. "Everyone is not equal," is meant here in a 'consciousness-related' definition and set in and with this value; 'spiritual evolution' that is.
Kind regards,
Andrew |
Norm
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2000 - 09:54 am: |
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Also wasn't the French Revolution inspired by Freemasons and their false teachings? |
Anthea
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2000 - 12:09 pm: |
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Hi,
I don't remember learning about Freemason involvement in the Revolution - it centered mainly around the dissatisfaction of the populace over the absolute rule of the Mornarchy, hence the establishment of a new Government.
The Church possessed all the power and riches, and the Monarchy was just a pawn. The majority of the populace was controlled by keeping them illiterate and poor while the minority Nobility and Clergy lived off the "fat of the land" so to speak.
Anyone can see that even today our Governments are certainly not concerned with true humaneness because the necessary spiritual evolution is lacking in order to utilize all the considerable power at their disposal, in the form of technological advancements, wisely.
There are attempts by the minority of selfish and greedy to control and manipulate the masses - no man walking on this Earth is truely free and equal to his fellowman. To my mind we can not all be "equal" when it is clearly apparent that the mass majority of humans on Earth has no true recognition of Creation. |
Anthony Alagna
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2000 - 01:27 pm: |
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Hello Anthea,
I agree with you that the French Revolution was also responsible for creating a lot of good things too, like opening up equal rights among people. We can thank the Revolution for help ending feudalism: opening rights for individuals to own property, ending forms of taxation, opening society to freer commerce, establishing community property rights for married women, and many other things we enjoy today under our current allodial systems.
However, part of the downfall of this is that it also opened up the doors for massive economic growth -- hence growth in human overpopulation. So people without any concern for Creational-natural laws and directives, have an open opportunity in this system of equal rights to exploit land, water, air, people, etc., in favor of financial gain.
Maybe some of the leaders of the French Revolution took equality way too far, misunderstanding that spiritual evolution varies among the populous? It seems the general idea of equal rights is necessary for progress in such areas as industry, commerce, property ownership, etc.; and I think we can both thank and curse the Revolution for leading us into our current situation. But after all, we are learning with each and every new day how to improve ourselves.
Best regards,
Anthony |
Anthea
| | Posted on Thursday, September 14, 2000 - 04:11 pm: |
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The fact that the leaders of the time proclaimed "equality" to the illiterate, underdeveloped, poor, superstitious people is very telling. As Andrew explained, the ideal of equality is an untruth and misled the people, just as it is misleading people today. It was just another form of dangerous manipulation of the gullible. |
Norm
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2000 - 09:15 am: |
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Anthea,
"But the increase in the number of Masonic Lodges at the end of the 18th century demonstrated the desire for secret discussion of problems different from those that were agitating the academies and the agrarian societies. Not all the Freemasons became supporters of the Revolution and the French, but many of them did so."
From volume 22 of the Encyclopedia Britannica
"Alarmed over the spreading havoc, the national assembly in 1789 hastily introduced a Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, proclaiming liberty, equality, the inviolability of property, and the right to resist oppression-all basic longtime tenants of Masonry."
From Rule by Secrecy page 266 by Jim Marrs |
Norm
| | Posted on Friday, September 15, 2000 - 09:22 am: |
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for the above
Encyclopedia Britannica p. 223
PS I wish we could fix our own posts like other forums. Andrew if you want erase this but add the page # to my above post.thanx |
Inger Wikstrom
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 03:39 am: |
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Hello Forum,
I wonder if there is a detailed description anywhere in this forum about what intelligence really is, how it's defined and where I can find the description? Is intelligence equal to the level of spiritual evolution?
Regards,
Inger |
Anthea
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 07:49 pm: |
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Hi Inger,
That's a very interesting question. From my experience there are two distinct types of "intelligence" - one is book learned and one is life learned. I would assume that "life learned" intelligence would be equal to spiritual evolution. What do y'all think? 
Regards,
Anthea |
Jani Metso and Janette Poikajärvi
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 08:10 pm: |
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Hello,
Here's some links I found.
1.
Semjase
2.
Stevens
On the first page I found some of the Semjase contact notes translated in Swedish, and Semjase's self written letter to FIGU (it's under the "Et brev Semjase selv skrev til Meiers gruppe") and pleiadian/plejaran alphabets also hand written by her (under the link "Det Erranske alfabet ned skrevet av Semjase selv").
The second page is about Wendelle Stevens' book.
Translated contact notes on the first page may not be official?
What about Semjase's letter? Is it authentic? Why I ask this is because I didn't even know that such exists.
Kind regards,
Jani |
Jani Metso and Janette Poikajärvi
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 04, 2000 - 08:17 pm: |
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Hello again,
Sorry - the language used in the contact note translations (linked above) is Norwegian, not Swedish. |
Phil McAiney
| | Posted on Monday, October 09, 2000 - 12:50 pm: |
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Dear Jani and Janette:
Yes, Semjase's letter to the FIGU back in July 1975 is real. Billy had asked her to write one when they were on the Mother Ship together during the Tour of the Universe. It is a beautiful 2-page letter to the FIGU members of the day but is just as applicable to all those today who find themselves inquiring into Billy's life abd writings.
For those of you able to read German, the letter is reproduced in her original handwriting in Volume Two of the Contact Notes, pages 278-279. |
Phil McAiney
| | Posted on Monday, October 09, 2000 - 01:11 pm: |
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In Arahat Athersata'a book, which Billy received telepathically to write down, Arahat mentions the concept of everyone being equal contains the half-truth that everyone should certainly have equal rights under the law, but the inherit spiritual differences among people were ignored. Those who sought truth, wisdom and knowledge were classified the same as those who sought money, power and fame under this banner of "equality".
Such teachings were propagated, naturally, by those who were spiritually ignorant but they succeeded in influencing the more simple people of the day. Setting unattainable goals with these lies promised a utopic freedom of oppression where everyone would be able to live their own life as they wished. This misled populace was stirred up, rioted and degenerated in a very short time. In less than 200 years, this revolutionary movement infected the entire world with its ideas of violence, intolerance and imbecility.
It was at this time as well that the idea of propagating as many children as possible became pushed. The goal was to "outnumber" the wealthy classes and eventually displace them. Religions can be seen as the basis for such stupidity with the same goal in mind, to outnumber all other religions and by this to become numerically Number One. |
Michael Uyttebroek
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2000 - 08:24 am: |
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Dear Inger...
In "The Psyche" by Billy there are important points pertaining to intelligence, 'book knowledge' and the 'consciousness-greatness' of the human being. The following is an unofficial translation: "It is known that a human being can only build his intelligence and reason through his first committing errors from which he then learns. Without making mistakes no being is in the position to collect knowledge, build up his intelligence and reason and acquire consciousness-related greatness.
Consciousness-greatness does not consist of the human being possessing knowledge from books, from work and such, or simply acquiring a general education. This type of knowledge represents only intellectual knowledge which is of some value in his profession and his social life. It is a routine knowledge, which is only useful in holding one's own at work and in society. This knowledge is to the 'consciouness-greatness' only of importance in as much as it can serve as a lesson to it. But, unfortunately, it is so, that intellectual people (or those who believe themselves to be such) do not know what to do with this teaching material and simply become stunted in consciousness. Human beings of consciousness-related greatness have recognized, however, that the intellectual knowledge can only be evaluated on a professional and social level, while effective consciousness-related knowledge, on the other hand, elevates the potentials of life and permits the human being to live correctly and according to the Creation. Consciousness-greatness means recognizing and acknowledging the laws and secrets of Creation, following them and evaluating them."
Here is another point also taken from "The Psyche"(unofficial translation):
"It should be realized that the more human and worldly a human being thinks and acts, the more he is underdeveloped in spirit and consciousness, because worldly and human thinking means that a human being stands on a lower and still very primitive rung of spiritual and consciousness-related development."
Salome, Michael Uyttebroek |
Michael Davo
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 10, 2000 - 10:21 pm: |
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Dear Michael Uyttebroek,
Fantastic information from Billy's book "The Psyche".
Your posting leads me to ponder why it is that we only learn in a consciousness related manner through the commission of errors and not also through our successes? Is it similar to the concept of "no pain - no gain"? Logically, we're more attentive and have a heightened sense of awareness after making mistakes. It also seems "human nature" to dwell on our mistakes and gloss over our successes. Are these some of the factors involved? I can't help but ponder some more.
Thanks,
Michael Davo |
Inger Wikstrom
| | Posted on Friday, October 13, 2000 - 08:38 am: |
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Hello to you all,
Have the words JHWH and JHRH etc. emerged from the Lyrian language and how old are these words? Since the earliest times of the Universe? Is the spelling and pronunciation of these words Universal?
Kind regards,
Inger |
Inger Wikstrom
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2000 - 03:10 am: |
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Hello again,
Since DERN and DAL universes aren't copies but created at the same time, I wonder if this is the only significant difference or are there more? Are they created from the same mould with similar contents and conditions?
Regards,
Inger |
Michael Uyttebroek
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:18 am: |
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Dear Scott Baxter and all...
The hypnosis block that prevented any one from hypnotizing Billy is discussed by Semjase in Contact 17. She explains that this block is a defence block generated by the wisdom of his spirit to prevent any external spiritual forces from uncovering, realizing and evaluating slumbering secrets within Billy. To uncover these secrets would lead to great dangers and catastrophy for the human due to his lack of spiritual understanding. In order not to have any adverse effects he would need to be equal to Billy in that respect. However, due to his lack of wisdom, the human would, with absolute certainty, misuse this knowledge in a negative way.
Billy was warned that he should not engage in allowing anyone to try and hypnotize him as this could be very dangerous for the hypnotist. Semjase explained that this could even cause death to the hypnotist.
Salome, Michael Uyttebroek |
Scott Baxter
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 10:04 am: |
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Hello Michael
My confusion in this may have been in the fact that I thought Billy had attempted to do this and as a result their was reaction to the hypnotist. As you indicated because Billy had the knowledge about this, then he would not of had it done, because of the reaction generated by the defense block in place.
Thank you for the clarification.
Salome
Scott B. |
Anthea
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 02:30 pm: |
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Dear Michael Davo,
With regard to your post dated Oct 11, 2000:
I had a similar question to yours with regard to what role successes/achievements plays in one's personal evolution as a human being. Billy's words in "Human Beings and Humanness - Creation and the Daily Life of Man" helped to answer this question for me and perhaps you may find the wisdom in these words helpful too:
"9. To savor the virtuous joys of life is to maintain a fulfilling existence, along with choosing an evolutionary path, observing the natural-Creational laws and directives, and practicing genuine humaneness."
Billy has more to say about feeling good about one's accomplishments in "Desiderata" (on the official FIGU Website).
I personally think that the challenge of learning from (evolving) through one's successes, joys and achievements in life aside from learning through one's mistakes, is to keep one's ego in check. While it is healthy to delight in one's own accomplishments one should at the same time guard against becoming overly enamoured with one's own achievements. In other words, keeping a healthy balance so as to not lose sight of what life truly is all about.
It would be great to hear if any one else has some thoughts about this interesting question of Michael's.
Kind Regards,
Anthea |
Rick Nelson
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 11:49 am: |
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Hi Anthea,
I hate to be a downer, but I only wish I had such successes and accomplishments in material and spiritual matters that the challenge was keeping the ego in check. Presently I find myself at the other end of the spectrum where my ego has been crushed by my business and financial failures. Hopefully I will oneday be able to recessitate myself and begin to function like a true human being. But I haven't yet hit rock bottom, so I fear things will get worse before they begin to get better. Whoever said it is hard to attend to spiritual matters when material concerns are so pressing speaks the truth.
Any suggestions?
Peace,
Rick Nelson |
Anthea
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 02:41 pm: |
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Hi Rick,
In my own life, an achievement for me may be as simple as being able to walk outside and observe nature - realize my source and be thankful for it.
If I have set myself some small personal goal for the day and I have achieved it - or if I have completed some large project that affects others in my surroundings, I am free to feel proud of that achievement. We need to be kind to ourselves - a lesson I am still struggling to learn myself.
I have had my downers too, and I am sure there will be many more ups and downs in my life. What helps me get through my troubles is knowing that there is always a tomorrow - a new day - a fresh start and a chance to approach my life with a different attitude, no matter how small or big the problems or trials. After all, it is the hard times that make us grow as human beings as much as the good times do - whether it is in a material or spiritual fashion, and after all, there is always someone worse off than me in this world.
Keep it simple and keep smiling - it really does help.
Kind Regards,
Anthea |
Rick Nelson
| | Posted on Monday, October 30, 2000 - 12:26 pm: |
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Hi Anthea,
I hope you don't mind my asking, but on a personal level, how do you "realize my source" and what benefits can you attribute to doing so? Do you use a form of auto-suggestion?
Peace,
Rick Nelson |
Anthea Cossette
| | Posted on Monday, October 30, 2000 - 01:39 pm: |
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Hi Rick,
No, not auto-suggestion. Just a simple act of walking outside in Nature (I am fortunate enough to not live in a City) and observing Creation - be it a Butterfly on a flower, a tremendous sunset or a spectacular lightning storm. "Realizing my source" is just that, for me. The knowledge that everything is connected within Creation, that without the awesome love of Creation there would be no life. I am thankful for this. The benefits? Peace and tranquility, perspective.
Kind Regards,
Anthea |
Louis Mukiraine
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 03:49 am: |
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Hi FIGU FORUM members,
I have a question that I inappropriately posed (my apologies)in the Poetry, Music and Arts area after reading Scott Baxter's posting from Friday, October 13, 2000 - 10:44 a.m in the same topic area. The question was;
Does the PETALE level confirm the existence of the Anti-Christ and what is the significance of the 666 logo? I had thought these were Christian prophecies not worthy of serious consideration.
Anyone have any info on that? |
Marc Juliano
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 10:56 am: |
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Hi Louis,
Again, there is some material in the Forum that already covers this topic. You could find it by typing the keyword '666' using the keyword search in the left panel. Andrew Cossette has provided a basic intro into its meaning in an earlier archive, which should help to answer the "Petale" part of your question, as well.
Regards,
Marc |
Scott Baxter
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 11:07 am: |
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Hi Louis
I think your were referring to my post from the Prophesy book.
I dont whether the PETALE level actually confirms the existance of the Anti-Christ other than it was relayed to Billy in that fashion.
The 666 is a cabalistic number based on a value which from what I understand means evil, destruction, annihilation of the truth etc. Anti-Logo means against logic which is the destruction of truth.
Actually Christianity is the real Anti-Christ, or any other religion which prevents the emergance of the truth. Christinanity changed the meaning of the 666 to try and put forth the idea that anything against religion was against Christ, the church and God to protect themselves and to put them in posistion of power.
I think we are experiencing the results of this illogical thinking by the times we are living in. In the prophesy book the date of April 25, 1998 was given, which I think related to when this effect would take on greater proportions. One interesting thing if you divide 1998 by 3 you come up with the value of 666!
Salome
Scott B. |
Scott Baxter
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 31, 2000 - 11:28 am: |
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Hi Marc/Louis
Thanks Marc for the additional information. Also Louis if you do a search under WUV you will find more definitions regarding 666 etc.,
Scott |
Louis Mukiraine
| | Posted on Monday, November 06, 2000 - 08:30 am: |
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Thanks Marc and Scott, your replies have been most helpful.
Regards,
Louis |
Rick Nelson
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 08, 2000 - 12:20 pm: |
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Hello Anthea,
I hope all is well with you and yours. Thanks for the kind words last week. It sounds like you have found a good perspective and a nice balance in your life; at the very least, you are striving towards it.
Every morning when I get up, I am thankful that my world wasn't turned upside down durning the overnight; that I still have my family and health, a house to live in, a car to drive, and a job to go to. With my anxiety about the future, trying to hold onto what I have is about the best I can do at this time. Although I hate to admit it, I do realize this is a cowardly outlook.
If I may ask, how do you attempt to fulfill the TJ teaching to "take care for tomorrow, because tomorrow won't take care of you by itself?"
Peace,
Rick Nelson |
Anthea
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 14, 2000 - 06:04 pm: |
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Hi Rick,
The verse you quoted is TJ 6v53.
6v50 says: "Therefore, you should take care for the wisdom and knowledge of your spirit, and take care that you do not suffer from lack of food, drink and clothing."
6v51: "Truly, I say unto you: If you suffer from hunger, thirst and nakedness, then wisdom and knowledge will be crowded out by worry."
6v52: "First seek the realm of your spirit and its knowledge, and then seek to comfort your body with food, drink and clothing."
6v53: "Therefore, take care for the next day, for tomorrow will not take care of you by itself."
6v54: "It is enough that each day has its own troubles, therefore you must not also be in need and at the mercy of your physical welfare."
To my understanding "take care for the next day ..." is a logical step towards self preservation. For me it's finding the right balance between the spiritual and material needs of life which is the tricky part!
Kind Regards,
Anthea |
ZARYA
| | Posted on Saturday, November 18, 2000 - 07:06 am: |
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In regard of the story about Henoch (Henok in German) or Nokodemion of the 251th contact. What credibility we have to give to the book of knowledge: The Keys of Enoch wrote by Jame Jacob Hurtak of the Academy For Future Science? |
Scott Baxter
| | Posted on Sunday, November 19, 2000 - 11:48 am: |
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Hello ZARAYA
I have seen the book the Keys of Enoch. When I get a chance I will try and locate it again.
Are you asking should we give credibility to Mr. Hurtak or to his book? I have my opinions about Mr. Hurtak, but wont say anything unless someone asks, I have met him and listened to his presentations. At one point he was interested in Billy Meier, but I dont know what his current stance is.
Best Regards
Scott B. |
Andrew C. Cossette
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 09:42 am: |
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Hello Zarya,
You write, "What credibility we have to give to the book...(?)" The answer is none. The Book(s) Of Enoch as released by J. J. Hurtak, Elizabeth Clare Prophet and many others to this day are nothing but assumption, embellishment or (in Mr. Hurtak's case), blatant lies based on already altered and rewritten versions of the text.
In the Pseudepigrapha, the 107 chapters of Enoch cannot, in any way, be compared to the writings in the OM. The 7 sections that are commonly known and available today as third party texts are littered with false truths and barely scratch the surface of the ancient story regarding the extraterrestrials and their arrival, history and actions on this planet. To be sure, the book you speak of, as hinted by Scott Baxter above, should be seen as fantasy reading and is not to be taken seriously in any way regarding the true spiritual teachings of Billy, the FIGU or our Plejaran friends.
Further, in Mr. Hurtak's mind might very well live some extremely delusional cobwebs when one truly ponders his so-called visitations, contacts and fake travels through the universe, not to mention his supposed relationship with the completely nonexistent apparitions called Master Ophanim Enoch, Metatron and his bogus Brotherhoods of Light to name but a few.
How far one can go to mislead people with their lies, ego and/or outright flimflam still amazes me to this day. Make no bones about it, this above-mentioned book is potent poison and quite burnable to say the least. Write us back when you have purchased some kerosene -- I'm sure someone here has a match.
Kind regards,
Andrew C. Cossette
PS - Slander lawsuits welcome. |
Scott Baxter
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 03:05 pm: |
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Hello
I would like to further add to the Andrew comments from above.
I used to atttend meetings by the Noetic society which were founded by one of the past astronauts.
In one of these meetings Mr. Hurtak appeared with his stories. During this meeting he passed out pictures of Billy Meiers Beamships. These pictures were kept in plastic overlays as to protect them, but the impression Mr. Hurtak conveyed was that these pictures were special and he was one of the priviledged few to have them. We all know that anyone can purchase photos through the FIGU. Needless to say as the meeting progressed he started intimating that he was in contact with ET's. At this point one of the people in the meeting said how impressed they were with his information and that surely he must be in contact with Et's to possess the stories and knowledge that he was spouting off. As time progressed I started to get a bit upset with his falsifications and started to ask him where he got all of his information, at that point he cut me off and asked me what I thought of the Billy Meier case. I indicated to him I believed it was true, but only knew what I had researched up to that point. I cant remember the rest of the conversation, but I knew then what he was about.
What is annoying about people such as Mr. Hurtak and others is that they let people believe that they are somehow higher in the pecking order then the rest of us, which gives them the right to say and do just anything they want and we are not supposed to question or ask how do you know about this or that.
I witnessed Mr. Hurtak give a presentation a few years ago. In this presentation he presented video of alternative energy devices. In this video he asked that all recording equipment be turned off. During the video certain pieces of the video were cutoff, which gave the impression that you didnt know if what you were watching was true or not. When questioned about this he indicated that he was protecting the rights of the people that designed this equipment, but he also conveyed the impression again that it was his secret and you were just to accecpt everything that was shown.
I could say more, but Im sure my point has been made. As Andrew indicated above the delusional cobwebs abound in mass in the minds of these "people" that claim contact, but in reality are only self created deceptions which they cower behind so that others may not see the true lack of character that exists within.
Salome
Scott B. |
Scott Baxter
| | Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 02:16 pm: |
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Hello
I have been talking about the contrail issue on this board for about a year or so. There are also contrail forums, discussion groups which are areas where people discuss this issue.
Recently their was a string of posts initiated on one of these discussion boards which started off with biblical prophecies and also quotations from the book of Revelations. I thought if this was allowed then I felt it would be Ok to post some information regarding the 666 and also the WUV which has been discussed earlier in this forum.
I started off with a little history of Billy and his contacts and a few other things, and then took a portion of one of the discussions regarding the 666 etc., needless to say it was like mixing vinegar and baking soda. My post was pulled within 12 hours with a few comments following. I would like to quote one of the comments that I received:
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Hey solsystem, I received a 32nd. level message from Pleides for you. Go home you left the lights on. And as far as the Earth's age, it is generally a given that it's around 4.5 billion years old. I'd say 46 billion is quite a while before the Big Bang even happened. Think 665 or 667 like the 13th. floor it doesn't exist.
Pretty interesting,,,I guess some people are not ready for anything that rattles their little world
Salome
Scott |
Savio
| | Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 08:44 pm: |
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Hi Scott
Yes, it happens all around and we did the same to others too
The problem is - People think that they are on the right side and the truths are with them(only); hence they kick off anything that does not match with their beliefs.
Anyway, the way to gain wisdom is narrow and is difficult to walk, what we need is an open mind and determination .....
Regards
Savio |
Scott Baxter
| | Posted on Friday, November 24, 2000 - 10:23 am: |
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Hello Savio
Thanks for the words of encouragement, and yes you are right Im sure in my own way I have done it to others without realising it also.
I agree open-mindedness is a quality that enables us to achieve insight into matters that we may not have considered because of beliefs or fear etc.
Salome
Scott |
Savio
| | Posted on Friday, November 24, 2000 - 07:55 pm: |
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Hi Scott
Agree 100% !! Regarding open-mindedness....
Stubborn people still have chances getting in touch with new teachings that they may like to verify.
However, if people are told that "Its a sin to doubt your faith", they will keep away from or simply reject any different teachings in order to be saved.
How sad it would be that their back doors are locked up by someone they trust and with their scope tightly limited.
Perhaps we need an injection like a beamship lands publicly somewhere
Regards
Savio |
Michael Davo
| | Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2000 - 08:22 am: |
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Hello Scott and Savio:
Sometimes the harsh reality of truth is more than we can take, and in those instances, close-mindedness serves as a beneficial protective mechanism. It is better in the long run to deny the truth than have its' forced acceptance destroy one's psyche (the concept of live to fight another day). I believe it is for this reason that last decade's prophesized public ET landing was waylaid by the Plejarans. Creation's plan allows for everyone to eventually find the truth.
Best regards,
Michael Davo |
Jean Pierre Lagasse
| | Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2000 - 10:37 am: |
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Hi all,
It is as though the “front door” to the most extensive and well developed/mature “proposed model” of our history, universe & spirituality (on earth presently) has a “skill testing question” hung at the entrance, or requires a “mental key”…
If (& only if) one is able to “pass” this test, (or has the key) then all (some?) that is contained within is available, but not before.
This situation has been very carefully “cultivated” by the Plejarans (etc.) & is intertwined with the “proof but no proof” concept. This, of course, has been explained many times, over and over by Semjase, etc. in terms of the importance of being able to determine one’s own truth(s), "spirit age" etc.…
One concept that “adjusted” my thinking on all this… was that the Plejarans “wanted” the Meier materials accepted slowly over a period of centuries!?!?
Popularity (direct conscious acceptance) does not seem to be "in the big picture"… at least for now!
JPLagasse |
Michael Horn
| | Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2000 - 12:25 pm: |
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To All You Guys Above,
Well said.
Michael |
Pablo
| | Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2000 - 05:18 pm: |
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Hello:
This is the second message I post in order to
become a registered user.
I think that the information posted in this web site answers many of the questions we have regarding the Billy Meier case, so it is a little
bit difficult to present something new for others
to see. But anyway, I think that many of us will like to see for ourselves a spaceship, even to have contact with extraterrestials also. If using the internet we may find people with similar interests and start an online chat, why not with an extraterrestial? True, it sounds funny, because many of us think this is impossible to this date, but the Billy Meier case suggests the possibility.
Even more, according to Billy Meier the only difference he noticed between the extraterrestials and the humans of this planet Earth, was the longer ears if I remember. How many people we can see everyday with big ears!
Literally, if we are walking in any place, we might be able to see someone from the Pleiades and we will never know.
Imagine someone saying: "I am from a distant planet, which is located in the Pleiades, I am not from this planet." Many people will say: " Of course, and I am the King of England!" The human being from another world that decide to make that kind of statement, will have to prove it quickly, or he or she will be ignored, or even end at a police station, or in the worst of the cases, in a hospital for mentally sick people.
The point I am trying to bring is that because of the similarities with humans, anyone from the Pleiades can walk around us, and for me is curious that there is no information regarding that kind of experience. If I was one of the extraterrestials, I would take advantage of that, and learn from the contact with ordinary people.
Is this possible? After reading that Billy Meier changed the dates, if I am correct, of some of the contacts he wrote about, I can think that other things are possible, but we have no means of knowing that for sure.
Thanks for your attention,
Pablo E. Rosado |
Daniel Fedorchuk
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 12:40 am: |
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Hi,
I used to argue with an old girlfriend of mine about Billy. Her position was that he was being duped. What is meant here is that she didn't doubt the alien contact but rather Billy had or has no way of knowing what is true or not. Since the Plejarians have greater mental abilities they can cause him to see or think whatever they wish him to. That would also include all the other individuals at or near the centre who may have seen, heard or experienced phenomena of a residual nature as a result of Billy's experiences. What is his referential point against which he 'knows' that all he has experienced and reported is the truth? It would appear as in everything else in life, it boils down to faith, to belief. For example, when we drive on the roads, we do so based on the faith that others will abide by the rules of the road, since we don't know. Or science, which operates on the faith that all scientific laws operate equally throughout the universe. Billy can only know what they want him to know. |
Marc Juliano
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 05:47 pm: |
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Hello Daniel,
Welcome to the FIGU Forum.
Your question has been answered in question 16 of the Interview with Billy Meier text posted on the FIGU-Switzerland Web site (within the Spiritual Teachings section). It's probably best to read the answer to your question given directly from Billy Meier himself.
I hope this helps you somewhat.
Regards,
Marc Juliano |
Anthea
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 06:10 pm: |
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Hi Daniel,
My personal viewpoint is this:
Billy is able to think and differentiate truth from un-truth. You and I have the ability to do likewise - when we make the sincere effort to do so!
The difference between Earth human kind in general and Billy is that 99.97% of human beings today tend to not bother to question what life is truly about and they certainly don't question current poisonous belief systems, as dictated to them by religious sects and so forth.
For most in our societies, it is more comfortable to live in blind materiality than it is to live in enlightened spirituality.
Kind Regards,
Anthea |
Daniel Fedorchuk
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 12:23 am: |
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Hi Marc & Anthea,
Don't get me wrong, I am a believer in truth. From what I understand you don't take kindly to the word "believe". I understand Billy's approach in question 16, which makes perfect sense to me, I tend to take the same approach myself, but the answer doesn't really deal with the part about him being a pawn or being duped by the Plejarians. My own answer to that was what purpose would it serve. If they have this ability why not use it on the masses. They can't be stopped, so they could do as they please, why bother with him. This kind of question comes from a viewpoint of exploit where possible, and a projection of earth bound tendencies on to others that are not from this place. I am not the most trusting person and my ex was far worse than I. But really intent is something to consider when a stranger enters the scene. It takes time or a life threatening crisis to earn the trust of those around them. Going back to Billy's answer, it appears pretty much that he denounces anyone that believes what he says. Of course no one is abliged to believe but those that do, do so on almost on purely subjective terms, not having had the intercourse that Billy has had with the Plejarians. Billy has made some predictions such as the 2 moons of Jupiter that were yet to be discovered when he made is pronouncement. They discovered one of them I am sure but the second one I don't know about. He also brought up the ozone back in the mid seventies and these sort of things take it out of a purely subjective nature, at least in my opinion.
I do have a question that I have been dying to ask and that is what about Zitchin and the 12th planet. Astronomers have reportedly found huge gravitational effects on Neptune & Ouranos from something on the fringe of the solar system. What is Billy's reply to the notion of their being a rogue planet that orbits this system every 3200 years complete with aliens and the sumerian texts that relate the tale?
Gee I hope this wasn't too long
have a nice one
daniel |
Anthea
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2000 - 11:26 am: |
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Hi Daniel,
You stated "This kind of question comes from a viewpoint of exploit where possible, and a projection of earth bound tendencies on to others that are not from this place."
Well, what purpose would it serve the Plejarens to "dupe" the masses on Earth? (If I understand your meaning correctly.)
All in all, mankind on Earth are being exposed to logical truth via Billy and the Plejarens, and many are not ready to accept these truths because they have been "duped" for so long by false religion.
In fact the same "truths" that are being brought to the fore by Billy and the Plejarens was proclaimed on Earth many times over the ages but have been forgotten; or evilly twisted around to serve the purposes of power hungry individuals. Christianity is but one good example of this.
My personal view is that the words "belief" and "faith" have no place in this scheme of things (of logical truths).
Billy is encouraging people to think for themselves for a change - not to just blindly believe. Whether the truths that are being offered are accepted or not - it remains the prerogative of the individual to ignore it or to keep an open mind about the possibilities.
Kind Regards,
Anthea |
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