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Scott B.
| | Posted on Monday, January 22, 2001 - 06:44 pm: | 
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Hello
Im sure some of you have heard about the rolling black outs in California. It is a reality which is hard to comprehend considering the technological acheivements of many of the companies that have their roots in California.
What is paradoxical about all of this is the fact that no one has come up with a sure fire solution to this dilemma. The state Government is considering buying the two main utilitiy companies in the state to prevent them from going belly up. The result of this would be that the state would and could adjust rates, which would mean more Government control. The utility companies are telling everyone turn off your lights and gas when not in use. From what I have seen hardly anyone is paying heed to these recommendations.
Some of the "alternative" energy advocates have suggested installing windmill generators along the California coast with hopes of capturing some of the off shore breezes. The people that promote solar energy panels are talking to a public that either doesnt care or has no knowledge of the idea of self sufficiency.
The reality of the situation is too many people inhabiting an area that is oversaturated with too many power consuming habits.
If you take the way many city roadways are designed at least in the United States it is not based on efficient thinking. How many roadways are allowed to intersect, which necessitates the installation of intersection lights. It cost money to operate these light systems 24 hours a day, but it also uses more gasoline when automobiles are waiting at intersections let alone the increased consumption when starting and stopping. It all seems geared towards more consumption, but this is compounded when you have way too many people. In nature if you watch a stream it has tributaries which feed it and also which also branch off into smaller streams at some point. Couldnt roadways and population centers be designed in a similar fashion?
Im really curious how the state of California is going to solve their energy problems. As we know the roots of some of this is too many people inhabiting an area that it cant support.
Thanks for listening
Scott |
Mark Campbell
| | Posted on Monday, January 22, 2001 - 09:54 pm: |
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Hi Scott ;
I'm sorry to hear about these troubles in your state , but it seems to be a trend that might catch on elsewhere. There is an old saying -"It happens in California first".That relates to trends and inventions ,for better or worst. The long fingers of overpopulation are obviously a factor in this .The time for alternative power sources is long overdue . Maybe this is what it takes for people to get serious about solar power and windmills. It seems to me that home lighting should be powered by an large and efficient battery of some kind . It wouldn't be long for someone to give a good reason for it not to be possible , the same length of time that it would take for someone else to engineer the possibility. Anyway , I hope the situation finds a conclusion soon . Be careful with candles , in the meantime .
Best of luck , Mark |
Savio
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2001 - 06:04 am: |
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Hi all
Regarding the cause of overpopulation, our discussion so far is understood as - money, growth, religion, greedy, ignorant...etc.
However, Jmmanuel pointed out another reason...
1996 TJ 12 regarding marriage and cohabitation...
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"A person who sexually abuses a child is unworthy of life... A person who has sexual intercourse with an animal is unworthy of life....Truly, truly, I say to you: These laws of order were given by nature and should be followed, or human beings will bring death to themselves and to the masses."
"This earth can nourish and support five hundred million people of all human races. But if these laws are not followed, in two thousand years ten times five hundred million people will exist, and the Earth will not be able to support them any more."
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According to Jmmanuel, it seems that the cause of overpopulation is due to the wrong doings of human against sex that the law of nature is not followed.
Any comments?
Regards
Savio |
Scott B.
| | Posted on Monday, January 29, 2001 - 12:21 pm: |
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Hi Savio
I think you are talking about two different things. Yes there are laws regarding child abuse and also having sexual intercourse with animals. I think these statements were in regards to if you engage in these type of behaviors you will bring death and misery to yourself.
I also think he is talking about if you violate the balance of nature and overpopulate the planet you will also bring suffering onto yourself and others.
Scott |
Roger
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2001 - 06:47 pm: |
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A Notion
The old Lyra/Vegans did kill babies and sterilized
parents on two overpopulated planets as mention under contact 251.
It is however discovered that more wymen kill their offspring that ever has been recorded before. And abuse and violence as well. It shows
that our whole western sivilisation suffers. And
when children in Brazil is being killed because
of rich men and women needing heart, lungs, and
other human parts it is alarming. That seems also
to occur in Russia right now.
So there is only one way to go - to gain
a global birth control throug United Nations.
That will possibly gain many new jobs as well.
It is the best and most peaceful way however.
Otherwise we fail.
Salome
Roger! |
Savio
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 05:57 am: |
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Hi Scott
I am sorry that I did not quote the whole of 1-20 of Chapter 12, it is just too long.
According to TJ 12, in :1 - Jmmanuel started talking about people commit adultery, fornication for the sake of pay or pleasure, child abuses, sex with animals, rapes, violence and divorce.....etc then in :20 - he gave a conclusion of the above quoted Overpopulation.
It seems to me that Jmmanuel first presented the kind of acts that against nature then pointed out the consequence of those acts - overpopulation.
Further comments please 
Regards
Savio |
Roger
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2001 - 05:17 pm: |
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Hello Savio!
Well, I must say to you, that stories in the
bible tells us that there was a people living
in the north of Judea, probably in the Lebanon area, that acted sinful acts, and probably in that way Jmmanuel describes it. And yes - the
consequence is overpopulation. And lacking to
the bad gene we was installed with, it only leads
to degenerate the people even more.
We do also know that sexual acts like this was
usual in that area from other sources. The
nomadic Arabs, often had harems. And imagine it
combined with other cultures, what would happen?
But we haven't learn anything have we, it is
even worse today. And who cares?
Regards
Roger! |
Savio
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 06:34 am: |
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Hi Roger
I agree that our sexual attitude is even worse today, but it seems not the reason for overpopulation.
We know that the Western world are very open-minded towards sex; however, their birthrates are dropping! Instead, overpopulation happens at those under-developed and developing countries where people do not know or not to perform birth control.
Am I misunderstand what Jmmanuel meant or his conclusion is out-dated?
Further comments please.
Regards
Savio |
Roger
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 31, 2001 - 06:06 pm: |
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Hi Savio!
Well, I preciate your point of view, I only want
to add that overpopulation is blessed by the pope.
Therefor the poor people in the 3.world do that.
Leaders seem to agree on this matter or they are
afraid of the pope. In muslim countries I think
the overpopulation is source to war. Anyway the
common factor is that parents believe that many
children will secure their older days. But the
huge companies want to gain profit from all humans
wherever they are. (ex. Coca Cola, Pepsi Cola,
Levi's etc.) They expect financial growth.
And its not easy to stand i their way and speak
up.
Regards
Roger! |
roger
| | Posted on Friday, February 02, 2001 - 05:59 pm: |
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THE POPE!
The Roman culture is a unique culture to study.
And when it comes to sexuality, everything has
been tried out, and often only for the money's
sake (prostitution) But the pope himself has
always been holding himself away from such acts,
if we have to believe everything that he says.
Anyway, rumours have been saying that he is Gay.
Translated to modern language, the emperor and
the catolic church, in earlier times, rented out
cardinal's wife and doughters to bordels. The
reason for this was to get money to the church.
And then anything was legal. Even in hard times.
It was an orgie, in its booklet meaning.
So that means that all other than himself could
do whatever they lusted regards to sex acts.
Then it should not be so hard to understand why
other churches say that AIDS or HIV are gods
punishment to man. But it is the nature's
punishment to abuse of animals. And such acts
could not be excused. It is only cruelty.
And in spite of that these epidemic spreads,
some in the U.S. and other countries deny that
the virus is so dangerous, and they ask questions
about whether its all made up by government and
therefor the whole epidemic is a fraud, or a lie.
In the meantime it spreads like ever before and
it will soon struck many new hosts. To know this
one have to study a virus behaviour. Now we give
it the time it needs to spray. Unfortunately!
Further comments to this are welcome.
Regards
Roger! |
Richard Lunter
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 06, 2001 - 10:19 am: |
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Hello Forum,
About birthcontrol, who is writen in booklets Overpopulation 1. Why the birthcontrol must start on the whole world at the same time? Why can not start in one state?
regards
Richard |
sekitillic
| | Posted on Monday, March 12, 2001 - 04:30 am: |
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I think you all should view Peter Russell's video 'The Global Brain'.
In it, he makes a pretty good case that all this talk of overpopulation and population control is a fear
tactic to hinder our evolution.
In a nutshell, he argues this:
It takes about 9billion atoms to make a cell.
It takes about 9billion cells to make a brain.
So when we have 9billion brains on Gaia,...
We're going Superconscious.
I say we need 3billion babies,...FAST! |
Anthony Alagna
| | Posted on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 06:52 pm: |
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Hello,
I think anyone making a case that human overpopulation does not exist on this planet today "has got their head in the sand." Now I am not familiar with Peter Russell's video, nor do I care to search it out, but one does not have to look very far for evidence that Earth is being attacked by an exponentially increasing human population.
If you still don't believe there is an overpopulation problem simply by looking out your window, I suggest you check out the World Wildlife Fund website for more clues. According to their information:
"By the year 2025, Earth could lose as many as one fifth of all species known to exist today. In recent centuries, hundreds of species have disappeared, ."
"What threatens these (Ed: plant and animal) species' existence? Some of the top threats are habitat destruction by unsustainable logging and ; pollution of water, soil, and air by toxic chemicals; unnatural climate changes due to fossil fuel use; unmanaged fishing that exhausts fish stocks; and illegal hunting to supply the demand for skins, hides, traditional medicines, food, and tourist souvenirs."
"The greatest threats to the forests of the Congo Basin (Ed: ...and really all forests in general.) are , commercial logging, mineral exploration, clearing for agriculture, and political instability, which has brought into the forests rebels, refugees, and army factions who have decimated the area's plants and animals."
Regards,
Anthony |
sekitillic
| | Posted on Friday, March 16, 2001 - 02:50 am: |
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Peculiar, you never looked at what he had to say, why is that?
I know!
You believe that the destruction of the planet is due to the number of people on it, instead of the ignorance people have towards the planet.
Use your energy to get people aware instead of getting the number of people down.
But that will mean.........thinking for yourself?! |
Parik
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 08:58 am: |
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Sekitillic,
I think you represent the view that people are the greatest thing since butter. However, we are only part of a greater whole. A whole that should stay in balance. However, in our arrogant ignorance, we upset the equilibrium. To take a quote from the Matrix "Humans are a virus, unlike other mammals who establish an equilibrium, they go in to new place and deplete the resources, multiply, and move on to continue the cycle." First of all there are consequences to when you consume things. They don't just disappear (you do create waste). Plus, there aren't unlimited resources (in fact, there are dwindling resources bc of the overpopulation and the resulting overexpansion) in the world. Also, by constantly just taking and not giving creates an unfavorable balance. The world's resources can be looked at as a pie. The more people you have, the more competition there is for that pie and thus an increase in fear, hatred, and stress results from that competition. We are getting people aware to not have children unless they are fully prepared to raise that child in an healthy environment. The big problem with overpopulation is that we have lot of people who have been raised in a dysfunctional way. This cycle continues when these people have children. We must realize that these children will become future members of society and thus will have an effect on others including the environment. On a side note, the disease outbreaks that have occured are nature's way of curtailing this overpopulation. However, we don't have to let nature do this by itself. Humans with proper family planning can greatly enhance the road to reduction in population. I hope this gives you something to think about for yourself.
Parik |
sekitillic
| | Posted on Friday, March 23, 2001 - 09:00 am: |
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Hi Parik,
Thank you for your reply, but the funny thing is that before those 9billion atoms reach the mass needed for a cell, they appear in disharmony,...its like there is "nothing but pollution, garbage and stench".
The same thing occurs before the 9billion needed for a human brain,...at 3, 5 and 7 billion, the cells
feel overcrowded.
As I said, Peter Russell's video the Global Brain(http://peterussell.com) is very compelling,...more so
than the Overpopulation Critics and their apocolyptic forecasts of doom and gloom.
Twenty years ago it was believed the building-blocks of the universe was the atom, things change, views change, how 'bout you? |
James Roy Mizar
| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 12:39 pm: |
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With a planet earth sized the max number of people it can hold saftely is 500,000,000.
I think it's 12 humans per 1 kilometer of fertile land.
Salome
James |
sekitillic
| | Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2001 - 04:27 pm: |
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i'd like to know how you've come to that conclusion, James. |
James Roy Mizar
| | Posted on Monday, March 26, 2001 - 01:45 pm: |
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Sekitillic,
Savio's Monday, January 29, 2001 - 03:04 pm in this forum.
Salome
James |
James Roy Mizar
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 05:44 am: |
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Greetings all,
I think I made a mistake, it is 12 humans per 1 SQUARE kilometer of fertal land.
Salome
James |
Andrew C. Cossette
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2001 - 09:50 am: |
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Hello everyone,
An official clarification by Mr. Meier himself can be found here: http://overpop.org/land.htm on the above-mentioned matters.
Regards,
Andrew C. Cossette
PS - NOTE: For the record, this is official FIGU material that I point you to on this Web site. |
Norm
| | Posted on Friday, April 20, 2001 - 06:21 pm: |
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Wow!The Rev. Martin Luther King on Overpopulation! I never really read much on Rev. Martin Luther King, but when I heard Douglas La Follette quote him on CSPAN about Overpopulation, it blew me away. I guess, I didn't think he thought about these issues, but he did. I will color the quote in red plus here's a little more on what Dr.King said.
"Recently, the press has been filled with reports of sightings of flying saucers. While we need not give credence to these stories, they allow our imagination to speculate on how visitors from outer space would judge us. I am afraid they would be stupefied at our conduct. They would observe that for death planning we spend billions to create engines and strategies for war. They would also observe that we spend millions to prevent death by disease and other causes. Finally they would observe that we spend paltry sums for population planning, even though its spontaneous growth is an urgent threat to life on our planet. Our visitors from outer space could be forgiven if they reported home that our planet is inhabited by a race of insane men whose future is bleak and uncertain.
There is no human circumstance more tragic than the persisting existence of a harmful condition for which a remedy is readily available. Family planning, to relate population to world resources, is possible, practical and necessary. Unlike plagues of the dark ages or contemporary diseases we do not yet understand, the modern plague of overpopulation is soluble by means we have discovered and with resources we possess.
What is lacking is not sufficient knowledge of the solution but universal consciousness of the gravity of the problem and education of the billions who are its victims."
This has really opened my eyes to the kind of thinker Rev. Martin Luther King was! |
Anthony Hall
| | Posted on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 03:07 am: |
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>I have wondered, is it "normal" for overpopulation at our level
>of Evolution? In the FIGU booklet "Attacking Questions from Japan"
>on page 16 there is reference to the KINTEN and NIPER races in which
>4000 of them were bought back from the planet KUDRA to settle in the
>LASAN system of planets. The sentence that made me think about this
>reads: "As normally occurs, the population increased, and in the course
>of thousands and millions of years, the peoples became considerably
>more populous and eventually occupied five planets in the Lasan
>alliance of planets".
In their case, their society and culture did not reach a level of stability. There was still mistrust and irrational thinking.
>Could it be that based on our current awareness and level of knowledge
>we dont know enough about the laws of nature and Creation and
>therefore, are unable to curb this growth in a more balanced way?
No. The situation has deteriorated. In case there is war, they want enough people to restart. The countries with smaller populations see the countries with larger populations as a threat. And if one doubt that, deliberate all the means to grow, manufacture and distribute food in first world countries, and yet the third word countries generally with large populations are staving--serving the first world as cheap laborers. World politics is playing a part, and it is not so simple as written on paper. Something has to be done about the irrational political machine to stabilize this world.
Unfortunately, the population downsizing scheme is very bias. It appears that we won’t solve the problem anytime soon, because our societies and cultures have not yet reached a level of stability--trust, union, cooperation, etc.
Industrial abuse and nuclear war will take more years off this planet than overpopulation.
Anthony |
Andrew C. Cossette
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2001 - 02:07 pm: |
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Hi all,
They had to redo the Overpopulation Forum today. The new site is now open in English and Spanish. The new direct link is here.
Note: This is NOT a FIGU-related site. It is a public site for all interested in overpopulation. It is run by Webmasters of the O.G.A.
Please bookmark the site and feel free to post your comments and concerns regarding overpopulation. |
Andrew C. Cossette
| | Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2001 - 02:26 pm: |
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Hello all,
Ted -- webmaster -- has just notified me that he has changed his site for the "FREE" overpopulation bumper stickers to this site
If you haven't gotten one yet, here is the place to do it.
(And yes, they are free)
Regards,
Andrew |
Anthea
| | Posted on Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 02:08 pm: |
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Hello,
While doing some research, I found this very interesting commentary from Albert Einstein about overpopulation a while back ...
"I am convinced that some political and social activities and practices of the Catholic organizations are detrimental and even dangerous for the community as a whole, here and everywhere. I mention here only the fight against birth control at a time when overpopulation in various countries has become a serious threat to the health of people and a grave obstacle to any attempt to organize peace on this planet." [Albert Einstein -- letter, 1954]"
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