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Author Message James Roy Mizar Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 10:58 am:        Greetings all, I downloaded the new pictures for use as a background on the computer, Figu_bg3_800x600 is the one I'm using and I notice a "device" in the tree??? Salome James Savio Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 07:31 pm:        Hi James Could you tell us the "device" is in which part of the picture? What is its shape and colour? James Roy Mizar Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2002 - 07:54 pm:        Savio, In the big tree above the beamships, left of the Silver star sign, it looks like a camera, a circle of silver on the outside with a dark center, the first thought that came to me is a "though analizer?" (And yet...they fly, page 51, english edition) Salome James Savio Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 03:38 am:        Hi James I think it is the famous hole that was the result of a shooting test of the laser gun. James Roy Mizar Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 07:34 am:        Thank you savio just looked different to me. Though it does look like something is in the hole? Salome James Jean Pierre Lagasse Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 03:45 pm:        Hi all, I REALLY love my new wallpaper(s)!! J I wonder if it would be appropriate to send a link to their download to different people... for example Shirley McClain? I'll bet she would like it/them too !!! I wonder if these images could also be placed in greeting cards etc.??? The thought here is: There are so many of these images "out there" without any proper credit to Billy or the Plejarens. This type of thing might be a neat way to "fix" this situation? Just thoughts... & Thanks FIGU !!! JP Jean Pierre Lagasse Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 04:26 pm:        Hi FIGU, all... If FIGU's web address was also placed with the image "credits" on the image(s) themselves...??? Or would all this be "too much"?? I'd LOVE to see/have a calendar also...!!!! Would make really excellent gifts, eh? Perhaps with selected quotes from Semjase/Ptaah also (etc.) ?? JP Jean Pierre Lagasse Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 04:37 pm:        Oh... yes yes yes...!!! The dates & times for the Salome meditation(s) as well, eh? In different time zones !!!! Norm Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 04:41 pm:        JP, Shirley McClain, set back Billy's mission years, when she changed Billy's name in her book "Out On Limb". Just imagine how many people would know of Billy, if she left his name in her book, and did not distort the truth about her meeting with him! Now as far as I'm concerned she's damaged goods, the Media makes a joke of her. Its best Billy's not associated with her. Let her go float off in her fantasy world, who needs her now, she had her chance!!! Jean Pierre Lagasse Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 05:27 pm:        Hi Norm, Just my points of view... (I'm entitled to this, same as you are entitled to yours...*s*... THAT is what makes FIGU NOT a religious cult!!) Technically speaking, I have NO PROBLEMS whatsoever with anything you have said about Shirley, or other stuff from Billy (etc.) on this site or forum on the "Shirley affair". Technically speaking, if Billy or the Plejarens described "my own personal situation" (or perhaps yours??)... it probably wouldn't sound much better...! Shirley's website contains FIGU/Meier info and even a link to FIGU's site. IN MY WAY OF THINKING... (only my own, eh?) this is to her credit, considering "her world". Please consider that the "Plejaren info" is for a very small select percentage of earth's population. For almost all people on this planet, the mention of "Billy" would be "political suicide". In spite of this, Shirley still has/had "Plejaren info/images" on her website. We (FIGU?) can make this situation an "opportunity" with the proper attitude or "frame of mind". We can make this work FOR US. Strategies...?? Now that Billy's images are spread throughout the population (without proper credit), to now be able to state that these images are "Billy's"... could be attributed to a very masterfully "set up" strategy...???? (IF this situation is "taken advantage of") Like I said, just my own point of view on this. I do NOT expect you (or anybody) to agree with me on this, and PLEASE continue to express yours. Respectfully yours, JP Norm Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 06:18 pm:        JP, I understand what you want to do, and its fine with me, and a good idea. The only problem I have. I was starting to feel some here were going to start running to Shirley as if she could become some sort of spokesmen for FIGU and the Mission, and I would hate to see that happen now, and see Shirley become some sort of hero, when as far as I'm concerned she had her chance and failed the Mission. To top it of I feel shes tainted herself with all this channeling stuff anyway. PS I was the person that found Billy's video clip on Shirley's website, with out credit to him. Which is second time, IMHO that she seems to not give Billy his due credit! Jean Pierre Lagasse Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 06:43 pm:        Hi Norm, IF Shirley ever "showed up" on this forum & tried to be a spokesperson for Billy, She would be roasted quite properly, by US, eh? *s* Same like any of the rest of us...!!! Perhaps, we would even hear from Andrew again !!!! *s* Salome, Pierre Mark Campbell Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 07:58 pm:        Jp , Norm ; You make a good point that Shirley McClain would have committed "political suicide" by announcing Billy in her book , which was released , I think in the early eighties .As far as that being part of a 'long term' strategy ,might have some validity as well . If she has a link to the FIGU site , it has been done more or less recently , since someone 'shirley' has contacted her about it. The way I see it Norm , when I saw the paintings of the ships years ago on her movie , it served my memory well when I saw the real photos of the same ships that Billy took .Shortly after that ,I saw Billy's photos on TV , on a 'news magazine' show , which started my interest in the whole thing. It helped to corroborate the real story , that someone else had possibly seen the same ships somewhere else . Of course , her portrayal of the events and characters were disguised to protect herself , as it turned out . Given her public stature , it's understandable . It's easy to critisize someone else , but acheives nothing . Besides , she still may allude to it someday , in her memoires , you never know . Norm Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 01:07 pm:        Mark, I disagree with this statement. "You make a good point that Shirley McClain would have committed "political suicide" by announcing Billy in her book" Mark, she committed "political suicide" when told everyone about her Channeling, with nothing to back it up, not the UFO stuff. If she had mentioned Billy she could have tried to prove to the world the validly of the Meier case, instead of avoiding it by changing his name! For some reason she didn't want Meier's name know to the world. The question is why??? If you think Meier makes her look bad, then why even included the UFO part in her book. If anything Meier would have made her look better, remember it was 1981-2, not many people knew who Meier was back then. To answer my question "Why", I have a theory why she didn't put Billy in her book. Just imagine her book coming out on the market and everyone starts to focus on the Billy Meier Case, and not Shirley MacLaine the New Age actress. Billy would have overshadowed her whole book. The media would've been asking questions about Billy, rather than her book. She wrote a book about herself, not Billy Meier. Which is her right to do so, but I wish she had mentioned Billy somewhere in her book. We'd all be better off, in the long run. Billy Meier would have been well-known today if she had mentioned him. Mark Campbell Posted on Monday, January 14, 2002 - 01:30 pm:        Hi Norm ; Of course , your'e right. You simply cannot control another person's actions .It's spilt milk , and by now dried . Regards , Mark Anthea Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 08:20 am:        Hi, Mark I agree with you that the link to the FIGU website on Shirley's site was only done very recently (and begrudgingly because she could very well run into legal troubles!). She has been using Billy's pictures in flagrant disregard to the copyrights, and without crediting Billy, for reasons of the promotion of her own material. She has indeed damaged Billy's credibility and the Mission more than is realized. As a "famous" personality she had a responsibility to fulfill here in the USA with regard to the Mission, which she failed at miserably - the same can be said of the Elders. The progress of the Mission here in the USA has been dismally set-back by many years through the actions (or non-action) of these individuals who did not follow through on their promises. However, this is no reason to have "grudging" attitudes towards these people, who are also simply walking the way of evolution as we all are. The most important issue in my humble opinion is: "What are WE (the current members and sincerely interested persons) doing right now to successfully promote the Mission here in the USA - primarily for the future? Remember, this is only the beginning of a much greater time-span into the future of the Mission. But a start has to be made, and it does no good to sit on the fence, or on the side, and expect others to do all the footwork, or to cast blame on this one or that one for doing, or not doing, this or that. Rather it is time for all that have a sincere interest in the Mission to put personal differences aside, along with petty squables and politicking, and get on with what is really important. But this of course, is only my opinion. Regards and Salome, Anthea Mark Campbell Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 02:04 pm:        Hi Anthea ; I agree . It couldn't have been said better . Salome , Mark Mr.Ed..:- Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 09:37 am:        Hi ALL.... Yes James...the wallpaper pic's are Great! I want to Thank Mr.Beam...(Not Mr.Bean...just kidding.....:-).....)....Billy for the Great Beautiful pictures. I have Never Seen that good resolutions pictures of Billy's pictures. Thank you Billy-Nokodemion. I really Love the pic with Billy's face on it...that compulation picture. What a Great Smile and Wize and Senceitive eyes he has. Who would what to hurt a Wize man...like Billy. His Face is Pure Truth! Of a Wize and Old Spirit. We ALL can Learn from.....:-) Well...now I have enough to print out and put em in frames and hang them up....:-) Really...the kwality....is unbelieveble! Thank You again...Billy.....:-) Yes Savio...your right...the hole in the tree was, if I'm right, Billy testing the Laser gun out..that is shown in the picture. You can see Menara's arm holding it...at the Right down-corner. And I do agree with you all...Shirley may not of wanted Billy to Overshadow her and her book. I've read 3 of them...years back..was interesting...and No more. I guess Shirley has to Think of her Own Show-world reputation(s)...and be as Center-point. As she's been doing that almost her whole life. But I must say....she was always one of my favorite actors. She does have Beautiful Eyes... She should keep at acting...and not the books. It's just the path of her life now....I guess...Looking and Finding. And Sharing? I guess there is a little Boost for Billy...in her life-experience(s)...she's learning... Take care All..... Mr.Ed....:-) Larry Driscoll Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 06:54 pm:        Hi Anthea, There exist 1800, English "Brochure of Photographs, UFOs..." in storage at FIGU. This brochure is useful to have when talking to others about Billy's informations. On January 1, 2000 I sent 542 copies to our government officials: President Clinton, Vice-President Gore, 100 Senators and 440 Representatives. There were only two responses. The brochure is a good combination of text and photographs and very quickly notifies the viewer to the exceptional quality of Billy's photographs. Said another way;"A picture is worth a thousand words" I recommend this brochure to all.It is not very expensive to obtain. gurujay Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 11:37 am:        Hi Anthea, I am very curious to know and I don't meant this in a bad way yet it is only the reality for all of FIGU. What will happen when our beloved Billy passes on, who will carry this further and keep it truthful and will enlarge this cause ?? Will his kids take over this task?? I am only asking this since Anthea made mention of what we were all going to do about keeping the mission going. Marco, Savio, anyone?? Be well Anthea Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 01:18 pm:        Hi Gurujay, I don't know who will be taking Billy's "place" so to speak when he passes from this material incarnation -- and I think this is secret information anyway. All that I know is that this present incarnation is the last in a line of 7 prophets. Of course, as far as I can tell it seems logical that our CG48 (Core Group of 49) at the Semjase Silver Star Center in Switzerland will be continuing the work effort of the Mission after Billy has departed. Hope this helps to answer your questions a bit. Regards and Salome, Anthea gurujay Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2002 - 05:18 pm:        Thank You Anthea, Yes is very well answered for me, thank you. The secrecy is a bit puzzling for me although the last incarnation of 7 prophets is also very confusing but I would only assume that this must mean from the 800 year ago mission he had which was similar to this one correct Anthea?? Salome and Be Well Anthea Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2002 - 01:56 pm:        Hi Gurujay, I don't quite know what you mean by "the 800 year ago mission he had which was similar to this one." The "Mission" started in 1975 when Billy had his first official contact with the Plejaren female Semjase, and will continue on into the future. The prophet line of 7 incarnations, which has been discussed elsewhere on the forum recently, has been going since well over 2000 years ago. Gurujay, with regards to the "secrecy" about who will take Billy's "place" I can only say that I do not have all the facts and am simply sharing my own opinions, based on very limited knowledge. Regards, Anthea Anthea Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2002 - 02:27 pm:        Hi Gurujay, an addendum to my previous post. I should say "I don't know, this has not been made public knowledge" with regard to your question as to who will take Billy's place. This is what I meant by the word "secrecy". I hope this clears up any misunderstanding! Regards, Anthea Lonnie Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2002 - 05:19 pm:        Dear Gurujay, I believe that when Billy passes on, NO ONE will take his place. This is because Billy's function with this mission is mostly having contact with the Plejarans, and writing down the teachings. No one will ever be able to accomplish what Billy has as a Prophet and teacher. He has clarified the many falsifications that have occured over the centuries, and founded the FIGU. Our function in the future will be to to continue to disseminate the spiritual teachings and related information for the benefit of all mankind. This will involve mostly meeting in small groups, translating, publishing and teaching in the form of printed literature, the website and lectures... Regards, Lonnie gurujay Posted on Sunday, January 27, 2002 - 12:38 pm:        Thanks Lonnie, I understand whats going on now but I sure hope that it will never deviate into a religion like everything else has become. In our modern age it should not be the case Salome to All...... be well TerraX Posted on Tuesday, February 12, 2002 - 12:37 pm:        Does anyone know the names of the 3 extra-terrestial groups visiting Earth at this time? This bit of info was mentioned by Ptaah but I don't have that peticular contact-note.Hope you can help me out. Tx. Jan B. Posted on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 04:35 am:        Hello all, Does ADAM in fact mean “first man” or “Earth human”? For what reason(s) can one come across in FIGU materials/sources to both possibilities? (Aus den tiefen… by Billy, page 201, „...erster Mensch...“) plus elsewhere. And now in the forum is a correction of “first man” to “Earth Human”. This extract from Marc’s insertion (General Area/FIGU Related/The past/ Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 01:33 am) clearly shows it … "In order to prevent some confusion, I should probably mention that there was another extraterrestrial named Semjasa (father of the white human races) as mentioned in the opening chapter of FIGU's text Talmud of Jmmanuel who, around 13,500 years ago began a new race of earth human by coupling with an earth woman. The begotten son was named "Adam" (which means "first man" correction: "Earth Human")***. Other leaders of red and brown color (and possibly others) also simultaneously procreated new races which have intermixed even further down to the present time." … *** "first man" is supposed to be scratched I thought that it has to do with the etymology of the word. Perhaps there is more to it… Thanks for any ideas. Salome Jan B. Marc Juliano Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 06:30 pm:        Hi Jan, Here is the official, approved version of the sentence by Semjase in Contact 7 that is included in the translations currently underway by the FIGU-OCT team: German: 151. Man nannte sie in der alten Vorfahrensprache Adam, was heisst Erdenmensch. English: 151. In the ancestors' old language they were called "Adam," which means Earth human. It's possible that it was "erster Mensch" (first human) in a prior version of the German reports. I don't know for sure. The Plejarans provided Billy with many corrections after mistakes were discovered. *** Update: I recall from somewhere that the word "Dam" (pronounced like Mom) itself means "human" in an Old Lyrian language. I would be surprised if "A" meant "Earth" since we know that "Urda" is the Old Lyrian word for Earth. I wonder if that's why the translation was originally rendered as "first", since it sounds feasible to me that the letter "A" would signify the first or beginning, even in the old alphabet. Maybe Christian or someone else can help me out here. Regards, Marc Anthea Cossette Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 01:06 am:        Hi Marc, Jan If I remember correctly, I read in the contact notes that the word "Eva" (additionally "Evas") denoted "Earth Human/s." I forget the exact contact # since I have not read this information again for some time. There seems some confusion here - it would indeed be interesting to know the true meaning of the name "Adam." As far as I remember the Evas were the purely terrestrial (Earth) human beings, and the man "Adam" was the result of a procreation between an extra-terrestrial and an Eva. This might explain why the Lyrian words you mention don't add up when trying to translate "Adam" as "Earth Human," since he was not a pure Earth human (meaning created from the Earth through its own natural evolutionary processes). Kind regards, Anthea Edward Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:11 am:        Hi Jan, Marc and Anthea... Hope you all are doing fine... Very intereseting Topic you have started here Jan. I do agree with you Marc and Anthea. I can remember reading that "Adam" was the First Mixed pro-creation Between a White Lyrian and a Black earth Woman(an Eva). So maybe this will bring some light into this topic? I have read this on a chronology of events that was on the website. Thus, Adam was the First Earth Human Mix from Extraterresterial-Lyrian-White-Male and Terresterial-'Black-Female' human Race. As others follwed them afterwards. So I think the mix with the "First Black Earth Human Eva(s)"..would/may make the differents here? As being Focused upon? Take Care...Be Healthy...All... Edward... Jan B. Posted on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 03:23 am:        Hi Anthea, Marc, Edward and others, :-) Thanks for your ideas. It would be really nice to know, beside these two renderings, what is written regarding “ADAM” and “EVA” in the “Book of Interplanetary Names”. Are they included in there? Or perhaps in the slightly different versions… Unfortunately, I don’t own the copy. Anyone willing to share :-) Thank you! Salome, Jan Marc Juliano Posted on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 10:00 am:        Hi Jan, Neither "Adam" nor "Eva" seem to be in Billy's book "6,360 Interplanetary Names in Their Ur-Form and Their Meaning". Interestingly, though, are the biblically connected names of Cain (KAJN) and Abel (AABEL) which have interesting meanings: KAJN - Der die Scholle bearbeitet (He who works the soil) AABEL - Der Hauch des Vergaenglichen (The hint/ghost of things transient) The word Hauch could also mean breath, waft (as in a light breeze or scent) or the word trace, but I used hint or ghost.) Regards, Marc JAY Posted on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 10:50 am:        Hi Ed and all, I once tried to pose a question to Billy in reference to race and Nubians or Blacks in the world, the question went more like the description of MENARA a PLEJARAN Contact who I read in all the Contact notes, he referred to her in the Contacts as a "Black Beauty", the way this came across to me on the Contact notes is like describing a Black human of PLEJARAN ancestry. After receiving my answer, this is what Billy’s response to my question was: “Hi Mr. Meier, According to the Guido Moosbrugger book "AND YET THEY FLY", I came across a name or a PLEJARAN named MENARA which has been described as a DARK SKINNED BEAUTY and also a descendant of The Hottentots of Africa by ancestry. Are there many groups of Dark skinned or African alike that would be PLEJARAN and if so, how many groups would there be and how advance are they?? Sincerely, Gurujay ANSWER: Hi Gurujay, Billy used the term "Dark skinned" for a skin color you will see when a black-haired European person, like e.g. in Spain or Italy, was exposed to the sun. Billy didn't mean "black", but rather "not white" like the other Plejarans. However, the shape of her body (face, hair, etc.) resembled the race that we call (or were calling) Hottentots here on earth. The ancestral relationship goes back hundreds of thousands of years. Billy has no information about a number of groups and their evolution level. Since Menara works closely together with the Plejarans she must be fairly advanced and, therefore, also her people. In the Contact notes it almost sounded like MENARA was actually of Nubian African Descent in looks and color, so it kind of through me off since all this time I viewed her as a Black Human or “DARK SKINNED BEAUTY”. This is just the observation I made while understanding and reading the Contact notes throughout the years. However as mentioned before, the EVAS or the Races which existed here prior to the Lyrans & Vegans coming here in Ancient times are somewhat the mixture of what MENARA is. Anyone else has more details on this your are welcome to add to this BE WELL Edward Rick Posted on Saturday, June 01, 2002 - 07:21 am:        Greetings all Would you like to learn how to operate beamship ? Go and try it! http://jnaudin.free.fr/afs_sim/afs_intro.htm Rick Dan Blatecky Posted on Saturday, June 01, 2002 - 08:35 am:        To TerraX', Re. Extraterrestial groups visiting Earth: Outside any exact identification, the amount of extraterrestial beings visiting Earth, is vast. There are not only accusations of partially hosted hidden alien bases here, as was posted in some writing, however tellinmgs that many, many differing types of extraterestial beings come here all of the time. This is redundently, over and over told in not only Wendelle Steven's work, however published in many other places as well. Please look at Earth as an open community refrigerator, where at any time, many, many differing types of aliens can come here, in order to get what they want?// An Re. To Lonnie. As per your statement that Billy Meirer is the only contact worthy of the Plejerans and without him there will be no other. No, there are many wo have in the past had contacts with the Pleiadeans. This again is redundently, over and over again written in Wendelle C. Stevens, as well as others works. Billy Meier is also not the only one who has had past life links with some of the old post Atlantian memeories, such as the memeories of wearing a type of wrist power braclette, which is designed to act as a weapon. There are others here on Earth, who have direct cellular memeories, to a sharing time is the past Antideluvian world. Thank you Dan. Linda Williams Posted on Saturday, June 01, 2002 - 09:04 pm:        Hello Dan and TerraX, I'm sort of jumping in, and not necessarily on your same wave length, but some statements caught my eye: ". . . the amount of extraterrestrial beings visiting Earth is vast." "This again is redundently, over and over again, written in Wendelle C.Stevens, as well as others' works" While I am specifically and significantly connected to the ET's from the Pleiades, I have heard for over 20 years about an Andromedan connection,and an interplanetary council,seemingly consistent with information from this website and the work of Dr. Steven Greer of CSETI. I think we are fortunate to glean information about the particular group that Billy is connected to, and to learn from them about our many other neighbors. Sincerely, Linda Anthea Cossette Posted on Sunday, June 02, 2002 - 07:42 am:        Hi Dan, With reference to your answer to Lonnie in your above post. Billy Meier is the only human being who is capable of having ongoing face-to-face contacts with the Plejarans. The Plejarans themselves have stated over and over again that they DO NOT have physical face-to-face contacts with anyone else on this planet. The instances where they have been in direct contact with specific individuals in the past are very few and far between -- and nothing compared to the kind of contact Billy Meier still enjoys to this very day with them. The other kinds of "contact" the Plejarans maintain with certain human beings on this planet cannot be described as face-to-face physical contacts, or even telepathic dialogue. The Plejarans themselves have stated that when they send "impulses" to scientists, authors, movie-makers and the like, that these individuals are not even aware that the "ideas" they are getting (to write a book, make a scientific discovery, or make a futuristic "science fiction" movie, etc.) are not their own. Moreover, these kinds of "impulse" contacts have absolutely nothing in common with any of the so-called "New Age" nonsense where people believe that they are being guided by, or given special spiritual knowledge from the Plejarans, and the like. Regards and Salome, Anthea Dan Blatecky Posted on Sunday, June 02, 2002 - 09:43 am:        To Linda Williams' as sighted these sources for starters. Return To Matagonia, by Jaquees Vallie, is an excelient source, which only begins to explore the volume of extraterrestials that come to Earth. This work goes back to biblical time to the present, in which there is a telling of all sorts of alien contacts with Earthbased humans. This book is a very rich source of intrest and I do heartily recomend this text. There is also Ronald Story's Encylopedia Of UFOs, which is very good. I don't recomend text, or conversations that brow beat the reader or lisenter, rather a text that tells it like it is and was seems to be the mainstay. To Athena Gossette; your statment (New Age nonsence), could be more stiled to say the phrase, the 1972 Sirus memeory beam, which was said to have been shot into the sun, to awaken memeories in Earth's peoples, of other existances, so at least they would know who they had been? I don't care what stiles New Age may invest, as there is always a percentage of these people who are sincear and have had actualy memeories and or contacts. For myself, I had confused the photo of Semjase's friend Asket, with the personna of Semjase durring the early immaging contacts with the Pleiadeans.--I can now redily discern who Semjase is, via her biotelepathic content, rather than have to depend upon any one photograph. In the past before the year 1989, I had refered to Cosmonaut Semjase, as having her name pronouned Sem-jase. An Aluti Francesca, of the Silver Light Retreat, of White City Oregon, is who I had learned to say her proper name from, as a result of a phone conversation with her in this said year. (She by her own volalition, has opennnenly said that she could telepathically contact Cosmonaut Semjase, in the early hours of the morning.) I belive that she has, as she knew an awlful lot about her. Penny Harper, was one of the contactees, as well as by Steven's saying a fellow named Lyle, who have also met with the Pleiadeans. Most people do not know that there are many differing sects of the Pleiadeans. Forinstance the Atlantian sected Pleiadeans of the 1975 Meier contacts, are not of the same general discription, nor probable charicter as the origional founding Pleiadeans. My feelings, are that there should have been an off-world ambassador appointed such as myself, who would have zoned culturial, industrial, as well as arts and sciences centers, rather than to perpetunate the falicy, that Earth base man could ever explore space, in the structial sub-par proposals, that have come out of the aerospace community? I do not come here for argumentation, but rather to tell what I know. I wish you both well, Dan Linda Williams Posted on Sunday, June 02, 2002 - 11:05 am:        Hi Dan, I appreciate the source information. I, too, am not here to argue, but rather to share what I know from personal experience, which is just that . . . personal. "All I know is what I know" should ring true for many of us, as I believe that's exactly what Billy has said. I also believe that the kind of contact that Billy has had and continues to have is extraordinary, unequaled and very, very rare! It is my understanding from the various witnesses that Dr. Greer gathered for a National Press Conference in Washington, D.C. that 52 different ET races have been identified. I believe that figure is correct, but someone please correct me if I am wrong. Sincerely, Linda Edward Posted on Monday, June 03, 2002 - 02:50 am:        Hi Jay...and All... Yes, I did read your question posted to "Questions to Billy". As it is mentioned in Billy's material, that I came across, that the UR-race(s) of earth are Black(or Very Darked Skinned) peoples(from earthly evolution). And in the case of Manara...she did mention her race left earth some many many thousands of thousands years ago. And I take it...that even her Dark-race(s)..Then..also were of Mixed. And the more One mixes....the more the mix becomes "Finer" in appearance. Which can explain...that Manara appeared Eruopean Spainish/Italian like. As I have mentioned in a posting, I am of european/asian descent...and I must make clear...I am from Brown-asian descent...to make it all abit clearer. If you would see me in person...I would look just like YOU in appearance Jay!(As I looked at your picture in your profile).....Yes, a real mix...and some just see me as a Dark european..that may even resemble a spanish/italian person...if you will..even. Or a mediterranian type. Some have even taken me for an Ameriacn Indian...(Always complimented with that....) So, I was just trying to make clear...about 'Adam(s) and the Eva(s)'...that to my reading Adam in the chronology of events...I came across.. was/may be "The First Mixed...between a White-Lyrian...and a Black-Eva" on earth. And ofcourse....I would not be surprised..if Manara...was an offspring from this/that lineage(s). So she too...has gotten "Finer" in appearance throughout the centures. And then can be classified as being/looking like spanish/italian...or others...just like in my case. If I were to have offspring...and would marry a White european woman...my childeren would look even More Finer...and Less asian. The asian facial charaters would surely Lessen(disappear). I have noticed this when I look at my family offspring(Very very Beautiful children). So...it just depends...is which way...one would Mix in to marriage. If I were to marry a Dark asian...my offspring would surely look More asian.(go so on..) So a great deal of 'Smiple Logic'...would play a roll here. So One can manifest..'Finer'...or 'Rougher'...if you will..in appearance...depending on how One looks at it all. So, I also hope in some way...the Adams and the Evas..are abit clearified now? To Jan's question also. And I understand your point of view. You are correct on that. I was aware of the same as you were. Take Care...Be Healthy...Jay...and Jan.. Edward... JAY Posted on Monday, June 03, 2002 - 05:20 am:        Hi Edward, As for my Genetic makeup, I am Latin and Portuguese from American Indian "Boricua Indian" descent. My father is Portuguese Latin and my mother is from the Island of Puerto Rico which makes me Portuguese Latin mixture if I may say so. So I have a look that is quite refined in some ways I guess and one which gives me that slight tan complexion. BE WELL Edward, is great hearing from you. James the truthseeker Posted on Monday, June 03, 2002 - 11:12 am:        Greetings Dan and others, I'd like to point out that in my own searching for the truth there are still people who would like to believe they are in contact with Semjase, Ptaah, etc. I just happen to know Aluti Francesca personally and as myself along with most people at the UFO congress well often tell you, she always wants to be the center of attention along with being treated like a queen. I have nothing really against her, but at times I know she can be difficult with me, in my friendship with her. She has now taken her focus off Billy and the Plejarans to now focus more on Carlos Dias. I keep telling her, "Don't confuse the ETs with the inner Earth people or inner terrestrial beings"! It is true that there are individuals in contact with what billy calls "the Benefactors", who are also NOT in contact with the Plejarans. Though Billy was some-what vague about this information, you can find this info in the 251 contact notes. I personally know a few people who are in contact with the benefactors. A small group of these benefactors may actually be from another area of the Pleiades or claim to be as such as some UFO contactees in South America or Mexico can tell you. Not all Benefactors are friendly as I and friends of mine recomend some caution here as would Billy. Peace in knowing, and to all beings, AMNESTY!!! James the truthseeker Jean Pierre Lagasse Posted on Monday, June 03, 2002 - 06:19 pm:        Hi Dan, all, Many years ago I took lots of "new age courses" put on by local "teachers". These included group meditations, "How to channel" etc. There are "psychic" and "mental" effects which can be experienced using various techniques to be sure but... somewhere along the way, most people involved forget about "verification" and "reality". We had (after several years) a most bizarre collection of people who either thought they were in contact with various forms of ET's, channeling famous people, giving "readings" etc. All or most of this (so-called) info was vague and inconsequential. A very few of us began observing/examining the mental effects... rather than simply believing the information itself. Our own minds can mislead us if we start believing "what we think or experience"... without question. Also, a person's objectivity decreases if/when an observer (or "teacher") either encourages or "verifies" the info !! There is MUCH more than this... on this topic. Remember, most of us earthlings are only using about "10%" brain power as it is. Just because a source of "new age" information "could" be true (is unverifiable), or is sprinkled with "true(?) stuff", does NOT mean it's TRUE !!! On top of this, Very few so-called "info sources" have even one shred of logically verifiable information, let alone any decent physical evidence whatsoever to back their "claims". Any such data should be regarded as pure "fiction" rather than "possible truth". Regards, JP TerraX Posted on Sunday, June 02, 2002 - 01:08 pm:        Hi all.I posted the following question some time ago."Who are the three main races that visit us regularly?", mentioned by Ptaah without any further explanation.Talking about a timebomb huh. I think I allready figured it out for the most part but some feedback would have been nice. Given the eyewitness reports it stands out that there are a lot more who have embarked on a mission here. Regards,TerraX Daniel Blatecky Posted on Sunday, June 02, 2002 - 10:14 pm:        Yep probably this and more, as the universe, let alone the galixy is so volumous with many differing life forms. I don't know if formalized governement is going to do the formalized "We can accept other life forms other than humans" cha cha, Linda? Thanks' Dan blerim Posted on Monday, June 03, 2002 - 09:39 am:        HI Dan ....please if you can give to me some more information about the book from : Jaquees Vallie, and Ronald story,s Encyklopedia of UFO s.,where can I get them, or do they have any website.? hoping to hear anything back ,I wish to you a nice day. blerim TerraX Posted on Tuesday, June 04, 2002 - 01:00 pm:        What I find concerning is stories I keep reading about the US government having crashed alien crafts in their posession.They keep those vehicles offcourse in order to retro-engineer the technologies involved.Subsequently they have made deals with the race from Zeta Reticuli along the lines off,'we keep the crafts,you can abduct our citizins for research'. Let me make one thing clear as a citizin of another country and of Earth.I made no deal with the Greys nor will I honour agreements made by other Earth men who hide in the shadowy rooms of democracy. Has this been talked about in the contact-notes? I did read a section off Billy and Ptaah about the abductions by the Greys which was termed 'examination-contact'.In my opinion this subject was too quickly discussed and the fact that psychological trauma is inflicted was left out. Perhaps there is more on this subject which I haven't read yet.I welcome any info. Regards,TerraX. TerraX Posted on Tuesday, June 04, 2002 - 01:16 pm:        I read a large section of Wendelle Stevens book and I must confess I made new discoveries and learned of my old errors.I have 2 of the later contact-notes namely the 235th and 241-243.What I found unrealistic was the lack of disagreement. Reading it I sensed it was a '4 hands on one belly routine',meaning 2 people in total agreement. Much to my amazement I saw lots of friction in the earlier contact-notes 1 to 30 which gives a realistic impression.Also read the letter made by Semjase,naughty woman,putting a code in it. Still learning,TerraX. Edward Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 12:54 am:        Hi Linda...and All... Yes, Very Very True about Billy/Eduard... He is Very Very "Rare"!!! I find him Very Very "Unique"...and a "Phenomenon".. When Seeking for "True Spirituality" and "True Contactees"...One does Not have to wander to a bookshelf of 'Spirituality'...and then wander to a bookshelf for 'Contactees'. Or wander off to the 'Wisdom'shelf...and last but not least...to the 'Knowledge'bookshelf. One just has to wonder to 'ONE' bookshelf...and Grab his book...and All the mentioned above...are all in "ONE BOOK"!(this is the case with All his books and booklets!) "You have all those important subjects and topics.. ALL IN ONE BOOK!(and in Full Detail!)" "And ALL For The Price of ONE BOOK!".. "'NO ONE' can even come that close to him!!! That call themselves...contactees!!!" He is just a Real "Centipede" of Talent!... Of 'True Natural Cause'... a "Ture Phenomenon". "ONE OF A KIND!" What more can I add? " Viel Dank Mein Freund Eduard... fur die Weisheit und das Wissen" Take Care...Be Healthy Linda... Edward.... Edward Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 01:25 am:        Hi Jay... Nice hearing that you are fine... Yes, we do have a mixed genetic-make-up...as you clearified. And that we are Aware of it all. That is very good to know. As even are Many in the western world(and other parts)..but many even Without Knowing this...alas. So you can imagine...how many races came forth from The Ur-earth race...and the few that settled down here on earth to make a fine mixture of earth human species/beings. Creating many Great and Beautiful Cultures. So, there may only be just a few "Pure" races...if you will...that are not that mixed in Quantity. As we can notice when you look at the Chinese race and some others. So, in the Western World...We are All partially of Mixed descendants! And that there are groeps of people still claming to be Pure in race...which is Not Pure Fact if they knew their Own family descendants/roots. I See and Feel No 'disadvantage' in being mixed. "Its Great to Look at The World..from Many sides.." As we can be conscious of: "Creation is Also...of ONE MIXED Creation"...which All Creatures in Creation are/make part of. Always Nice hearing from you Jay... Take Care...Be Healthy...Jay.. Edward... Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu Posted on Monday, June 10, 2002 - 12:34 am:        Hi TerraX: Regarding your question about who are the 3 species visit our planet regularly, my opinion is Plejaran, the race live under sea, whose suggestion might not be good to us after all, and the race live on the east slope of Mt. Shasta. Hampton Chiu James the truthseeker Posted on Monday, June 10, 2002 - 01:18 am:        Greetings Hampton Chiu, Actually I would disagree with you some what here. The 3 ET groups who visit us regularly involving some people in examination contacts are the Zeta Reticuli along with 2 other groups which Ptaah or Billy never mentions that I've read so far. The undersea and Inner terrestral beings living in Mt Shasta are not ETs at all as they are descendants of Hyperboreans(Long time living here). Though they do get visits from other ET groups and have their own UFO ships. The majority of abductions now are actually done by US military posing as ETs using anti gravity craft. This of course leads to a big alien abduction hoax. James the truthseeker E. Visser Posted on Monday, June 10, 2002 - 12:50 pm:        Hi all.Two of the races that visit us are well known for those who did there homework,namely the Plejarens and the Zeta Reticuli's or Greys. Somehow I think that the Lyrians visit us to on a regular basis allthough we don't hear a lot from them.Our roots are intimidly connected so it stands to reason they stay in touch with us Terrans. Regards,TerraX. Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu Posted on Tuesday, June 11, 2002 - 11:51 pm:        Hi James the truthseeker and TerraX: The original question posted by TerraX is 'Does anyone know the names of the 3 extra-terrestial groups visiting Earth at this time? This bit of info was mentioned by Ptaah but I don't have that peticular contact-note.Hope you can help me out. Tx.' The message is posted on May 27, 2002. And I assume it is not asking for the names of 3 ET races abducting humans, but 3 races visiting earth. I remembered reading some info about 'the cousins of those people live on Mt. Shasta still visit them sometimes.' that is why I believe that race is one of the regular visitors. About the race live under the ocean, I have less clues, I only know that later in time, they will emerge from ocean and try to talk us into building huge cities undersea, which might cause more weather problem. Hope this will clarify my previous posting. Warm regards. Hampton E. Visser Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 12:31 pm:        Hi Hampton.Yes my intention was to find the names of the three races visiting us.Not the ones who abduct certain people but the ones who contact us in a more normal matter.Within the abduction phenomenon there also seems to be different races or perhaps droids like the chupacabra. I've read in books the possibilty of ET bases on practically every continent and even on the bottom of the sea.What the truth is in those stories I don't know. Regards,TerraX JAY Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 01:25 pm:        Hi Visser, There was once a Contact in the Island Puerto Rico who had contact with a group of PLEJARANS who were from the similar mission as that of Meier. The PLEJARAN contacts happened back in the 1960's as well and he was a catholic priest in the Caborojo area of Puerto Rico. One of the things I remember about this is that he was told that every year they had to circulate the PLEJARANS of the base due to aging due to our planets atmosphere, the information also mentioned the base was located under water near the island of Puerto Rico. I am not too familiar with this information however the Priest who was given the task to see if he wanted to take on this mission refused do to so do to the Religious pressure. This may be one circumtance where under sea contacts come into play. BE WELL Visser Mark Campbell Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 04:37 pm:        Hi ; The above description by Jay, of a so called "contact of Plejarens with a a catholic priest in the Caborojo area of Puerto Rico" is typical of the many false reports of Plejaren contacts. It is well documented that these falsehoods flourish , and nowhere in the FIGU information is this "contact" mentioned .Evidently, hearsay is being taken seriously by some on this forum , and here is your "FYI" on the matter . If you do a search on this forum , you might use "those who lie about contacts " as a start . Mark Marc Juliano Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 05:18 pm:        Hi Jay, From where did you hear this information about someone in Puerto Rico being a contactee to the Plejarans? Regards, Marc Norm Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 07:33 pm:        Jay, Are you sure your not confused with the German guy that was reported in Guido's book that turned down a chance to be a contactee with another group of ET's. Scott B. Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 09:01 pm:        Hi Norm That was my impression too. I think that contact took place in Boliva and the two ET's were from Proxima Centauri. Scott James the truthseeker Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 02:48 am:        Greetings Hamptom, Jay and others, Before pointing fingers at people making false claims of contacts with Plejarans, Let me point out that through-out South America, Caribbean, and Mexico, there have being different individuals telling of contacts with Pleiadians, but not Plejarans which could also mean x-germans and/or benefactors claiming to be as such, but also don't forget that there is fakers out there too. Obviously what ever the situation, the Plejarans were never involved with people here. The 2 ETs from Proxima Centauri however where friends of th Plejarans. The beings from Mt Shasta don't seem to be making any more "open" trade contacts sense the 1930s. The question about the 3 ET races can be found at the beginning of the 249 contact as such: Billy: My first question refers once again to UFO sightings and so-called abductions by extraterrestrials: Can you tell me how many alien races currently fly to and from Earth and perform research here, or are active in some other way? Ptaah: For many years now the same three different races have been active here. Our posture towards them has been to monitor their movements without interfering in their deeds, actions and activities; and for this reason they are unaware of our existence. Billy: Do these three extraterrestrial races maintain any contact with people on Earth? Have they maintained any contact with ordinary people on Earth or to the military, etc.? Ptaah: As I previously mentioned during one of our conversations, I am not permitted to give any official information about questions pertaining to official or military matters in regard to contacts with non-terrestrial human intelligences. >>>CONTINUED>>>> Peace in wisdom, James the truthseeker E. Visser Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 01:42 pm:        Hi all.The base hidden in Puerto Rico as I understand it is being run by the Greys (note: there are different types).I doubt it is a jointly operated base.I would find it concerning if Plejarens would relay there messages from there. Keep in mind that different races have different agenda's.The higher developed will reach a common set of rules,the less developed will not.This does make it harder to see the truth. Stay sharp,TerraX. Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 05:21 pm:        Hi James the truthseeker: Thanks for your helpful info. I think you are right about Plajaran is not one of the 3 races 'active' on this planet that Ptaah talked about. Next question is what is the definition of 'active' in Ptaah's conversation? Have a base here? Visiting this planet only? Or direct/indirect contact with human race on earth? In contact note 249, my feeling is Ptaah did not answer frankly to Mr. Meier's question, so it is difficult to know who are the 3 'active' races on this planet. Not Plajarans for sure. Hampton Lars Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 07:28 pm:        Does anyone know the import of some of Billy's more recent contacts with the Plejarens? Has he had the privelege of seeing Semjase again as Ptaah promised him? Just what is being said these days by the Plejarens to Billy? can anybody leak out anything? Salaame, Lars James the truthseeker Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 09:23 pm:        Greetings Hampton, Lars To me "active" means having involved themselves with us in a direct or indirect contact. Also as far as I know, Ptaah does take Billy to see Semjase from time to time. Salome, James the truthseeker Lars Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 08:42 am:        Does anyone know if the Greek peoples are a colony of the Plejarens or Lyrans? Iam of the opinion that they must be from the Plejarens, since there are so many Greek sounding names and words in the Plejaren language which they have revealed to Billy in his contacts. Could the Greeks be half earthling and half Plejaren, resulting from when the Plejaren ancestors interbred with earth humans? Lars Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 10:49 pm:        Hi Lars: Ptaah told Mr. Meier that he can speak ancient Greek when Mr. Meier visit the big space station. So I believe somehow Ptaah has been to ancient Greece through time travel. But what Ptaah did during his visit to ancient Greek is not clear to us. I don't think Ptaah will be so unwise to mate with earth female during the visit, at least his wife(s) will be very upset. Hampton Lars Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 08:44 pm:        Thanks Hampton I recall Ptaah telling Billy on the "Great Spacer-ship" that he mastered the old Greek language. and if I recall correct? Quetzal mentioned that Ptaah learned the old Greek language back in Greece itself. I was not at all suggesting that Ptaah or his comrades intermarried with earthwomen. I was pointing out that maybe Ptaah's Plejaren ancestors intermarried with ancient Greek earthwomen, or that their Lyran and Plejaren ancestors actually started the Greek race in the Mediterranean. James the truthseeker Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 12:06 am:        Greetings Lars and others, It is my understanding that the People of ancient Greece where very much like ourselves who had interacted with a group of Hyperboreans present from Mt Olympus(somewhat simular to present day Mt Shasta). These Hyperboreans where at that time known as the Greek Gods. I'm sure you may know the mythology. I also have reason to believe(intuit) that a group of Benefactor ETs where stationed underwater there off the coast of Greece who were involved with a Greek community called Manari until the flood or disaster of Santarini occurred. Though Ptaah more then likely would not have mated with any women there, the Hyperboreans may have as I'm sure your all aware of the story of Hercules. The ones living off the coast underwater would have being related to as other Greek Gods and where perhaps "shapeshifters" as they simular to native legends, could shapeshift into sea creatures such as mermaids, dolphins, etc. If this is true, this would explain the legends of dolphins from Sirius, etc. The Hyperboreans enjoyed creating new species of human animals such as griffins, Unicorns, centaurs, and Troglodytes(present day Bigfoot or Yeti). Just a thought, Salome, James the truthseeker Lars Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 09:42 am:        Hi James Interesting points you bring up, I can sense you enjoy deep study of the issues. I do as well. When you speak of the Hyperboreans,it reminds me that Semjase told Billy once that the Hyperboreans were a splinter race from the Arus 1 factions at that time. It is also interesting to note that Semjase infers that her Plejaren ancestors were at one time in recruit with Arus-1, but later defected from him due to his cruelty.this episode might account for the stories in the apocraphyl book of 1 Enoch about fallen angels deserting the high commands of God? and interbreeding with earthwomen. maybe Semjase's ancestors were the Hyperboreans? and maybe they interbred and created the Athenian Greek culture? as Plato and the Priest Sonchis from Egypt imply that the goddess Athena(a hyperborean?) founded and inspired Greek Athens as well as Sais Egypt and that the Greeks and those Egyptians at Sais were relatives! This may be one way to account for Ptaah saying his ancient egyptian relative Ptah lived in Memphis. Salaam, Lars James the truthseeker Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 08:24 pm:        Greetings Lars, As I enjoy deep thinking, I call this truthseeking. As far as Semjase being a decendent of the Hyperboreans, I would say this is true but not directly as it was Ptah who eventually retured to the Plejades to conceive with a plejaran woman there. Semjase would then be a decendent of this couple which means she is a decendent of 2 lineages of Hyperboreans and Plejarans. Though I wonder if the Hyperborean's language is Greek or vise-versa. Arus I was the founding ruler of Hyperborea with ill intentions, but to keep his race pure, probaly he know about the aging and aggression gene alterations. Semjaza of course decided to change all that by mating with human females. I believe that this act of unlawful believed genetic mating by Semjaza has created many human sexual taboos in some of the major religions up to today. Yet later, Gabrial mated with Mary to conceive Jmmanuel. Mary was supposedly around 12 years of age at the time which would mean that by todays standards, Gabrial had conceived with a girl underage & out of wedlock! Now there's a real punch to Christians if ever I've seen it! Salome, James the truthseeker JAY Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 07:51 am:        Hi James, Very well said on your part, the spiritual views and thinking of these Jswhjsh's are so much out of what we understand as you can see by this acts of Gabriel, it seems it was proper and justified by the PLEJARANS or the groups who he (Gabriel)belonged to. Just the facts themselves sound off as taboo and I would only understand this to be done at the time. Maybe this was also a part of the time of spiritual development for themselves (Gabriel and the groups where he came from) to evolve even thought he was a special being of high degree. This would definitely be a good question to bring up in the next round of questins for Billy, true details of Gabriel's existence. BE WELL James Mark Campbell Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 10:09 am:        James , Jay ; What is your source for the info that she was 12 years old , James ? By their standards in those days , that was child bearing age , as far as I know , and I can't say that I really do . It was so long ago in a different culture . Scott B. Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 01:48 pm:        Hello This topic came up in one of the study groups I used to belong to a few years ago. I do remember the "leader" of the study group asking Billy about this particular issue. I believe the mating of Gabriel with Mary did not occur in the normal physical way as assumed. My undersanding is that Gabriel inseminated Mary through some non-physical means. I think part of the reason for it being done this way is the higher evolved ET's cannot tolerate the vibrations of earth humans as we can't tolerate theirs either. This may be just one reason, but it may have had a bearing on why it was done through some sort of spiritual interaction rather then physical. Just a few thoughts.... Salome Scott B. Lonnie Morton Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 03:58 pm:        Hi James, Yes, Mary may have been impregnated through artificial insemination and not by physical means as Scott said. As far as her age being only 12, I have not seen this anywhere. The reason why an Jschwjsch was to be the biological father of Jmmanuel had to do with the nature of the mission at that time, and what Jmanuel had to accomplish according to circumstances that existed then. Later, Mohammed, and then Billy, obviously did not possess the same powers, but were more evolved with greater knowledge. Regards, Lonnie Chris Rowley Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 04:49 pm:        Has anyone tried to graphically depict these lineages -- perhaps with something like a 'family tree'? blerim Posted on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 01:25 pm:        Mark Campell ....why should then Maria be a virgin ????? James the truthseeker Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 03:27 am:        Greetings everyone, I seem to recale reading about Mary being age 12 when she conceived Jmmanuel from reading this in one of Edger Cayce's books, who also talked of the mother of Mary as being involved with the Essenes. For some time I also thought of the idea of artificial insemination, until I read a comment from Semjase that atificial insemination could have bad consequences according to the laws of creation, though she didn't explain why that I remember. As such. It would make logical sense that insemination be used if Mary is to stay a virgin. I also remember reading somewhere that Mary was an ancient Lyran spirit who was able to conceive and give birth to Jmmanuel for this reason. Like Semjaza before him, Gabriel conceiving with an Earth woman such as Mary may not have being all that unusuel to them for what ever purpose. Salome, James the truthseeker Rick Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 07:35 am:        Hello everyone Is there any information in contact notes about time ,when our scientists will be able to build flying machines similar to beamships? (i mean planetary class ,not hyperspace) Rick Phil McAiney Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 03:56 pm:        Mary was not involved with the Essenes. She and Joseph were ordinary spirits and not special or elevated in any way from Earth humans. Billy was told this. As to the artificial insemnation theory, the fertilization of Mary via Gabriel took place through Gabriel's spiritual strength and power so that she became pregnant without going through sexual intercourse. Therefore, she was truly a virgin when she gave birth to Jmmanuel. This fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah that a prophet would be born through a virgin. (Note by the moderator CF on March 27, 2004: The information above is not true. If Mary, Jmmanuel's mother, is called having been a virgin (= Jungfrau in German), the following must be explained: In Old-Lyrian, i.e. Henok's language, the term "Jungfrau" was used for a) a young woman, b) an unmarried woman, c) but also a divorced and widowed woman. Mary had been a young woman at the time of Jmmanuel's birth. Jungfrau doesn't mean that she was a virgin = had not had sexual intercourse. She had already given birth to a first child (Jmmanuel being her second child). There is no such thing as a spiritual fertilization, there is no fertilization through spiritual strength and power. In the case of Jmmanuel's origin there has been a normal, intended procreation/fathering. Besides: There was no artificial insemination 2000 years ago. (Additional note by the moderator CF on December 25, 2014: Thanks to a question by Mahesh Karumudi I have realised the requirement to correct my false explanation above regarding Maria's first child. During the process of the new translation of the TJ by Plejaren linguists - in cooperation with Arahat Athersata - it turned out that Jmmanuel had really been the first-born son of Maria, but it also turned out that Maria already was kind of a substitute-mother [an Mutterstatt] of three orphan children before she gave birth to the first of her own children. This information can be read in Chapter 1 of the 2011 edition of the TJ.) The practise of artificial insemnation is one that does not promote the strength and urge to live as strongly as birth through natural procreation. Therefore, the recipients of this form of fertilization have a weaker drive or personality. Thus it is not recommended by the Plejaran. Thus, Mary was not artificially inseminated but the seed of Gabriel became existent in her via Gabriel's spiritual power. Jmmanuel was not the product of any artificial insemnation and so did not suffer any side-effects of its process. Mary was an Earth human - not a Lyrian. Her grave is as mentioned by Billy in the Talmud Jmmanuel - in the foothills of the Himalayas in Pakistan, in the hills of Murree, near the capital of Islamabad. Markers still show the place. She died travelling to India with Jmmanuel after a serious illness when Jammanuel was about 38. (Message edited by christian on December 25, 2014) Phil McAiney Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 04:10 pm:        "Eva" means "Earth female" while "Adam" means "Earth male". There was no mixing between one race and another in this early stage by the two hybrid humans. Therefore, Adam was a product of the white ET scientist, Semjasa, as was Eva or in English, "Eve", 11,000 years ago. She was not black. The black races had their own "Adam" and "Eve" but called them different names. Likewise with the creation of the first male and female made to form all the other races (Brown, Asian, Latin, North American Indian etc.). James the truthseeker Posted on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 09:39 pm:        Greetings Phil, I haven't heard from you in awhile. Anyway I wasn't refering to Mary herself as being an Essene or associated with them, but rather her mother "Onna" at a much earlyer time according to Edger Cayce, was. It would appear that the Essenes where very much aware of the prophecy of Isaiah. I heard that Mary was an ancient Lyran spirit living on Earth, from Randolph Winters as he wrote this also in his book about Billy. So now your suggesting this isn't true and that this may be yet onther one of those things that Randy has made up? Ok. This would also suggest that with Gabriel's intent, Mary was conceved with prana itself to give birth to Jmmanuel. For those who may not know, prana is the source of creation itself which is used in India, Tibet, etc, to bring physical things into existents. Don't ask me to explain it because this would take way to long. Salome, James the truthseeker Lonnie Morton Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2002 - 12:20 am:        Hi James, Phil is correct in that Mary was impregnated by means of Gabriel's spiritual strength and power. My point was that Mary became pregnant by a means other than sexual intercourse. The artificial insemination theory may be interpreted by some as the other means without considering Gabriel's powers as an Jschwjsch. Besides not being able to tolerate our vibrations as Scott said, Gabriel was not about to violate a Creational law and commit adultery with Mary. So, the point here was, it just was not an act of physical intercourse, unless he hypnotized her and then erased her memory afterwards, but then, this would not fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah, that Jmmanuel was to be born of a virgin. Phil, about Mary being an original Earth human/spirit and not a Lyrian spirit, where do you get this from? This doesn't seem accurate. Correct me if I am wrong. Regards, Lonnie Lonnie Morton Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2002 - 12:34 am:        Hi Phil, Your definition of "Adam" and "Eva" or "Eve" differs from the definition given by Marc Juliano and Anthea Cossette on May 30, 2002 in this same section. See above. Lonnie Anthea Cossette Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2002 - 08:00 am:        Hi Lonnie, I might be mistaken in my own knowledge about the "Eva" and "Adam" issues. Regards, Anthea Phil McAiney Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2002 - 04:49 pm:        Nr. 1: Randy Winters has given reems of inaccurate and falsified data about Billy, the Plejaran etc., in his books, lectures and audio tapes that he pawns on the public for a hefty price. Switzerland has tried to contact him to correct these statements but he refuses to do so. Apparently, he feels it would lower his stature if he were to admit any error. This is one of the reasons why the FIGU wants nothing to do with him. After all, even Semjase admitted her error in the Contact Notes for everyone to read. So who is R. Winters to prefer to protect his image instead? Nr. 2: "prana" is an Indian term for the energy used or called up to manifest different things. I have never heard of it being used to manifest a pregnancy or birth, and I don't think anyone else is either. This was not the spiritual power Gabriel used to bring about or manifest the fertilization of Mary's egg. Being a Plejaran, Gabriel was about 25 Million years in advance spiritually to the Earth people at that time. Thus, I doubt very much that some people in India somehow have since caught up to him with their theory about "prana" and how they can currently use it. We surely would have heard about all these pregnancies and births etc., by now from mateless virgins if that were the case. Nr. 3: I have not read anywhere from Billy that Jmmanuel's mother was or was not a Lyrian. But I have read that she was an ordinary Earthhuman being. It was in the German Contact Notes. I will try to find and report back but these kind of searches take many, many hours sometimes to locate. Please be patient. Nr. 4: Since Mary was an ordinary person, it follows logically her own Mother was just as normal. We are all aware of the cult-status and divine beingness status Mary of the Bible has attained and the many "miracles" she has produced. That which has its origins in a cult you may rest assured is completely inaccurate and false. She wasn't even considered a saint until 400 years after the crucifixion. Even Billy's own parents were normal human beings. His extraordinary friends who came into contact with him that were not normal he identifies: Rev. Rudolph Zimmerman, Rahat Sanganan, Bhante etc., at the Ashram in Mehrauli etc. Phil McAiney Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2002 - 05:08 pm:        Marc Juliano has it right when he says the translation of the name "Adam" is "Earth human", or "Earth human being", giving the reference of Contact Nr. 7. The reason why it and "Eva" are not mentioned in the "Book of Names" is because they have to do with humans that have their origins on Earth. All the other names in the book have their origin on another planet, though they may be living currently on Earth in their present lifetime or will be in a future lifetime. James the truthseeker Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2002 - 07:50 pm:        Greetings Phil, I would agree with all your statements, however for Gabrial to use his spiritual forces to manifest a pragnancy for Mary, I would "assume" is done with the use of Prana in the same way the real Mahatmas of India and Tibet have sprouted seeds, etc. Now to say this was not the spiritual power used to impregnate Mary? Perhaps so!, and I could be wrong! If you then know or read how Gabriel really brought this about with his spiritual abilities and it wasn't Prana, then do tell us! I'm all ears! Now as you say, the people of India may indeed not be as advanced as Gabriel in the use of spiritual power, prana, etc, along with us hearing about virgin births from there, but to be "kindly" a little blunt here, I highly dought your going to hear any of that now from the real Mahatmas anyway. In particular Tibet being a very isolated country from the rest of the world, secondly because of all the false gurus in India now just looking for large followings of people with only just tidbits of this teaching,. The Mahatmas are still a very reclusive small minority of people in isolated areas of Tibet and probably don't even exist anymore in India. Keep in mind also the Chinese oppression now in Tibet. Yet you yourself give refrence to Billy's teachers in India, one who was known as Swami Dharmawara, also known as Ananda Mahatma at the Ashoka Ashram in Mehrauli India. Though Mahatma is an East Indian term, In Tibet they were/are at times called Dzogchenists. I have heard about reports of virgin births in this region as very rare occurrences, they where called "immaculate conceptions", however there is no real need today for Mahatmas/Dzogchenists to procreate in this manner when they can just do it the natural easy way with their spouses and have families like we do. It's not to surprising today that hardly any newage type of person has even heard of the Dzogchen teachings, not to mention immaculate conceptions for that matter. Salome James the truthseeker Edward Posted on Tuesday, June 25, 2002 - 12:05 pm:        Hi All... Hope you are doing all fine.. Very nice discussion here about 'How Mary conceived Jmmanuel?' I have asked this myself many time also. I had even thought of 'Atrificial Insemination' also, but I do agree with what some of you have stated as it being Not a Natural way to conceive a child. As the Plejarans may have also stated? But I do think that the procreation of Jmmanuel may have manifested by "Pure Creational Spiritual Powers." And "A Power of 'Utmost' Creational Spiritual Strength". As an example... we know that there are people here on earth that may have a very strong spirits and can be able to utilze this Spiritual Powers to make objects move, levitate and so forth.(Not to foreget Eduard/Billy!) I surely acknowledge that this manifestion may have been the case with the procreation of Jmmanuel...and others. We surely know that if those few people on earth that can utilze their powers..just mentioned above...why is it not possible for Spiritual Powers way far more advanced then the Plejarans and others to let this manifest. We can acknowledge that "Creational Spiritual Power" is "Above" any Power we know. So, with the help of Higher Spiritual Entities that exist Without a body Can make the process come into reality. As we know that the Andromeda Council are beings that are half-spirit and half-material in appearance...but above them..the Pure Spirit entites...and even above them..and so on..surely have the possiblity to make 'Anything' manifest if they pleased. Their Spiritual Powers are just far beyond Our imagination! They are a Body of Unknown Measureblity! We know that the Andromeda Beings manifest in Energy ships and can take any form they wish...;thats how powerful their Techque is...in Spirituality. Let alone think of the entities Far beyond theirs! A procreation of a spirit to our little earth would Truley be nothing! Just a Simple Routine Process which they utilzed for Billions and Billions of years...from Far back in Time...for other Prophets incarnating to a planet that is in need of a Spirit with much Wisdom and Knowledge...as Nokodemjon has his lineage as our Spiritual Prophet. So, indeed...a Call to the Higher Consciousness of Creation Made the Procreation of Jmmanuel Manifest throught the Spirit of Gabriel onto the Virgin Mary/Maria. Whereas...we most not foreget...that the power of Creation at that Level...can 'Control Every Part of Our Creation... and All That Is'. So, by this way of manifestion to conceive Jmmanuel can not be brought in doubt? I hope I'm not making this all very difficult to understand for you reading this? It is also difficult for me to explain it...to be honest. But "Creational Spiritual Powers" has it's Hand here...from the "Highest Levels"...if I may state it this way. "It is for them 'A Piece Of Cake'...if you will...to let that process come into manifestation." It would be to us...on our little earth...as being a Trick done by an Illusionist/Magician. When it is really Nothing....to them. But "Pure Creational Spiritual Powers"...at work. "Mind Over Matter"...as we know it. Take Care....Be Healthy...You All... Edward... Lars Posted on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 05:59 pm:        Hi everyone, Here's a link with a Picture of a Guru who looks a bit like Billy. Gurupic Semjase once stated in the 7th contact to Billy the following.... "One can observe over one whole main period this way, that the facial appearance of the guest bodies is nearly always much the same, and only changes very slowly, until a high spiritual level has been attained. At verylow or very high spiritual position, the faces of all the guest bodies (of a given spirit) RESEMBLE ONE ANOTHER." It's no mistake Billy and this Guru resemble each other a little! Regards, and Salaam, Lars Edward Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 03:42 am:        Hi Lars... Yes...I looked at the Guru Link. And I must say...it does in some way or an other resemble Billy. But Swami Who is he? Don't think I know him. Edward.

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