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    Phaethonsfire New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2004 |
A word about Homosexuality, Bisexuality and Lesbianism. These are my thoughts and understanding of the Natural Creative Laws and Directives in this matter. First of all, for clarity sake I will explain the definitions of sexual orientation: A heterosexual person is solely sexually attracted to a member of the opposite sex, and has long term relationships with the opposite sex in which incorporates sexual activity and intercourse. A bisexual person is a person who is sexually attracted to both male's and female's, but depending on one's personality the attraction is more to the same or opposite sex. A homosexual person is a person who is solely sexually attracted to the same sex, and has long term relationships with the opposite sex in which incorporates sexual activity. All sexual activities which occur between BOTH sexes are considered bisexual. The Natural Creative Laws provide for a polygamic union between one male and several females, based on the capicity of the male the sustain and provide for the females in any way, may it be in mentally, emotionally, spiritually and material ways. Since the male is the representation of the positive creative principle and therefor outogoing/repulsive, it can't allow another male in the same union because they would reject each other and therefore breakup the union before it even can exist. The female is the representation of the negative creative principle and therefore ingoing/attractive, it will attract other females in the same union and form a harmonic unity with them, this has the purpose to create a receptive maritial union in which offspring can be conceived by the male and raised to adulthood by the male and his female(s) This maritial-union between man and his wive(s) is Neutrally-balanced and according to the Natural-Creative laws the basic building union of a a communion (the first of a socalled I-US form union), which is followed by extended families, friends, clans, etc up to world wide unions and even higher. The Natural Creative Laws provide for the females in this maritial union a choice between Natural-Heterosexuality and Natural-Bisexuality, its up to the females if they endulge into Natural-Bisexuality or not. Females have a deeper emotional life then males generally caused by their genetic makeup, brain structure, psychological structure and upbringing, females communicate at a deeper level and with more emotions then a male, therefor their drive and desire to connect with other females is far more intense then those of male-male bonds. Natural-Bisexuality in females has its reason that even in extreme cases when there arent any males around that they enable each other by ways of psychological and physical stimilation to induce self-conception in order to procreate and to ensure the surivival of the spieces, however this is not the prefferred way of procreation because of the lack of genetic variation, and it would produce only females. Natural-Bisexuality in females has also his reasons to make the bond between women stronger and more intense, to ensure a harmony and comfort in the maritial union, this kind of bisexuality is a expression of deep love including sexual means, but said already, its a choice females can make, its not required by Natural-Creative Laws. Same-sex stimulation (Male-Homosexuality/Male-Bisexuality) between males is a Natural-unnatural occurance caused by an inbalance in genetical makup, premature incarnation, upbringing or a combination of such, its not an abomination against nature. The Homosexuality (explained in the Talmud and OM) that IS a abomination and a crime against nature is the perverse desire for males to be able to conceive AND bear children, this would be only possible by means of genetic manipulation, this is very actual because the Earth-Human is advancing in this field of science which will make him capable of undertaking this kind of manipulations. Lesbianism / Feminism which occurs on Earth is a violation against the Natural-Laws and Directives of Creation because in this regard the male is completely disregarded as a part of a union, this sexual orientation is also a result of a mismatch in genetic makeup, pre-mature incarnation, upbringing, psychological damage (many lesbians are raped in their lives and psychologically damaged in such a way that they reject a male as a valid spouse in a maritial-union. The following sexual orientations can be classified as Natural-Unnatural: Male-Homosexuality/Male-Bisexuality and Lesbianism, they occur out of a natural causes in combination with events in life and upbringing, but they ARENT against Nature or Creation, therefore these males and females can be just as loving, caring, wise and knowledgable as any one else. This is what I have learned from the Teachings. Jacob | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Jacob and others It has being my observation for many years that human males exert a more creative expressive force where as human females gravitate a more cultivate compassionate force. Kind of like the male goes out to find and create works of art in nature and then the female cultivates this beauty into nature itself. Another way of seeing it is: A woman blossoms herself open like a brilliant multi rainbow coloured flower in hopes of attracting a man who comes forth to her like a brilliant multi rainbow coloured butterfly. As the butterfly, he then pollinates her with unimaginable pleasure in a fluttering array of rainbow bless and love. She now takes him in with compassion as she closes her many soft coloured petals around his most delicate wings to keep him warm and pure. Or perhaps we can see it a different way such as planets around a sun and moons around the planets, or electrons around a proton beginning with the most basic of all elements, that of the monogamous hydrogen atom. I've often wondered if the wives of a single man could also choose sexual relations among themselves within a polygamous group marriage if they gravitate towards each other. On Earth, I'm also under the impression that our human sexuality has also being altered with the original ageing gene in both male and females. Such as I bet that Plejaren females would not go through the menstrual cycles the way earth females do, in fact probably not at all. It seems that the depletion of many of the bodies hormones will in fact increase the ageing process especially with men and masturbation. In fact there might be a few more things here that even Billy may not be aware of, of which I would like to ask him one day and that is just the tip of the iceberg. Peace in wisdom, James Truthseeker | ||
Claes Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 07-2002 |
Jacob Hello Jacob, Phaethonsfire, Thank you for your contribution. I find you comments above helpful for me to understand polygami and the differences between male and female. You confirm my thoughts about homosexuality etc aswell. I assume that you made a mistake in your text in the first part of your statement with definitions of sexual orientation that should read as follows: “A homosexual person is a person who is solely sexually attracted to the same sex, and has long term relationships with the same sex in which incorporates sexual activity.” Salome, //Claes | ||
Phaethonsfire New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hello Claes and Truth Seeker, Yes, Claes you are correct, I made a mistake in the first definition, I noticed it after I posted my information. Dear Truthseeker, you say "Such as I bet that Plejaren females would not go through the menstrual cycles the way earth females do, in fact probably not at all." This assumption is incorrect, the menstrual cycle is completely natural, and not geneticly engineered in the Earth Human. If you examine the reproductive organs of the human woman, her hormonal cycles, and her menstrual period you will see that its completely natural, not artificial. All the machinery necessary for going through puberty is present at birth, but the body keeps it switched off for many years. Eventually, the mechanism that prevents puberty winds down, and hormones that previously have been held in check can begin to exert their influence on the body. A part of the brain called the hypothalamus starts to release pulses of hormone, every 90 minutes or so. This stimulates the pituitary gland (also in the brain) to produce luteinising hormone (LH) and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), which in turn cause a girl's ovaries to start producing other hormones. The most important hormones made by the ovaries are known as female sex hormones (sex steroids) and the two main ones are oestrogen and progesterone. The ovaries also produce some of the male hormone, testosterone. During puberty, oestrogen stimulates breast development and causes the vagina, uterus (womb) and Fallopian tubes (that carry eggs to the womb) to mature. It also plays a role in the growth spurt and alters the distribution of fat on a girl's body, typically resulting in more being deposited around the hips, buttocks and thighs. Testosterone helps to promote muscle and bone growth. From puberty onwards, LH, FSH, oestrogen and progesterone all play a vital part in regulating a woman's menstrual cycle, which results in her periods. Each individual hormone follows its own pattern, rising and falling at different points in the cycle but together they produce a predictable chain of events. One egg (out of several hundred thousands in each ovary) becomes 'ripe' (mature) and is released from the ovary to begin its journey down the Fallopian tube and into the womb. If that egg isn't fertilised, the levels of oestrogen and progesterone produced by the ovary begin to fall. Without the supporting action of these hormones, the lining of the womb, which is full of blood, is shed, resulting in a period. So you see that this is natural and occurs also in other female mammals on Earth like several monkeys, dogs, etc. Their menstrual periods have different cycles compared to the Human female. There is another fact that proves the natural occurance of the female menstrual cycle and that the fact that when several women life in the same surroundings their cycles will syncronize, this is caused by the secreted female fermones, which are picked up by other women in those same surroundings and it will cause their cycles to become (virtually) the same, all women will have their ovulation and periods at the roughly the same time. Nature has its reasons for this, one of reasons behind this is survival of the species, and another is that when women have the same cycles they will help and support each other emotionally during those times and they will feel more connected to each other, women are designated by Creation to form and build and support the US-union (WIR-Form), the smallest WIR-form is the martial union. The Human male creates the WIR-form, the Human female builds it. I will post more about Polygamy and Monogamy later on in a seperate post. Greetings to all and be in peace. Jacob | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 69 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Jacob, Actually you're correct in that, that is the natural process of the female menstrual cycle. When I say "not at all" for the Plejaren women, perhaps I should explain myself further here. What I was saying is that given the long life span of a Plejaren woman as apposed to an Earth woman, you should also know that women in general only have a certain number of eggs/ovum in their bodies, so if a Plejaren woman goes through the "once a month" menstrual cycle in the same manner as an Earth human woman, then the Plejaren woman will actually reach menopause already at about age 50, which means she won't be able to conceive for the remainder of her say 800 to 950 years! Unless of course the Plejaren females naturally have 10 times more ovum in their bodies then say Earth human females! Once an Earth human female reaches menopause or say has her ovaries removed, etc, then that woman tends to begin the rapid ageing process. For Plejaren females who don't even marry until say the average age of 150 years, this would bring them far beyond their natural conception age as is the case with Earth human woman. Not to mention, Earth human beings generally begin depletion in human growth hormone beginning when they reach sexual maturity, down by half every 7 years until it stops altogether at around age 80. In China/Tibet, Many Taoist practitioners of Chinese medicine are said to have actually utilized the use of genetically dormant sexual abilities in the body to prolong extended life spans. Meaning, not only does this give their bodies the ability of natural birth control, but utilizing this same process of sexual activity actually releases an unknown hormone that extends the telemetries of all the cells in the body during cell devision. IN men, they found that this can happen when they "properly" learn to INjaculate the sperm up the spine instead of ejaculating it out of the body. Ejaculation therefore is only for the purpose of conception and will actually deplete the bodies life force which they call CHI, which will actually increase the ageing process in succession over a long period of time. INjaculation these taoists say, is a dormant second sexual function when done and re-learned properly, does just the opposite and acts as a natural form of birth control and conceives the cells of the body to longer life. This activity also replenishes the hormones of the bodies seven glands which to them corresponds to 7 major acupressure points on the body, issuing a strong flow of chi. These being: The Pineal gland The Pituitary gland The Thyroid gland The Thymus gland The Pancreas gland The Adrenals gland The Sexual gland For women it's a bit different in that they learn the choice to ovulat at will when they choose to conceive a child, and like Male ejaculation, menstruation can also delete the bodies life force, but unlike men, women can still maintain much of their chi energy during sexual activities. Not to mention the teachings involving immaculate conception, which allows a woman to give birth without the need to conceive with a man, by activating a male latent protein at the base of her spine to act like a sperm, but will only produce a clone child of the mother, which will not be able to later bare children of its own. Furthermore the act of sexual prolongation of life extension is said create an orgasm that last about 10x longer and 10x more pleasurable then say the more common use of just sexual propagation of child conception. Only recently is this kind of information now coming out to the for front by not only the Taoist, but also possibly other aboriginal groups in the west, because of all the distortions and abuse of it found in the beginnings of the Hindu religion by many of the so called false gurus which they call "tantra yoga", etc. Not only have these false gurus distorted this information, but also their wrong teachings of it, has led to extreme serious psychosis in many individuals, if not leading to schizophrenia, which can also happen to people who block this sexual energy for long periods of time with the religious practise of celibacy, in hopes of generating incredible amounts of psychic force. According to these same Taoist, celibacy can also lead to serious health problems as well as mental problems, because it is blocking the chi from full circulation which they call the "micro cosmic orbit" when channelled through to all the cells through all the meridian acupressure points on the body. Gurus from India tend to attribute these meridian points with mandalas and then call these chakras, and so on, but I'll save that topic more for later. Peace in wisdom, James Truthseeker | ||
Phaethonsfire New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2004 |
Dear Thruth seeker, I have several comments to make about your post. In my post, I have explained that each ovary contains several 100,000 of eggs, this is a well proven medical fact, simple calculation will uncover that with these amounts of eggs, the Plejaren and Terran females have more then enough eggs to spend their whole lifetime. Let us formulate, and let us assume that each ovary has 100.000 eggs, making it 200.000 for a woman, Plejaren, or Terran. This is based on assumption, I actually dont know when menopause occurs in Plejaren females. Let us assume that a Plejaren woman menopauses at age 500, at that time she would have used: 500 - 12 = 488 (from age 0 - 12 she is infertile, from 12 on, there is the first period, called menarch) 488 x 12 = 5856 eggs at minimum, that's 2,928% of the assumed 200000 eggs in her ovaries, remember that an Terran female has at least just as much eggs (proven fact) or in a different case: 950 - 12 = 938 fertile years 938 x 12 = 11256 eggs at minimum, that's 5,628% of the assumed 200000 eggs in her ovaries, remember that an Terran female has at least just as much eggs (proven fact) So either the Plejaren and Terran females have more then enough eggs to last a lifetime. The things about "Taoist practitioners of Chinese medicine" are not the truth, and they represent falsified teachings on this Earth. Men can't and wont 'injaculate', and sperm cant certainly not be injaculated near the spine in the male body, it is only build to drive sperm out by a sequence of glands and muscles contracting in a typical fashion. With this sequence, which is called an orgasm, many muscles contract in the male body, in his legs, and belly, etc. this is actually so painfull that the brain releases a huge amount of endorfines, which give the feeling of pleasure, so in fact, you never feel the pain. An orgasm is has a very good function because it relieves the Psyche of lots of stress, and it will even balance the Psyche. The Spiritform is the engine who contracts the fine cosmic electromagnetic life-energy that the body and Psyche need to function (its the fine component and food and liquid symbolize the dense component) The Psyche has two main centers, the brain and the solar plexus, which is located in the chest, there are NO chakra's like Hindu religion wants us to believe. Both hands and feet have their function to, but not as a chakra as explained in the Hindu cultus. This cosmic electromagnetic energy comes in to the brain and flows thru the whole body, through the solar plexus and back again to the brain (where the Spiritform resides), roughly, it would compare to the shape of an magnetic-field, this field is called the Aura and has several 'levels or bands' reaching 10's of meters upto a few milimeters. People who use all 7 senses instead of just the 5 usual senses can actually 'feel' this field around anything alive and considered dead. The seven senses are: seeing, hearing, tasteing, feeling, smell and SENSING (EMPFINDUNG), CONSICIOUSNESS/AWARENESS People who are capable through meditation to gain inner silence are able over time to use the 6th sense to be aware of those fine cosmic electromagnetic lifeforces. Creation makes sure that this cosmic electro magnetic life-energy is always in abundance and its never in short supply or can be drained from anything. The negative thing that can happen with this life-energy is that a person with extreme false believes can concentrate this energy so strongly that it will become ectoplasmatic, it thickens and will cause/ worsen material consiousness illment, it can even cause so called spirit appearances, or objects that move. Unfortunally we live in a day and age that many many people are unbalanced and radiate unbalanced cosmic electromagnetic life energy that it influences us all, in every part of our lives, day or night. These negative forces disturb true meditation and makes it so much harder to learn the path of meditation, except when you are in a piramid, and are capable of true meditation. When a human evolves over millions of year the amount of cosmic electromagnetic energy will intensify and will actually change the structure and vibration of bodymatter itself, until it becomes so fine (this will happen in one last life that lasts several thousands of years) that this human will not die in the usual way, but will 'phase-out' and that his material body will cease to exist. On his homeplanet, because it has changed into fine matter, no NewSpirit (NeuGeistform) will incarnate because there is no fundament for it to start evolution. The spirit-form will then be free from the cycle of incarnation and join the level of Arahat Athersata, the first pure spirit (ICH-WIR)form. I hope this clearify things. Saloome. Jacob | ||
Anonymous Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 09-2003 |
Hello Jacob That's a very interesting message you've posted -detailed and informative. Can I ask how is it that you have such knowledge? Saalome JEC | ||
Phaethonsfire Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hello JEC, This is what I have learned from the Geisteslehre (I am restarting my study this year), what I thought of myself and what I have learned by searching over the years. Saalome, Jacob (Message edited by jacob on April 12, 2009) | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 463 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hello Jacob, You mentioned the hands and feet have their function. I'm aware of the many nerves throughout the body which can be accessed through the foot (reflexology). What role do the hands play? Thanks Salome Scott | ||
Anonymous Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 09-2003 |
Phaethon You said in one of your posts above regarding homosexuality: "The Homosexuality (explained in the Talmud and OM) that IS an abomination and a crime against nature is the perverse desire for males to be able to conceive AND bear children, this would be only possible by means of genetic manipulation..." You have made no mention of the sexual activity that goes on between two men when seeking merely to sexually gratify each other. I accept and consider homosexuality as a natural-unnatural sexual variation. But I don't see that sexual activity between two men, even for gratification sake, is natural. I refer here to sodomy and felatio. This to me is a transgression against Nature. I really can't see how anyone can reason otherwise. What do you say about this? And thanks for your email address. You strike me as a very knowledgable person. Regards JEC | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi JEC, FIGU has a brief pamphlet about the subject of homosexuality that discusses your question. Homosexuality - What is its Cause? http://shop.figu.org/product_info.php?cPath=51_54&products_id=186 | ||
Phaethonsfire Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 01-2004 |
I was reffering to the homosexuality as in genetic enginering of men in order to concieve offspring by male/male seeding. This is an abomination against Creation, because knowingly and willing there is an attempt to concieve new life against the laws, and manipulate sperm in such a way to cause new life. Sperm is never created to unify with other sperm and to divide into new life, only eggs are. Eggs can be triggered to start new life, but this would be a female in 100% of all cases. An egg has the structure for it, sperm doesnt. With my knowledge, both nuclei of spermcells should be removed and put in a host cell (stemcell or Eggcell / with the original nucleus removed) and be triggered by means of electrical pulses to start meiosis (celldivision) in order to become an embryo. Physical (in fact not sexual, since sex is a procreation act and is only for male/female couples or in rare occasions for female/female couples) gratification by means of manual or oral stimulation (fellatio) is not sexual, just an act of satisfying a physical urgue. Those urgues are induced by defective genetic makeup, and/or pre-mature incarnation. Fellatio = oral pleasure performed on a man by a woman or a man. Sodomy = intercourse with animals and is an complete and total abomination caused by major damage in psyche and brain. Physical pleasure is natural-unnatural in gay men because its given by their nature to do so, they didnt choose this, they are that way. So this isnt a transgression agianst nature because they are not having actual sex, just mutual physical pleasure and satisfaction. Truely homosexual men have perverse thoughts and feelings because they are willingly and knowingly altering their body in order to concieve children. This may sound futuristic, but i will tell you that the gen-technology and chirgury are advancing rapidly to perform such modifications in people. I hope this clears things up. Saloome, Jacob | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Jacob, Thanks for all that good information, but your explanations do bring up some new questions. Although it maybe that "Taoist practitioners of Chinese medicine" may not relate to the truth, along with representing yet more falsified teachings, I do seem to recall scientific investigations relating to proven out comes. Such as; Men being able to obtain longer orgasms or even multi orgasm with out going through the process of ejaculation, by not feeling mentally exhausted afterwords and by learning to mentally control that part of the body, and women who've achieved halting their menstrual cycles for extended long periods of time. So for these reasons, I can't dismiss the taoist arts just yet, at least not until I get more information. Also let's not forget other things such as acupuncture and acupressure which only now is beginning to be recognized by western medicine. These teachings whether wrong or not, maybe some form of martial arts, which even Billy may or may not be aware of, even if this is altering the natural order of things in the human body. One of these days I intend on asking Billy about it along with a few other things such as; Do Plerjaren women go through menopause and at what age?, and if their woman go though this process, do they also experience a body change such as weight gain, depletion of calcium, etc? If what you say concerning the number of eggs is true, then one can also assume that Earth human women are actually reaching Menopause long before the eggs deplete from their bodies. Finally, I have read somewhere that the Plejarens told Billy that they do have natural methods of birth control instead of using things like the pill and other known substances. It was when I read this that the Tao practises came to mind. Give me a few days to look it up and I'll post that information up here for you and everyone else to read. Peace in wisdom, James Truthseeker | ||
Phaethonsfire Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 01-2004 |
Dear Scott, First of all, sorry for the delay of my reaction to your question. The human hands are the most advanced hands found anywhere on this planet, no other lifeform has hands like the human with the same diversity of capabilities. The hands have a physical and psychological function. The physical function is of course using them in a daily manner to handle tools, equipment, to eat, etc, On a more delicate level they are used for communication by means of sign language, or on a more intimate way in to massaging touching of a loved one or friend, there are many more functions, but to mention them all would be beyond the scope of this answer. The psychological function is that hands are in fact antenna, which can receive AND transmit fine electromagnetic energy that is controlled by the Psyche and material subconscious (and when the material consciousness is developed high enough, the material consciousness can control it too) The hands have the function of an antenna because they are designed to detect fine fluidic energy that resides in every material object, no matter if is its dense like stone or thin like air, although dense objects and especially crystals/minerals concentrate fluidic energy a lot stronger. The hands detect these impulses all the time, and those impulses are received by the material unconscious, yet most of the time the material conscious is so loud and chaotic with (random) thought and feelings that these impulses aren’t noticed, or interpreted as internal feelings, thoughts (imagination) or sensations. Every person's aura has its unique frequency-pattern that will stay behind in material objects, which are often in, close proximity or in (physical) contact with the person, like clothes, jewelry, everything imaginable in your house or car, etc. It leaves a 'footprint' of the person behind which can be detected by another person with the required material-conscious and Psyche related skills. The Solar Plexus is the center that could be described as a big antenna, which receives the overall impressions/vibrations of a person, and his surroundings, which are interpreted by the material consciousness as feelings of sympathy or antipathy. The hands have the function as fine-antenna to tune into certain objects or to detect irregularities in the makeup of another’s person’s body or psyche. Every ailment, physical or psychological leaves its imprint in the psyche and/or body by means of excessive negative or positive fine-electromagnetic energy, or erratic vibrations that disturb the whole balance of the Psyche and Body. To clarify: When a mechanical device which requires oil to run smoothly suddenly or over time runs out of oil, then its function will become erratic, the intake of fuel and outlet of processed materials will be unpredictable. Parts will grind over each other and cause strong vibrations which overtime destroy the device or make it come to a grinding halt. This same principle roughly applies the human body and psyche. The hands, the fingers and especially the fingertips are very sensitive, the fingertips are usually the most sensitive to detect minute and locate variations in a fine-electromagnetic field. The hands are also transmitters, since they are antenna, and have both functions of receiving and sending, the material consciousness can regulate (through the material unconsciousness and Psyche) the amount and strength of fine-electromagnetical energy that can be send through the hands into another object or person. People who are able to do this can use fine-electromagnetical energy to feel psychological/physical ailment in other people, and they can treat it or sometimes cure those ailments by using this fine-electromagnetical energy to stabilize the disharmony and disruption in ill people. A big footnote placed on this is that the receiver, the patient has to change his or hers way of thinking and feeling in a natural-logical way to help to speed up the healing process. True 'healers' with the required knowledge and capabilities CAN heal people from ailments, but to heal (except in rare cases) a ill person completely and is against the Laws of Evolution, since the Earth human because of his low spiritual evolution will lose interest in spiritual evolution when his body and psyche are free from ailment. Most people with serious ailments and disabilities (like spinal cord injury) are (understandably) interested in a way to heal their disability, since it’s not yet possible by means of churgury and nerve tissue regeneration. This interest of those people and by far most people with all kinds of life threatening illnesses is egotistical and mostly only focused on treating their OWN body, but as soon as they would be healed they would ignore Spiritual evolution because they prefer (like virtually all Earth humans) to live in a life of luxury and material wealth. So the best thing a true healer will ever do is to point out to every person (with or without ailment) to continue and pursue their spiritual development, which enables people over time to be able to heal themselves AND to continue spiritual evolution. A true healer will aid in helping a person to relieve him/her from excessive pain and suffering since excessive pain and suffering hinder the material conscious to think clearly and for the Psyche to be in a harmonic and stable state, this in conjunction with guidance towards the Natural laws, truth and knowledge. Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!, Jacob | ||
Phaethonsfire Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 01-2004 |
Dear Truthseeker, Before I will answer your questions about the male orgasm, I will clarify the facts about women's ovaries. Also I want to say that I speak freely about any topic, including sexual ones, but as best to my abilities in a neutral fashion. The female reproductive system is just like every other reproductive system equipped by a redundancy system, which enables the female body to recover from ailments and malfunction in order to be able to reproduce. The female body has a pair of ovaries to make sure if one fails or get removed the other can go on and make sure that the woman stays fertile. The human however is a lifeform which lifespan will increase over millions of years of evolution in to thousands of years so the fertile period will be extended also, which will cause an increase of required egg cells. The huge amount of Egg cells ensure that even when many egg cells get wasted or destroyed by illness that there will be plenty left to ripen and to be fertilized. You can see this example in nature, we will use an Oak tree. This tree will produce large amounts of seeds in order to reproduce itself, many more then is needed for the survival of the pieces, many seeds will fall on barren ground and decompose and turn into food for bacteria and other microscopic life, many will be eaten by animals, many will never grow, and a few who remain will grow to be a new tree. This is the Law of Redundancy (which is totally abused by Earth humans since we produce way over any Natural level) The laws are clear in this, Nature always makes sure that structures like the brain or other body parts are equipped with redundant systems, to ensure at least minimal functionality. The brain has a limited 'rerouting' capability to restore normal function by rerouting neural pathways over other neurons, because of the sheer vast number of neurons this is possible. Law of redundancy: 1. Quantum based systems (sheer amount of cells to take over) 2. Pairs formed systems (like the lungs, you can live with one) 3. Dormant systems(there are multiple systems that lay dormant and become active when needed, like a certain redundant system in the heart that enables the heart in some cases to beat on his own with 20 beats per minute, on its own!) I should have been clearer in my previous post, but the male orgasm and ejaculation are two phenomena, which usually occur on the same time and are connected, but can occur separately. First of all we need to analyze the human male to some extend in order to understand this. The human male is currently very often more egotistical then his female counterpart, the woman, his attentions are mostly focused on pleasuring himself and not caring about his wife or girlfriend. Its often like "wham bam thank you ma'am" he rolls of her and falls asleep. Men can with some changing in thinking and feeling train themselves to prolong the time to reach an orgasm, and when he concentrates and experiences true love and deep feelings for his lady then his orgasm can be much more intense and last longer for a few minutes, but current men are mostly physical and they want to orgasm, nothing else, often there is no love or even a good feeling for his partner. By far most men are capable of ejaculate 2-3 times after which the sperm is depleted from his testicles (which takes a few days to regenerate fully), but it doesn’t stop him from having more orgasms, because an orgasm is actually in the material consciousness and the psyche when there is the physical and psychological stimulation present (like fellatio or masturbation) to reach an orgasm. Ejaculation can be invoked by means of stimulation without an orgasm, a woman can enter the man anally with her finger and actually massage the prostate (which is called milking the prostate), this will cause the prostate to contract and to produce a huge amount of semen fluid which triggers an ejaculation. Men can have multiple orgasms but they have to learn and train their feelings for it, because its often the male on this Earth who lacks the emotional finesse to reach mutual sexual pleasure with his wife. I ASSUME that Plejaren humans consider natural methods like: 1. Abstinence (hardly imaginable in this oversexed world) 2. Sex with no penetration 3. Sex during infertile days (I think Plejarens are very capable of exactly determining those days compared to Earth humans, and are much more accurate in determining the times to have sex without concieving offspring) According to the Natural Laws, after 21 days the Embryo is taken by a Spiritform, but until that time, its just inpulselife that can be terminated by means of natural substances, which trigger menstruation. In fact many women have 'miscarriages' this way, they where in fact pregnant, but the fertilized egg died early on or was rejected. I hope this helps. Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!, Jacob | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Jacob, It's good to see that you don't have sexual inhibitions in any discussions which are usually the result of religions, etc. Your information does help, and I've thought of these things myself, but for some reason I just feel there is something more. Right now our conversations are based on some speculations, but for me that just isn't good enough until I somehow know for sure. Perhaps I will always remain as the persistent truth-seeker in some of these matters. Also I did read about the "massaging the of prostate" just as you mention, in some of these Taoist books some time ago already as part of their techniques. I also must ask where you heard that bit about the hands and finger tips as having the function as fine-antenna? The reason why I ask this is because I read this before, but not from Billy Meier's information, but rather from another UFO contact case going back to the 1960s. That Contact case became known as the "UMMO affair", which Billy later confirms to be a hoax. I myself was under the impression that such a hoax was perpetuated in collaboration of various secret service groups from different European countries, but if your information is from Billy, now I'm not so sure. Peace in knowing, James Truthseeker | ||
Phaethonsfire Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2004 |
Dear Truthseeker, I think its excellent that you keep on seeking the Truth and you should always keep on doing that. I want to make clear that the main reason that I post my thoughts and knowledge is that I want other people to THINK, to be curious constantly for the Truth. I dont claim I have the Truth, I am just a seeker and finder of the Truth, a student like everybody else. I will make mistakes, I will say things that are not correct, that will be so. When I say that the hands are antenna is that they are just that, and no chakra's, the hands are like the feet extrements of the body and most of the time in direct contact with their surroundings. I have my information from the book "Die Psyche" and from the book "einfuhrung in die meditation". For example in the book "Die Psyche" Billy talks about the need for people to walk more on bare feet since this massages the the nerve-endings in the feet, which ease a lot of trouble in the body and Psyche. In his meditation book its described that the indexfinger and the thumb cant touch eachother during the "lotus-meditation" position during meditation because when they DO touch each other it causes a desturbance in the fine-electromagnetic energyfield. The hands are most fit to receive and send energy because the material consiscousness can control the hands the best, no other bodypart can be so manoeverable as the hands. Saalome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Phaethonsfire Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hello everybody, One of my reasons why I posted in the forum "Plejaren women bi-sexual" is out of personal grounds. I have been married to an American bi-sexual woman for a year when I found out that she had an affair with a lesbian woman, causing great havoc in my married life, and causing the marriage to break. I have sought for answers for a long time, wondering if she was in her natural rights and I have finally found it in the book OM (Omefalon Murrado); I own the first edition of 1988. This is what OM says about Lesbian women: Kanon 24; vers 143; page 69 143: Es ist gegeben aber die fuhrung, dass da ein weib sei zweigeschlechtlich in der liebe der beischlafes, so also nicht ein weib sei, das nur bemuhung und beziehung halte zu weibern allein und dabei missachte den mann als naturliche partner, so dem aber doch so ist, soll die massnahme sein lebenszeitlicher massnahmeerfullungsort. Translation: "The directive is given that the woman is bisexual in the realm of sexual love, but no woman should only have relations and interest in women alone and deny the man as her natural partner, if thats the case anyway, the measure will be lifelong banishment." The OM is clear that also lesbian woman are acting against the laws of Creation. Also Kanon 24; vers 155; page 70 155: ".Und fehlbarkeit ist also alls......unerlaubter beischlaf mit bundnisfremden partnern...." This is just a part of that vers. It means that its against the laws to have sex for both men and women with people outside the maritial bond So even when women are bisexual by Nature, their bisexuality should only occur in the maritial bond with other women in that same bond, in recognition of the male as their natural partner. I have finally found answer for this. Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 466 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hello Jacob, How true it is that trials and tribulations force us onward towards the search for answers. I have found this to be the case in my life over and over. I'm glad you found the answer to your very agonizing situation. Salome Scott | ||
Jplagasse Member Post Number: 309 Registered: 09-2000 |
Hi Jacob, Is there anything else you can share, or can you elaborate on the characteristics of "fine-electromagnetical energy" ?? For example, is this type of energy detectable and/or measureable, using any form of technology gadgets we have today? And/or... how can one "attune" or "develope" one-self, to feel and/or work with this type of energy? Any information or thoughts whatsoever, on or around this topic would be much appreciated. Thanks, JP | ||
Phaethonsfire Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 01-2004 |
Hello JP, I will try to answer your questions as good as i can. Your question: "Is there anything else you can share, or can you elaborate on the characteristics of "fine-electromagnetical energy" ?? For example, is this type of energy detectable and/or measureable, using any form of technology gadgets we have today? " My answer: The fine-electromagnetical energy has many functions as carrier-medium for primary-telepathy and telenosis (hypnosis induced by means of primary telepathy), its also the the carrier-medium for feelings like sympathy and antipathy. In fact this fine-electromagnetical energy comes from the cosmic-electromagnetical energy, and is absolutely neutral, its however the Psyche and the material-consicousnessforms which can change its polarity, intensity, modulation, frequency and amplitude so it can be used by a very wide range of things. In short the cosmic-electromagnetical life-energy is absolutely neutral, its the human in the material realm who changes it on an consicous and/or unconsicous level, because of this fact people need to be very aware about the power of their thinking, it reaches far beyond the material consicousness can grasp. Your question: For example, is this type of energy detectable and/or measureable, using any form of technology gadgets we have today? My Answer: Yes, absolutely, this form of energy is detectable and/or measurable by means of Kirlian photography, the real one and not the circus version, also Nikolai Tesla developed many devices that worked with this kind of energy. I have to remark that Kirlian photography only detects the 'lowest' level of this energy, which radiates usually in a vibrant blue light, the higher frequencies are not detected by this technology. Some information to be found: http://www.kirlian.org/kirlian.htm Additional information about Tesla: http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/tesla/tesla.html Your question: And/or... how can one "attune" or "develope" one-self, to feel and/or work with this type of energy? My Answer: This can be done by learning meditation and acquire "inner peace", that means that you need to clear your mind of all thought, and all random thoughts. When you reach this state, you will be able to learn how to tune into this type of energy. I will explain more about this: If your material consicousnees and psyche resemble an stormy lake in the middle of fall, and the waters are constantly moving and stirring and clouding with sand and rubble, then you will realize that you will never see what is on the bottom of that lake, you wont see what moves and lives there. First if the water in a lake is quiet and at peace and the rubble is slowly falling down then you will see what is on the bottom and what lives there, but to get that water calm down, you need time and effort to ensure it wont stirr up again. You cant listen and hear finest music in a noisy enviroment, you need to reduce or eliminate the noise first. 1. First you need inner peace to be able to detect it. 2. When you are able to detect it, you need to learn its charakteristics before you can control it. 3. When you know its charakteristics, you will be able to control it step by step, first in basics, later on in a more detailed level. I really recommend you read Billy's book "Einfuhrung in die Meditation". I hope this clearifies things. Saloome, Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Anonymous Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 09-2003 |
Hello Phaethon You said that its against the laws for either men or women to have sex with people outside the marital bond. My partner and I are not married, and as it can be expected, we have sex with each other. Now I can understand why certain relationships are against the natural laws, but I can't understand why the physical bond between a man and a woman should be considered as such also. Marriage is not a natural law. It is a condition encouraged by humans. Relationship, on the other hand, is a natural law. To say then that it is against the laws to have sex with someone outside the marital bond seems to me to be dogmatic. For if the contract in your heart is not signed and the contract given to you by the registry is signed, of what value is the marriage to which you have vowed to be loyal? You can't divide your loyalties without dividing your trust. And if your trust is not complete, how can you say that your love is complete? Surely it is better to be whole outside marriage than it is to be incomplete inside marriage? Of course, I speak of marriage as we have made of it in our westerm society. The reason for its decline, I believe, has something to do with people, especially women, needing to discover themselves (although men need to do this also). Marriage doesn't really allow for this to happen - at least our attitude to marriage doesn't allow it. I understand, however, that true marriage is good and right for those of us who wish to have an intimate relationship, and that it can discipline our minds. But as someone who often likes to be alone to think and write, marriage would not suit me at all. What's more, as much as I love my partner, I have found that it is extremely difficult for me to tolerate another human being in close proximity to myself on a daily basis. For this reason, we do not live together. I fear we may kill each other if we should. But we are in a relationship, and as humans we like to have sex with each other when we choose to meet. I don't see that there is anything wrong in that, so long as we respect each other. I suppose there is no law that says how marriage should be. In which case, getting married should not affect how we are now with each other. But my partner is Italian, and I am Maltese, and though we consciously defy tradition, our psyche is still affected by it due to our upbringing. So marriage would not bode well for us, because with it comes the allusion to tradition, to dependence, to sacrifice. That's what comes from being born Roman Catholic. It screws your thinking. In our world, marriage is an unnatural situation in which to find ourselves. It is a troubled situation. Perhaps one day, in the future, it will be different. JEC | ||
Phaethonsfire Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 01-2004 |
I am sorry, JEC but you missunderstood my words, and for clarity sake I will elaborate: Its against the laws for a married couple to have sex outside the bond of marriage and without true love with other women and men NOT included in that bond. (I am stating men also, because its very common for people these days to have all kinds of sexual interactions) The relationship you are in with you partner is perfectly legal and compliant to the natural-creative laws. People who love each other are allowed after they have become adults (18) to have sex with each other. However the maritial bond / love is a Natural Creative Law, its the unity between the man and his wive(s), but I have to say that marriage on this planet has lost its true meaning long ago. Cult-religion has corrupted the mind of women of being jealous and angry towards men when it comes to a man's natural right for polygamy, a right only given to men and not to women, because a man can inseminate/impregnate multiple women, but a woman can be impregnated by one man only. On the other side, men on this planet are way too oversexed and egotistical for polygamy since they would only think of the sexual pleasure, and not about the duties and responsibilities that are in a polygamic union. Its clear again...in the Natural Creative Law that eventhough women can be bisexual, its against the law of a women to have sex with other women OUTSIDE the maritial bond and WITHOUT agreement from her husband. JEC, you and your partner are totally free not to marry and you are truly following the natural-creative laws in this. I want to state a remark that I am very hesitant of ever marrying again because the ease of which a marriage is broken in these times. So I would end up most likely first in a longterm relationship with a woman before i would marry her, but I am human, and nothing more is changeable then a human. Jacob Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! | ||
Tyrone New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi all, Just curious, I just noticed on the contacts page, the last contacts were on Feb. 3 2004 with Semjase and Asket. It was my understanding that due to her injury, Semjase would not be able to contact or communicate with "us" for some time. Have somethings changed? Any ideas? Thanks, TJ | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 01-2004 |
does anybody know if the plejarans listen or play usic, and does it differ from anything on earth? | ||
Jay Member Post Number: 298 Registered: 01-2002 |
Peter, The Plejarens have music which differs very much from ours, the music which they play is mostly for meditation purposes and not so much for entertainment. Men in the Plejares do not participate in dance from my understanding of this and that is because it seems to bring out female tendencies when they perform dance with Plejaren women. These are just my thoughts in a nutshell, there is more information on this in the CONTACT NOTES. Saalome and BE WELL to ALL 
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Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 01-2004 |
jay which contact note? hmmm, that sounds odd. well, to each it's own. but "female tendencies" sounds like a strange cop-out. well, i dont remeber who said this... either immanuel or billy, but it was said something like "it's time that the man balance his masculine with feminine and so to for the woman" so when a plejaran says he dont wanna dance because of "female tendencies" then that's just ignorant.Tendencies,as i understand them... do begin from failure to properly adress and handle a situation. then again, i'm a young spirit most likely and have much to learn, so me being wron gis no out of the question, but still, a man who can travel through space and build things we have only dreamed; yet refuses to dance with a woman from FEAR of a certain tendency.... it makes you wonder a lot of things about our space family | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi peter in the book "and still they fly" (which i very recently bought) it is said that music is a characteristic of all human races and that plejaren music is so harmonious that it would be so enrapturing that we would not be able to withstand it very long, but at the same time we would become addicted to it (to the state it would produce) that must be a musical orgasm!!!  and it is said too that three musical pieces from earth : Bolero by Ravel, the Valkyrie ride by Wagner, and Nabucco by Verdi are somehow similar to their music but that they use completely different instruments | ||
Mhurley Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hi Memo Thing is , isn't musical tastes personal? There are many varieties of music on earth, a fan of each would describe their particular brand of music as heavenly. I'm not sure what they mean by "so harmonious" Matt | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi matt it is true that each person has his own tastes so there must be many kinds of music on ERRA, but remember too, that that in a very general way, the more evolved you are, the less violent or repetitive the music or anyhting else, will be instead of that, it will be more creative, more original and more mysterious . . . i think that when it is said that something is very harmonious its something similar to things you can see here on earth or anywhere, for example: i don´t know anybody who hates a dusk or a starry sky i don´t know anybody who feels sick while seeing the photo of a galaxy or while listening to the sound of a waterfall why???? . . . there are things that relate so deep it is a connection from what you are and what you experience that make you feel full of joy i don´t know anybody who hates an orgasm there are people afraid of sex but thats very different. . . for me harmony (in music or anyother form of expression), is a very deep connection, it has something to do with the way your body and your conciousness are, it has a lot do with the laws of creation so true harmony is not changing but at the same time it is always new and always mysterious . . . well thats what i think, what do other people think, i would like to listen very much . . . | ||
Jukdo Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hello, I noticed in the 251st contact notes concerning prophecys and predictions. There was mention that Earth would one day have complete authority placed into the hands of an administrative sphere within the Sirius alliance. I also read that the Pleiadians, Lyrians, Vegans, DALs,avoid contact with the sirians. Does this mean that if we are with the Sirius alliance we would be cut off from the Pleiadians, Lyrians, Vegans, DALs,? Todd- "The more I learn the more I understand that I know nothing," | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 03-2004 |
maybe but that is not going to happen until many centuries or even thousands of years in the future when we reverse our genetic alterations, when we will travel across the universe and across time, when we will discover our true history and relationship with Sirius ETS etc anyway, they are not the only ET civilizations, so we can be in contact with many other highly advanced intelligencies | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 01-2004 |
more about music... memo00, i agree with your view on "for me harmony (in music or anyother form of expression), is a very deep connection, it has something to do with the way your body and your conciousness are, it has a lot do with the laws of creation so true harmony is not changing but at the same time it is always new and always mysterious " i dont know how it is with other people but when i listen to music i listen to it three ways... 1. i listen to the guitars 2. i listen to the music but i dont define it as anything other than creation. 3. i listen to it like anybody listens to a song (for the lyrics, sing along, etc.) when i listen to music the 2nd way,tha's when the amazing stuff happens. you talk about orgasm of the mind, we dont need plejaran music to reach that point. it is not about what you listen to rather than how you listen to it. i aint one to cry (and if i do it's rare) but when i listen to these songs inthat certain way, i have trouble breathing normaly. but at the same time everything is beautiful. also, who listens to music that is sung in a language you dont understand? i recomend it. doing so alows one to hear music in a unique way, because you are not concentrating on the lyrics (just something to think about, take that bit and put it in any situation in life). | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi peter i too like to listen music in other languages but what i like more is instrumental music cause i feel that is more connected with true harmony and with nature cause its not about superficial things like most songs , i too think that we do not need plejaran music too experience a "musical orgasm" (anyway its supposed that many artists are influenced by the telepathic impulses of the plejarans) . . . there are many ways to listen to music, and i think it can be helpful for many things, for example to deepen your concentration so that you can become aware of many things, for example when "you are sleeping" in other words one of the many ways i like to listen to music, is : - while in bed i put some kind of instrumental music, you can use anything but it is better if it sounds mysterious and if its has in the back a repetitive sound (for example with drums that sound like a hearbeat and/or with synthetizers with a large mysterious sound)cause it puts you in a trance like state (you are completely aware, but your perception changes, and if you deepen your concentration, you can feel how the chemistry of your body changes, and how you are passing from being awake to being asleep) (music that in a natural way puts you in this kind of state is for example some dub music, some kinds of electronic music, and some kind of new age music (most new age sucks but not all) . . . trough the years and meeting many kinds of people i have noticed that the kind of music that they like to listen, is directly related with their level of evolution violent people listen to violent music, superficial people listen to superficial music, well balanced people listen to harmonious music, and the higher the intelligence and the awareness of the person the closer to a "musical orgasm" they are and the same can be said about any other form of expression ignorant people love violence and superficial relationships disguised as "love" the more intelligent the person the more he/she likes things that are mysterious, creative, etc | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Judko Re: your July 1st post Plejaran only have genuine contact (meaning "bi-directional" meaningful contact) with highly evolved individual. Even now. They are not coming into contact with anyone else. I reread the section of contact notes 251, it states that they (Plejarans) will come into contact with the Sirius intelligence when the genetic damage of earth humans are reversed at the earliest. Perhaps earth people spiritual evolution and the restoration of their genetic alteration is very important if not critical in the relation between the 2 main Enoch lineages. Thus the interest in the Plejarans with us earthling. Looks like all of this is part of a much broader plan... Just some personal thoughts that i wanted to share with the board. Peace Eric | ||
Jukdo Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 05-2004 |
Do the Plejaren celebrate holidays that signify a historic event or in memory of someone? Does anyone know if they hold ceremonies for funeral’s or union’s of marriage? Todd- "The more I learn the more I understand that I know nothing," | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi todd its supposed that plejarans bury in the ground their dead just like we do, or they cremate or eliminate the body, depending on the individual wishes acording to Billy (in the questions section): The Plejarans don't celebrate their birthday, with the exception of their 1,000st (but surely not by singing anything like "happy birthday to you ..."). I DON´T KNOW if they celebrate historical events, but i think that they dont have to, since their world and their daily life is like heaven just another day of living is enough reason to celebrate. . . and the more advanced is one´s consciousness, the less one thinks about the past, etc so I THINK that instead of making ceremonies its something more possible that they simply enjoy the peace and harmony they have achieved and of course they work to protect their world so that they can continue their evolution in a peaceful and harmonious way maybe they have some kind of ceremony for marriage, but they may be different from ours since religions do not exist in their world and because they only use clothes that are comfortable and don´t care about fashion, and about other superficial things | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 05-2004 |
Memo00 I’m not going to agree with you when you say that the measures the Plejarans take against adultery is logical. From my understanding, exiling someone for committing adultery is extreme to say the least. And to be quite frank, you should agree with me on that due to your own evolution. After all, who on this planet has the understanding of love that the Plejarans have? It is for this reason that such measures are taken. From their perspective, adultery is a complete violation of creational love, which is why they must be tested before a bond of marriage is permitted, lest they make a mockery of love, as we do. We don’t necessarily sense the violation as strongly when we commit adultery. I’m not going to pretend to have an understanding of their knowledge and experience of love and say that the measures they take against adultery is logical, because although it is, it isn’t something that I can appreciate. My sensibility convinces me that this is extreme, and should not be applied to our culture or allowed to have some influence over our thinking. I think this is where we have frequently gone wrong in the past: we had adapted to customs that were essentially of a finer sensibility than our own, and because of this we eventually found ourselves breaking away from them. I think this is one of the reasons why our social structure is now crumbling. It seems to me that many of us here are in awe of the Plejarans and their way of life, and I don’t think we should be. I think we should appreciate our own level of evolution, and adapt ourselves to the world according to it, growing and evolving in this way. Although I don’t agree with adultery, neither do I agree that someone who commits such an act should be exiled, imprisoned, stoned to death, burnt at the stake, or tortured. It suits our culture, currently, to tolerate other people’s mistakes and not be so personally offended by them. Our sensibility is not so fine that we should take high stand on the matter. Were we to do this, as we have done in the past, we would lose all sense of tolerance, and will never learn to live in peace. I will tell you honestly that there is no such thing as proper rules. Cultures have their own customs and practices according to their own beliefs and sensibility. The rules we apply to modern society we could not apply to the western world as it was one hundred years ago. Although the laws of Creation will always be the same, the directives of Creation will always be according to a people’s sensibility. Who are we, because our sensibility is finer than our ancestors’ were, to say that the rules we have are proper and that the rules they had then weren’t? Who are the Plejarans to say that the rules they have are proper and that the rules we have now aren’t? Of course, everything is out of whack, and so it’s clear we need telling – a good kick up the arse even. But the rules the Plejarans have are proper for them. They are not necessarily proper for us. So again I would disagree with you, from the perspective of human being of this Earth, I would say it would be illogical to follow them. | ||
Dplotmach Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 09-2004 |
The form of government on Erra and "the united federation of planets", as it is called in Star Trek, is a ultra-facistic state, in the sense that the "priests" and the so-called highly evolved beings, controls every aspect of life. Its a total brainwash everything they represent to the unknowing kids and youngsters. They have no opportunity to change anything about laws and behaviour, they are bound from their birth, and the closest thing they can practice freedom of speech is to discuss with the spiritual leaders. Which will do anything in theire power to transform natures most obvious crature of freedom and love. The kids just have to adapt to the laws and to work for their unnatural "spiritual evolution". The traces of this can even be found in the kings and queens of wisdom. They always hold themselves to what Erras science has found true, and barely investigate what other races that has reached space-travel has done here on earth, and have experienced. They have no real sense for trust in beings that has not yet bound themselves to a life in spiritual slavery. According to Billy anarchism is an evil thing, a plague, the only theory that actually represents true freedom in every aspect of life. Freedom does not seem to be the goal of spiritual evolution. Why the hell do we trust these people?? | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 01-2004 |
"Freedom does not seem to be the goal of spiritual evolution" think about what you are saying. the goal of spiritual evolution is just that, to evolve spiritualy, to evolve your spirit. i am evolving spiritually and i'm free as a bird. maybe you are a prisoner of your own patterns of thought, free from logical conclusions and facts. Maybe you should speak for yourself, that would be logical. who has claimed they trust the plejarens? because one studies there philosophies or teachings that makes them "believers" or blind sheep? also, from the things you have said in your post, i get the impression that you think you know the habits and daily motions of life on erra based on... nothing? your assumption? "The traces of this can even be found in the kings and queens of wisdom. They always hold themselves to what Erras science has found true, and barely investigate what other races that has reached space-travel has done here on earth, and have experienc" is that not a fine example of freedom? to choose whether you want to explore all methods and steps that others tried, or to trust in yourself and what you have discovered. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 173 Registered: 06-2000 |
I have a comment about "Diplomat's" commentary . Not to incite an argument . It's a little like saying that ants feel very small and have no option to live larger lives . It's only obvious that whatever is the norm on Erra , that it is compeletly natural for them . And here you are on Earth and very unhappy about the way that they do things , or at least the way that you perceive that they do things . Things always look differently , when you can see them . MC Mark Campbell | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi D..., Good topic you started here. IMO people do need to be clear about and understand why they think and feel about freedom as they do. The following is all IMHO. Anarchy may be total freedom, but is total freedom the best thing, or way? Total freedom, or anarchy, on the roads for example would result in absolute chaos and uptight people shouting, or worse, at each other all day long. We have laws -- and they are not all for the best and continually need looking at to see if they are for the best, necessary, or unneccesary instigating changes when necessary -- because basically we have discovered things work better with them. These laws subtract from our freedoms but add to the peaceful or harmonic condition of our lives. Freedom is often left behind for better things. What man or woman does not lose some freedom in marriage or commitment to another? Yet people do so because they honestly feel it is better. Often only those that have travelled the particular road of lost freedom can agree with them. This has also been termed the search for the Grail --from the psychological aspect -- as it applies to the male species. The male only ever finding fulfilment when he finally realizes it better to totally surrender self/freedom for a higher goal outside or beyond self. I put it to you that actually none of us are totally free; we are actually bound to Creator and to return one day. We may have a lot of freedom about when and how the return will be, but we are a part of Creation/Creator and as such can never be totally free from It. We are extensions of Creator born to experience and explore freedom, but it will never be absolute, just as there is no absolute perfection. We will only submit to a kind of enlightened dictatorship (to imperfectly paraphrase your words, sorry) when we really feel that that is best for us and our interests. Until we feel/think/understand the same we will remain separate, living within what we imagine to be our freedom; but will it be more free from suffering, illusion, and vice than others -- like those of Erra? Before making the laws of our country how much did we first study the laws of all other countries on this planet? Did we study them before making our own laws to ensure ours are the best? Should we renounce our own until we have completed a thorough examination of all the relevant laws in all other countries? It might be a very good idea, actually, to study all the laws in other countries but in practice it is usually impractical. Under the circumstances everyone does the best they can; we, the Errans, and other worlds. None are perfect and none can know everything. So systems evolve, and as they do not all agree until all come to a common opinion regarding what is better or best for all. If you disagreed with your galactic system you could probably always take off -- maybe some do -- to somewhere more agreeable with one's own ideas, or philosophy, on the best way of living. Anarchy might work reasonably well in a sparsely populated jungle, but in any civilization it will spell its inevitable demise, for there would be no law, order, community, culture or development, because all of these have impact, and certain demands (lack of freedom) on others. "Freedom does not seem to be the goal of spiritual evolution." This is a perceptive insight IMO. As one progresses IMO one expresses less freedom and more the ways of Creator/Creation, for it is that which would bring the greatest of all good things. The goal of spiritual evolution is the return to Creator/Creation. Freedom is one of the goals of being born in the realm of energy, space, time, and matter. It is part of the dichotomy of human existence that we yearn both freedom/individuality and union with Creation/Creator. As long as we are born within the body they will both be there. We grow and develop in the way we balance these in our lives, cultures and civilizations. In anarchy freedom will be very strong, but union with Creator/Creation will be almost impossible to express when associating with others in a society, culture or civilization (motorists screaming at oneanother etc). Perhaps this is why Billy said anarchy is an evil thing. How free is Billy? How committed to the mission is he? Commitment voluntarily resigns freedom for what is perceived to be a better/higher good. But it is entered into voluntarily. So too will a universal galactic system be so entered into. And only when we are ready. Perhaps Billy is trying to help prepare us to be ready. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi dplot i hope you are doing fine 1- there is an enormous difference between a fascist state and the form of goverment of our ET friends, in Erra nobody kills anybody, in Erra nobody dies of starvation, the people in charge ("the goverment") is comformed by wise beings who don´t steal, who don´t lie, who really care about the people, who really know what is peace, what is harmony, what is true love . . . there are no wars, there are is no pollution, there is no mass extinction of plants and animals, you can study whatever you want to study, you can travel wherever you want to, you can work in anything you want to you can choose a real spiritual teacher, to assist you in your evolution, he/she does not brainwash you like earth religions do, but he/she teach you the laws of creation, that are eternal, that are everywhere, that YOU can recognize BY YOURSELF in ALL while in a fascist state people live miserably in a planet like Erra you live in a paradise the difference is very simple while in one, people have to live under laws created by ignorant, egoist, human beings in other, people live according to the natural order, according to the laws THAT ARE, THAT HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, AND THAT WILL EVER BE, AND THAT HAVE NOT BEEN CREATED BY HUMAN BEINGS BUT BY THE INFINITE MIND OF CREATION, WHO WITH WISDOM AND LOVE CREATED ALL GALAXIES, ALL UNIVERSES, AND ALL THAT EXISTS IN THEM 2- True Freedom is to live consciously in peace and harmony with all, it is to be yourself, it is to be who you really are without order there is nothing without order there is no life look at the smallest insect, look carefully at the most insignificant stone and you will find that the order is in all and that if you live according to that order, you find joy, wisdom, and love please think about it take care and all the best to you!!! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 579 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Dplotmach, Do you consider Billy to be a "spiritual leader" considering in certain areas his knowledge exceeds those who are considered "spiritual leaders" on Erra? It would seem having "spiritual leaders" is more preferable then the current leaders we have on this planet, wouldn't you agree? Regards Scott | ||
Kei New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2004 |
I read it somewhere in Billy's article that Plejaren society do not have monetary currency. Whatever you need you go to the store to get it. So basically all people get the same things? This is a very utopian communistic practice. If one wants some extra luxury, can he get it? And do they have entertainments like movie, concert, sport events, disco clubs, bars, ect. If they do not have money, do they get in it all these for free?first come first serve basis? and all these establishments are sponsored by their government or council? I am really curious how a non monetary society work. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi kei 1- plejarans do not use money and one day even if it is still just a dream this will happen here (according to the prophecies this will fail the first time) this can be done very easily, for the simple reason that as one humanity advances in science, new, cleaner and 100% free energy sources are used, + all the new discoveries + more advanced machines (androids) that can do all the work, etc etc (well its supposed that here on earth some "living machines" have been already created, and even the brain of little animals are being used in experiments for controlling and making a lot of things, also, in the very near future instead of having big computers, they could be microscopic and millions of times more powerful, and machines and living beings will be mixed, and another million things) anyway plejarens still work, but only for a few hours and in whatever they want to and in any part of the planet(the machines could do all the work, but that is not a healthy thing for the body, mind, evolution etc) 2- once you know real peace, harmony and love you don´t need anymore any "luxury", you are already in the best place and time in the entire universe, just waking up every morning and breathing the clean air is the best thing that could ever happened in Erra all is free for all and this could happen here, that why it is important to return to the right path, even if it takes centuries of hard work | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 04-2003 |
If the "law of the abundance of nature" is allowed to operate, such as in a world that does not suffer from over-population, everyone can have as much as nature provides. There are no limitations because nature is replenishing itself at the same rate as it is being consumed. One of the key factors is energy. If energy can be harnessed and provided for "free", virtually everything can be produced for free, since everything relies on energy for production. Couple that with the fact that the Plejarans all contribute a minimum number of hours of work for the good of all. If the cost of materials is zero, and the cost of labor is zero, then it would follow that the cost of goods is zero. So, essentially, everything is "free". Some may say utopian, others may say logical. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Kei, I too think it would be great to hear exactly how this system does work. To add to your questions I'd ask the following which relate to the principles behind the questions rather than specific examples: Can everyone have the latest beamship? What about older models? Who decides who can have what, and is there a complex system of evaluation that states who in their society is entitled to what? As only those with spiritual development and economic sufficiency can have more than one wife obviously by extrapolation people have different rights to certain things. And how do some have greater economic sufficiency -- which we know from their comments some have? How does one work harder to get more land e.g.? Given that there are differences in economic sufficiency there are differences in "wealth" even without money. The Plejarans that visited us obviously had greater wealth -- economic sufficiency -- than many/most others on Erra. This suggsts a non-communistic system. Money is not just coins and paper; anything that can be exchanged for other things can be said to be a form of money, for money is merely that which enables or facilitates exchange of goods and services. Can't the milk produced from Quetzel's cows be exchanged for anything else? How about farmers' veges? Do they engage in barter at all, or are they prohibited from exchanging goods for other goods in case it leads to the then natural development of money? Surely people don't just walk in anywhere and take what they want or feel they need? Some things are more difficult to produce than other things, and in less supply. Or is it as easy for them to produce say, a suit of clothes as it is a sock, which is as easy to produce as a machine? The question here is how are things comparatively evaluated, and then how are they distributed or made available to what section of the populace? Is a child's marble given the same value as a complex machine or a farm building? How are artworks, or anything else, given comparative evaluation if they are not valued differently, and how are the better (artworks eg) made available...and to whom? Surely the work of a genius is valued more than the work that just anyone can do, and these will be in shorter supply, so who gets them? Even among a group who are all geniuses they can obviously be comparatively evaluated and so their products not equal in value. I welcome and would appreciate any comments or answers. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 04-2003 |
A sad commentary on the state of human affairs is that we are almost purely materialistic beings and greatly identify our purpose, being and worth with our accumulated possessions. Accordingly, we unduly value our possessions. As people become less materialistic, they begin to identify themselves more with other values than their possessions. I think the Buddhist monks might be a good example here. Greed and scarcity are large market factors in the value of possessions. Eliminate those factors through higher evolution and the abundance of nature, i.e., no overpopulation, and possessions take on more the quality or worth of tools: a means of achieving an ends. Logically and rationally thinking people have no purpose in hoarding tools. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi cpl i hope you are doing fine in Erra all is free for all the only requisite is that you work 2 hours in anything and anywhere you want to if you need a vehicle then you take it and then you leave it after, so that another person can use it (if you need a vehicle only for your personal use, then (if you are an adult) you ask for it, and they give it to you (the hovering vehicles they use in the planet are different from the "beamships" than visit Earth, i imagine that you can only use those beamships than can travel through time and to other universes, if you have studied certain disciplines and if it is approved (definitely they are no toys) i assume that if the new models are better in all aspects (which is logical), then the olders are recycled or something (here on Earth, new things are not always better, but that is because commonly the people are searching for money, not evolution) it may sound strange for people living in a world like ours, but all those garbage of having "more land", being "richer" or having things that that other don´t have,(not in the sense of creating new things, but in the sense of having a bigger house, better clothes, etc etc) do not exist if you think about it quietly, you will discover that all those things are born from extreme egoism, ignorance, spiritual poverty and from wanting to be more than you really are, in Erra everyone has enough "land" (and everything else) for living, and for all their natural necessities, etc etc we only have this problem here, because of overpopulation i think that in a world like that the work of a genius would be of the same value as that of a "normal" person, for the simple reason that when everything is so well organized then the quality of all is extremely high, and even a simple fruit would be very "valuable" here on earth many "artists" and "genius" think that their work is more valuable than the work of others, but that is not necesarily true, for the simple reason that without fruits and vegetables everyone would be sick and would die, but without an "art work" nothing would really happen creativity is a natural characteristic of all human beings, when someone has a special "gift", that is not something to make him believe that he/she is better than anyone else, it is a blessing from creation, one that you can share with all | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Memo00, Thanks, I'm fine and hope you are too. Thanks for your comments on the vehicles and beamships. I think I can now understand a bit better how these move around the Erran society. "it may sound strange for people living in a world like ours, but all those garbage of having "more land", being "richer" or having things that that other don´t have,(not in the sense of creating new things, but in the sense of having a bigger house, better clothes, etc etc) do not exist" Then let's not talk about money and possessions. Let's talk about Quetzal's economic position. Quetzal does have more land than the average. His economic position is above the average even if he or no one else on Erra perceives it as such. He has told us this is so and necessary in order to have a number of wives. So some certainly do have more land and economic well being than others. Can any have all the land they want? It seems so, as they don't appear to want much, though farmers would obviously require more than, say, a writer. I was not talking about riches or materialism, but just wishing to understand how they have this diversity of economic station in their society and how it comes into being or operates. Quetzal had to have his land and economic -- and spiritual -- status (as I read in the notes) in order to have his wives. How did he come to have such land and economic status/ability to support his many wives if everything is equal? Surely according to what Quetzal has said not all are equal in terms of economic status, though all may be happy or content with what they have (I cannot comment on that). I'm merely asking how they come to have (the process) these obviously apparent differences in economic station. "i think that in a world like that the work of a genius would be of the same value as that of a "normal" person, for the simple reason that when everything is so well organized then the quality of all is extremely high, and even a simple fruit would be very 'valuable'" So a Rembrandt would be seen as no more valuable than a cheap Sunday afternoon knock-off oil painting by the guy down the road? That's not knocking the guy down the road. But if you think they have the same value in content I'd have to disagree. If 10 people (100? 10,000?) would like to hang that Rembrandt painting in their room, they can't all do it, because there's only one. So who gets it? Or can it not be traded or exchanged? If it can is it just exchanged for something "Rembrandt" (e,g) thinks it is worth? Which is how it gets into our society originally. This is just to illustrate the point. Or is nothing treasured on Erra; or conversely, and more likely everything, including the most insignificant thing to garbage, equally treasured? Maybe it is. I'm just asking. It seems to me though, that if absolutely everything is in practice equally treasured there is no genius and no trailblazing, or special creativity, which suggests they've reached a plateau or ceiling that no one is pushing beyond. I find that hard to accept. The trailblazers are one form of genius. Even on a planet full of geniuses there will be different levels of genius among them, those pushing the envelope. I certainly agree with your comments about fruits and vegetables, but without artwork this world would be immensely more backward IMO. Art has moved almost hand in hand with science as the planet has progressed and without art it is arguable that photography may well never have come along (who would have ever thought of creating a "picture" with a machine or device?) since art gave, and is, man's creative expression of visual image. Without art Billy may never have been able to take any photographs of beamships because there may not have been such things as cameras and films. Art has been mankind's eternal creative inspiration. I'm quite convinced that without it we wouldn't be here today. And if all is equally valued on Erra then any old sketch is as valuable as a beamship. Art and music are the areas in which humanity has been able to develop its intuition and creative abilities. Without art (generally, I'm not talking about the junk that often passes off as it), this world would have gone defunct long ago IMHO. Genius has nothing to do with what an artist or anyone else thinks of themself, despite Oscar Wilde's claims. Genius can be defined as "...a person or thing that powerfully influences another" or "...instinctive and extraordinary imaginative creative or inventive capacity" (Shorter OED). Unless all are on the same level, and it appears they are not on Erra, for they have their Ishwish and others who are not at that level, then surely genius can be said to exist there. We were probably visited by their greatest geniuses IMO but maybe they are respectfully humble and so do not talk in such terms generally -- at least to us. "creativity is a natural characteristic of all human beings, when someone has a special "gift", that is not something to make him believe that he/she is better than anyone else, it is a blessing from creation, one that you can share with all" I agree absolutely. But that does not mean that some don't make greater contributions to a society than others. Whilst all are essentially of equal value in terms of life and the fact they work, all are not equal in levels of contribution. Who here can say they have contributed equally to Billy in this particular lifetime? It is not contributive IMO to go through life comparing people or oneself with others; but it is obvious, almost by definition, that those who do actually contribute more are fewer than those who contribute less. Their products then become more valuable. I'm not talking about money, but intrinsic value. Part of value can be the cost involved, though. This is why FIGU must charge for its books and products, and why they are more expensive than chewing gum, because they are more valuable and more expensive to produce. I know on Erra FIGU's publications could be produced by androids and made freely available; but are the products of their most gifted few equal in value to one piece of metal mass produced by their androids? More than in the minds of the people -- obviousy they are not going to make an egotistical song and dance about it -- I mean within and for the society, viewed objectively? What do you think? | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 450 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Kei... Welcome to the FIGU board. Well, in principle all Plejarans would get the Same amount of share. And persons with a greater Task in work, can indeed...Receive more in return, as this being a "Positive Consequence" of their Achievements. Which would speak for it's self. Knowing that there is Less "Jealousy" within the Plejaran Society.., they would Naturally...Generate a more "Positive Envy" for their fellow Man/Human Being. Which is of course, a proper Attitude to Evolving towards the "Perfection" process(ing) of man as intended by Creation. I would agree with Jo Jo, describing it being a "Logical", more than Utopian. But still, Utopian...would still be a good directed and Positive wording. In a way, it is just the process of - The Logical Processing to Perfection -, if I may describe in this manner, which of course; a processing that evolves - Step by Step -; the process we Earthlings still/also have to follow to gain Harmony and Balance...etc...as to the level of that of the Plejarans...one day. Thus, a "Spiritual and Social Stable" civilization. Ofcourse, even all Plejarans do contribute "Labor" to their beloved Balanced society. Which speaks for it's self. As any human being would, even here on Earth. But ofcourse, the Plejarans are so far evolved than we here on Earth; they labor to a minimum because they have reached the "Status/Level" of doing so...and to let their evolved Technology take a hand in labor. Which speaks for it's self. And thus, contributes to their Social Stable society. They are very lucky and fortunate, they have left our level of evolution...and are content with the status they are enjoying now. And it is well deserved...I would say. So, Spiritually and Socially, they have evolved to KNOW(ING) BETTER...so to speak..and would not do the things, we here on Earth, would do. As they do Adapt and Utilize the True Laws of Nature and Creation to it's fullest...to Harmonize in all their Deeds and Actions. So, as you can notice, Nothing is..in principle for FREE. One has to labor for it. Which is a Natural Process(ing). To Progression..and to Perfection. Every human Deserves a "Reward" for his/her daily deeds. Which is very Logical...and which speaks for it's self. If One would not sow seeds...One would not be rewarded with it's harvest. Even Creation has to labor to Progress to Perfection. One Creational Cycle...after the other Creational Cycle, and so forth, and every time, will be Rewarded for her Achievements of Greater Expansion of Consciousness and Knowledge; and, at one time, reach her Destiny to Fuse and be Rewarded to become ONE with the "Absolute Absolutum"...with her Perfect State of Being. Thus, Labor IS a Necessity in order to Progress, and thus, Progress to Perfection. And Labor is a Positive Process(ing) for the Mobility of the Human Body, as well...as for the Human Consciousness(Comprehensive Block Mechanism..etc...). Ofcourse, the Plejaran's system, that exists today...do in some ways, resemble that of your mentioned Communism (or Utopia). My my, a very Negative and Dirty word, as you know...in our Capitalistic world it is. Even in some countries the word is a word of "Cursing". Which it is not ..of course. It is a very good and Balanced way of living with one and other, but alas, in this time and age, many do not see and notice the Significance of this system. Man, today, on Earth, is still Too Low Evolved to Grasp the True meaning of the word, and are Still Enslave... to the Material Capitalist FALSE...system. But still, this is just a evolution Faze/Process...that our civilizations have to under go. But ofcourse...it does not have to go into process, the way it is being processed today. It can still be processed in a more Humanly manner. I even once watched a film, can not remember the name but, an alien being was caught by the American Army...and the alien described how his planet had no sickness, monetary system...etc, and Shared all they had for the betterment of their society and others whom part-take of the harmony they existed in. And all of a sudden, in the next scene of the film, there was this general who was very very up-set that mentioned, something of the likes: "And see..and their Communists also...", he said to the staff around him. I found this most laughable...ofcourse! And thus, these aliens were a Threat to Earth..in the eyes of this general. Oh yes; the aliens did not even have a God. The Cosmos was The Immeasurable Creating Force for them. Of course, this up-set the general even more.... So, you see, this is the point I want to get across. That general, and today's Definition of Communism. That general...is just TOO LOW evolved and Ignorant..to Grasp and Comprehend..the True Meanings and Definitions of a world that Shares as much as they can with their fellow human beings. Thus, One does have the choice to choose for a much more Stable system for humanity...than for a Most Unstable system..which consists of Greediness, Selfishness, WAR...and all other Aspects of The Material System..etc...which will surely Not bring forth Peace, Harmony and Balance to a society. This would be just a system that takes the Path with the Most "Friction"...alas to say. And as Semjase once said:" A Degenerate civilization will Destroy it's self." Which is Truly its Own..."Consequences":..it's OWN..."CAUSE and EFFECT", NATURALLY! If you purchase "And Still...They Fly" you will have more Insight of how the Plejarans live in their daily lives...and much more. This would be the appropriate action to undertake, I would say. Your questions are well explained in the book. If you Study it with an "Opened Mind" you will understand it's contents. Just let the contents....Flow...into your Consciousness. Edward. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi again cpl im not sure about all the details but i still think that neither Quetzal or other people have advantages over others each one of his wives has her own house when it is said that a man needs to be capable to maintain them it refers to other aspects (in other words he has to be a real man, responsible, mature enough (to have kids is no game) and before marrying they have to pass the tests that probe that they really love each other) because life it is 100% free they don´t need to be (economically) maintained (and because they are not like many women here that don´t have the oportunity to study and don´t work) i think that the number of wives one man can have have to do with evolution the more evolved the more you can "maintain" ............................................. its supposed that in Erra it is common that a person studies 30 fields of knowledge so i don´t think that there are people who are exclusively "writers" or "farmers" each person has his own land and are as self-sufficient as posible i don´t see why someone would want more land when the entire creation (including other universes) is your home ............................................... about art, yes, i know that it is necesary i only meant that there are things that are more important and are not always valued about the work of "genius" i dont want to speculate more (but i still think that it is like the work of anyone else, for many reasons) and here the same than with "farmers" or "writers", these geniuses may be very good for some things but not so good for other things, i think that if here on Earth people care very much about what other people do is because they are living a "false" life, and only "live" like zombies worshiping the work of others (singers, painters, movie "stars", etc etc etc) instead of doing something by themselves | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 677 Registered: 02-2000 |
I think Population size plays a large part in Plejaren society. Just think of how much easier it would be to help everyone in a smaller society. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Memo00, I agree with just about all you say. But it still doesn't address the question of how Quetzal (e.g.)has a greater economic level of sufficiency than some others. I'm not suggesting anyone on Erra is unhappy about that -- it seems obvious they are not -- but there's a required economic sufficiency for having multiple wives mentioned in the notes. This means some have greater economic sufficiency than others. I just wonder and am asking how that comes about. Maybe there's a simple answer, I just haven't read anything on this. "i don´t see why someone would want more land when the entire creation (including other universes) is your home" They would merely want the land because they need it. A farmer will need more because of his animals' requirement for land. A person more active doing more things may require more land upon which to operate. People have different requirements as a practical basis for either living or the expression of their work, others will require less. That is all. It has nothing to do with greed or just "wanting" land. "and here the same than with "farmers" or "writers", these geniuses may be very good for some things but not so good for other things," I think this goes for all of us, not just geniuses. Thanks for your feedback. I couldn't agree more with your comment on population, Norm. | ||
Kei New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2004 |
Did the Plejaren know about this tsunami beforehands? Did they tell Billy about it? | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 03-2004 |
Kei, We're having a discussion about this in the Miscellaneous folder in the Planet Earth section. | ||
Sundar New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2005 |
Dear friends, I am beginner, so help me, please. I am here for first time! My greetings to all! I like to know something about the philosophy of physical contacts with them, so face to face. But I dont know well where to start in the forum. Some category about this somewhere? So I need your help. Thank, Sundar Hello Sundar, I have moved your post to a more suitable area. It might be helpful in the future to check the many topics and sub-topic areas to find the best place to post. Welcome to the Forum. Regards-Moderator | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Joseph-Emmanuel, This is very a very subjective topic but it is worthy for discussion. I feel that with clear reasoning this topic like all topics can be dealt with, but alike many topics this one must be dealt through a sensible and rational perspective. So, I feel that most people would agree that our state of conciousness and level of evolvement on this planet is such that if truthful teachings came from your next-door neighbor or from afar that it is possible that we may not even be able to recognize the truth in them until the necessary mind training and reasoning is used. I also share the same thoughts and or feelings you seemed to portray concerning the stringency of the Plejaren's ethical codes. Like the idea that it seems way too harsh to banish one because of adultry... although they (plejaren) have had a lasting peace on their worlds for over 50,000 years... quite an accomplishment; I might add. But, you said (correct me if i'm wrong) that with more "tolerance" our society would be more likely to have peacful means and ends. I do agree. I however agree only with the concept that "tolerance aids lasting peace". I feel that a fine line needs to be drawn. And, this line must be used with caution, love, and true wisdom, but like we have already implied, these attributes are not very popular among earth people. I feel that we should learn to be more tolerant but like I said in the beginning, this is very subjective. I do not agree that letting someone get away with adultry is right, but this happens thousands of times a day... In fact my sister recently left a marriage because her ex-husband could not keep his hands to himself, which is very common. She gave him many chances to clean up. These kinds of people have not connected with reason and morality. Honestly, Joseph I can think of no better way to help someone understand right and wrong than to spend some time alone. Now, like we mentioned a little earlier about how exciling someone is extrememly harsh. It would seem that way on the cover and i would agree that it looks too harsh, but as of now I live in the United States in the State of Ohio and it is illegal to partake in adultry punishable with jail-time (to the best of my knowledge)if the victim feels the need to prosecute. This is the law but I have NEVER heard of anyone ever getting prosectuted for such an act. Have you heard of anyone recieving jail time? I feel certain that offenders should recieve a STIFFER punishment, if the victims family would only stand up and make it happen. So in conclusion, i do feel that banishing a person caught for adultry for life does seem a little harsh, but we do need to start somewhere and maybe families pushing harder for prosecution could send an impulse through the conciousness of men and women alike and spark some reasoning? But, once again, The Plejaren have had a sturdy, well protected fortress with emnating peace for tens of thousands of years, I don't know about you but when someone clearly more advanced gives me a warning I at least try to consider the reasoning behind the information. Billy alike. Thanks for listening, Salome __________________________________________________ Tim | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hello Tim I have a feeling I am going to contradict myself here. I have re-read my post, after some months, and I’m not entirely certain how I feel about it; that is, it is quite possible that I have some reservations concerning my line of reasoning. I still think it is extreme to punish someone for adultery, but I suspect the reason I feel this way about it is because it was traditionally advocated by religion (and still is in some parts of the world), and I fear that such talk can degenerate to a level of intolerance towards those who commit it, which, in my opinion, must never happen. I say this, and yet it was only recently when I expressed a complete lack of sympathy towards paedophiles, stating that if justice can’t be served, it is better that they are dead. On reflection I am completely opposed to this attitude. No matter how vile or evil a crime is, it is important to remember that we are all human, and if some form of punishment is to be delivered, it must be done humanely. That is where I stand on punishment. Admittedly, exiling someone for an offence is humane, since it doesn’t deprive that person of his life nor of his freedom to experience life and learn from his mistakes. But the Plejarens exile criminals to another planet and keep them there, as I understand, under primitive conditions in order to prevent them from developing a sophisticated society. We are not able to do this. If ever we should allow criminals to be exiled as a form of punishment, they would have to be sent to another island, which, although it has been done before, I don’t think will be practical, or even possible, these days. This gives us no choice but to consider other forms of punishment, such as imprisonment, or the death sentence, the last of which bears not thinking about in regards to an offence like adultery. But even imprisonment is a waste of jail space that might be better occupied by someone who commits a more serious crime, for our understanding of love isn’t synonymous with Creational love that adultery will upset the spiritual balance of a human being, as may well be the case with the Plejarens. If anything, it only has emotional repercussions, and is considered a crime by some because it violates religious doctrine and the moral sensibilities of those who have been conditioned by religion. Were it not for these, adultery would not be considered a crime at all. This is why in some States in America, and in Britain and Europe, people get away with it: because religion and morality have such little influence in our lives that we don’t consider them reasonable grounds on which to convict those who commit adultery. It, therefore, begs the question, on what grounds is adultery a crime if not on religious and moral grounds? I’d be very careful as to how you answer this because it’s all very well being told by someone who is “clearly more advanced” that adultery is a crime, the simple truth is we don’t really understand what adultery means except from an emotional, religious and moral perspective; and since the Plejarens’ are more logically-minded than we are, they can’t possibly mean to say that adultery is a crime on these grounds because there is often very little logic involved. Therefore they must mean it is a crime on some other grounds. In which case, adultery as we understand it is not a crime but an emotional, religious and moral issue. Maybe when we have grown beyond these very personal issues, when we no longer feel jealousy, intolerance or conflict towards each other, we will then see clearly why adultery is a crime. In the meantime, I believe we must learn to move on with our lives instead of holding on to the idea of each other when a relationship isn’t working. Think why you don’t agree that a person should get away with adultery, and ask yourself if you are right. You gave your sister’s marriage to her ex-husband as an example, saying that he couldn’t keep his hands to himself, and using the awful moral word in conjunction with one’s ability to reason. It is understood here that it is natural for men to want more than woman. Yet our moral sense denies men this need in marriage, which could explain why men commit adultery. Is this grounds for conviction? Joseph | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 05-2004 |
Tim As I was reading through the Questions to Billy, I came upon this reply: “According to the Spirit Teachings (not “according to the FIGU”): Fornication (“Hurerei” in German) means to sell one’s sexuality (payment not only with money). Adultery (“Ehebruch” in German) means the breaking of a marriage: i.e. when the two persons involved are not helping each other anymore and when the bond/marriage is separated (divorce). Unfaithfulness (“unter dem Hag durchgrasen” in Swiss German) means having sex with other persons while married, etc. It is not the same as adultery, in the sense as the Spirit Teachings explain.” So you see, we don’t really understand what adultery means. Before reading the above I thought adultery meant having sex with others persons while married, and I’m sure in Ohio it is because of this that “adulterers” are imprisoned; but according to the Plejarens this is unfaithfulness, not adultery. I wonder now what their view on this is, and whether they regard it as severely as they regard adultery. It would be amusing if their attitude is less stringent. After all, they don’t experience emotions such as jealousy, we are told, which might just mean to them that unfaithfulness is not a good enough reason to break the bond of a marriage. To us, however, it is a good enough reason, and in doing so we are committing adultery. What do you think about it now? Really we are thinking about unfaithfulness. If, therefore, a “clearly more advanced” race like the Plejarens think less about this than they do about adultery, and consequently do not feel the need for some form of punishment for unfaithful spouses, will you still feel the need for some form of punishment yourself, or will you “try to consider the reasoning” behind their logic. In the twelve commandments, adultery is mentioned in conjunction with the breaking of one’s bond with Creation. Can we possibly imagine what marriage actually means to the Plejarens without their experience and knowledge? Somehow I think not. Joseph | ||
Torrent Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello, guys. I would appreciate your logical opinion. When I read the contact notes and other FIGU materials, billions of years ago, Old Lyrian and their descendants already had amazing scientific technologies such as large-scale space traveling, genetic manipulation, extremely destructive weaponry. Then it is just hard to imagine how technologically advanced they would have been by now considering our own technological achievements we have seen only for the past century and even what Plejarens have achieved for the past 40 years. But it seems like current technological gap between what old Lyrians had and what Plejarens have today is very small. Do you think that Plejarens or descendants of old Lyrians haven¡¯t achieved much since their forefathers had already reached a high degree of civilazation? | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Joseph Emmanuel, I forgot i posted in here! your response was very eye opening especially with the definitions. You said they are not those of the FIGU's but of the spirit teachings, you mean Billy's spirit teachings? As far as i was concerned Billy Meier is the head man for the FIGU and any books he makes (spirit teachings alike) should be one and the same as the FIGU. Am I wrong?!?! Anyway, that's not my main concern here. After reading and re-reading your posts for the second time in five months (i forgot i posted here haha) I figured we could ask for a suggestion from Billy on correct responses to Unfaithfulness (“unter dem Hag durchgrasen” in Swiss German) means having sex with other persons while married, etc. If this is the definition he uses. I could ask Billy first if this definition fits because that can change a thing or two about proper references and for comparisons, and then ask him what a proper punishment for Unfaithfulness might be. Joseph, I have always looked very low upon the act of unfaithfulness towards ones spouse even when I know that these people are just missing crucial common sence and compassion and mutual respect for other persons and have been engaging in illogical thinking processes. Not because they are any less of a person but that their actions and decisions disgust me. I can't comprehend how you could cheat even on a girlfriend/boyfriend. It comes down to your motive in a relationship. Did you initially start out pure and with harmonizing intentions? Or are you looking for sexual pleasure and only physical rewards? If one answers yes to the second one than they are 10x's more likely to have a partner that is not satisfied on some level. A dis-satisfied partner will seek elswhere for gratification and satisfaction, oftentimes unknowingly or subconciously that can develop into a concious act of unfaithfulness. If, the partners were to be more spiritual in there partner seeking methods/lives they would have figured out within the first three years of their marriage whether or not they were a match, so that things should transpire as they must, not as one desires them to be. In today's society many childrens lives are made rough and un-learned because one of their parents was un-faithful and left their spouse, putting all the burden on 1 of the parents. This can be prevented with a search and a sense for true love! So the main point is DO NOT commit unfaithfulness, and we can prevent this by simply following the marriage regulations under the FIGU's prerequisites for marriage. However, in the event of unfaithfulness, we as responsible humans need to teach each other and learn from each other the proper methods of dealing with unfaithful partners. It seems that the guilty party needs to be either shown how to respect fellow mankind(a task that should've been carried by their parents) or one needs to sit in solitude and figure out what they should've already known. Could it possibley be narrowed down to an inadequite exapmple by the unfaithful persons parents? We might find out when I ask the next question to Billy. “According to the Spirit Teachings (not “according to the FIGU”): Fornication (“Hurerei” in German) means to sell one’s sexuality (payment not only with money). Adultery (“Ehebruch” in German) means the breaking of a marriage: i.e. when the two persons involved are not helping each other anymore and when the bond/marriage is separated (divorce). Unfaithfulness (“unter dem Hag durchgrasen” in Swiss German) means having sex with other persons while married, etc. It is not the same as adultery, in the sense as the Spirit Teachings explain.” Sorry for the length moderator | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 04-2003 |
Maybe it has to do with civilizations always warring amongst themselves thus eradicating their technologies and having to start all over again. Apparently that's been the path of evolution on earth with civilizations like Atlantis. | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 07-2004 |
One thing I don't understand is if the plejarens have been at peace amongst themselves for the past 50,000 years, then how come the plejarens aren't far more technogically ahead of us then, instead of only 3,500 years? Also the plejarens are 30 million years ahead of us in the scheme of spiritual evolution, so shouldn't that mean that they'ld all be complete genius's to us then too? So based on that, I would have thought that the plejarens would've been at least 50,000 years ahead of us in their technological advancements instead of that stones throw of only 3,500 years. I think I might ask billy this question in the next round of questions and see what he has to say about it. phil | ||
Torrent Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello, Jo-jo. I also figured out your answer, but I don't remember reading anything about the wars which totally destroyed the civilizations after old Lyrian times. But Semjaje once mentioned that they also had wars before this long period of peace settled in. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 125 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Phil, If I remember correctly rhe Plejarens said that after their contact with those in the DAL universe they advanced a lot more technologically in the years since making contact with Billy so they are now far in excess of 3500 years ahead of us. The Ps exchanged spiritual knowledge with the DALs that they didn't have, and the DALs reciprocated with tech knowledge that the Ps didn't have. However, your question would still stand with regards the Ps situation up to the 1970s. Regards, Hi Cpl, The Plejarens are at least 8000+ years ahead of earth technology the last I remember. Scott | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Cpl, still I don't consider 8,000 years as being that much more really considering that earth humanity is right on the verge of exploding out of the blocks with its own technological advancement shortly as the prophecies have stated. I can understand to a degree why the plejarens would have progressed more in their spiritually advanced over their technological advancement during the past 50 thousand years since the plejarens have been having peace amongst their people on their homeworld. I can see that one of the reasons was probably because they chose to focus more of their attention in the last 50,000 years towards the spiritual side of life instead of the material. But one thing I don't really understand is why they allowed their technological advancement to lack so far back during that time. Isn't this being careless of the plejarens in them not having a balanced learning feild between spritual and material during that time of the last 50,000 years? I can see one reason why they maybe shouldn't have left their technology advancement to be left stagenated back on the backburner for so long over that period of time. That one reason that i can see would be for them to always be developing their technological defensive advancements for their own level of protection in the universe as the plejarens I think have mentioned somewhere before that they could be on their own if another alien race someday happened to wanted to start a war with them and the high council chose for whatever reason not to help them. I haven't read any of the books yet and are only commenting here from my own percieved and limited point of view here. phil | ||
Moonshine Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 01-2005 |
Hey Phil, I think your comment is well taken concerning the Plejaren's technological advancement, if Billy has taught us anything it's balance in all that we do. However in regard to Cpl's last post, I heard that the people of Andromeda (Dal Civilization) were extremely spiritually advanced as well as in technology, that's the main reason the plejarens choose to take advice from them and to possibly try and balance their technological knowledge to match their spiritual knowledge that they've have been working very hard on. Sometimes I wonder who the Andromedians are taking their advice from because I speculate that Billy's teachings are limited truth for our own good, I wonder where that never ending learning chain ends, what race is next of kin to connect with creation. Definately something interesting to think about.. | ||
Jay Member Post Number: 368 Registered: 01-2002 |
Hi MOonshine, The DAL Universe and Andromeda locations are two separate places. The DAL Universe is not in the DERN universe where Andromeda is located. The DAL is a "separate" Universe from ours and it has a barrier location which needs to be crossed in order to exist in the DAL universe. Andromeda is located in our DERN Universe which is this one we are in and the Milky way. Does that clear your understanding of the difference in locations?? Saalome and BE WELL to ALL JAYhovaah | ||
Moonshine Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 01-2005 |
Yea, thanks for the info. Does billy have any information on the andromedians? | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 117 Registered: 07-2004 |
Moonshine, what i was trying to say is how the plejarens are 30 million years ahead of us in the scheme of spiritual evolution but are only 8000 years ahead of us in their technological advancements. Also we're told that the plejarens job is somewhat of a cosmic police force too. This is even more of another reason why I felt they would have been far more ahead of us in their technological advancements then that stones throw of only 8000 years ahead us there, because of how their job would probably involve them meeting with and policing other human races out there which are signifigantly far more ahead of the technological advancement that we're at now. I guess, what I'm trying to say here is surely the plejarens are at the spiritual evolution level now which should allow them to be balance to a much higher technology advancement level to where their at now, when you consider that their 30 million years ahead of us with their spiritual evolution. In short what I'm trying to say here is, why are they only 8000 years ahead of us in their technology advancements if they are a staggering 30 million years ahead of us with their spiritual evolution level? Surely they have the spirituality to be far more technologically advanced then what they are at now, when you consider they are a cosmic plolice force and when you compare it to where earth mans spirituality and technology level is at now. I wonder where earth mans spiritual evolution and technology level will be at in around 30 million years time from now? Earth mans spiritual evolution level should be 30 million years ahead from where it is at now (and at where the plejarens are at now) and so should his technology advancement level be roughly around 30 million years ahead from where it is at now too. Why have plejarens left their technology level a staggering 30 million years behind to where their spiritual evolution level is at now? And why aren't they at least 50 thousand years ahead of us in their technology advancement level if they've had peace on their homeworld for the past 50 thousand years too. phil phil | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 130 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Phil, Maybe the Ps spend too much time milking cows and working on the farm. (This is humor.) Perhaps they illustrate the importance of focusing on spiritual development. If they are a mere step away from the AA level then what need have they of technology? Hi-tech doesn't evolve one to the AA level. Presumably they do think it is better to sit around milking the cows -- although Quatzal is very tech savvy too. | ||
James New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hi Phil638, I am curious about the truth of the Plejaren evolution level too. Is there any FIGU menber that knows why the Plejaren technological evolution does not appear to be in balance with their spiritual evolution? | ||
Phil638 Member Post Number: 121 Registered: 07-2004 |
Hi Cpl, I take your joke there in good tatse my friend. However I was also mainly refering to the cosmic police force job that the plejarens are doing which would probably involve them with meeting with and policing other human races out there which are signifigantly far more ahead of our technological advancement level that we're at now. Also refering to what have they 've been doing for the past 30 million years leaving their technological advancement level behind stagnate. Also I believe that they are in the same position as any other human race out there when it comes to defending their planet and their own against any nasty unwelcomed visitors that might want to war with them for whatever reason. And that position is that they are quite possibly on their own from enemy attack, not even the high council should be expected to be defending them too. For that reason I believe i can see that there should be a need there to always be moving one's technological defensive advancements forwards. phil | ||
Deeh Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 05-2000 |
Hi, This conversation caught my attention. So I'm adding my 2 cents worth. The P's devote their time to evolution of Spirit. That is their speciality. A few years ago they obtained their beam ship that travels in time by trading Spiritual info to Asket's race for it. I was not aware they were considered to be a/the cosmic police force. I have not read that before. Another thing, our technical evolution is so far ahead of our Spiritual evolution they consider us to be an insane society. I have heard if one of their people wanted to take a spouse who is not as evolued as they, they have the ability to advance the lessor evolued person to their level. And allow the marriage. Dee | ||
Kei Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2004 |
How do Plejarens view death? Do they become emotional and sad when lose someone close? or they view death as just a cycle that everyone go through and no big deal about it? Do they bury their dead? and hold funerals? Do they have mediums that try to contact the spirits of the dead, or they know exactly where the spirits are after death so they do not feel the need to contact? Do they have technology for assigned reincarnation. Such as if a person died, and take his spirit form and inject into a certain new born baby at one's choice? or they let the spirits go on his way of laws of creation? Kei, Why don't you ask ONE of these questions to Billy in the Questions to Billy section? (http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/1871.html#POST16012) Scott | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 697 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Kei, While it’s not known to me whether technology exists which is capable of changing the reincarnational pattern of a spirit form, there may be means to achieve this through spiritual knowledge. Please read the following excerpt. Please bear in mind the translation is not authorized, but was made available through the efforts of Gaiaguys. Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Reports Volume 6 238th Contact Saturday, May 18th, 1991, 12:55AM Pages 410-413 689. Und also erging die Order und Verfügung durch Eingriffe der Ebene Arahat Athersata, dass die im Laufe der Zeit eines natürlichen Todes Dahingeschiedenen nicht einer Wiedergeburt eingeordnet sein sollten, sondern dass deren Geistformen so lange im jenseitigen Bereiche zu verbleiben hatten, bis sie eines Tages durch eine neuerliche Verfügung Nokodemions abermalig in menschlichen Körpern eine Existenz finden konnten. 689. And thus the order and command was resolved through the engagement of the Arahat Athersata level, that they faded away in the course of time to a natural death, and should be ordained to be without a reincarnation, but that their spirit forms had to stay so long on the realm of the other side until they, one day, through the command of Nokodemion, could again find their existence in human form. Regards Scott | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum members When I first encountered the information about the plejarens 30 million years advancement in spirituality verses their 8000 years technical advancement compared to us I also wondered how that could be but when I digged deeper into myself I realised how foolish and small in consciousness I really was. I was missing the whole point. The answers actually surprised me because it wasn't what I had in mind. When they say that they are 30 million years more advanced in spirituality and 8000 years more technically advanced than us, it's saying that in relation to our level of development right now meaning that if we don't manage to create any catatrophic world wars and maintain our level of peace for the next 8000 years we may just catch up to where they are in as of today. Often times our civilization had to start from scratch over and over again which further hindered our progress both in spirit and technical. So if our humanity worked diligently in our pursuit of spiritual development it doesn't mean that it's going to take 30 million years for us to get to the present level of spiritual development the plejarens are at now, it means as we progress further the more we can develop further and faster in a compounding fashion, so as we progress further and faster both in spirit and technical, who knows we might be able to develop our technological knowhow to the extent that we could brdge the 8000 year gap in just 6000 years. One year of spiritual development does not equate to one year of technological development. But then again I could be wrong on this its just what I thought would be a logical deduction from the whole point of the plejarens letting us know where we are at in relation to themselves so that it encourages us to become more peaceful and spiritual and humble in our self assessment instead of being locked in our degeneracies thinking we are the GOD's chosen, the only intelligent conscious beings in this universe. peace be with you all |
