| Author | Message | ||
    Steve M. |
Concerning Polygamy, We know Plejarans have long life spans. The Male has multiple wives.He can have children with each wife. It must be very difficult with these circumstances in keeping the population to an acceptable number. How do they manage to keep the population down ? Salome, Steve | ||
Rita Keoughan |
Hi Steve, The following is what I understand about this topic: The Plejaran males do not all marry and have children, nor do all of the females but when the conditions are right to marry, ie. when they have found their spiritually destined partner, they are restricted to three children per spiritually destined wife. (They don`t just pick up a cute chick at the corner bar and say, "Hey, would you like to come over and join my harem?" They actually have a deep spiritual connection and harmony/understanding with their individual wives and almost never experience divorce.) The PL`s are living in harmony with the natural laws of Creation which restricts the number of offspring to 3 which ensures that they do not overpopulate. When a planet which does not suffer from the extreme overpopulation that we have follows this guide, it supposedly keeps the population numbers in check. Salome, Rita | ||
Michael |
Hi Rita, I don't think the word "destined" is exactly it. I understand that the Plejaran courting process, the period of time for a couple to prepare and decide if they are marriage material, is a total of three years, two where they meet for a short amount of time weekly, and one year wherein they don't see each other at all so as to contemplate their relationship. Destiny implies a more passive condition where some outside force is the determining factor, as opposed to the real work involved for the couple. Michael | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hi Rita, Michael... The concept that there is more to "selecting a mate" than only what we intellectually/physiologically/emotionally "decide"... is interesting. I suspect that the spirit(s) involved would/should also be part of this process, somehow... or at least this might be a consideration for the Plejarens...?? Also, if I understand correctly, there are other conditions which must be met, besides the "waiting period". JP | ||
Savio |
Hello all I recall that during a recent discussion, it was mentioned that a "soul mate" does not really exist. I wonder if it is possible to have a "spiritually destined partner". Regards Savio | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Hello all, I agree with Michael. To say that there is someone spiritually destined for someone seems like fairy-tale thinking. An individual (especially a man) can ADAPT to many different partners. This often is realized after a divorce or the death of a spouse, and also in a polygamous relationship. The determining factor, as Michael brought out, is in the dating/courting process. It is here where one finds a compatible mate only after a trial period of getting to KNOW the other person well. Often the success of a marriage depends on smart premarriage activities. So, the way I see it, nothing is predestined in this context. We all determine our own destiny by our decisions and the actions we take. In other words LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT. After all is said and done, to say that this was destiny, to me, is only a label. Regards, Lonnie | ||
Steve M. |
Hi Michael,Jean Pierre,Lonnie,Rita I agree with all of what was said.I am familiar with what the PL's do in preperation to marriage & what a long process it is. Still, If PL's live for 700 to 1000 yrs. If there is for example 200 million PL's on thier world. 100 million have 3 children ,now we have 500 million people that are going to live around 700 years & so on.... There must be certain generations that are not allowed to procreate or certain individuals must wait? It just seems like the population would get huge because not enough people are dying. I guess that's the point I'm reaching for.There would be more people being born than dying. Imagine what Earths population would get to if we lived for 700 years. Even if we didn't have 3 wives & marry until we were 100yrs or so. Maybe they use some birth/death ratio to keep the population controlled ? The number of deaths per year is the number allowed to be born ? Rita, you mention "when conditions are right" Maybe some thing like this is what makes the conditions right to procreate. For us this wouldn't feel like free if we had to procreate within a birth/death ratio, but for a spiritually evolved being truly understanding & feeling what is best for the planet & the people. They would willingly choose what was best for the big picture & that WOULD be THEIR free will. They might even feel offended in having to consider anything else other than what would be best for their world/worlds & race. Salome, Steve | ||
Rita Keoughan |
In our attempt to figure out how it works in the Plejaran system, let's keep in mind how little they told us about themselves, eh? We basically have to dream up parts of the puzzle, for example, what they would do on a date. Imagine going on a date with someone who is constantly reading your thoughts and you reading theirs. Telepathy would pose quite a problem on this earthly plane right now, wouldn't it?  I agree that soulmates don't exist, but a predestined partner is not a soulmate. Can you imagine a planet like Erra with it's high vibration and their governing body that is able to give them such high advices ever experiencing overpopulation? If we had a governing body who was spiritually very highly evolved giving us high level advice based on the laws of Creation we wouldn't have overpopulation either. WE first have to prove ourselves able to follow the laws of Creation that we have already received through Billy's contacts, then we will be able to rise to a new level of evolution and have a better life for everyone. So please, no more overpopulating. It doesn't mean you can't have a child if you fulfill all of the requirements and will instill the natural/spiritual way of living in your offspring. (see article by Christian Frehner on Parenthood.) Salome, | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Hi Steve, Concerning overpopulation, we must keep in mind that polygamy actually helps CONTROL population even with a long lifespan. On the other hand, all of the other married couples don't have to have that many children. And with the laws in place to control population there is no problem. Besides, I believe most people in their federation are single for spiritual reasons. This demonstrates that singleness is acually a better way of life for the sake of spiritual strength, even as Jmmanual made note of in the Talmud. The same could be said of life here on Earth. However, many people here do not have the moral fortitude to do so. Kind regards, Lonnie | ||
Mark Campbell |
Hi Michael,Jean Pierre,Lonnie,Rita,Steve,Savio.... The problem that Rita pointed out is partialy due to insincerity among people. If we knew other's thoughts , and they were appropriate for whichever scenario , then there would be a lot less awkward misunderstandings between people , who often date in different degrees , for different reasons .Incompatibility of intent , so to speak. The Plejarens send some of their people away on missions , so this may account for some fluctuation in the population . I really don't think that we are intended to emulate their lifestyle , but to live our own lives , which have already taken a path of 'style'.To assume polygamy without the background in spiritual evolution that they posess , would be someone pretentious . Of course , it's possibly a way to evolve in relationships . Salome , Mark | ||
Steve M. |
Lonnie, I don't see how polygamy helps population control. I think if PL's practiced monogamy they still would not have a population problem.They probably practice polygamy because they have such long life spans & are evolved past petty emotions like jealousy. Multiple wives (with or without children)would help you evolve more because you are learning & growing with more than one spouse(or person). you stated - And with the laws in place to control population there is no problem. Besides, I believe most people in their federation are single for spiritual reasons.("Why believe most people are single in their federation ? This is assumtion, we don't know how many are single or married with no children" besides -Multiple wives (with or without children)would help a person evolve more because they are learning & growing with more than one spouse(or person). It's the laws that dictate who has children & when I was trying to guess at.I stated -"Maybe they use some birth/death ratio to keep the population controlled ? The number of deaths per year is the number allowed to be born that year?" Rita, you mention "when conditions are right" Maybe some thing like this is what makes the conditions right to procreate.(just a theory on my part) I was trying to say that Earth humans would find a law limiting the amount of children they could have as crushing/controlling their free will. Where PL's would not see such a law as impeding their free will because they are spiritually evolved where they would not make a selfish decision to have too many children because it would not be in the best interest of their planet or the people living there. Personally , my wife & I- together for 7 years decided not to have children yet because of world & population concerns. Rita you wrote -"Can you imagine a planet like Erra with it's high vibration and their governing body that is able to give them such high advices ever experiencing overpopulation? If we had a governing body who was spiritually very highly evolved giving us high level advice based on the laws of Creation we wouldn't have overpopulation either." Again , could it be the governing body who is spiritually very highly evolved makes the decisions of how many children could be born a cetain year due to how many people died that same year. What I like to call Birth/Death ratio. Someone spiritually highly evolved using there free will would decide not to procreate if there was overpopulation concerns. Sorry, one more note - In the PL's veeeery distant past I'd bet they did have severe over-population problems. Every highly evolved race now, at some time in their distant past more likley than not had severe over-population problems. That is likley why they needed to colonize other worlds. Overpopulation for many(now very evolved beings)probably played a major role in many of these races reaching out & searching for other worlds. Over population was likely the very thing that prompted many races to even start exploring space(that & searching,mining for minerals & resources that were low or depleted from an overpopulated homeworld). Looks like it's the reason for Earth as well. I hope I'm not coming off to confrontational. I really don't mean for it to look that way & I'm sorry if it does.I do respect everyone on this board. Salome all, Steve | ||
Michael |
Looks like science is again catching up to what Billy said about the aging gene: Scientists find key to eternal life ALASTAIR DALTON SCIENCE CORRESPONDENT THE search for the secret of eternal life has advanced a step, after scientists claimed they had located the gene responsible for healthy old age. Icelandic biotechnologists said they had isolated the Methuselah gene, which they believe could lead to the development of drugs enabling people to live longer. The gene - a stretch of DNA - has been named after the Old Testament figure said to have lived for 969 years. Kari Stefansson, the chief executive of DeCode Genetics, said: "There is no reason why we cannot do this. "We know the location of this gene. Soon we will study its exact DNA sequence and work out how it works in the body. You can then think of making drugs that could replicate its action." Researchers pinpointed the gene by using Iceland’s uniquely comprehensive family records to compare 1,200 people who had lived beyond 90 with a similar number with average lifespans. They found those who lived longer were much more closely related than in the other group. Mr Stefansson said: "Our tight heritage and records are ideal for this sort of work. We have the same genes as everyone else on the planet, but because we have a small, tight population of only 270,000, it is much easier to pinpoint those of us that carry genes that have interesting functions." The scientists discovered that those who lived longer appeared to have inherited a single gene that protected them against old age, rather than being born into families which did not inherit genes that made them vulnerable to illnesses. DeCode’s work follows research published by Harvard Medical School in the US last year, that claimed people who lived past 100 had in-built defences against old age. The study, which was aimed at protecting people from ageing, found such people had a longevity gene which was inherited, so their children were also likely to live ten to 15 years longer than average. It also found that the brothers and sisters of centenarians were four times more likely than average of living to 90. The Harvard researchers discovered that all 137 100-year-olds they studied had Methuselah-type genes, which appeared to enable them to fight off conditions such as cancer, dementia and heart disease. Scientists had previously believed thousands of human genes worked together to determine how long people live. Professor Thomas Perls, a geriatrician involved with the Harvard study, said: "An average set of genes will allow you to live to your mid to late eighties. To get another 20 healthy years, you have these disease -resistant genes." | ||
Edward |
Hi Rita..Savio..and All....:-) I fully agree with you Rita...that there is a Big differece between a Predestined Partner and a SoulMate. I have met people who are in many ways looking/ seeking for their SoulMate. But we must acknowledge...that a Soulmate is more or less an Earth-Term...for someone that may have many things incommon as the one looking. Even I...have had this experience. And I must say...it mostly comes/came from the female I encounter. I am very surprised...that this does manifest from the female partners. I dare Not ask this to my Males freinds...and will just get a funny look. Alas. So the term Soulmate...to me...is more a mate that one has manifested with in former Lifetimes...here on earth. This was a Trend with many New Age Movements...I had noticed. So we must not see it as a Creational Law. Just an Earthly Trend. And a Predestined Partner...is just what the word means; Finding One...to Make your time on earth With. Eventhough..you may Not have many things incommon. But to my knowledge...we will surely Meet the Mates...that belong to our liftime. And as I understand it...you Always meet the same mates again...and meet new ones...if this should be part of your New Evolution Experience(s). And as Michael mentioned...a 3 year periode before marriage...We people of earth have a long way to go....to reach that Level...of Creational Law. But they too...The Plejarans...have to Work at a relationship as you know. So...I must think that they too...meet the same mates in new incarnations...and new ones..also for their Spiritual growth...as we do. I would say...we can use the term: "EvolutionMate(s)"...then Soulamte(s)? After all...we All Make the Evolution work....Together! As Billy has mentioned: "Creation gives Us a Hand....and We Give Creation...a Hand." (Something like that....:-)....) Take Care...Be Healthy.... Edward....(Alias....Mr.Ed....:-)...) | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Steve, It has been mentioned on this forum before that polygamy does indeed help control population. Polygamy in itself is a form of monogamy only in the plural. A man in a polygamous relationship enjoys a true monogamous relationship with each wife individually. The only difference is he has more than one wife. Then there are those men who have only one wife. But the majority of men and women are single. This is not an assumption. I just don't remember where I read this. One of the other members can verify this statement as fact, according to what either Billy or the Plejarans have said. This of course would also help control the population. But no one if forced into a relationship or coerced to remain single. It is entirely an individual preference. However it is interesting to note that the more highly evolved males and females are in polygamous relationships. This is to assure the preservation of the species for the future. But they are not any better than anyone else. Semjase is a perfect example. Even though she was once married, she has remained single for many years. She could have married Quetzal if she wanted to. She was asked by his wives to join them, but she had other interests. Do you think she would have been able to contribute as much as she did to the mission if she had the anxieties and responsibilities of a husband and children to take care of? I doubt it. Even though she has made many sacrifices, her unselfishness and devotion to the mission has made a tremendous difference. A single person can do more for their own spirituality and for the mission. (TJ 20:14) Michael, It is exciting to hear the news about gene research. When they do make further progress in isolating this gene, this will be only the beginnig. To truly lengthen our lives will depend on the whole evolution. Our thinking, meditations, our environment, food and other factors, including bringing the population down to reasonable limits. Salome, Lonnie | ||
Linda Williams |
Hello Rita, Something you said in your post of 2/05/02 really caught my eye: I agree that soulmates don't exist, but a predestined partner is not a soulmate. Can you elaborate a bit more here? Does this concept apply to our planet Earth, or is it, as far as you know, only a Plejaren concept? Personally, my own research in precognition leads me to belive in the possibility of "predestined events," partners included. I heard a rather moving story from Dr. Steven Greer of CSETI about that very occurrence when I attended one of his seminars in Mt. Shasta, California. He shared with the participants there a dream of his where "ancient teachers" appeared to him and showed him a woman who they claimed would be his future wife. Some years later, Dr. Greer met "Emily" when she was in the Peace Corps, instantly recognized her, courted her (keeping his dream a secret!), and eventually married her. He added, "We have not had an unhappy day in our lives." (Eventually, he did share his dream with her.) I know of other dream visions similar to this that suggest a "precognitive/predestined" quality of events that lead to marriage or partnerships. What do you think the difference is between a predestined partner and the "non-existent" soulmate? Looking forward to your response, Linda | ||
Rita Keoughan |
You seem to already understand the concept. I don't really know much more about it. Soulmate: which has already been explained previously in this forum. This does not exist. A predestined mate could be someone we were already married to before. There are many predestined persons in our lives, such as the teachers and spiritual ones to whom we are drawn for our evolutionary growth, such as Billy, for example. It might take us a long time to find these people if we are on the wrong track for many years because we do not follow our intuition. Salome, | ||
Anthea |
Hello, I have a short time of access to the Internet and would like to interject here. It is my opinion, and understanding, that the concept of "destiny" in this instance is incorrect. Unequivocably we are responsible for all our actions and decisions in life, these have consequences and can lead us into many directions in our futures. The same applies to meeting our "mate", which has nothing to do with "predestiny". One can look at it this way: If predestiny does exist in the form that is currently proclaimed by the proponents of popular new age beliefs, then this would mean that the freedom to make our own decisions and guide our own lives is not possible. This is the same as believing that a higher force is guiding our lives and that we are not responsible for our actions, etc., at all. It is possible in a current life to meet (without predestiny) a person that we loved and were married to in a previous life. Since love does not ever die, a union between the two people is possible again and highly likely. However - due to rampant overpopulation "meetings" such as this is now a very rare occurence for many people. Another example of meeting the "right" one in a current life is the fact that "like attracts like", which has more to do with compatible vibrations than predestiny. Regards and Salome until next time, Anthea | ||
Rita Keoughan |
It seems strange to me, Anthea, with the way that you and Andrew met, that you would not believe in predestiny. salome, | ||
Linda Williams |
Hi Rita and Anthea, This discussion really boils down to the age-old philosphical dilemma of free will vs. predetermination, doesn't it? I agree that we are given vast amounts of free will and are responsible for our actions. But there does appear to be instances of "event clock" phenomena in our lives as well, those events already in existence in time/space that are predetermined and foreseeable, through precognition or prophecy. I think it's very possible that some partners are already united or reunited before they actually meet. A romantic fairy tale? Dr. Greer's story is quite exceptional, especially when he states We have not had an unhappy day in our lives. That's a statement of extraordinary compatibility that clearly does not reflect the usual ups and downs of a relationship. I'm inclined to believe that even the "meant to be" relationships still require work on the part of both partners for the union to be successful. I think Valentine's Day must be creeping up on me *s* Linda | ||
Brock Bradford |
Hi All, Do you really think it is possible to remember someone from a past life when all memory of our past lives is blocked from us in our present evolutionary level?... I have always romanticized the notion someone was known to me in the past ... I wonder if I'm in delusion? | ||
Anthea |
Hi Linda, Rita and Brock Linda - I think it is more a case of "being in the right place at the right time" than predetermination. This means that through free will decisions were made to place oneself in a position - whether this is for good or bad. There is nothing prophetic or precognitive about this. The meaning of "prophecy" is simply a warning of events that could, or would, take place in the future if the current situation is not changed through acts of free will on the part of the individuals involved. Rita, I will answer your post privately. Brock I don't think it's so much a matter of conscious "rememberance" as a "hunch" that this was a person one had loved or known in a previous life. Like I said, overpopulation is strangling such wonderful instances from occuring more and more. Regards and Salome, Anthea | ||
Linda Williams |
Hi Anthea, I must respectfully disagree. What is prophetic or precognitive is the seeing of a future event that plays out in "recognizable" ways when an individual meets up with salient and specific details . . . in such a way that there is a "gestalt" knowing. I love this area of discussion, as it was my graduate thesis work when I was considered a "heretic." Ultimately, my thesis concerned itself with the "Implications of Precognition." The implications return to the dilemma of free will vs. predetermination, and the body of evidence seems to suggest that there are predetermined events in our lives. And a whole lot of free will as well!! Linda | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Hi Linda and everyone, I tend to agree more with Anthea. What is prophetic or precognitive is the seeing of an event that MAY or may NOT happen. Just as prophecies are not "fixed" events, but only a possibility based on current trends at the time, so too, what we may see into the future may or may not happen dependent on not only our free will, but our ability to discern and adjust. For example, once in the village where Billy lived, Billy saw an event occur that, if fixed, could have killed him. If I am not mistaken, he saw someone shoot him in the chest with a gun. Before this occured, Billy put a plate over his chest to protect himself and when the person shot him he escaped injury. So, if what is prophetic or precognitive is fixed then this would rob us of our free will to decide, choose and change for the better. However, this as we well know is not the the case. Regards, Lonnie | ||
Rita Keoughan |
I wanted to check my records before I went on about this topic. During the summer of 1994 when I was at the Semjase Silver Star Center, I asked a Figu Kern Gruppe member about this very thing. I was told that we are born and there are already some things which are predestined. I was given the analogy of a house with its frame already constructed but the purpose of the rooms still to be determined. There are certain things, purposes, meetings, working together on certain projects (the mission) which are already planned for us in our lifetime; we have planned them before birth. I am not certain whether we decide these things in spirit form between lives or whether we determine them subconsciously all throughout our evolution and plan things lifetimes ahead of time. But there is a framework for our life, it is very loose because it isn`t marked in stone. It is highly probable that we could end up never meeting certain people that we had planned to meet because of overpopulation and the fact that people are reincarnating at the wrong time. Also, we have our free will to chose at all times, that`s for sure. So, it seems that it is so loosely predestined that it could be called all those other things you have all mentioned! that`s all I know. Salome, | ||
Scott B. |
Hello I think it is a mix of both. When Billy was very young he was given the choice to accept or reject the mission. If he chose to accept then a certain set of probabilites was set into motion which in a sense was predetermined, because one event leads to another. Consequently, it would seem that this logic applies to any situation. Although we always have free will to accept or reject there is some type of probability involved based on the coming and going of physical events. If we are supposed to learn certain lessons, to me this implies a type of predestination, but at any time we can reject the experience, but it may come back to us in a different way. If you live a certain way this sets into motion a given direction which brings along with it certain types of experiences and learning. We can change the way we live and this will bring with it a whole new set of experiences. Wasn't it true that as a result of the peace meditation, certain new probabilites were set into motion, which resulted in a whole new set of events. I think this is the reason why the Book of Prophecies contains many prophecies that either have been altered or will not come into being as originally stated. Just my opinion...... Salome Scott B. | ||
JAY |
To all, I think there is what we call a set of probabilities, they go different directions like part of Creation, we can move and manipulate what creation does but at the end it will come back to us harder after a period of negative build up. I guess when we grow closer to creation we will be able to undestand physical events. The higher development we go the more we will be able to grasp the more in harmony we can be to Creation. One example of this is American Indian Spiritual undertandings and the way they see the world, I beleive they have been very spritually advanced thru all generations BE WELL | ||
Anthea |
Hi all Thanks for the info Rita. I have to agree with some of your comments Scott. It all still boils down to one thing - with the decisions we make at every second, minute and hour that goes by we are creating our futures all by our lovely selves, through the use of our own free will. The funny thing about this is that the future we set ourselves up for with one decision can be changed again just as quickly and easily by another decision or course of action. The point is that we are still in control of our lives and futures at all times by what we do in the present. In my opinion it is perhaps incorrect to apply the word "predestiny" to this situation as a correct description because it can lead to a misunderstanding and falsification of a truthful teaching. I will explain why I feel this way: The teaching of the use of free will is contrary to the popularly held religious belief that "God" controls one's life in all respects - and that the individuals involved have no say about how to live their lives either in the present or the future, i.e. "it is all in God's hands now" is a popular saying. In fact, religion is the sole reason why the popular and false teaching of "fate" and "predestination" is in existence. The exact meaning from the dictionary of the word "predestined" or "predestination" is as follows: (theology) the doctrine (usually associated with Calvin) that God has foreordained every event throughout eternity (including the final salvation of mankind) My whole argument against predetermination was because of this very false notion that we don't have any control over how our futures will turn out, which was the impression which was given by the previous posts about this subject. However, I do agree that there is a framework at play, Creation is order and not chaos after all. BUT ... we still have the freedom of choice to decide if we want to go left or right within this framework, or even out of it if we so choose, but we have to expect that we will suffer consequences one way or another. Also, personally, I would not call this 'framework' "forordained, predestined, etc." because in my opinion the "framework" is consisting of a set of laws and directives and has at its main thrust "evolution." To evolve we have to make mistakes and learn from them - and how else do we make mistakes but through exercising our own free will? An example: One of the laws of nature (thus of Creation) is that every action has a reaction, or, "you will reap what you sow." If we did not have this freedom of choice to be responsible for our own lives, then we would not be able to learn through our mistakes and evolve. Regards and Salome, Anthea | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hi all, An interesting article dealing with overpopulation etc. in: Scientific American Magazine February 2002 Page 84 titled "The Bottleneck". JP | ||
Scott B. |
Hi Anthea Thank you for your ideas you expressed your point very well. It had never occurred to me the religious influence that may be present in our ideas about "fate" and other similiar concepts. Salome Scott B. | ||
Norm |
“...democracy cannot survive overpopulation. Human dignity cannot survive it. Convenience and decency cannot survive it. As you put more and more people into the world, the value of life not only declines, it disappears. It doesn't matter if someone dies. The more people there are, the less one individual matters." –Isaac Asimov | ||
Jean Pierre Lagasse |
Hi all, It is interesting to note that in laboratory experiments, Rats (for example) in overcrowded conditions show the same aberrant behaviors us humans are observing amongst ourselves presently. JP | ||
JAY |
Hi Norm, Creation is right and exact through all existences and conciousness. Creation will certainly level out the conditions we live by applying the laws and directives which help eliminate these negative flaws of overpopulation, Democracy or any kind of man made non-Creational systems will fail until we begin to grow in conciousness and understanding of the spiritual Directives and universal laws. As humans we need to learn the idea of over population and how to keep the balance so these things such as mentioned by Isaac Asimov do not fulfill themselves even if they have already. The plejarans have mentioned the overpopulation issue and how creation makes changes for this. BE WELL Norm | ||
Anthea Cossette |
Hi Jay, I agree to disagree with you heh? It is not Creation per se that will level out the conditions we live in (this is like saying "it is all in God's hands"). But rather it is the human being himself who shall achieve peace, harmony, freedom, love, etc. by heeding and aligning his life according to Creation's directives and laws. The human being has the right to practice free will - he may choose left or right and either choice has a consequence for positive or negative. ...The plejarans have mentioned the overpopulation issue and how creation makes changes for this I do not recall reading anything about this; that the Plejaran's have mentioned that Creation makes such changes as you mention. Can you clarify this comment for better understanding and direct me to your source for this information? Thanks. Salome, Anthea | ||
Glenn McKenzie |
Hi Anthea, I think Jay is refering to: Creation makes the neccessary changes whether they're Negative OR Positive. Meaning we can take whatever direction we wish, but Creation's direction is to balance and move forward. Whether it's through atmospheric changes, disease, volcanic eruptions, etc., it WILL bring balance! What we see as Negative (plagues, etc.), in Creation's views this may be Positive to keep evolving! Just a view. Take care, Glenn. | ||
Anthea Cossette |
Hi Glenn, So are you saying that evolution will occur regardless of the path we take, i.e. path A or path B, or even C or D, etc.? If this is what is meant then I can agree. But the difference is that we make it easier or more difficult for ourselves to reach that ultimate goal by the decisions we make. Creation is neutral - it just IS. Salome, Anthea | ||
JAY |
Hi Anthea, The way Glenn detailed it is more or less what I meant. An example to what I mentioned in many cultures before the advent of religions, the American Indian (The HOPI)for example has known these concepts throughout time in their own cultures and it seems fitting for them, they are in HARMONY with the earth as well as all other spiritual forms of creation for many centuries before Europeans came along. Creation made the best possible possitive balance for them as well as the earth to make things neutral to how they lived and grew spiritually. This is just one good example of what I refer to above BE WELL Anthea & Glenn | ||
Glenn McKenzie |
Hi Anthea, I think Jay is refering to: Creation makes the neccessary changes whether they're Negative OR Positive. Meaning we can take whatever direction we wish, but Creation's direction is to balance and move forward. Whether it's through atmospheric changes, disease, volcanic eruptions, etc., it WILL bring balance! What we see as Negative (plagues, etc.), in Creation's views this may be Positive to keep evolving! Just a view. Take care, Glenn. | ||
Norm |
How the heck are we going to stop overpopulation when Economists keep telling everybody this. "Economists say that by 2015, Europe will face a declining population. It will need more immigrants, not fewer, if states are going to pay for the pensions and health-care systems of a graying population." http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0%2C1413%2C36%257E11%257E607947%2C00.html?search=filter | ||
Edward |
Hi Norm... Hope you are doing fine... Yes, you are very correct on what you've posted! Europa is becoming Grayed...and so there does have to be a certain amount of people that have to "Come-in" to make The Systeems Work. I have noticed it in the country I live in. Some politicians want to keep the people coming-in Back..when they Know they Need those people to make Their country Work. So...I guess....They have to Use..."Common-Sence and Logic"..to make it all work...and Not fight their Politic-ideas with eachother. That is No Way....to Solve the problem(s). Take Care...Be Healthy...Norm... Edward... | ||
Norm |
"Its just obvious that you can't have open immigration and a welfare state." Noble award-winning economist, Milton Friedman | ||
Norm |
As long as Gov'ts let this kind of irresponsibility continue we will never control the size of the population! I was floored when I read this. Slain father left 16 kids at age 21 04/12/2000 TORAINE NORRIS News staff writer [Article Removed] Moderator: Norm, since you have a link to your article (below), there's no need to paste the article on this board! This has been mentioned many times in this forum. http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/Apr2000/12-e413656b.html | ||
Edward |
Hi Norm... Hope you are Fine...now..after your posting..  Yes...it is very very sad that that incident happened. Not a nice experience for all those in the family. We are indeed living in Hard times now. Will Not smoothen. The Same is manifesting in my country...alas. Take Care....Be Healthy...Norm... Edward... | ||
Norm |
Edward, There is no balance! It would be nice if you would read what Billy wrote about this topic, and what is going to happen if its not stopped. You can dream all you want, but your scenario is not happening. Billy's scenario is! I suggest you read what Billy wrote about Overpopulation. There is really no more for me to say on your argument because its not the way its happening. PS Just because it helps you doesn't make it right! I'm tired of people trying to justify a bad policy by saying its ok because it helps them. What about all the skill people that the West steals from the Third World, when the Third World needs them more than we do. | ||
Norm |
Even when a country in Africa has a to much immigration from a neighboring African country it causes a major disruption for that country. | ||
Edward |
Hi Norm... Well I just want to try and make clear...in despite of the direction we are going...we can still "Slow-Down" that Over-Population cycle. Ofcourse...I Do understand what Billy is making clear to us all. He is Right...without a doubt. As we have abit of our Fate in Our hands...to Direct it as best as we can in the right direction. I can see Clearly We are losing. Without a doubt..alas. So we Can Balance it out...Now...While we Can. Again..To Slow-Down the Over-Population Process. Sure I am Conscious...our planet is Full and can only hold +/-500 million People. We are Far Over-Populated! But I am just trying to make Clear...we Can "Slow It Down"...the process...and do something about it...then just do nothing. Take Care...Be Healthy...Norm... Edward... | ||
Edward |
Hi Norm... When I mean Balancing-Out...I mean...in a country. That..that country is Not Over-Populated. Just to make this clear from misunder- standing....;Planet Over-Population and Country Over-Population. We must not get these two mixed-up. Because we were talking about Migartion...and Over-Population..ok. We Lost Already anyway....with 6.Billion-Plus! That I am Very Very Conscious of! Take Care...Be Healthy... Edward... | ||
Norm |
In news I came across today, more proof that Immigration is part of the problem. In other news from the conservation front, the immigration realist organization Population-Environment Balance proudly announced that Edward O. Wilson author of the landmark book Sociobiology, and Pulitzer Prize winner for On Human Nature, was joining their Board of Advisers. Wilson is one of the greatest living Americans. Lauded by Tom Wolfe as "the new Darwin," he's the world's leading expert on ants; the founder of the biodiversity preservation movement; and the dean of sociobiology. In his letter accepting the organization's nomination to its Board of Advisors, Wilson said, "I have read the materials you sent and found them based on data, reason and generally good will toward all Americans—including legal newcomers, whose reduced numbers we both envision as necessary for a high quality of life for generations to come.... I believe our country badly needs an open discussion of population, engaging as much science and good will as can be mustered. It is time to break the taboo." | ||
Edward |
Hi Norm... Yes, I read your link. Well it is very intereseting. We'll just have to wait and see if the bill gets through or not. But it is a very interesting matter. Keep me posted with this matter when there is an outcome ok? Take Care...Be Heatlhy... Edward... | ||
Anthea Cossette |
Hi Edward, You said: "we have abit of our Fate in Our hands" It has been clearly stated that WE are COMPLETELY responsible for our own fate, and this can be proven adequately by applying logic. It is a cop-out to think that someone else will come after us to clean up our mess - especially the mess of overpopulation. Just how do you propose to "slow down overpopulation"? With the false humanitarianistic attitude of the richer countries must help the poorer countries? This is illogical. I agree with Norm, it is a waste of time trying to flag a dead horse. ;) Salome, Anthea | ||
Edward |
Hi Anthea...again... I was merely trying to make clear...that We can take that little bit of fate..into our hands while we can instead of doing 'Nothing'. Ofcourse...in a Logical manner. I am Very Conscious of this. Well, concerning "Slowing-Down" I refered as I stated in the other Posting to you reacting to my posting; It is just better to do 'Something' while we can...then doing Nothing. That is just what I was refering to. It be World Over-Population or Country Over-Population. Ofcourse, as I also mention was We Are Lost! Without a doubt. And I have read what Billy and the Plejarans said about this. I surely Do agree with what they have said. But also...ofcourse some Politics also have a hand here...alas. I agree with you..My intention was Not to Flag out a Horse... Take care...Be Healthy... Edward... | ||
Edward |
Hi Anthea... I would like to add: Well I would just find it very 'Illogical'...if we just sat there with our arms over eachother and do Nothing! And let those countries in Need...go to "Damnation"...so to speak. I don't think...this is what Billy and the Plejarans mean. If we can Aid in any shape or form...then we should try to do so. Again...it Not being a 'Handout'...to clear any Misunderstandings here. In a 'Guiding' manner. We All have to Work Up the Evolution-ladder. And stand on our Own feet...ofcourse. Take Care...Be Healthy... Edward... | ||
Edward |
Hi Anthea... Hope you are doing fine... That there is no further Misunderstaning(s);...I was refering to FIGU-Manifest nr.38: " Our principle is not "Live and let live" but rather "Live and assist others to live." As Me just having a Humane/Passion=Gentle Feel(ings)...feeling which is Totally different...than be a 'Humanitarian'(or otherwise); both words having a Different Definition. Just like I like to 'Socialize'...with friends and others...which is Totally Different...than being a 'Socialist'. Also having a Different Definition. I am just Edward...not Left...nor Right, not Up...nor Down..., Not Forward...nor Backwards...and Not Above...nor Under. I just Utilze..'Common-Sence..and Logic'...and at times.."My Heart"..when needed. In Combination...when and where-ever It Is needed. Take Care...Be Healthy... Edward... | ||
Norm |
Alert: "Population Reference Bureau Presents the 2002 World Population Data Sheet, outlining poverty and birth rates worldwide. LIVE on C-SPAN at 10am ET" Today. Or live online here http://www.c-span.org/ I'm sure it will be repeated tonight and archived online for later viewing. | ||
Norm |
Here we go again, in todays New York Times. "The reduction in population growth is actually a good thing on almost all fronts," said Dr. Paul Beaudry, a professor of economics at the University of British Columbia. But, he added, "It still can put some countries into fiscal problems in terms of paying for old-age security and things like that." These dynamics can cause havoc in pay-as-you-go retirement programs, where younger workers pay for their elders' benefits through taxes. In 1958, Dr. Paul A. Samuelson, a Nobel laureate and professor emeritus of economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, demonstrated what is sometimes called the "biological rate of return." The benefits paid can keep rising, as long as each generation grows in size. "The pay-as-you-go systems work as a nice Ponzi game when you have a big increase in population," Dr. Samuelson said in an interview last week. "Everything goes in reverse when you're in a declining population." http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/20/science/earth/20ECON.html I wish Billy would address this issue. | ||
JAY |
Hey Norm, Yeah I read the Article and simply so backward of them to think in this manner. Did you happen to also look at the picture on the right of the article??... it is a shot taken in India of a bunch of kids coming from school, they are shown on top of this carriage like wagon, they seem to be all bunched up together like animals, is quite a embarrasing scene. I hope one day Billy can speak in a national forum about these things as you have mentioned. BE WELL Norm | ||
Norm |
World Bank Predicts Catastrophic Global Future By Larry Elliott Economics Editor The Guardian - London 8-22-2 New York City in 2022. Half the 40 million people in the swarming metropolis are unemployed, the air is thick with pollution, food and water are as precious as jewels. This was the world of the future as envisaged in the sci-fi thriller, Soylent Green, in 1973. Now, according to the World Bank, it could come true unless there are dramatic and immediate changes to the way we live. Read the rest here. http://www.rense.com/general28/cata.htm I would like to add that they steer clear of suggesting that we need to reduce the worlds population, because that could be construed as racism against the 3rd world. | ||
Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu |
Hi Norm: I think WWIII will take care of this problem, it would wipe out 2/3 of current population, radiation damage will last for decades, Edgar Cayce describe year 2100 in New York as a leveled city where people still rebuilding... Time to find a vacation home in Chile is getting closer and closer.... Hampton | ||
Edward |
Hi Norm.... Interestintg article you've posted. Yes, I do agree with you. We All..All over our planet should Direct Ourselves to proper Birth-Control. I would not Only blame the 3rd world countries for the Over-poplation as some do. As we look at our Own Western countries...there are still Many 'Teen-mothers' and very much Uncontrolled offspring in marriages and Non-marriages...and Single mothers...just not wanting a marriage, but do want children...at the costs of the government(s). So here we too...have Fatherless childeren. This too does not add to a good outlook for our future. I still feel Over-Popluation is a World-Wide problem. It is just a pity...the 3rd world is just being Too Focused upon...alas.(if we leave the Quantitiies aside for a moment.) Some do not always want New-commers to come in their countries, and say their country is Over-Populated, but they should be Conscious of the Uncontrolled Breeding in their Own countries. Which Also Contributes to the World and their Own Country Over-Population. Even if there were No New-Commers....We Would Still have the Over-Population manifestation! So, I would think the rich and the poor countries aswell.. would have problems in having to support them in there daily needs. And ofcourse...it has become an Endless Cycle...alas. Take Care...Be Healthy. Edward... | ||
Edward |
Hi Hamptom... Are you going to move to Chile... ...(Just kidding......) Did you ever hear what happened to a great english adventurer? Well, he lived more than half of his life in Afrika between the most Viscious Lions, Tigers, Crocodiles and most poisonish Snakes...go so on. Well, one day he went back to england...and stepped out of his hotel..and guess what happened? 'He got Ran-Over by an automobile!' So, I guess when it your time to go...it will be there. Well, as Jmmanuel mentioned: When the time comes of when there is 10 times 500 million peoples there will be metal machines that will shoot projectiles of Fire. And if it were not for the the Celestial Sons and for those who Acknowledge the Laws of Nature and Creation...there would not be One human being left on this planet to outlive the Great War(s)in the end. And that is why...the Days...in those times Will be 'Shortend'. For the sake of the mentioned above. As I can make out here...; We are Really being 'Lucky' with the Help of the Celestial Sons. 'Giving us a chance!' As I would say we should be Greatful of them. Not to foreget Jmmanuel noticing that in those times human beings would just Do and Live as they pleased. And Still..will Not Change! Take Care...Be Healthy. Edward... | ||
pureharmony |
Maybe but there are too many "ghetto children" whose parents (in America) subsist on welfare and produce more children so they can be lazy and not work. The people that I know like this arent even kind to their children. They just let them run around all dirty and dont really look after them, unmarried and promiscuous, leaving the children with unbalanced family life, and only a mother to raise them, all the while the mother is fulfilling her own selfish wants. The children are the ones who suffer in these instances!!!! I think population control should start in America!!! (where i am from) I feel so strongly about this | ||
Norm |
Pureharmony, I couldn't agree with you more. What they need to do is lessen the Food Stamps and Social Services. The more children you have the less Food Stamps etc. you get. It would change things real fast. My Nurse who's from Haiti worked with a another guy in a wheelchair whose sister had five kids with three different men, she knew the Gov't would help her even more and they did she got more Food Stamps and free Healthcare. Her kids lived in filth, my Nurse almost quit the case because it was so bad. She didn't have to because the guy in the wheelchair died of an overdose of crack. When Clinton changed the law she got her ass to work and stopped having kids. But Clinton didn't go far enough. If we don't take a hard stance on this Western civilization is doomed! | ||
Brock Bradford |
What do you think of the notion that one should apply for a permit to have a child... Pass some sort of exam... and go before a review board to see if one is fit to have a child...? | ||
Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu |
Hi Edward: I am not kidding, (second time on this forum I said this)I plan to move to Chile, if the actual signs in contact note 251 start to show up. No actual location in Chile has been determined though, I was thinking about La Serena, 3 hours drive north of Santiago, but it was kind of expensive. Maybe in the southern Chile, where a lot of German population settled, then I will have more help in reading German FIGU books there. If earth human beings can only learn from billions of death, then so be it, it is extremely unfortune if WWIII will happen, but the trend is clear, we are heading to the war. I usually hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.(kind of like I prepare to settle copyright with FIGU, in the worst case senario) Also I think the second prophet will be in south hemishere at the time of WWIII, because at that time, though Semjase Silver Star Center will survive the nuclear war, but all the infrastructure in Europe will be gone, no phone, no TV, no internet, maybe just radio. Pope will escape to South America, and the church will finish over there, millions of people will lost faith because of the collapse of church, many of them will convert to Christian, but second prophet may spread the spiritual teaching over there, thus correct spiritual teaching can last and grow in this part of the world. If there is no WWIII, there is no need for the second prophet, since the FIGU is doing such a good job in spreading the teaching. Only at the time when FIGU can hardly survive, the second prophet will be put to work... Hope I am worry too much? Hampton Chiu | ||
Shannon Gaul |
Brock- i have been thinking of the same idea! Its a good idea, but I am not sure how something like that would be regulated. Most likely there would be some opposition. | ||
Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu |
Hi Brock: Now this is a really decent idea, but our social security will collapse, our economy will shrink for next 10 generation due to lack of demand, and our national debit(for USA) will need to be paid, if WWIII happened, our federal bond holder will most likely in the process of reincarnation, so we don't have to worry about paying off the 6 trillion dollars debt. Maybe that is why our federal government is still borrowing like crazy? Seriously, I am all for your idea. Hampton Chiu | ||
Edward |
Hi Brock...and All... Hope you are doing Fine... Yes, very interesting what you have posted. I do not know if you are familiar with; that when a Plejaran couple go into matrimony they Do have a Strict Physcial and from thereon tested. From hereto...they can make out if the couple is suitable for offspring. And I would still stand Behind the Birth-Control methode being practised in China.(as I once mentioned on this board before) As I look back into the mid 70ties and from there on....there were many Women-Movements...here and in whole Europe..that found that their Right..in Belly...was more Important than thinking of the World and Country Over-Population...and Brith-Control....Etc. Now...I still Wonder....if those Women have Opened their Eyes.. and can See what their additute has brought us. I am All for Womens-Rights....but in this case..those Ones..they should Not be Selfish...but Think of the Aftermath....and World Consequences. So I would not find it a bad Idea...to Ask Permission when it comes down to having childeren. As I would say: "It is Easy to Become...a Mother and Father....but BEING a Mother and Father... is a different case!" Take Care...Be Healthy. Edward... | ||
Norm |
Hospitals Feeling Strain From Illegal Immigrants http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/25/health/25IMMI.html I love their solution Tax us more. So Illegals get free care. What happens when future Overpopulation causes there to be more Illegals than citizens. | ||
Brock Bradford |
Hello Shannon, Edward, Hampton…. and all Appreciate your views…It seems to me in order for controlled population growth/limits to work here on this planet, we would have to have a group of highly evolved spiritual beings to create the testing and sit on the panel to judge if the couple was worthy of raising children. Other wise the negative situation would be that only those of certain racial types, wealth and connection with power groups would be allowed to have the children. I think eventually the day will come when androids will be the most practical labor force and those not very evolved beings who now rule the Earth could take harsh measures that are not keeping with the higher laws of Creation to eliminate some of those who are considered to be of the slave class. Especially when the day of realization penetrates our collective thick skulls that we have truly made a tragic mess of this planet with over population. | ||
Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu |
Hi Brook: My idea about getting permission to have a child will be: any couple is free to have up to 2 kids, but beyond that, the couple need to prove to government or a community committee that the 3rd kid will have reasonable safe environment to grow up. Of course, if a couple, married or not, decide to have less than 2 kids, they will be welcome to do so. In contact note 251, it stated in the future, if you have bad/damaged gene that can not be restored to original gene combination, you will not be allowed to have any child, that means the bad/damaged gene will be excluded from gene pools that will past to next generation, it is kind of cruel, also in the future, people will slaughter those human with altered gene to have the nerve exposed to control the space craft. Overpopulation is still a major problem in the future. Hampton Chiu | ||
Norm |
Billy really woke me up about Immigration. If anyone wants to see how insane the U.S. Immigration policies have become go to the link below. There are so many groups fighting for ILLEGAL Immigration and Open Borders its unstoppable. Everyday I read the most insane stuff I almost can't believe it, but its true. If we don't stop Overpopulation and the Immigration its causing the World is finished! http://www.steinreport.com/ If anyone cares, join http://www.numbersusa.com/index its free and you can Fax their alerts to the US government with a click of the mouse. | ||
Norm |
"Hispanic "leaders" don't speak for Carmen Diaz and Marlene Guerrero. We entered this nation legally and respect its laws and are determined that it not go down the same paths to overpopulation-driven poverty and environmental degradation as our native Honduras and Peru. Studies show the opportunity to emigrate keeps such countries from dealing with their own population and political problems.Immigration and high immigrant fertility rates are driving a U.S. population boom that could mean our children will, by 2050, live in a nation of up to half a billion people. We are angry that politicians subvert the wishes of Americans who, through our replacement-level birth rates, show we want to stabilize our population growth rate. Immigration - at five times historical norms, rates higher even than during the Great Wave of 1880 to 1915 - is sending our population exploding even as we struggle to come to grips with water shortages, sprawl, species extinction, failing schools, social problems and inadequate infrastructure. " http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/opinion/article/0,1299,DRMN_38_1448561,00.html | ||
JAY |
Norm I applaud you for bringing this information to the forum here. This is so accurate and to say Billy woke us up is strongly supported by me as well. This world has no idea what is doing to all the nations with this immigration issue. I believe the PLEJARAN views should be enforced to Scientist when it comes to population. I think it is something which the world needs to look at closely. BE WELL Norm. | ||
Norm |
Jay, Help stop it, join www.numbersusa.com Its free! | ||
JAY |
Norm, I will stop by the site and add my possitive feed back and join in. | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Which scenario is worse: Living in an overpopulated world with no RELIGION, or Living in a normally populated world WITH religion? In my estimation, we can tolerate religion, but overpopulation is far worse. Any thoughts? | ||
Scott B. |
Hi Lonnie, I don't know if its possible to have a society that is not over-populated and still accepts a religious belief system. I have a story which illustrates my point. About 2 years ago I met this Mexican woman at work. Over time we have struck up a friendship. Through the course of conversations I have discovered she has 11 kids, which I had a hard time believing and accepting. She is unmarried and the possibility of finding a mate in my estimation is pretty slim. I have asked her in a number of ways has she considered birth control. Her response is, "she doesn't believe in it." Well this is based on her religious beliefs, and she feels it would go against "Gods will" to use any type of birth control. As the course of the friendship has developed, I have pointed out the hardships she is imposing on the rest of her family, herself and the community in which she depends on to aid in funding her large family. I have also been able to get her to think that it goes against the laws of nature in a sense to overpopulate beyond her means to take of her children. Because of her behavior, the children are suffering from lack of attention, and this is causing behavorial problems. Recently I finally made some headway with her, she is now using birth control. This took almost a year of convincing her, but she is finally seeing the illogic behind procreating without thinking of the consequences. So my answer is, an overpopulated society is and can be the result of erronous religious thinking. Can we have a religious society without overpopulation, my answer is no, from what I have observed. Interesting ideas, thanks for bringing it up. Salome Scott | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Hi Scott, Interesting story. I have been to Mexico and I was stunned at how overpopulated that country is. When flying over Mexico City, it looks ten times more congested than Miami. It is a disaster waiting to happen. Certainly religion, particularly the Catholic Church, is very influential there. However, I remember reading that according to Billy there are are other planets that are overpopulated. Whether religion is the cause for their overpopulation, I am not sure. In ancient times when the Earth's population was below 529,000,000 there was still a problem with religion. Could this be the primary cause of our overpopulation when other planets are teetering on destruction with no apparent problem with negative/backward belief systems (Religions) as we have on Earth? If religion on Earth is unique in the universe and is not the main problem with other overpopulated civilizations, then there must be other serious factors that contribute to this life threatening epidemic. Or, perhaps there IS a problem with religion in other civilizations though not as complex as what we see on Earth, but complex enough to cause total global destruction? It has been said that Christianity has even influenced and destroyed other planets. Salome, Lonnie | ||
Edward |
Hi All. What is better...To live a Life One with Nature....or to Live a Life with Religion...that make their Own Rules...apposing the Laws of Nature and Creation? Well, I would Surely Not live with Religion...that make their Own Laws..as we can See from the past up till today..what it has brought us:'Brothers Fighting Brothers...Sister Cursing Sister...Etc.' When you Live a Life as Nature intented...you will Respect it and All...Not like Religion...People Hidding Behind a Godhead...and letting this Godhead Take Control...where One Has No Freedom to Think and Do for Him/Herself. And if that Godhead would say Kill that man...you will do so even...Alas. As if One wishes to Multiply...and One lives according to Nature..it will be doen with Common-Sence and Logic and Love..which will let One bring a child into the world...with True Natural Cause and Purpose. Not becuase...a Godhead said: "Go and Multipy". And when One starts to become Scrupulous. As it is said in the Christian scriptures..: "Go and Multiply!"(Which I can remember very well at sunday-school and found this rather 'Odd'.) Well, many christians I Know and have cross paths with Surely kept theirselves to this Practise. They took that Line as being Truth from their Godhead. So, here is were the 'Over-Populations' Starts!(For Almost 2000 years) So, this was surely Not a wise Line...in the scriptures. Thats How Strong...it can Influence an individual(s). Thats where Religion...goes 'Stale'..and becomes Dangerous.(it be Any Religion) So this has also Contirbuted to the Over-Populations..without a doubt. So I would rather Stick to a Wise Teaching and Wise Philosophy..which are the Closest to the Laws of Nature...and Creation. Live Up to Their Rules(Directives...etc)..which is Common-Sence and Of Logic...and the Use of One's Brain and Heart(at times)and Intuition...than Letting a Godhead do Your Thinking! Which Can make One a Slave of. Do not Misunderstand me...I am Not condeming the people who Practise Religion...but the Religions that Practise The People! As some of us may Acknowledge...Many Are Misled Human Beings...as Jmmanuel Mentions..in details. Edward. | ||
Edward |
Hi All. I would like to add: In the past I did do some research over Global Over-Population and I came across some surprising findings. Forinstence, there are Religions here on earth...that 'Consciously' Multiply...because if there are Great Religious Wars...they would have a hand..in overwinning..because they have more Fighting Forces. So, they wished it always to be a new borned 'Boy' than to have a girl child. So, Religion(s) Does have a Hand in the Porriage...as they would say....here. So their main goal is to have move Manly offspring. And I must say...those Religions have been Successful.And this also has contributed to the Global Over-Populations...Alas. Edward. | ||
James the truthseeker |
Greetings all, I think it's time that we bring this religious overpopulation thing up with Green Peace, Amnesty International, World Vision, etc, to start and international campain against the Cathlic church in these countries and then to the Muslim countries in Africa. If people will protest over the abortion issues, then we can do so with overpopulation issues. What you say everyone, lets do it! Peace, James the truthseeker | ||
Norm |
James, Most of these groups don't dare talk about overpopulation or immigration its not PC to do so! They will never slam the Church. But guess who's not afraid, "I am convinced that some political and social activities and practices of the Catholic organizations are detrimental and even dangerous for the community as a whole, here and everywhere. I mention here only the fight against birth control at a time when overpopulation in various countries has become a serious threat to the health of people and a grave obstacle to any attempt to organize peace on this planet." – Albert Einstein -- letter, 1954 | ||
E. Visser |
Hi all. I'll agree with you that overpopulation is a serious problem.This planet doesn't have the resources to fullfill the needs of so many people.If I can make a suggestion,in the western world countries (like my own) the birthrate is dropping.The population numbers are only slightly increasing due to asylum seekers and immigrants. Some researchers argue that the western world is stabelizing in population and that only the third world countries have an increasing population. The increase of people in the third world countries lies not solely on religion allthough it does play a big part.Another point is lack of resources,no contra-ceptives or even the money for it to buy them.There are also cultural reasons for many children not to mention that the parents are counting on there offspring to provide for them when they reach old age. Regards, TerraX | ||
James the truthseeker |
Thanks for the information Norm, Politically correct or not, I'm not going to hesitate in the future to let that stop me!, even if I have to take this to the Art Bell program. We need to form some activist groups concerning this issue and get it out there to the media. Peace in doing, James the truthseeker | ||
Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu |
Hi Norm: Remeber Alert Einstein also received Plejaran impluse? I remembered reading somewhere he is on a list of all contactees in last century? Hampton Chiu | ||
Norm |
"No problem poses a greater threat to the planet than population growth, Nelson said, adding that immigration is the chief reason for U.S. population growth that if unchecked will nearly double the U.S. population to more than 500 million sometime after 2050. He took the nation’s leaders to task for failing to address immigration issues and also pointed a finger at the media for ignoring the problem. “They don’t want to touch it,” Nelson said. “Neither does Congress. Neither does the president.” Nelson also called for the president to begin delivering annual state of the environment messages, and for Congress to begin hearings on the chief environmental problems facing the world. “Until the Congress and the president understand what it will take to achieve sustainability we will never achieve it,” Nelson said." http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/news/archive/local_6604398.shtml Gaylord Nelson was governor from 1958 to 62 and a U.S. senator from 1962 to 1981, and championed environmental causes in both offices. He may be best known for Earth Day, an event he founded in 1970 that’s now observed annually across the world. He’s served as a counselor to the Wilderness Society in Washington, D.C., since 1981. | ||
Edward |
Hi All, Some of you may have read the papers and seen on the TV-News..(?)that the Pope uriging the people in Italy to have more childern! As it has Declined in Italy. Instead of being Thankful and Greatful that the Italian Men and Women have maintained "Birth-Control"...by 'Awareness'...he says the opposite! As he mentioned that it is said in his Holy Scriptures...to bare more childern: Inotherwords..."Go and Multiply"!(as I once mentioned in a previous posting) Can you imagine what for Impact it will have when Catholic/Christian Followers all over the Globe...live up to what he has said! "Here We Go...Again....."Over-Population!".. " Edward. | ||
James the truthseeker |
Greetings, Here is what the Pope had to say concerning this: http://tampatrib.com/News/MGATCBUOJ8D.html In Canada, the cost of living has increased to a point where people can no longer afford to have children and the Baby Boomer generation is reaching retirement. The country is therefore headed into bankruptcy. The caucasian population is on a large decrease as "wealthy" asian foreigners pour into the country which adds to a further drain on the economy because they leave their wealth in foreign banks to avoid taxation. All government services are now being shut down as a result! Peace in knowing, James the truthseeker | ||
E. Visser |
Hi all. Unwise words from the Pope,I agree.I would like to point out once again that the European population growth is grinding to a halt.If it wasn't for the immigrants who procreate according to their cultural believes off there home countries the population would soon decrease. In my home country,just like in james-t-t,foreign people are producing more offspring than the indigenous people.Our western busy lifestyles prevents us from having many children not to mention the financial burden that comes along from having many children. Edward,I'm curious if the Moslim and Hindu beliefs have the same 'go forth and multiply' demand.Would you happen to know if they do? Thanks, TerraX | ||
Edward |
Hi James-T-T... Yes...I am Conscious that there are Asian People and their companies take part of the western Market over...just as other peoples have..beforehand. Even Arabs and Jews..with wealth. Thats just part of the Captialistic Manifestations of making the money keeping Circulating. So I guess some governments are Failing to keep their Own Market 'In Balance'...alas. Just like it is in many other western counters..even where I live. The above is just 'Common Knowlegde' for some. It is just a "Cycle" that is Repeating itself...I would say. Everybody is Playing "Monopoly"...now. Edward. | ||
Edward |
Hi Terra-V.... I have no answer to your question. Anyway we look at it...it just comes down to Country and World Over-Population with the Unwise words of the Pope. Was my point. Like it is Known that Italy is very Strict letting people in it's country. And they watch their border very strictly. And it is "Closed" for imgrations. So they do not want to let people in..also because of what James-T-T mentioned... which I was aware of. Even trying to come in by Selecting...is out. So their "Balance" is being Broken-Down by the Pope's Unwise words. Edward. | ||
Norm |
"India is on the verge of a sociological time bomb waiting to explode, due to the large number of genetically manipulated births. As in China, everyone wants a boy and in a population which already exceeds one thousand million, the practice could create a dangerous imbalance, with many more males than females in the near future. Many women visit fertility clinics, where they are implanted with male embryos. The defenders of the practice claim that in the past, baby girls were killed or women went to have abortions when they discovered that they were carrying a female child, while others were badly treated by their families if they gave birth to a girl instead of a boy. The desire to have a boy comes from old traditions. A girl has to bring with her a dowry at marriage and many poor families cannot afford this, while there is also a custom in Indian villages whereby the son lights the funeral pyre of the parents. A census conducted recently showed that there is already a marked imbalance between the sexes in India, with boys outnumbering girls by 1,000 to 865 in some areas, and even by 1,000 to 796 in others, according to figures in The Times newspaper. In Punjab and Haryana, the states where the practice of female infanticide is more common, husbands have to bring in their wives from other areas, while in some families, brothers share a bride." http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/11/28/40101.html | ||
Rita Keoughan |
This type of thing will certainly promote homosexuality because female spirits will be forced to reincarnate in the developing male embryos. In turn, these homosexual males will not propagate, which ought to reduce overpopulation. Had you thought of it in this way before? Salome, | ||
Edward |
Hi...Rita and Norm, And what is very Typical...is the case of the young girl child being killed..or in other ways...; will Result in a Situation of..."What you do Not want....You Will Get/Receive." So..the Ones Practising this Act...Will only..Surely Drive themselves in that Direction...of Consequences...in Time. So I would surely agree...that the female Spirits would to some extend enter in a Male body...and we can not close-out...males being Directed to Homosexuality by 'Themselves'...Not because of a female Spirit within it's body... but also out of "Pure Necessesity... of the Urge of Urgent Sexual Desires". Which then Results... in most cases into Fully Homosexuality... as a living Being... in his next Incarnation. "Directed and Executed and Created"...By Himself. And as you mentioned Rita.. Will "Automatically".. "Stagnate"..the Creating of Offspring. Reducing Over-Population. Edward. | ||
savio |
Hi Rita & Edward According to FIGU, spirit is energy, has no physical body and no sexuallity. Could you give us more details on Female Spirit? Regards Savio | ||
Rita Keoughan |
Hi Savio, A spirit form decides which sex it will be in its next incarnation before it enters the womb to embody a fetus at three weeks old. If all of the embryos are selectively, due to interference, male, the females have no choice but to enter these embryos to be reincarnated to continue on with their evolution. Human spirits do have a gender and although they can switch from one gender to the next, it is not an instantaneous process. Unfortunately, I cannot give you a reference from FIGU materials to go to. I learned this through conversations with Kern group members. Salome, Rita | ||
Edward |
Hi Savio and Rita.... From my own opinion..; I would surely Agree with what Rita mentioned concerning that some Spirits can be In-Body(from within the womb..ofcourse) through "Fast Processing". When we look at the 6 Billion-Plus of human beings here on our Over-Populated planet Earth...I would surely Acknowledge that our Mother Earth's Consciousness would have a very difficult task in processing the many Spirit-Forms into it's correct bodies. So there are "Exceptions" being made. If we were populated as it was intended to be..with the 500 million...the Processing of Spirit-Forms would be less a big task to realize. And Manifest in a More Contructive manner. So we can conclude...Mother Earth's Consciousness has to Process 12 Times...as much harder..as what she can Truely handle. Thus, leaving her not much options than to "Improvise" to some point.. to let the Process Still be Fulfilled. Eventhough it may seem like "Chaos"...I would say..."Chaos in an Orgianzied Process"....Still. And we most not foreget...how the situations would be like on The Beyond-side. Also having a great task of hard workmanship to fulfill each Spirit's destiny...as best as it can manifest. So it would Surely be a very very difficult and hard task for Both to Fulfill and Synchronize this Process of the Reincarnation Cycle...to Still be Functional for Mother Earth and All her Free Spirit-Forms which aid her. This would be my conclusion...from my own studies. Edward. | ||
chiuwang |
Hi Edward: Just to contribute my thought, when Plejaran mentioned that 500 million people live on their planet, and that only means the planet can sustain the right amount of people materially, not spiritually, if 500 million Plejaran is the right number of human spirit a planet like our size can sustain, then our planet, Terra, can only sustain 50 million, since we live only to les than 100 year old, and Plejaran live to 1000 year old. Peace. Hampton | ||
JPLagasse |
Hi all, Discover Magazine, January 2003 Page 40 Article by Michael Abrams: "Population Bomb Fizzles" "... If these trends continue, the population of the world may reach 9 billion by 2050 and level off at around 10 billion by the end of the century --- 1 or 2 billion fewer than earlier predictions." The text goes on to say that we won't ever see a population of 12 billion. Whether this is true or not, I don't know. Just passing on what I read... Regards, JP | ||
Edward |
Hi Hampton... Yes, I was Conscious that it was Material related for that amount of Spirits. And for our Earth to sustain 500 million or the 50 million was not that clear to me. Eventhough earth humans have a lifespan of about 100 years. I can still remember it was 500..could not remember it being 50 million when calculated with the 100 year lifespan. Moderator: Back in the mid-70s, it was calculated by the P's that the Earth could sustain no more than 529 million people. Your information may be updated results I have not come across as of yet. Edward. | ||
Edward |
Hi Hampton... I just happened to have picked-up "And Yet...They Fly!"...and was skimming...through it till I stopped at - "WARNINGS! Unbridled Overpopulation - ". In chapter 14, page 303. I remember having this as being a source of information. "At this point, the number of Earth people increased to an intolerable extent within a relatively short periode of time, so that today(1990), we have already exceeded the maximum tolerable limit of five billion and are thus totally overpopulated. Our planet cannot bear this for any length of time. It only provides enough space, food, raw materials and so forth - without mankind's intervention against the laws of nature - for around 500 million people(529 million to be exact). Under ideal conditions, this would mean not more than an average of one dozen inhabitans per square kilometer of productive acreage. One of the largest problems of our time is the immense overpopulation of Earth. The majority of all grievances can ultimately be attributed to this fundemental evil." I would think this would speak for itself. As 500(529) million people in-housing...500(529) million Spiritual Consciousness. Which would be more then enough for our Mother Earth. It does not mention anywhere further the concerning 50 million...by calculated with the 100 years lifespan. Or did Guido Moosbrugger...happen just to have left it out? Edward. | ||
Norm |
"The Moslem population of the world has been exploding, not only in Asia and Africa but also in Europe and the United States. Unlike the Western democracies, China, Japan and India, all of which try to control the birth rate in order to raise living standards, most Muslim countries regard demography as a political weapon. They will gladly export their surplus population to Europe and America, aware that the bigger the diaspora, the greater the political influence it will exert, and the more concessions the Islamic world will be able to extort from the West." http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=5239 | ||
Norm |
I had to post this. This guy hit the nail on the head, Billy would be proud! LETTERS TO THE EDITOR The Vatican's Role in Overpopulation Re "U.S., Mexican Bishops Urge Bush to Resume Migration Negotiations," Jan. 25: I am more than a little tired of the Catholic Church blaming the U.S. for the problem that it created and is in the unique position to eliminate. The world, including Mexico, has limited resources. Overpopulation stretches these resources to the breaking point. When the pope forbade the use of birth control, he created the conditions of overpopulation, extreme poverty and desperation that forced mass illegal immigration to the U.S. If this pope were an honorable man, he would admit the mistake and allow the use of birth control. Furthermore, as head of the Vatican, a sovereign nation and an extremely wealthy international organization, he could eliminate the problems tomorrow. If he loved the people of Mexico, as he professes to do, he would invest some of that money in making improvements to Mexico's schools and hospitals and create an infrastructure so that businesses and the people could thrive there. Instead, he chooses to further oppress and exploit the helpless people of Mexico and blame others for his actions and inactions. Frank Vera Redlands http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/letters/la-le-vera30jan30.story | ||
Scott B. |
Great find Norm! |
