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Author Message Marc Moderator Post Number: 178 Registered: 10-2000 Posted on Sunday, March 07, 2004 - 11:38 pm:        Hello Anonymous and Jacob, First I'd like to thank you, Jacob, for your contributions to the forum. You certainly have a lot of knowledge about the teachings and many people (myself included) will have a lot to ponder, for sure. As Scott had asked, however, I would only ask that you please preface or footnote your information more frequently with a source so that the reader knows exactly where you obtained the information, e.g. Geisteslehre/Spirit Lessons, Existing Life in the Universe, etc., and with a Lesson number or Bulletin number where it may apply. You may have done this on occasion, but many of these posts will soon be archived and a newcomer to the forum will not recognize from where you are speaking. If something is coming from your own opinion or elsewhere, it would be good to ensure clarity about this by prefacing with such a statement. Thanks again. I'll post some information concerning the comprehensive-consciousness-block (CCB) (I believe Jacob referred to it as the "whole-consciousness block") and the spirit in the Spirit, Spirit Forms and Psyche section that may clarify some things about these two components and the so-called "Speicherbänken" or memory/storage banks, aka, the Akashic Records. Regards, Marc Phaethonsfire Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 12:09 am:        Hello Marc, I will put a footnote or preface more often as you request, but many people don't follow the Geisteslehrebriefen so I only can comment that it comes from the Geisteslehrebriefen. I want to say that I am of course reading the German material and that in German the comprehensive-consciousness-block is called the Gesamtbewusstseinsblock, which I translated the whole(gesamt)-consciousness(bewusstseins)block(block). Sorry for the confusion. When I study the Geisteslehrebriefen, I only stick to them when it concerns spiritual knowledge and wisdom, etc, the only other knowledge used is scientic knowledge that is in direct relation to a certain topic that I am studying, I rarely if ever use philosophical information that comes from elsewhere, except the Kybalion, but this information has been published in wassermannzeit itself being one of the few true things that can be found in the world not direct comming from Billy, in fact it proves Billy's information in a big extend. Thanks for posting additional information. Jakobjn Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! Phaethonsfire Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Monday, March 08, 2004 - 12:18 am:        Anonymous, The comprehensive-consciousness-block stores everything that is felt, thought, seen, heard, etc, everything imagineable during a personslife time. The comprehensive-consciousness-block is a part of the Spiriform itself and can't be destroyed, so it remains all the information it had when a planet gets destroyed, except it needs to wonder off into space finding a new suitable planet to incarnate, but first it needs to process its information in the comprehensive-consciousness-block before it can incarnate in a new body, you can imagine that the destruction of a planet is an obstacle for the spiritual evolution, it slows the Spiritform down because it needs to search for another planet, and in the meanwhile when its searching its evolution is stagnated. Jakobjn Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 02:41 pm:        I have some questions concerning the Akashic Records and its purpose. Perhaps someone can help. 1.Does the code within the German text send out a sound vibration, which I assume is how impulses from the Akashic Records are generated to enter the subconscious? 2.Is the purpose of this to activate certain knowledge and wisdom learned in a previous existence? 3.Does this help us evolve? 4.Can it become conscious, or does it always remain in the subconscious? Phaethonsfire Moderator Post Number: 303 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 03:07 am:        1. No, the code doesn't send out a sound vibration, the code is transferred over from the material consciousness to the material subconsciousness and material centralconsciousness, after which its transferred over to the spiritform. The Spiritform connects via spiritual vibrations to the appropiate Akasha record vibrations after which it obtains information-impulses that matches the code. Those information-impulses are send back to the Spirit and the spirit relays those impulses back via its spirit-subconsciousness to the material subconsciousness. Those information-impulses then appear in the material consciousness (personality) as "intuitive" impulses, like sudden ideas, understandings, new thoughts, etc How ever its the task of the material consciousness to use these information-impulses in a logical way. 2. Partially yes, depending on the age of the Spiritform (and it evolutionary level), wisdom and knowledge from previous lives are accessed provided the wisdom and knowledge is existent. If that knowledge and wisdom is not present, then other akasha records will be accessed which contain the information-impulses conforming the code. According to the Natural Creative Laws higher knowledge and wisdom is stored in higher vibrations, while lower knowledge and wisdom is stored in lower vibrations. This is a safety law of Creation to prevent that a human will access more information from the Akasha records then his/her evolutionary level will allow. Its never possible that a human will be able to access more information that is too high for his / her evolutionary level simply because he / she is simply not capable of generating the high ranging vibrations to access more knowledge then his / her evolutionary level will allow to digest. 3. Yes, but totally depending on your own effort to use these impulses for your evolution, its totally up to your own efforts and interests to use these impulses. 4. Yes, it can be very conscious and done like accessing a computer, but the safety laws in (2) still apply. I hope this helps. Jakobjn Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 02:51 am:        If the code doesn’t send out a sound vibration but is, as you say, transferred from the material consciousness to the spirit consciousness, then it would seem to me that during the process of exchange from the material to the spiritual in the central consciousness our thoughts are translated, or converted, to impulses, and vice versa during the process of exchange from the spiritual to the material. But now I want to ask, are thoughts therefore a coarser type of energy impulse allowing some sort of communication to occur between the material and the spiritual? Edward Member Post Number: 419 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 12:47 am:        Hi Joseph.... You were prefering to "Sound Vibration"; in most Universal cases, Vibration is a form of "Frequency" WAVE-Transmission. A good example would be to observe the Ocean and it's Movements of WAVES. As this is called in technical terms "Doppler Effect" named after the Austrian mathematician and physicist, Christian Doppler(1803-53) Thus it being WAVE Transmissions of a particular "Frequency". Thus, I guess One may call such Transfer - Spiritual WAVE(Vibration) Frequency Transmission. Edward. Dplotmach Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 07:13 am:        Hello, I wonder how reincarnation can be proven by logic? How is reincarnation such a evident "fact"? Pureharmony Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 08-2002 Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 11:55 am:        Hello Dplotmach, Have you seen the real true life story about Audrey Rose? It is a medically and scientifically documented movie about a true story of re-incarnation. I highly suggest seeing it, for those who have not. It was produced into a movie in 1977, based on real happenings. The title of the film is simply "Audrey Rose". One should be able to find a used copy of it on Amazon.com, perhaps. That is where i got my copy of it, though i had seen it when i was about 9 years old. Then the ending of the story is a shocker... a real 'jaw dropper'. *pureharmony* Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 02:12 pm:        Dplotmach I have always found observing the natural world a good way to understanding the meaning of life and existence. When I want to prove to someone that reincarnation actually occurs, I take a flower as my example, which springs forth from a seed, reaches its full splendour, withers and then dies, only to make its return the following year from the same seed. This to me is evidence of reincarnation observed in the natural world. And I see no reason why the life of a human being shouldn’t be subject to the same, or similar, law. However, unlike the flower, a human being isn’t able to return from the same seed from which it originally developed; it returns from another seed through the procreative act of another human being. It is the spirit within the human that returns from the same seed. And what do we know of this? We know that it is energy, a very fine spiritual energy. And what do we know of energy? We know a lot, of which I understand very little but for one thing, that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but only be changed from one form into another. If our spirits, then, can’t be destroyed, when our physical bodies die, they must go somewhere. And if they go somewhere isn’t it plausible that they can return to the world in another human body? Mhurley Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 10:29 pm:        Dplotmach, See this link for many book refs http://www.tjresearch.info/rebirth.htm Markc Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 06-2000 Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 01:05 am:        Exactly by logic . The body dies and can't be useful anymore . The spirit lives on (if that is in your belief , then why ? Can that be proven by logic ?) Since it lives on , shouldn't it become useful, more useful than ever , since it has received a lifetime of education and afterward , contemplation ? Logically yes , but even so , " A horse can be led to water , but cannot be made to believe in reincarnation ". Good question ! Mark Mark Campbell Edward Member Post Number: 422 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 02:39 am:        Hi Dplotmach and All.... Well, I must say that Joseph has spoken some very Beautiful words...here! My compliments...Joseph. Shannon also adds very good Light concerning Reincarnation with her mentioned film. Which Is A Must SEE. Connecting with Shannon's idea: I would recommend you see the film "The Reincarnation of Peter Proud"..also from the mid-70ties. What struck me in this film at the time when I watched it in the 70ties was the Characteristics of "Impulses"; which is mentioned by Billy and the Plejarens many many times. In this film, comes up front, the very typical characteristics of "Impulses" or Habits(Uncontrolled Impulses) which betrays the Personality of Peter. In short: Peter was murdered in his former life. He, of course, Incarnated back very very Quickly - very instantaneously -...which is LOGIC, because, he was Murdered and did Not finish his previous life-Cycle in a Natural manner. Peter, in his NEW Incarnation, had the Same Habits/Impulses as he did in his previous Life-Cycle. And what was the case; the Killer had noticed these Habits and feared that is was Peter...Again..but in another Body. And the Killer(s) were so Convinced it was he...thus, that they had to Kill this Personality..ANEW! One would come to Conclusion: if they Murdered him Anew..they would face the SAME Life-Cycle..over and over Again...till it is "Neutralized" from this scenario of murder(ing). Seeing, that not only Peter had Impulses...but Also...The Killers! The rest One should see to have More Understanding of the full impact of the story... "Pleasant...Recycling.." Edward. Hunter Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Sunday, October 03, 2004 - 05:24 pm:        Jakob, Are the spirit forms in the akashic belt around a planet that becomes dead or dormant (Mars for example) and can no longer support human life simply stuck there until something happens to allow the planet to once again support life? Or are they able to free themselves and travel to a nearby planet to continue their evolution immediately? Phaethonsfire Moderator Post Number: 314 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Monday, October 04, 2004 - 12:28 am:        Hello Hunter, First of all there are no spirit-forms in any akasha-belt in any planet. The Akasha-belt can be compared somewhat like a electromagnetic-field which stores everything that happens on that planet. This Akasha-belt doesnt harbor any spirit-forms, neither pure-spiritforms, human spirit-forms or animal spirit-forms. Human Spirit-forms are only bound to human life supporting planet when there are actually humans present, at the moment when support for human life ends on a planet, their bond is broken and they can wander out to find other planets with human life in a similar spiritual evolution level. If a planet like Phaethon explodes or like Mars becomes inhabitable then spirit-forms can wander out immediatly. Would that not be the case and spirit-forms would be tied to a dead or dormant planet anyway, then they could be stagnated since by far most planets dont support life again. In worst case they would be stagnated for billions of years until the moment that a planet disintegrates fully into energy over time. Mars will be an exception because Earth-humans will restore its climate again, but this is more exceptional then the rule in the Universe that a dead or dormant planet will support human-life again. Like everything material, a planet or a sun has a limited lifespan, and depending on its nature, that lifespan is smaller or greater, but always limited. So in overview: No spirit-form resides in the Akasha-belt, and when a planet dies, explodes or becomes uninhabitable for human life, all spirit-forms will wander off and find other planets that can support similar developed human life. I hope this helps. Jakobjn Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! Hunter Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, October 04, 2004 - 11:58 am:        Jakob, Yes, thanks. One question for clarification, if human spirit-forms are not bound to a planet by the Akasha-belt, is there some other specific fine-matter "mechanism" that binds them, or do they stay there by the power of their own individual energy? Also, in regards to reincarnation, what general criteria does the spirit-form use in determining which body to choose besides location?(I know Billy has said that the older a spirit-form is the more likely they are to reincarnate in countries with human rights, etc.) For example, does the spirit-form choose its parents? And finally, once it is in the body, does the spirit-form work to cause birth at a particular time to benefit from certain astrological energies? If so, for what purpose? Thanks, Hunter Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 08:12 pm:        Hi Dplotmach: How is reincarnation such a evident "fact"? I don`t know if i can answer you clearly, but i would like to share the following thought with you(and the board): Consider animal species in nature around us. (Fishes, birds, trees etc...) They live the same than way than they did 500, 1000 or 2500 years ago. Humans however lived differently 500 years, 1000 year ago and even more differently 2500 years ago. They is definitetly a material evoluation and a civilization evolution among humans that you don`t find in animals or plants. (Unfornutately spiritually we seemed to have stalled for the past 2000 years ...) This would be a proof that somehow unconsciously humans are learning from past existence to evolve further in their current life, whereas animals just live (in harmony with nature though!) EXACTLY the way their ancestor did 500, 1000 years ago. Definitely it seems are humans evolve over time. So how could it be if there was no re-incarnations of spirit? Salome Eric Hunter Member Post Number: 127 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 03:56 pm:        Anyone know if the Plejarens have said anything in regards to Electronic Voice Phenomenon, that the new movie "White Noise" is about? I was wondering if this is an actual phenomenom or just some kind of hoax. If its real, I was thinking it might be some kind of "feedback" from the Akashic records? (One of the main sites for EVP is http://aaevp.com in case anyone wants to look it over.) David_chance Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 10:49 pm:        This is talked about in Contact 7 (25 Feb 1975). In Stevens its pages 88 (sentences 201-210) and Stevens' footnote #3 on page 94. 202 ..."here radio amatures often allow themselves to joke". 203 "On the other hand, many of those contacts are caused by communication means of cosmic travelers." 204 "Also the thoughts of human beings play an important role, and often intrude themselves as listenable voices -- and that not only on tape recorders -- but freely audible." 205 "Often a searcher for tape-voices unconsciously imitates a pleasing voice by his thoughts, and so transmits exactly the answer into the tape-recorder, which he wants to have or to hear." 208 ..."so do also exist real tape-voices, which indeed come from spiritual beings of different finematerial worlds". 209 "But such are few, like real mediums." Claes Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 02:28 pm:        A short note: After checking in the German new Contact Report book, Block 1 page 67 (paragraph 224): What W Stevens translated as ..."spiritual beeings of different finematerial worlds".(paragraph 208 above). Instead of "spiritual beeings" the word "Gesamtbewusstseinsblocks" (=the Comprehensive-Consciousness-Block (CCB)) is used in the new Contact Book. The rest of the translation seems to be accurate. Salome, Claes Phaethonsfire Moderator Post Number: 337 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 12:54 pm:        In the course of human evolution, spanning over many lifetimes the conscious-related and spiritual abilities are developed. It is so that in each life every human has to re-learn his or her consciousness-related abilities from the ground up because in each life, every person starts over with a new and fresh consciousness/personality which is void of any knowledge and wisdom. When a human lives and evolves up to a point where he discovers his consciousness-related powers and abilities, it will take a long while before those abilities are developed, this because the first development of something new is always the hardest to do. In this life, it takes for example 10 years to learn primary telepathy. The knowledge, experience and wisdom gained during this life isn't lost, but is stored in the Akasha-banks, and in the spirit itself. Now when a human dies and is reborn in to a new life, his new consciousness is completely blank, but a bit more powerful then the one in the previous life due to evolution in the spiritual realm. When the person learns again in his new life, and learns again about those consciousness-related abilities and powers, the connection between Akasha-banks and his material subconsciousness make it possible to learn much faster then in the life before. The knowledge and wisdom gained from the past life and stored in the Akasha banks appear as mostly hints, or epiphanies or inspirations, etc, while in fact those hints, epiphanies and inspirations are impulses of the Akasha banks. This system enables a faster evolution in this life, and learning primary telepathy in this life doesn't take 10 years, but for example 7 years, because those impulses help the person learn much faster then in the previous life, this goes on and on in each life, securing evolution. Each life accelerates more or less the next life in terms of evolution, so its important to learn as much as possible in this life, so the next life will be easier and higher levels can be reached. In each life the human has to work for his abilities, and work means making mistakes and thereby evolution. Would a human be aware of his consciousness-related abilities from birth then he wouldn't bother with developing them any further and evolution would stagnate. The other side to this is that it's initially impossible to learn everything about a given consciousness-related ability in one life and therefore it needs to be developed further in the next until a certain relative perfection is given, even then evolution does not stop and goes on until the unification with Creation itself. As long as humans are material they are still subject to illogic and must therefore consciously and willingly develop their abilities, this only changes in the pure spiritual realms starting with Arahat Athersata because in that realm conformation to the laws and commandents of Creation is absolute in anyway. Jakobjn Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona! Truthseeker Member Post Number: 109 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 07:19 pm:        OK so after we die, what exactly do we experience? Is experience only subject to personality (continued changing condition-response)?, or do we float around in complete nothing like mindless robots until we reincarnate again with new personalities? Are we no longer self aware after death anymore then a rock?, or are we always dreaming of bright flower fields and heaven like settings until we wake up again developing a new personality in a new incarnation? Is the Akasha in anyway related to the Van Allen Belt? Do our personalities go on living their lives as thought form entities in eternal bliss in the Akasha but now separated from our spirit forms like ghosts? Truthseeker Phaethonsfire Moderator Post Number: 338 Registered: 01-2004 Posted on Monday, January 17, 2005 - 04:26 pm:        James, As long as the spiritform is bound to a human body it's consciousness is a evolutionary-consciousness which is unconscious, but it's not like a 'mindless robot' as you say, its working with all the Natural Creative Laws and Commandments of Creation in order to sort out all the experiences from the material life and transform them into knowledge and wisdom. The spiritform is perfectly logical, but how could the spiritform exist as a logical conscious entity in a human being while dealing with a partially logical/illogical material consciousness? It would be impossible, because in order for a human to learn, he has to make mistakes, and making mistakes is making illogical decisions and actions. It would be a unparalleled paradox and conflict in the human itself because his spirit and material consciousness would be in a utter state of conflict, the material consciousness, the personality HAS to make mistakes, which are illogical by nature (mistakes itself are illogical, but not the act of making mistakes, since that is a natural thing for evolutionary purposes), and that cant be rhymed with the pure logic of the spirit, the material consciousness could not do anything and it could not learn, hence not passing on any knowledge or wisdom it may learn to the spirit. In human material evolution the material consciousness is the active part and the spirit consciousness is the passive part, up to the moment when the human reaches a level of development which allows him to disembody from his material body and enter the realm of Arahat Athersata, the first pure spiritual level of existence, being free from the reincarnation cycle. Eternal life lies in knowing that existence goes on in life and in death and that death is just a change of reality, form the material back in to the spiritual and back again, and that seemingly endless cycle of life and death are overcome by life and death in evolution itself and find their relative perfection in pure spiritual BEING. The comprehensive consciousness block becomes 'obsolete' when the transition to the level of Arahat Athersata is made and the CCB unifies with the evolutionary unconscious spirit conscious to form a Conscious spirit conscious with a unique individuality of its own. This can now happen because there is no need for a material consciousness anymore and the remaining pure spiritual evolution continues in pure logic, pure wisdom and pure knowledge. Dreaming is done by the material consciousnessforms and not by the spirit, the spirit doesn't dream or perceive in this way, because its sensory capabilities and conscious capabilities root in an awareness of a direct grasping of all information as a unified impression, a direct knowledge, a direct awareness, not split up in visual, bodily or auditory impulses, etc being noticed by their subsequent material conscious counter parts, like the visual-consciousness, audio-consciousness, etc, etc The Akasha banks do not relate to the van Allen belts, but they appear similar, but from a different type of energy and function, the Akasha bank energy engulfs the whole planet. No, the personality, or what is stored about it in the Akasha banks remain, but the personality, which is part of the CCB is dissolved and neutralized completely together with the CCB when the spiritform is ready for a new material life so the new born human has a clean slate and a fresh start, over and over again. I hope this helps. Salome (Peace in Wisdom) Jakobjn Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!

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