| Author | Message | ||
    Rick |
Hello everyone This is excerpt from 251'st contact: "The war will begin with conventional weaponry and escalate to nuclear, chemical and biological warfare. The world war will begin in _November_ of a specific year, after 5 years of intensive effort are spent reaching this goal which is preceded by 4 years of unspecified preparations. Should war actually break out, it will last for 3 years and 11 months and will therefore end in October of the fourth year. By this time, Earth's northern hemisphere will be largely destroyed by nuclear fires and radioactive radiation that will annihilate the entire animal and plant world unless Man sees to it that the prophecy proves itself to be just a prophecy without fulfilling itself". All i can say is ,that at this moment i'm scared Rick | ||
E. Visser |
Hi all. I find that prophecy rather vague.We've been living with the prospect of nuclear annihilation since the 1950's.Since the cold war ended the scenario of West vs East has practically lost its plausibilty.Besides the current nuclear powers not many countries have that ability.Right now the most plausible scenario for large scale warfare is the West vs the Arabic world and since the latter has no known nuclear ability it's hard to see how the entire northern hemisphere will be annihilated.I think it's strange that this prophecy is made public since the Figu dissociates themselves from 'End of the World Prophets' in the 'critics' section. Regards, TerraX. | ||
nonesuch |
Rick, I think war is at hand this month. I think there is very good reason to believe that this prophecy has to do with RIGHT NOW. Here is my humble opinion: 1. It is clear that the U.S. has been planning for this war for quite some years. It is clear that Bush wants this war no matter what. It is also clear that the U.N. resolution was written in a way which Iraq cannot accept - on purpose. Also, in addition to foreign plans, the new American Department of Homeland Security is a Gestapo-like spy operation on any American war dissenters. All this was planned long ago. Perhaps 9-11 itself is part of this vast world war preparation. 2. I believe this war could go nuclear because Israel will become involved and I believe they are capable of ultimate atrocities. They will not hesitate to use them first. They have plenty of nukes, but they are not alone. Iran has nukes, Pakistan has nukes, Turkey and probably Saudi Arabia. That's a lot of nukes. America is itching to nuke someone and then you have the Russians and it's satellites. Not to mention 'suitcase nukes' that may already be in America or elsewhere. A couple things I've observed about Bush and Saddam: Bush is stupid and arrogant and Saddam is very clever. And they hate each other. Saddam is not going to go away quietly - I'll bet big money on that. I think he has a big 'surprise.' I do not believe this is going to be another American romp through Iraq with no consequences. 3. My intuition tells me that we are heading for a big payback in the West. I say this will begin this month as the prophecy states. I also feel the world is in such a state of ignorance that this will be good for future earthlings. Nothing like annihilation to get perspective and human compassion going again. I feel that if things remain as they are for much longer, than the entire world will be subject to enslavement by America with very little freedom as we now know it. The New World Order is about making us all drones. It is nearly completed now as it stands. So, which is the better scenario? Sweet dreams, nonesuch | ||
Linda |
Hello Nonesuch and all, For what it's worth, I'm pleased that Secretary of State Colin Powell stood his ground against the Secretary of Defense and other critcs and insisted upon a mandate from the United Nations, rather than acceeding to a unilateral military action on the part of the United States. Frankly, I did not expect the Security Council to arrive at such an overwhelming unanimous decision, but I am releived it did. At least, it appears that "the world" is united against Saddam, and that the USA does not stand alone as his enemy. I, along with the rest of you, am watching the timeline, and it appears that by Friday we will have a response from Saddam. I am hoping for the best of the prophecy, i.e. that" .. .man will see to it that the prophecy proves itself to be just a prophecy, rather than fulfilling itself." Likewise, sweet dreams, Linda | ||
Marc Juliano |
Hi Nonesuch, I'm not so sure if we're indeed upon the same "November" that's referred to in 251. The reason being, I took part in translating a good portion of the Enoch Prophecies which were imparted to Billy by Quetzal in 1987 and recently published in German. There are so many elements in there that seem to point to such a war being possible only after a considerable amount of time passes. For instance, it speaks of China and Russia "breaking out" and conquering many lands westward, which doesn't seem likely (at least right now) given the fact that they're not--or at least don't yet seem--sufficiently armed to take such a course. And it talks about a deadly "spearhead of clones"--conscienceless killing machines--that the USA will head which will cause a great amount of damage in this war, including all the laser weapons and other WOMDs (weapons of mass destruction). It appears laser weapons are still in their infancy (but then again, who knows what we really have). But just like the Destroyer Comet which will no longer show up, the event list given in the prophecies could be altered to the point where things happen much more unexpectedly and without all the consequences that were pre-calculated. I heard that the current Pope is living longer than the Ps originally anticipated, so if there are indeed two more pontificates to follow, according to the prophecies, we could be talking 2020-2040 depending on how long these popes live. Would Billy release prophecies from 1987 (which, btw, mention the destruction of the WTC as being "only the beginning") to the public in the new millenium if they were severely skewed? I find it doubtful. I think you're right that American aggression is going to expand and stir up and incite more hatred, and the USA will be an unfortunate recipient of much of it. But it seems it will take much longer for this all to play out. No matter how likely this scenario seems, we should of course all do whatever we can to minimize the aggression, be it through the peace meditations or actively spreading awareness of it so some people can perhaps take a look in the crystal ball and collectively decide to do something different. (Go Michael!)  Regards, Marc | ||
nonesuch |
This is one reason I like the forum format - it fills me in on so much that I don't know about the contact notes. I know very little really. I hope you are correct on this. Yes, it does sound like it is yet in the future. But, like you say, sometimes the timelines can be different. But if the Pope is still living, maybe that suggests that the timeline is skewed in the more distant future. It is interesting, though, that the U.S. just announced a successful test of its 'laser weapon' - this appeared on Drudge and other news. Also, remember the recent account of the CIA's Predator remote drone plane that killed a car full of Arabs? That sounds sort of similar to the 'conscienceless killing machines' that is mentioned here. In addition, in such an escalation and destabilization in the area, it would be a time for countries like Russia and China to make their own moves. Whatever the case, I still feel in my own intuition that something very large and surprising is developing. We shall soon see I'm afraid. thanks for the info, nonesuch | ||
Hampton Hsien-Ting Chiu |
Hi Nonsuch: I would suggest you to meditate more, and see if you can dig out some more WWIII information from Akasha Records. Personally I agree with Marc about the possible year of WWIII, it may start somewhere between 2020 to 2040. The trend is very clear. Would it be a good idea to charge all of our credit cards to the limit before WWIII happen? Just kidding.... Hampton Chiu | ||
James the truthseeker |
Greetings Nonesuch and others, By the time a third world war shows up, perhaps by then will have some means of space travel. By the looks of things at the moment, we'd better start building ourselves a UFO beamship soon. Should things get a little difficult, then perhaps Billy and Michael can introduce the Saalome peace meditation on the Art Bell show, thus using a collective of many minds. Peace in knowing, James the truthseeker | ||
Linda |
Greetings, I think if you are paying attention to the media world-wide, you will see that many people in many countries are protesting the idea of a war with Iraq. Some of you might consider becoming more "activist" rather than "meditative." Or, actions speak louder than words. Linda | ||
Norm |
I just heard on the news the U.N. resolution has been accepted by Iraq. | ||
nonesuch |
Howdy gang, I am relieved. Yes, today Saddam agreed to inspections. He intrigues me because he seems to be a master strategist. Do you know that he is considered a 'masters level' chess player? It was interesting how they played it. First the Iraqi Parlimant turned down the inspections and then Saddam, seeming reasonable, OK'd them. Sure it is theater, but interesting. I'm sure he saw this coming years ago and took the precaution to get 'goodies' in other countries etc. Saddam will go on looking like he is doing everything to cooperate, thus turning world opinion to be more favorably disposed toward Iraq. This, of course, makes Bush steaming mad. Bush is impatient to get the war going soon while the weather is cool. He knows that he must be in and out of Iraq with a war and its transition long before the next election - in two years. He can't be bogged down with a mess. Saddam has succeeded in pushing back Bush's plans. The longer the war is postponed, the more difficult (politically) it will be for Bush. Look for the CIA to create a 'favorable' incident soon to give Bush the reasons he's looking for. Don't believe what you hear on the 'news.' Today's events by no means stops the war drums. Cheers, nonesuch | ||
Linda |
Hello nonesuch, Yes, the world must be breathing a collective sigh of relief. Clever guy that Saddam. I didn't know he was a masters level chess player, but I'm not surprised. I've been calling this whole thing a chess game for awhile now. He truly does come out smelling like a rose with, no doubt, a big thorn in W's side. I'm personally glad he's got the United States and Britain at bay and the United Nations in charge, or so it seems. I follow your thinking precisely. What "favorable incident" do think the CIA might create soon? Any ideas? I have a feeling you might know "stuff". Or, just to be on the safe side, go ahead and "speculate" away! I'd like to hear your thoughts. Linda | ||
nonesuch |
Linda, flattery will get you everywhere! All I know for sure is that Bush won't let peace break out. I also know that he has to get his army in there before the end of January or February. This is the cool season there and perfect for war. I don't think Saddam has anything in the country so a situation will have to be created. I can't image peace breaking out through February. It could be anything. Image if the local cops really had it out for you and came to your house for a month to look around. Don't you think it would be easy to 'drop' some cocaine somewhere? Whatever happens now will look sort of fishy for America. Plenty of people won't believe that the 'infraction' merits an attack - or they won't believe in America's version of the story. Still, Bush is going in anyway. I'm sure about that. This will make the Arab world even more angry than it is now because Saddam is gaining some sympathy for himself. See ya! nonesuch | ||
Linda |
nonesuch, I appreciate "jaded realism" that could sound paranoid but isn't. I guess that's flattery in an odd sort of way?! I hate acknowledging the Machiavellian strategies of war machines, and I also fear that W's determination to go to war will justify any means of getting there. All's fair in love and war? Really? I wonder if the UN inspectors are capable of outwitting the CIA and the kind of dirty tricks you mention. Probably the only thing I'm certain of is that intelligence operatives will be tripping all over each other. Remaining vigilant, Linda | ||
nonesuch |
Linda, the U.N. is a messenger boy on an errand for a grocer clerk. When the US tells the UN to jump - it jumps. There is no independence there. America has such power now that there is nothing that can stand up to it. America has the power to send a little nothing country a billion dollars a year or to cancel the check. People really don't understand the total control America has on the earth today. America's last enemy is its own people. Ironically, they never planned for a small group of students with microbes. happily jaded, nonesuch | ||
E. Visser |
Hi all. About the new U.S. Army mobile laser weapon capable of tracking and destroying artillery shells.It's a giant leap of weapons technology. I've been in the militairy and had an artillery function some 12 years ago.Back then they allready had laser range finders which could track a shell in flight and compute in roughly 7 seconds where the launch point of that shell was.It stands to reason that they continued to develop the technology.To destroy a shell in flight takes some doing.The muzzle velocity is 1000-1500 Mph easily depending on range and trajectory.There are 2 types of trajectory,flat (houwitsers,artillery) and arch trajectory (mortars).Also realise this,a shell has a thick metal casing in order to withstand the forces when fired.The metal thickness of lets say a 120mm shell is 1cm (half an inch) roughly.The laser has to acquire the shell in seconds since it is a speeding object and has to burn through the steele in seconds.It is a giant leap in warfare and the ones that don't have the technology will have a serious disadvantage. And think about this,if the laser weapon system is able to track and destroy small high velocity objects what else could it target? Regards, TerraX | ||
Linda |
Hello all, About microbes and biological warfare, meet "November's Microbe of the Month!" at this link. It almost sounds like the monthly centerfold of some magazine, but the picture is hardly sexy and is potentially deadly. Linda | ||
Linda |
Also, the anthrax scare may be scientifically explained at this link. Linda | ||
nonesuch |
I've just received my first books and pamphlets from FIGU. I am reading "Those who lie about contacts..." and find it VERY interesting - especially the material on Mohammad. I see that this material is different from the weird English versions of the material I've seen in the past. I'm pleasantly surprised. Most of all I see verification of my strong anti-America/Israel intuition being verified. Here is a direct quote from Ptaah concerning American objectives (1989): "it has been shown by the entire leadership of the United States of America, which knows no shame or scruples in its political practices of interfering in an unjustifiable secretive, treacherous, scheming or openly warlike manner with the affairs of foreign countries, even assaulting them if need be; assailing them with murder and death, as long as it is advantageous for America or some of its authorities. This holds true also for the Israelis who are fiercely supported by America. That this is the case will be clearly and plainly shown very soon once again. As usual, the rest of the world will remain silent, with the exception of some pro-forma reprimands by some countries intent on keeping up appearances and their image, not wanting to spoil their positive relationship with the Super Power USA because of their dependence upon America." In positive arch-crookedness, nonesuch. | ||
mark g |
Last I heard, if Saddam doesn't abide by the UN resolutions, were set to go in late January. You have to remember that the Arab nations don't want a regime change because they also are not democratic. To make Iraq democratic would force them sometime in the future to have to go that route. | ||
nonesuch |
Today Bush announced the new plan for war. Saddam has by Dec. 8 to hand over a list of weapons. Now Bush is saying that it doesn't matter if the list is empty - OR IF THE INSPECTORS FIND NOTHING - it will only mean that SADDAM IS LYING! That will be all that is needed for 'bombs away'. I told you that Bush will not allow peace to break out. Actually we are bombing now every day. Technically the war (WWW111??) has started in November! nonesuch | ||
Edward |
Hi NoneSuch.... Yes, you are very very Correct. Western Allies...are Still at War with Irak..Today..from the day..the North and South Borders...were made. And Both sides...have their own..Border Lines! So...who's border...is the correct one!? If World Countries indeed form an Alliance with eachother..then One Can Call it a World War. So, it IS a Small World War...in the making. At work. If it does not turn into a Real Great World War Three..One can only Acknowledge...that there will be many many Retailiations..manifesting back and forth...and again....We The People...that are Innocent...will have to Suffer. One does Not...have to be Clairvoyant to See this....fact. I would advise Mr.Bush...to make a Dialogue.. instead of making the situation..worse. And Not Take it All...Personal. I can see in his Eyes..that he Really wants the War to be a Fulfilling Prophecy. And he and Rumsfeld share...the Same Feelings. It would be indeed..Sensible...for Mr.Bush...to Listen Clearly to Mr.Powell...and his team. As it is known..he and his Forces...Do Not want to go into a Greater..Stage of War. So, our World Destiny....lies in the Hands...of Mr.Bush. Than I would ask...Mr.Bush:"Is it really worth-it..for all that Oil? You speak of "Consequences"....but do you not no what "Consequences"..you are Creating?" Edward. | ||
Scott B. |
Hello, In regards to a recent posting by Billy in response to the threats of war by America towards Iraq, here are the results of a recent poll. This poll was recently conducted by Time Magazine and was concluded on January 14, 2003. The question posed was: Who is the greatest threat to world peace in 2003? Results: North Korea 9.4% Iraq 12.2% America 78.4% 121,767 people responded to the poll. Salome Scott | ||
Lonnie Morton |
Hi Scott, I saw this poll too. It is not surprising. Another poll showed that most people in the US are AGAINST a war with Iraq. So, if this is accurate, and I think it is, then as Billy said, it is the people in "positions of power" who are the REAL threat to world peace. These people (Bush and Cohorts) do not understand the far reaching consequences of their actions and should be removed from powerful positions of government in a responsible manner by the people. | ||
Edward |
Hi All... From Financial and Economics News TV. Gulf War Estimation Prices: 1st.Gulf War against Irak cost estimation of 61 Billion dollars! Payed mainly by Germany, Japan and the Arabian countries in the surrounding. Whereas a greater portion payed to usa. 2st.Gulf War against Irak cost estimation of 100 to 200 Billion dollars! When/If started by the usa.. "Mr.Bush" would have to pay this bill..by only..."Him/Itself"! Thus...from the Tax-money of the people of the usa! So as One can Acknowledge; One does Not get Freedom for Free! One has to Buy it!! As was the second world war and other wars previous. Edward. | ||
Scott B. |
Hello Lonnie & Edward, I'm am really pleased to see world wide protest against the policies of Mr George Bush Senior and Junior. I just hope the sleeping giant of humanity continues to awaken to the insanity of the U.S. Government and others. Hopefully at some point in the future all of these secret agencies and corrupt individuals will be flushed out from their dark hiding places and be exposed to the people of the world. I have no doubt many of these agencies live in underground areas which are well fortified and protected. No doubt, I'm sure they are completely self-sustaining, with unlimited power and resources at their command. I'm sure there are individuals capable of remote viewing and similar spiritual practices who attempt to search out these underground and secret areas only to find they are protected from mental intrusions. I wouldn't be surprised that some of these bottom dwellers are well versed in certain mental practices in which they can influence the behavior of certain people from a distance, let alone zap someone with some HAARP like device. While these people may think they are free from any worldly obligations, they become imprisioned by their own need for power and dominance. It must be difficult living like a mole in some underground hole, and not being able to poke your head out for fear of getting it knocked off.... Hope everyone has a great week. Salome Scott | ||
Michael |
More grist for the mill: http://rense.com/general33/palst.htm | ||
Edward |
Hi Lonnie and Scott... Here in Europe the Majority in the polls are Also Against an attack on Irak from the "Bush-administration". And many also see Mr.Bush as a real Threat for World Peace. As many People in Europe are Not against the American Peoples...but the present administration of Mr.Bush and his Cohorts. And many people are also "Awakening" to many more facts. But Alas...only a Small Minority...Is Blind To the Facts that is presented to them of this scenario. It is a good manifestation that there is a Global movement of Peace demonstrations opposing Mr.Bush's Scenario. Let there be More who are Awakening and show and let hear...their Voice. Peace Be With ALL... Edward. | ||
campbell |
Unfortunately there are still quite a few who think of themelves as 'patriots' , only because their opinion is to agree with whatever the president does and says .They won't think past this ; in their shallowness , they don't dare to say anything that goes against the actions of their president , even if their president throws them into years of further terror and poverty . Mark | ||
chiuwang |
Hi Edward: About the price of possible 2nd Gulf War, I think USA will take over the oil field in southern Irag, and use the oil as payment to the cost of 2nd Gulf War. And it is not the cost Mr. Bush has in mind, it is the re-election in 2004 and the power he will enjoy after the war. Peace, Hampton Chiu | ||
Scott B. |
Hello, Again as stated on the American Dollar the message could not be any clearer: "In GOD we trust" Where GOD= GOLD-OIL-DRUGS Edward, I am somewhat relieved to hear that peoples of other countries realize that it is the Governments of the world that are causing the problems on this planet. Billy has stated this could bring us closer to World War 3, I just hope people take this seriously enough to realize that we are not just talking about a conflict in Iraq, but a possible escalation which could reach a point that it can't be stopped. Salome Scott | ||
Edward |
Hi Mark, Hampton and Scott, Mark, I Fully Agree with your words. Alas there is still Few that are Blind for the Facts of Reality of the Scenario we are in. Just as there are Few people here...that One can also call "Patriots". "Who do Not Look...Further than the Length of their Nose!" Hampton, Yes...I would Agree Very Much with your Words Also! That is also very clear to me..and I would think others..that Acknowledge the Facts and it's Directions. What a way...to want to Win the next Elections. One would think this is "The Pinnacle...of Scrupulosity". Scott, Yes you are very Correct also. Only a "Miracle" would be in it's place for this event. Yes, all over the globe there are governments making the Wrongs Stances. And "WE THE PEOPLE"...should try and Direct those leaders in the Correct Direction...if possible. My saying is: "There are people that Idolize the 2 G's... -- GELD en GOD --!" Peace Be With ALL... Edward. | ||
JPLagasse |
Hi all, Question: Is the following an accurate rendition of what is actually contained in contact 241??? _______________________________________ " From Contact 241 on February 3rd 1993. Ptaah-Saddam Hussein, will suddenly declare himself willing to fully heed the United Nations sanctions. These sanctions require him to destroy all weapons of chemical and other mass destruction. Due to the fact that he will be threatened with a new war, he will agree to U.N. demands for appearances sake, while secretly continuing to vigorously produce his destructive weapons and laughing at the stupidity of those who believe him. He will be able to continue committing his crimes, such as the torture of numerous people, as well as their abduction and murder, which he frequently carries out through mass executions. It is a fact that is still not fully recognized by those in authority throughout the world, and against which nothing is being done. " The source of the above is from the following FIGU post: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/1497.html?#POST8612 _______________________________________ Regards, JP | ||
Edward |
Hi All... I was studying and reading "The History of Man on Earth - The Chronology of Earth History - " from 'The Billy Meier Index' and what focused me the most was the date of - "2004 A.D. Possible conflict with an alien aggressor". One would think if this prediction comes to pass..We should Now take Masurements in awaiting for this out-come...if it be. In other words: We on earth should Unite into One Unity to eventually Defend ourselves from this in-coming alien threat. And if Mr. Bush Still wants to Execute his Scenario against Irak..(and other countries he may have in mind) he should Think it Over again... and come with a Peaceful scenario. For I would think that the in-coming alien(s) groep(s) would "Thrive" on War, Chaos and (Mass)Death (the ingredients for Dictatorship). And Misuse..the country(s) which have access to "Over-Kill" ...even Without Them Knowing it or be Conscoius of this. This brings me back to be thinking of the scenario as The Gisa Intelligence once manage to let come into realization. Peace Be With All... Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 218 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... Last estimation from the Financial News TV: If the Coming Gulf War comes into realization... and 'Gets Out of Hand'..the last estimation made would be 100-200 Billion dollars up to 'Over'... 1 Trillion dollars! There are some Western and even Eastern European countries...receiving 10's of Billions of dollars if/when their country is avalible for military utilzation. So, One can conclude; That One can "BUY" it's way into the coming War...Alas. Thank Creation...there are still countries...that can Not Be Bought. Peace Be With All... Edward. | ||
James the truthseeker Member Post Number: 186 Registered: 06-2002 |
Greetings Edward, Where is this infomation found, "the Billy Meier index"? It could also be that an "Alien attack" in 2004 may be a way for the Benefactor ETs to intervene on the possible destruction of Earth by George W bush along with Saddam Hussien, Yassir Arafat and Areil Sheron. Perhaps this is something that needs to happen if George Bush and his team have the rest of the world at bay with the threat of total world distruction prophesied to happen by 2006, thus he is stopped in a kind of pre-ET strike first against the USA, and then the others. I once had a dream about this happening in vivid detail following the shot of just one missal fired in the middle east. After all, what good is the Earth to anyone and ETs alike once it is fully distroyed? Cosmic Amnesty, James the truthseeker | ||
James the truthseeker Member Post Number: 187 Registered: 06-2002 |
Forward UN Security Council - Important email campaign to prevent war on Iraq A Healing Among Nations I just spoke with France's UN office. They are BEGGING us to flood their offices and the offices of the other UN offices with emails to STOP the WAR. France needs to know that Americans and Canadians are with them on this. The same goes for all the members of the UN Security Council, who will be deciding the fate of Iraq in just a few days. PLEASE forward this to everyone you can. The UN email addresses are below for the Security Council. Contact info for members of the UN Security Council (Ambassador, email and fax): S.E. Ambassador M. Jean-Marc de LA Sabliere france-presse@un.int (212) 207-9765 H.E. Ambassador Mr. Sergey Lavrov rusun@un.int (212) 628-0252 H.E. Ambassador Wang Yingfan chinamission_un@fmprc.gov.cn (212) 634-7626 H.E. Ambassador Sir Jeremy Greenstock uk@un.int (212) 745-9316 H.E. Ambassador Mr. Stefan Tafrov bulgaria@un.int (212) 472-9865 S.E. Ambassador Martin Belinga Eboutou info@cameroonmission.org (212) 249-0533 H.E. Ambassador M. François Lonseny Fall guinea@un.int (212) 687-8248 S. E. Embajador Adolfo Aguilar Zínser mexico@un.int (212) 688-8862 H.E. Ambassador Dr. Mikha’il Wahbi syria@un.int (212) 983-4439 S.E. Ambassador Dr. Ismael Gaspar Martins ang-un@angolamissionun.org (212) 861-9295 S.E. Ambassador Juan Gabriel Valdés chile@un.int (212) 832-0236 H.E. Ambassador Dr. Gunter Pleuger contact@germany-un.org (212) 940-0402 H.E. Ambassador Inocencio F. Arias spain@spainun.org (212) 682-4460 H.E. Ambassador Munir Akram Pakistan@un.int (212) 744-7348 All email addresses: france-presse@un.int rusun@un.int chinamission_un@fmprc.gov.cn uk@un.int bulgaria@un.int info@cameroonmission.org guinea@un.int mexico@un.int syria@un.int ang-un@angolamissionun.org chile@un.int Pakistan@un.int spain@spainun.org contact@germany-un.org | ||
James the truthseeker Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 06-2002 |
Now concerning G.W.Bush, I thought you may find this interesting. Billy is not the only one to express these views Vote to Impeach Former attorney general Ramsey Clark drew up articles of impeachment for Bush & Co., and you can add your voice at: http:/www.VoteToImpeach.org For background info on Ramsey Clark : http://www.thesunmagazine.org/bully.html George W Bush, Anti-Christ and Astrology:} Check it out everyone!, George W Bush's astrology chart comes to look like an upside down 5 pointed star or pentagram! http://www.starcats.com/george_w_bush.html Perhaps we should also send this out to the Christians! 4 horse-men of the Apocalypse? Perhaps! George W. Bush Saddam Hussein Yassir Arafat Ariel Sheron | ||
James the truthseeker Member Post Number: 189 Registered: 06-2002 |
Check this out everyone!!! Learn all about the anti-war protests from all over the world here: http://www.indymedia.org Thus I shall try and continue to do my best to make this world a better place! Peace on Earth everyone! James the truthseeker | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi James-T.. Appologies for the lateness; been on my 5 day Off-The-DiscussionBoard..cycle. I do not have the Web-site location. But if you do a Search on Randolph Winters..you may find the "Billy Meier Index" site. But as Marc Juliano verified...One must be Cautious when reading Winter's books and materials. But You have a very good outlook..as you mentioned form your experiences. I have had My Own...Also! Which I will mention to you one of these days OFF...this discussion board. Edward. | ||
Scott Baxter Moderator Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hello, In the section "Questions for Billy" (Dec. 17, 5:15 pm) a question was asked regarding the world situation. In the text of the response was the statement "Demonstrations are a form of war" I have thought about this and there seems to be some truth in this statement. Demonstrations involve the amassing of groups of people in specific geographical locations, as does war. Demonstrations are an attempt to make a public statement and are a response to a particular situation. War is a also an expression or statement only it is an escalated response to the point of violence. In a demonstration when you amass a group of people you are generating a force or anti-force against war. In war you are also generating a force or anti-force against a particular problem. When demonstrations occur they generally disrupt the harmony of the area where they occur, such as traffic, commerce etc. Wars without saying also disrupt the harmony of the region where they are occurring. So it seems to me this may not be the way to go to create a true and neutral peace. Salome Scott | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 222 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Scott... Yes, I was also very conscious of what you have posted. But I would Interpret.."Demonstrations are a form of war"...more in a Positive manner/manifestation. As long as the Demonstrations are "Peaceful"..Man is letting One's Voice be Heard...Without Violence. Thus...a Peaceful War...of Manifestation/ Demonstration. Whichas...a Violent-Demonstration(s) would be defined...to me...as being..More in the Form...of Confrontational-War. Thus, Not Demonstrating as in the word; But Demonstrating...With "Violence"..to get One's Word Across/Known. Thus...a Confrontational-Demonstration(s). Thus...a Violent War...of Manifestation/ Demonstration. So it would be in which manner One let's One's Voice be Heard/Known. Personally, I am Fully Against...any form of Violent-Demonstrations. Which to me is just another form of War Making. We should let our Voice be heard...in the sense of the word..: "Demonstration(Peacefully)". Edward. | ||
James the truthseeker Member Post Number: 190 Registered: 06-2002 |
Greetings everyone, If I'm understanding this correctly, I just found on the German site that FIGU just released bulletin S3 of 42. Although humanity may not exactly be out of the woods just yet in terms of a world war 3, It now looks like fate has turned its direction in our favor! In many ways thanks to Billy himself when he with Stephen's help posted the first 2 bulletins(Jan 1 & Feb 1 2003) which to Billy's surprise had far more of a possitive serious impact and response on many people then perhaps Billy himself had envisioned via internet, which was also watched closely by the Plejarans themselves. Billy later talks to the Plejaran "Enjana" Feb 9 2003, about the positive progress the internet situation has had along with advice for Earth human beings on how they should deal with Politcal dictators, terrorist etc. These details were harder for me to read, but I could still understand some of it, such as a world peace keeping force that doesn't see war as a means of obtaining peace, etc, and much more. Billy gives thanks to certain UN members in France, Germany, Switzerland, Russa and China for not giving into fear reagarding G.W.Bush and his cohorts! Peace in knowing, James the truthseeker | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 226 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... This I find very interesting when skimming through the booklet. From "Stimme der Wassermannzeit-Contact 241-243" page 33; contact-243 Monday, June 22, 1992,2:46 am : " Billy: You are saying that it would smiply take the sending of combat troops into action according to the principle of Enoch(Henok/Henoch), who created peace-combat troops and really brought about order. In your opinion it should be the UN's role to supply the required peace-combat troops, and to send them to every crisis location, if required. These peace-combat troops would be equipped with the latest technical weaponary and would crush uprising, revolutions and wars throught appropriate military action. Subsequently it would be up to the troops to preserve tranquilty and peace, however. Additionally, these peace-combat troops would be similar to a global police force that mercilessly fights against organized crime and nips it in the bud. Organized crime would not have a chance to proliferate any longer, and neither would dictators and other powerhungry killers or similar population groups. Ptaah: This is the meaning of my words. Only by generating and sending out such peace-troops can order and peace be established and retained, and organized crime be eradicated. Empty words and meaningless actions are totally useless. As I have already emphasized, it is totally illusional to attempt bringing about peace only by means of economic sanctions and supplying blue-helmets troops, who are incapable of procuring peace through logical force by fighting. Billy: May your words be heard by all these leaders. " I personally have always Acknowledged this type methode also... in thoughts. Executed by "All Global/Worldly Countries"..via the UN...as is mentioned. Not just executed by just only the Powerful Structured countries. As these type of executions should be "Neutral" in it's manifestations. And monitored by a Trustful High Council...to prevent eventual Distortions of actions and executions. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 228 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... Well, I found this excerpt very interesting because I had had some family that were in the UN-forces that were suppose to keep the peace, but when they were shot at(directly)... their high commander told them to go into their barracks... or where ever they could get cover. And they were Not to shoot back. And One family member... had a very very close-call. Which even made the Head-Lines! Than One would think...: "What are they doing there!?" So everytime they are being shot at... they have to exercise... the mentioned above. And then this all becomes very laughable...alas. Some of us may know what happened in Sebrenicia... where some thousands of men and their young sons were Separated from their Grand Mothers, Wives, Mothers and Daughters and were "Exterminated" (estimated some 5000-7000).. when the UN-Forces did Nothing. When they and their High Command... Knew they should have done something to stop that Genocide. To stop that from happening. So they... let the men and their sons... be slaughtered by the opposition and... Naturally... having/making This... as good Reason... to who's to blame. And Not the fault of the UN-Forces. Which were there.., One can conclude.., to just "Observe"... and do No more. Instead... of "Intervening"... and could have Stopped this/that Massacre. And sending Blue-Helmets to 'The Danger Zones' with Not even a Full-Automatic weapon! So, if the UN-Forces... had the appropriate weapons and the like... as Billy mentions.. they could have saved those thousands of men and their sons... from the concerning extermination. It has even gotten the bad... that some 8-10 of the ex-UN-soldiers that served in Sebrenicia... tried to commit suiside or have... because of some guilt they felt; when knowing they could maybe have done something at that time when they were there. Which is very very sad. So.. it would be in it's place.. what Billy was conversating to Ptaah... concerning the possibilities... for UN-Peace Combat-Forces. And One would Acknowledge... that the above types of confrontations would be Eliminated.... and at it's Minimum. So it would be Wise to let the UN-Peace Combat Forces... manifest in such a way and let this not be executed by just any country(s) on their own (behave)... which can only.... make it a "Personal Confrontation" than a "Neutral Confrontation".... manifestation. Edward. | ||
Annette Schneider Unregistered guest |
Salome everyone, I`m a german Figu passive member and have reading your diskussion with great interest`s. I would like to send to some american VIP peoples the figu - sonderbulletin NO 1-3. Have everyone from you a good translation from this bulletins? My english is not the best anymore. Or perhaps we could translate it together. Many Thanks Salome Annette | ||
Chiuwang Member Post Number: 139 Registered: 06-2002 |
Hi There are some interesting Article in English published at www.andyettheyfly.com under 'free download'. Those articles seems to be from Mr. Meier, at least his name is at the end of those articles. And it gave bold prediction of the year WWIII is going to happen, either 2006 or 2011. or could be other years depend on how the old prophet look at our current calender. To wipe out 2/3 of current population on this planet in 3 year and 11 months, I would assume it must be an all out nuclear war. If that is the case in the future, only US and Russia have this capacity at this moment, China has less than 500 warheads, and do not have enough long range missiles to deliver them. So first indication will be American President Bush order the attack without UN resolution. Second indication maybe Bush get re-elected in 2004, and the hawkish cabinet members stay in government while some more reasonable ones will leave, like Mr. Powell, the secretary of State Department. I am not sure if 4 leaders of nation will die in 2 week,(?, actual wording please see contact note 251) but if that happen, I am ready to move to South America. May we all learn lessons from the future wars. Peace. Hampton | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 236 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Hampton... Yes, I have also downloaded what you mentioned from Michael Horn's "AndYetTheyFly". He has very very much good material concerning Billy's experiences and so forth. Yes, I think Billy mentioned it was Henoch's Prophecy in 2006 but in our today's caculation...2003. Which I was not surprised of..to be frank. I just Felt it In The Air...so to speak...and Billy Verified this fact when mentioning this. But, 2/3 of Mankind does not only have to die from the radiations and so forth, but we must not foreget, as Billy also mentioned...(previous) that our Mother Earth..with her Weak-Spots...in her Body...will Also have Affect; and these weak-spots will just Open her Wounds..and make it even More unbearible for her...and which will Reflect back on us all...alas. So, Only a Few...Mega-Mega-Megatons of Nuclear-warheads would be enough to Rupture her Body and Wounds...and this will Create a Domino-affect...in speeding-up this In-Human Holocaust...alas. Concerning Mr.Powell; well from the start he was Against this up coming war...what I could make out. As some on tv mentioned:"Mr.Powell is just be a Good Soldier". And In my Eyes...he has No chance...and just has to do what he's being payed for doing. Atleast...he has made it get so far..that this all has been "Postponed" from Manifesting from an earlier date...as others are letting this manifest also. Yes, as you mentioned:"May we all learn lessons from the future wars". Peace Be With All... Edward. | ||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 03-2003 |
I don't mean to be an alarmist, but for those inclined that wish to be informed of the American media's perspective, tonight and tomorrow on PBS, at 9:00 - 11:00 PM US Eastern time, are Parts III & IV of the Ted Turner produced documentary on "weapons of mass destruction", titled, "Avoiding Armageddon". Here's a synopsis of part II (last night) and part III (tonight). Part II: "Nuclear Nightmares": Losing Control. Hostile nations and stateless terrorists which are unafraid of using nuclear weapons pose a threat to the world. Part III: "The New Face of Terror": Upping the Ante. An examination of the people, causes and conditions of modern terrorism; former Osama bin Laden comrade Essam Al-Ridi. | ||
Jo_jo New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dear Christian, Similar to being unable to attend to spiritual needs on a daily basis when suffering from lack of food, drink, shelter and clothes, I find it difficult to concentrate on present, necessary matters whenever I introspect upon the prophecy of the nuclear annihilation of America. Hopefully this prophecy is never realized, but realistically, if it is, I live in too high of a risk area to have any chance of survival. I feel helpless without doing something, but I don't want to be the "boy who cried wolf" like so many members of religions and cults in the past that upended their ordinary lives in wait for pre-destined "end-of-days" that never arrived. Since you are a member of the "Core Group of 49" and have personal contact with Billy Meier, I have high regard for your opinion. Can you please share your opinion, and possibly that of Billy and the other Core members, on the probability - to the highest degree of accuracy possible - of the prophecy of WWIII being fulfilled within the year 2006 time frame? At present, what factors in the world will have to change in order to avert this war? How likely is it that those factors will be changed? If you feel this topic too serious or grave to address on the FIGU Discussion Forum, can you please reply to me via personal email? I will keep your opinion and any others you express in confidence. Thank you for your consideration of this matter. Sincerely, Jo-Jo | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 56 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Jo-Jo, It's no use to wait for WWIII to happen. That would be silly, of course. Instead it is important that everybody makes the best out of his life each second and every day, which doesn't mean to earn as much money as possible, etc. however. It means to learn and to develop one's inner abilities and potential, to think and act in a non-destructive way. It means to work for good progress and a constructive contribution to oneself, one's family, the community, mankind. If WWIII really happens, all countries will be affected. Whether WWIII will occur depends on the thinking an behavior of the governments, fundamentals, militaries, fanatics, terrorists, etc.etc. Neither you nor I as individuals can stop it. However, it is still not too late to stop WWIII (as is the case with a prophecy). I'd say the chance is still 50:50 (that's my opinion). Well, many things would have to change or not happen in order to prevent WWIII. Cooperation instead of confrontation, negotiation instead of attack, modesty instead of arrogance, etc. And probably most of all: That the population of each nation elects decent, good and honest persons into the governments as soon as possible, and to ban the imperators and dictators and warmongerers from society. Best regards, Christian | ||
Jo_jo New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dear Christian, Thank you for your reply! Is the glass half-empty, half-full or maybe cracked and leaking? I guess it depends on perspective! Similar to what you say about "making the best out of one's life each second and every day" is the saying "live as if you will die tomorrow, plan as if you will live forever." Seen in this light, would you not try to make the best out of life but do so in the safest place possible for you, even if this means relocating? America is not like Switzerland! Our government's Civil Defense Policy towards nuclear war is MAD - "Mutually Assured Destruction." By this they mean the citizens of America have no chance of survival. Our government is counting on Russia feeling the same way, thus preventing them from attacking us because their destruction will be mutually assured. But Russia's leaders apparently do not accept this policy of MAD. In past years they out-spent the US by more than 10:1 for civil defense, including building shelters and training their citizens in survival techniques. They feel survival of nuclear war is possible and take active steps to ensure it. And this fact seems to be corroborated by Enoch's prophecy of WWIII, where Russia is mentioned as a major protagonist of the war (they survive long enough to attack nearly every country in the Northern Hemisphere, while all of America is annihilated). Switzerland spends even more money than Russia towards civil defense and is said to have survival shelters for 85 percent of its' citizens. I don't know if it is prudent to live any longer in an American metropolitan area given a 50:50 chance of WWIII erupting. We'll have to see how world events progress. Hopefully, we'll have warning enough to protect ourselves. We certainly can't count on our leaders for protection. Sincerely, Jo-jo | ||
Pureharmony Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 08-2002 |
So with the United States plan of M.A.D. or Mutually Assured Destruction, then Billy is extremely correct in the statement made "The United States has gone mad". Wow, correct in every sense of the word. Once again, I am impressed with the accuracy of the information given on the FIGU website. *pureharmony* "When you change the points of view, you may change a vote, and when you change a vote, you may change the world" -Depeche Mode | ||
Jay Member Post Number: 190 Registered: 01-2002 |
Hi Jo_Jo, All is said and done on that part, we must also keep in mind that as the future predictions go, it will also be catastrophes of great proportions in America. Is just the way nature handles the stolen lands of america which is another story all on its own. WWIII is not just going to be from us but also the many cataclysmic events and upheavals by our own planet. BE WELL Jo BE WELL | ||
Lonnie Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Jo, I understand your concern about survival as do most of us I am sure. It is only natural to want to live and survive as long as possible. In ancient times humans on Earth built the pyramids for protection against foretold events which inevitably came and caused much destruction. This same sense of fear and urgency can be seen today, as you mentioned, with some countries making survival preparations. However, I think what Christian is trying to help us see is not so much the need for being in a physical location, since the whole Earth will be affected when the catastrophes' come. The important thing that should be "emphasized" is that we must not neglect our spirit and spiritual life. This, of course, would be making the best of our lives now. Walking with and trusting in our spirit, as Billy does, can enable us to live better since the spirit cannot die, sees all things and prods us along even in the face of seemingly certain death. Of course, making preparations beforehand would show some common sense and this is evident in the Plejaran's choosing the present location in Switzerland for the Center and directing the mission. Some FIGU members have moved to Oklahoma for similar reasons. But, it seems to me that no matter where you go on this Earth the more important spiritual matters (individually) must come first in order to have the necessary strength/courage/trust for the spirit to continually move us in the right direction. Hopefully, for ulitimate survival and a better life. Perhaps a little luck might help too. Personally, I would prefer to be where other FIGU members are, perhaps in a FIGU community, where the more important values and concerns are shared by everyone, even if it is in the middle of a danger area. Kind Regards, Lonnie | ||
Emmanuel Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hello members and all non-members of FIGU I would like to say, it doesn't help to concern yourselves with the threat of war. To anticipate it in your hearts and in your minds will hinder your spiritual progression, because it will create an inner fear that will prevent you from opening yourselves up and living your lives as you should. It would better not to think of it and simply to be yourselves. What if no such war happened and yet you still feared it because the doom mongers continue to add the years to the prophecy, saying it will happen in the future? When will you give up your fretting over it and causing fear to arise in yourselves and in others? How long will it take you to realize that you prevent yourselves from going forward with your lives? Your fear holds you back and it binds you to the world. You can't hope to live spiritually if your spirits are overcome by your self-consciousness. Let the world take its course and simply pass it by. | ||
George New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi all, I think the best chance surviving this event on North American continent is in the Atlantean caves. According to Indian legends they were used by surface people to escape the Great Flood(10,000 years ago). I'll bet you $2.00 some of those Indian Shamans know all about it. And they will not talk unless they know you're an upright person they can trust. Also Gilgamesh knows it since he is roaming American North West. I hope this is a good start. George | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 253 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jo and all... Jo, I would Surely Agree with what has been said and posted by my friends previous of me. I have been Thinking many things over and Wondering of the situation that exists in Irak and the surrounding countries. Truely...it Is.. a Big Gun-Powder Barrel Awaiting to Explode. Foregive my pessimism..in this case. There are just Too Many countires involved...that have "Clashed" for centuries...and find it very difficult to live with one and other and see...Eye To Eye...as in the case with Irak and all the Tribes in the surround. I must say...Mr.Bush Truely...Has "Unleashed" a War..that will only make the situations Worse...then it ever was. To make it clear; Saddam Hussein Did Not kill his own people with chemical-gasses, but..those people were Kurds. And eventhough the Kurds are Socialists..just like Saddam was....they did Never see Eye To Eyes...alas. Because Saddam knew...they(Kurds) were not welcome anywhere in that area...he gave them that Top of Irak..to settle-down. That chemical war against the Kurds was just a gesture..to those people to Stay where they are and be content with that part of land he offer to them. So, a Kurd...One must Never call an Iraki...and an Iraki..must Never be called a Kurd. As is the case with an Iranian..which should not be called a Kurd and visa-vera..just as is the case with a Turk. So as you can notice...the Kurds live in each of these mentioned countries...and do Not have a Fully Recognized Homeland - Kurdistan -. I my self have worked in an Educational branch and have met the mentioned people and they All are very sweet and nice people to know and get along with. But, alas..that the situations in their countries will not resolve into a better State of Living and Existing...with each other. Which will Also Effect even Our...countries. Mr.Bush...has only "Opened The Door" to even More Friction..to these peoples...alas. And he Surely...Can Not...Remedy this Scenario.. in any way or another...as to my Knowledge. It is Asif...Mr.Bush is putting them all Against each other. I found it very surprising that the Kurdish leader Ursalan.., when he was Kidnapped...by the Turkish Secret Service.., was even helped by the Israeli Secret Service and that of the USA, supposed CIA...as was shown in a documentary. I would think that the Kurds...Helping the US-Forces and Allies.., would Not have done this...if they Truley Knew...this Fact? Unless...they were Offered...an offer they could not refuse?(Land or others.) Thus if they knew this fact...the War could have been Averted. And the coalition forces...could Not have enter from the north; which was a Strategic point to execute further Into the war. So the War against the Turks and the Kurds...will only Grow....alas. So, Truely...It seems that politics...has a Hand here...once again. Thus, All the countries in that area...will surely Not have Peace..as One may think...alas. And as We Will Not have Peace...in our countries abroad. Mr.Bush has Truely...Put The World Up Side Down! As Billy has mentioned..: "A 'Coup' that will Stun the World!" As Jean Pierre...mentioned once...:"Mr.Bush...has Walked Right Into it(The Prophecy)". I Fully Agree with you JP. Peace Be With All... Edward. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 351 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi George, Where did you hear that Gilgamesh was roaming the American North West? Thanks Salome Scott | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 550 Registered: 02-2000 |
I thought Gilgamesh was living in the South East USA, near a nuclear reactor because he needs the heavy water. This was on this forum years ago and it blew my mind, I though it was a joke, but it not, its true. Do a search for Gilgamesh and you will find the rest of the info, its still on the forum. | ||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello Emmanuel, I do not disagree with anything you say. However, fear and the threat of death serve a very useful purpose for the majority of us at our present level of “spiritual” development. Due to the inherent shortcomings of our world leaders, logic and reason have not served to hold off the threat of war. Perhaps that is why the Plejarans have deemed it necessary for Billy to release the Enoch prophecies at this time; that we are in such dire times that fear and the threat of death are the only motivations remaining to cause us as individuals to take the actions necessary to prevent our extinction. Personally speaking, the palpable threat of WWIII has served as a wake up call to take action to find a way to extend my life. It is said that the spirit cannot evolve if the body is dead. Best Wishes | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings everyone, Perhaps a good solution to preventing the so called 3rd world war is for everyone to focus their minds b{every day} at a specific time each day(USA EST time) directly at the individuals themselves involved in the Bush Administration. I've attempted this last weekend during the negotiations in Beijing China concerning the USA and North Korea and within hours there appeared to be good positive results! Now I hope to put the focus directly onto the Bush Administration encouraging them to remove all their foreign policies and withdrawal from Iraq which they may have to do anyway if sanctions are to be lifted there. And if the American economy is such a concern, then these same meditations can be applied there too as also with any country! A friend of mine from Ashlyn Or, USA, whom I met at Mt Shasta "James Twyman" had demonstrated to me first hand how it takes a large focused audience to bend a spoon, very much like what is done with Uri Geller. Art Bell and George Noory also demonstrated these effects on Coast To Coast AM radio which was used to disperse fire storms and hurricanes moving across the USA, from a large listening audience. To do the "come to reason peace meditations", first become aware of all the main individuals involved in the Bush administration including George W Bush, corporate leaders, Lockheed Martin, Enron, council of foreign relations, Skull and Bones society, etc. Next stare at pictures of these individuals for about a minute or more to imprint their image in your mind. Next close your eyes and concentrate by holding their image in your mind without any incoming outside thoughts, but in a relaxed state as not to force it but also not to fall asleep either which means you have to be well rested before doing this exercise. Next hold these images in your mind for about a minute or more as though the individuals themselves where right in front of you, then direct the thought or affermation(s) you wish to focus on them such as "Come to reason for the United States of America and humanity by withdrawing from all foreign countries along with all your foreign policies" or "there are much greater sources of energy now to be utilized then just oil for the economy of America", or "stop drawing unimaginable hatred to America from the rest of the world with your foreign occupations and your foreign policies", and "question all the of doctrines of the Bible and Christianity with reason". Feel the affirmations to the individuals by visualizing it and them in the sohar of white light consciousness consisting of wisdom and love. Do the exercises for about up to 10-15 minutes once or more times each day. You may add your own improved affirmations should you think of these, however always be sure that the affirmations you are sending out are specific enough in though and feeling as not to be taking the wrong way by the individual recipients you're now focusing on. This specific meditation and concentration exercise is actually from a method used to develop and learn telepathy as taught by the Dzogchen Tibetans of sending and receiving thoughts. In this case we are sending the information to the recipients who should receive it consciously or unconsciously depending on their own spiritual evolution in very much the same way that extra terrestrials will send telepathic impulse inspirations to there own recipients such as those people making crop circles, sci-fi movies, etc. I've also put out the thoughts for ETs to help us in this project and perhaps Michael Horn can arrange a salome or other related peace meditations to be done on Coast To Coast AM. Remember we have just this year to make a real difference! Peace in knowing, James the truthseeker | ||
Chiuwang Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 06-2002 |
Hi All: First of all, I want to say that I am totally against US invade Iraqi, it is totally illogical to focus on Iraqi instead of Al Qeada. US is like doing a huge free fund-raising for Al Qeada. Now US caused resentment in Arabic world, and more support is available to Al Qeada, they will hit US again, and US will have more excuses to expand its military, the key is, Mr. Bush does not want to eliminate Al Qeada, or he will win this war too easy, and lose the election in 2004. For 3rd world war to happen, Mr. Bush is not enough, China will be a key element also. Currently SARS is running all over several provinces in China, if current Chinese leader, who is a dove(relatively peaceful guy), can not contain the illness quickly, there is a chance that hardliner will control the power, with strict military style control, SARS will be eliminated in China, but the chances of going to WW3 will increase a lot. If Chinese government is controlled by hawkish generals because of SARS outbreak, we will need more peace meditation.... Just my thought to share with you. Peace. Hampton Chiu Hampton Chiu | ||
Pureharmony Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 08-2002 |
Michael D- you have said in your last post "It is said that the spirit cannot evolve if the body is dead." What is your source of this information? According to the Talmud of Jmmanuel, Chapter 23:45 "Hence, when a person dies, their spirit lives on and leaves this side of existence for the other side, where it continues to gather the wisdom of knowledge." 23:46 "The greater the spiritual wisdom gained through the learning of the consiousness, the more the spirit itself determines its future, its return, and its subsequent activities." *pureharmony* "When you change the points of view, you may change a vote, and when you change a vote, you may change the world" -Depeche Mode | ||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 03-2003 |
Pureharmony, Yes, my statement is rather imprecise. You must be one of those Plejarans that consider 99.97 percent of what we earthlings say and do to be in error ;) The second quote you posted from the Talmud captures the essence of what I was trying to express. It seems to me that we have a duty to extend our physical lives to their maximum potential in each incarnation. The longer we live, the more we experience and learn, the more knowledgeable and wise we become in our consciousness. I would think that the potential maturity and wisdom gathered by an eighty-year-old provides more “grist for the mill” for the spirit to work on “on the other side” than eight consecutive lives lived to only 10 years old. In another sense, it reminds me of the Rod Stewart lyric “I wish, that, I knew what I know now, when I was younger…” To me, dying prematurely (as a casualty of war) serves no logical purpose for the development of the spirit. That is why, in light of the Enoch prophecies, I feel it necessary to concern myself with the threat of war and to seek all possible means to survive it. | ||
Jo_jo New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hello Jay and Lonnie, I don't mean to speak for Christian, but IMHO, it is easier to attend to the spirit and spiritual matters when one lives with the knowledge that he will be safe physically, come-what-may. Emmanuel, himself, was very nervous and anxious "sweating blood" when contemplating his forthcoming crucifixion, even though he knew he would survive. In America, we do not have that luxury. Although - as you say - all countries will be affected by WWIII, America will be the most negatively affected. And certain parts of America will be worse off than others. As for Oklahoma, what reasoning has led the FIGU members moving there to believe it to be safe? Have they been told that by either Billy or the Plejarans? For their sake I hope they are not in the Oklahoma City or Tulsa areas. According to the Federal Emergency Management Agency map for Oklahoma, those sites are directly targeted by Russian nuclear warheads. | ||
Emmanuel Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 04-2003 |
Michael And in concerning yourself with the threat of war and seeking all possible means to survive, when your seeking proves futile your fear will overwhelm your state of mind because you will have concerned yourself with your life and not with your spirit. So although you say it is for your Spirit's sake to prevent yourself from 'dying prematurely', in truth it is for your life's sake that you do it. For if you seek the wisdom of the Spirit you will not care a whit if you die prematurely or not, because you will know that death can't affect you spiritually as it affects you physically, although I agree it is good to live long so that you learn. But if you don't learn today, you will learn tomorrow. Therefore, it is better not to concern yourself with the threat of war, because if it is going to happen, you don't know when and you don't know where. So what good is it going to do you to live in fear of it? What good will it do you to gain your life and lose your Spirit? Nobody wants to die before their time. But there are people in the world who are so spiritually ignorant that they may as well be among the dead and let the living live. | ||
Pureharmony Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 08-2002 |
Hello Michael, I understand what you are saying, and i do agree it is wise to try to extend ones physical life through wise decision making and such. I also believe though that certain persons physical existance in one lifetime or more being shortened, or as the example you use 'eight lives in a row only lived to only ten years old', sometimes does serve quite a purpose, but I believe the purpose may be more for the benefit of ones on the physical plane. Of course, a spirit will have 'free will' to determine its own future, so if a spirit lived many consecutive short lives then it would only be because that was what that spirit chose for themself, possibly to effect alot of peoples lives in a shorter amount of time. It is my feeling that we, on the physical plane of existance, learn from such an experience through appreciating our time here and now, and loving creation on a much deeper level. Thereby the person(s) with a shortened lifetime serves to help evolve many others still living, though it may not seem like it at first, when experiencing such. *pureharmony* TJ 5:4 "Blessed are those who endure hardship, for they shall thus recognize the truth and be comforted" | ||
George Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ok everybody - here is my thinking. The 'will to survive'- that you feeling is this not lead in itself by Spirit Force? If not then by whom? In itself surviving is also a huge balancing learning process that perhaps a lot of us are lacking? Is it logical to try to survive? Yes. Is this the common sense move? yes. There is even old saying that goes 'wise man foresees great evil he will hide himself...'. - well that's just common sense. What are the alternatives. One we can all die isolated from each other thinking good thoughts and doing good deeds all the way to the end pretending we are not afraid(this also is Spirit Force letting us know something is not right). Two we get together for the purpuse of helping ourselves to have a better chance to survive. While doing this we laern how to work together as a team(I think this is very important skill now and in the future when we come back we get along better much quicker and get the mission going faster? Because of the previous balancing effort we made of working as a team?). Is this a good learning exemple to display to others that are watching us? yes. Also if we can beat the adds and work so well and harmoniously that we actualy survive in good shape a 'little thing' like Nuclear Holocoust coupled with all out major Natural upheaval(earth quakes,volcanos,barbaric responses from other scared people) I would think that not much else can realy touch us in the future and Mission will be in 'good hands' for our future regenerations. And this I would call a success. Regards George | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 551 Registered: 02-2000 |
JoJo, Billy did approve of the Oklahoma location. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings everyone, Correction to a statement to my last post in this tiopic string: "You may add your own improved affirmations should you think of these, however always be sure that the affirmations you are sending out are specific enough in thought and feeling as not to be taking the wrong way by the individual recipients you're now focusing on". OK we all know of the potentials that world war 3 could occur, but let me remind you we all have a duty to ourselves to not let this happen. Focused meditations as I've previously discribed seem to be the best option at this point which work in much the same way that Billy pointed out the delta fork in the peace symbol should be facing upwards like a tree of peace rather then downwards like the sword of war and anarchy as presently used in the peace protests. We must go to extremes to utilize this wisdom for the planet. Peace in knowing, Peace on Eaarth, James the truthseeker | ||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 03-2003 |
Emmanuel, In nearly every serious, negative consequence I have suffered in life, I can recall the feelings that something was definitely amiss with the path chosen, especially when that path was an easy one. Conversely, in nearly every major, successful outcome I have enjoyed, I can recall the feelings that the chosen course of action was a proper one, especially when that path was a hard one. I am feeling this way now with my decision to seek safe haven in order to survive the upcoming war. I’ve been burned too many times to ignore my intuition. Hopefully there will be the passing of enough time in order to see if this intuition is more than a momentary fancy. Perhaps my wording of “seeking all possible means to survive” was a bit over the top. I do not raise myself or my needs above those of any others, nor do I advocate any means that are illegal, immoral or unethical. Basically, I’m looking for a safe place from which to start building a simple, self-sufficient, independent life, a life that is not threatened by the greed, ego and hatred of current world leaders and their weapons of mass destruction. It just seems to me illogical to not have a plan for retreat when “all hell breaks loose”. To put matters a bit in perspective, on 9-11, from the hilltop beyond my backyard, I could see the clouds of smoke emanating from what once were the towers of the World Trade Center. I don’t believe I ever said anything about purposely neglecting my Spirit. Admittedly my Spirit may be small compared to yours. But with everything that goes on in a typical, busy life – working a job, raising and supporting a family, maintaining a home, etc – I’m trying more and more to integrate into my life the bits and pieces of information I pick up on the laws of nature. I’m consciously working within myself to ratchet down the influences of the “roots of all evil”. And I’ve intentionally slowed down my pace, trying not to be as affected by the hustle and bustle of life, a sort of “mindfulness meditation” approach to life’s daily activities. I’ve become more introspective in examining the errors of my ways and in trying to figure out what really matters in life, and I deliberately spend more time appreciating our natural surroundings. Undoubtedly I have a long way to go. I don’t meditate, although many people have told me I would benefit by it; I don’t fast and haven’t spent enough time searching for more good spiritual materials to read. I guess we all have our own priorities, and our pace of life dictates if/when we get to them. I just don’t think I’ll benefit through a 3-year crash-course in spiritual development, if one even exists. For this, I may need every bit of the 35 to 45 years I hope to extend my life. BTW, as far as I know, it is not possible to “lose your Spirit” or even for the spirit to degenerate – only stagnate. Perhaps we can elaborate more on this in another thread! | ||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2003 |
Pureharmony, What you are saying is the opposite side of the same coin and makes perfect sense. I do not pretend to know what the outcome of my life will be or how long I will live. But for me, every day lived is like a little victory. And if WWIII is to begin in my lifetime, every day survived will be that much more of a victory. I do very much look forward to being around on February 3, 2029 when the Earth fully enters the Age of Aquarius. That day may pass without any fan-fare. But I would rather spend it on the Earth, than in the Earth, if for nothing more than passing the milestone | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dear Norm, Do you recall your source of information for Billy approving the Oklahoma site? Do you know what city/town in Oklahoma? If this is not for public dissemination, can you email me privately? Thanks! | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 04-2003 |
Dear Emmanuel, This quote from the book "Nuclear War Survival Skills" may prove you right about not knowing when and where WWIII will begin: "The reassurance of having at least a few days of pre-attack warning, however, is lessening. The increasing numbers of Soviet blast shelters and of first-strike offensive weapons capable of destroying our undefended retaliatory weapons will reduce the importance of pre-attack city evacuation as a means of saving Russian lives. These ongoing developments will make it less likely that Americans will have a few days' warning before a Soviet attack, and therefore should motivate our Government both to deploy truly defensive Star Wars weapons and to build blast shelters to protect urban Americans." | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 552 Registered: 02-2000 |
JoJo, My source is Figu Passive members Marc Juliano & Mike Whelan. | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Michael D and everyone, Perhaps our best bet then is to request leaving the planet on a UFO, or going up to the international space station, or going deep down into the miles of caves under Brazil and Peru. Billy should know where to go to get under the great pyramids, right? Should you choose the caves however, You'd need to take with you every known plant, animal, insect and fish species known to man. There you could plant underground forests lit up by full spectrum sun lighting which are now powered by outside surface radiation, if the caverns are big enough then you could have an underground artificial sky such as what you'd find with a planetarium but with a sprikler system to water the forest with artificial rain. Next you'd have to have airconditioning units to create artifial winters along with heaters for artificial summers. Hopefully there could be self contained underground oceans and lakes. Now the only challege is finding all the funds to do it, and I'm sure the Plejarans know of such underground places where this can happen where you have the least amount of earth quakes. Underground vehicles would of course have to be non-polluting such as bicycles. Then again perhaps Billy and the plejarans can tell us where the entrences are to Agarta or perhaps Hyperborea if these places and people are willing to accept FIGU friends and members. In a matter of speaking FIGU and associates would have to go underground. Peace in knowing, James the truthseeker | ||
Emmanuel Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 04-2003 |
Michael You sound quite serious. Perhaps you have experienced a turning point in your life as a result of what happened on 9/11? Perhaps the events of that day shook the foundations upon which your former life was built, and now you find yourself looking for hope and security all over again? Your life has been threatened and it's only natural to want to defend yourself. Though I said you shouldn't concern yourself with the threat of war, if I knew when it would happen and where it would happen, I would be a fool not to take precautions. But I don't know this and so, therefore, it would do me no good to concern myself with it until I do have such knowledge, if that were possible. Believe me, I'm with when you say you wish to live safely and peacefully and wholesomely. It angers me when I see the world as it is and there is nothing I can do about it. I think to myself, we are a people who are not deserving of this planet, and truly if it were in my power to make one sacrifice, I would sacrifice the human race to save this earth. This is the extent of my anger. But I remind myself that it is better to love than it is to hate, and that it is better to look upon the evil in the world indifferently, because who would hurt me who does not hurt himself? Before the turn of the century I had a great fear of a coming war. It was believed that the year 2000 would bring with it the final destruction of the world. At that time of course there was a war going on in Iraq, if my memory serves me correctly. I remember watching the news and becoming so absorbed with this war that I am certain I expected to die soon. When nothing happened I realized I had prevented myself from moving on with my life because I had feared so greatly, and as a result of this realization I resolved to open myself up to the whole world, to all cultures, all people, all lifestyles, and it was as if I had overcome a great obstacle within me, because suddenly I found myself being filled. Now I let the world take its course, and I try not to join the masses when they express their fear, because in doing so no good can come from it. Yet... we must all follow our own path. In that I believe. And we learn as we go. Oh, and another thing! 'Lose your Spirit' is just a figure of speech. I don't mean to literally lose your Spirit. In the world you have the opportunity to know your spirit or not to know it, to deny it, and so to lose it as far as your present life is concerned. | ||
Marc Moderator Post Number: 153 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hello Norm, Jo Jo, Oklahoma will probably be just as vulnerable to a nuclear scenario as the rest of the USA. Obviously, nuclear fallout drifts and will affect many areas, including those far from the major metropolises. If you have heard that Oklahoma will be more "safe", then this probably means that it lies in the heart of the country (away from the coasts). As far as I know, Billy never said Oklahoma, or any city within Oklahoma, would be any better off in a nuclear war than other areas of the USA. Regards, Marc | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hello James, Clearly you are being facetious. But if you aren't, you are falling for the US Government's hype of "Mutual Assured Destruction". Get the facts by reading the book "Nuclear War Survival Skills". A free on-line version is available. | ||
George Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello everybody, I think we should be developing our survival scenario working closely with the 'CORE', Billy(asking them direct to the point questions not necessarily on the Forum) - they know lot more then us. At the same time I think we should should not give up on diffusing the situation with all the peaceful means at hand. Again just thinking logicaly and using common sense as the guiding light - we have 50/50 poker bet(not good!!) for WWIII because of 'Pres Bush' warmongering missbalance. Solution is obvious here - to increase our chances maybe even to 90/10 we have to take 'Pres' out of his position of POWER. Question - what is the biggest POWER block available to do the job for us? Quite obvious again? common sense? - Democratic Party. I think that if we can help them out with whatever we can maybe we can tip that balance of POWER and move the warmonger from the position of POWER as the final result. You think that Democratic party needs people like us having more balnced view of 'Things'? Regards George | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 554 Registered: 02-2000 |
Sorry Marc, I know Rita said it. I wouldn't move there its part of Tornado Ally. | ||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello Emmanuel, Yes, you are right; I am rather serious when it comes to long-term security and the obstacles preventing it. At least partially those obstacles are in my mind. I think this stems from my natal Mercury in Capricorn and Taurus on the Third House Cusp ;) We were all rather shocked by 9-11. My son's kindergarten teacher lost her brother, a fire-fighter, in the attack. And the father of one of his class-mates narrowly escaped the Tower's collapse. He is still out of work on disability. A number of children at the grammar school lost a parent in the tragedy. I, too, share your anger about the horrible state of the planet. And because the abuse of the planet is so out of control, and we are not paying attention to the signs, the rubber-band will eventually be pulled too tight and snap back in our face. That is why I feel WWIII is inevitable - it must happen in order to prevent even further destruction to the planet. Nothing yet has served as an adequate wake-up call to cause us to change our abusive ways; there is now too much inertia to overcome. If we can't control ourselves, control will be forced upon us by Nature. The first law of Nature must be that Nature will preserve itself; therefore, degradation of the planet cannot continue unchecked. Another way I can describe my feelings about WWIII is kind of like a worker that survives the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center and then finds out that Billy Meier predicted back in 1987 that the Towers would be brought down in an attack. Would I go back to work there? Would you? We can't say we haven't been give our wake-up call. I guess the only remaining question is, has Billy Meier been wrong on any of his predictions? | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Jo jo, Thanks for the tip, unless I missed it or haven't seen it yet, the book does not explain how to save animal, plant and tree species from such a nuclear event so the book does have its draw backs, not to mention the destruction of the planets ozone and how this can be fixed. Peace, Truthseeker | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hello George, If you’re not already aware, there is a section on the forum devoted to questions for Billy, and a number of questions have been posted there concerning the “survival scenario”. The section was closed on April 12. The moderators may be able to update us on the timetable for Billy’s replies. There may be another opportunity to get your questions answered by Billy or Core members. I heard that Michael Horn is visiting the Semjase Silver Star Center this month. Maybe he would be so kind as to present your questions. His website is www.andyettheyfly.com. Jo Jo | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 04-2003 |
Clearly it will not be possible to save all forms of life. But we can save the most important forms: ourselves. Jo Jo | ||
Jay Member Post Number: 193 Registered: 01-2002 |
Hi All, The idea of us trying to save some or many species of the planet is a rational idea and one which may work but not 100%. As far as the Ozone layer is concerned we cannot do anything about this unless we only and only stop most or all the things we are doing which are backfiring or causing what I call the "earth's Allergies Effect" of its atmosphere. I believe for us to make some strong changes to our ozone cure, we would need similar or as good technologies as that of the Plejarans. (Plejarans are capable of altering certain circumstances on planets which can be habitable) The Third World War will be an event which "CAN BE" avoided, it will take our minds and actions to prevent such a happening and a future route change as well will take effect as that told to us by the PLEJARANS. One of the factors which may prevent these events from happening will be by way of us uniting as concious beings and getting rid of all or most of our Govts and what they stand for (this includes the thinking minds of that Of Bush & The Saddam Cronies and what they stand for, Capitalism, religions and favoritism of groups). This is all about change and is mostly mind change for US to JUMP and make a leap into another reality for us as Human races here on earth. I rather have Natural Scientist and scientist who feel what is better for the population and the earth run earth as much as we all want our freedom and expansion of the Spirit forms. We should also take into consideration that which some of the systems or ideas of the PLEJARANS can be implemented in our society, I feel one world Govt is not a bad Idea but with the right circumstances at hand which include saving our Planet first. JAY BE WELL | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 263 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Michael... I had decided to wait after you had received an answer from Billy concerning the below mentioned posting. I was attracted to your question to Billy previous to the last one you have posted. Concerning...the Astrology Factor and the utilization hereof. I also have Acknowledged as Billy has; it being a good means of coming to know One's Character and so forth, probability calculations, preview of the future...etc. Which would give One a "Hint" of what One may encounter along One's path throught life. And than, from thereon, One would know where One may/can make Changes in "Directions" in One's Path of Life. You mentioning the countless deaths that came into realization in Japan in the second world war, at Hiroshima and Nakasaki by the Atom-Bomb which made me think back at a book I once read many many years back. It concerned a Japanese astrologer and Palm-reader, who did some reseacher on the countless deaths. He had a chance to go out and inspect the Hand-Palms of as many deceased people he could. And ofcourse he can to Conclusion; That of course a Great Majority of them had a very Long Life-Line! And so, this made him go into Thinking. So, he did come to Conclusion, that eventhough One may have a Long Life-Line, that this does Not have part or role, in any way or manner when it comes down to a Mass Killing/Genocide, as I have also Acknowledged. If/when...a Mass Genocide Factor plays a role, the whole "Calculated" Factor in One's Life Cycle can/will be Atlered. Which speaks for itself. If this/that Genocide had not come into realization, they would just live a Long Life as shown on their hand-palms. So I would also Acknowledge; this would be the Same with even Astrology and Card readings; all is "Calculated" there, for You/One...to Seek One's path through His/Her Life-cycle. And if no Madness Factor of Mass Genocide comes into realization... they Can/Will Fulfill their True Destiney! So all is there to Fulfill our Life-cycle. So it is now Time for All us Human Beings to Not Let the Still...concerning - Threat of World War III - come into Realization and Manifestation! We All have our Calculated Life-cycles within our Reach and even Visually(hand-palms...cards...etc...). So let us Not let That Mass Genocide Ruin All Our Life-cycles...Creation has given and offered to us...and make Good Use of this all. To Create Positive Results for use All...and Creation. As intended. "So let us All make Good Use...of Our Long Life-Lines!" Edward. PS: Appologies that lines seem to Jump...so every now and than. | ||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Edward, Thank you for your interest in my post. I understand what you say about the mass killings and genocide of unsuspecting people being a "wild-card" that cannot be predicted by natal astrology. However, there is a branch of astrology called "mundane" astrology that deals with world-wide events that may offer a better explanation and or prediction of events such as the timing of WWIII. This may be a field of study worth pursuing. P.S.: It is my understanding that Billy doesn't put any credence in card reading as this is a matter of random chance. I don't know his position regarding palm reading. | ||
Chiuwang Member Post Number: 144 Registered: 06-2002 |
Hi Anyone read about the actual starting point of WWIII will be China attacking Vietnam? I think this info is on contact note 115, section 68. We know that last warning sign will be 4 heads of state die within a week according to contact note 251, and WWIII should start in November. But USA may not involve in the initial stage of WWIII, but join WWIII later, so if any of you choose to stay in USA, at least you will have few weeks to prepare after China attack Vietnam. Peace. Hampton Chiu Hampton Chiu | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 264 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Michael.... Yes, I am familiar with "Mundane" astrology. And there seem to be many that practise this type of astrology. Some even want to be the first to Tell they were "The First" to Predict "Domesday"!(as some New Age..do) But ofcourse, it makes it a very interesting subject to persure for study. I may self had not managed to do a study of any astrology of any types, but in the educational branch I once woked in, there were astrology classes, which I found most interesting. And tried to absorbe as much information form the teachers as I could when I had the chances. Did not have time for a study-class..alas. So, its funny, that there are still modern-day astrologers today that make a chart(s) from Computer-atrology programs. Which I would think may/would, to some degree, have the same Affect as the very Old Traditional astrology but I would still think...it would be the True Humanly "Input" that makes it Worth Wild....Than the Mechanical- Programing posibility. Just my own opinion. Just as one of the teachers I knew had also Acknowledged. It is An "Art" by itself...doing it "Manually"... and Consumes very much Study(ing); it was once told to me a True astrologer could call him/herself An Astrologer..when One has studied this for over some 25 years! But, ofcourse, One does Not ever cease to stop learning,thus..studies further to "Perfect" Oneself in This Study(Or Others..). With the Cards I would Agree with Billy. Eventhough I have done much study on this subject, I came to fine out it is also "How" One would "Interpret/Translate" what is/can being read. Ofcourse, One must be very very "Cautious" with it. I have seen people utilizing cards asif it is The Ultimate way of Predicting The Future; which it Is Not...ofcourse. Even with Cards there must be "Caustion" and "Understanding" and "Knowledge" of the Interpretations. Which would also concern Palm-reading(etc..) (they are just "other" possibilties) Ofcourse The True Traditional Astrology would Have a High Score...here for me...and as it would for many others that have Full Knowlwedge of it. Is it not a Fact; that many Leaderships of the world have had their Astrology Charts drawn! Even a leader as Hitler, Churchill, Reagan, The Bushes,..and many Before and After them...etc.; what I have read. There were times I thought:"This all seems to be like a War of The Astrologers! And Not of the World Leaderships! The world leaders are not Running their Lives...But The Astrology Charts! And they are just Following what their charts Read! Without Their OWN...Humanly 'INPUT'!" It seems that Hitler even let kill his astrologers because they DID NOT "Calcualte"(Predict)...His Down-Fall...which came into maifestation, which he was very conscious of...in his last days...to come. So, Yes, I would agree; The True Traditional Astrology would be in its place of being a Ture Untility to "Calculate" One's Course of Life; but ofcourse, Also....With One's OWN Humanly INPUT Added to. Edward. | ||
Chiuwang Member Post Number: 148 Registered: 06-2002 |
Hi Mr. Meier posted an article regarding WWIII on July 1, 2003 in FIGU website, English version. I think Mr. Meier knows which year has the highest probability that WWIII will occure, but he would not tell us, else the future might change. So I guess we just need to live everyday to the fullest. Hampton Chiu Hampton Chiu | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 575 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hampton, You are reading it like its a predition, Billy clearly said it was a prophecie, it can't be any clearer than that! | ||
Truthseeker Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greetings Hampton, If you really want to know, I'd say the highest probability of WW3 is still at 2011-2012 involving the next Pope vs the anti-Pope. As many will know, this will mark the end of the Mayan calendar along with the Catholic religion, which could result in a WW3. You can bet that the so called Benefactor ETs are very much interested in this time period in history's likelihood to happen involving mainly the Russians and Muslims vs the Catholic religion. The USA invasion of Iraq had only increased the probability if a world war 3 beginning in Nov 2006 - Oct 2010. Fortunately I saw on the news last month in June, efforts where made in the world to-wards peace. I'm sure Billy would have observed these same things as myself which means Billy's last post is good news as the prophecy may now have being avoided regarding the first danger point! As long as 4 heads of state are not Killed within 7 days in 2004, then we are home free!, until 2011. At this time, it is of my opinion that there still may be a war involving the Russians and Muslims against the countries of the west but people at this time will hopefully change their minds knowing the direction that they are going and thus Europe will survive, but putting an end to the Catholic religion. After this, the dangers of a 4th world war are said to be avoided when death rays and laser guns become the norm during or following and economic depression that will bring about the use of 2 new free energy sources to the world. Sense Billy just said at the 2003 half year point that women are now predicted to take on leadership roles in the next millennium which will eventually bring peace to the world, then I'd say our chances are now very good that we will move past both danger points and the Earth will survive. The end of 2012 will perhaps mark the beginning of a thousand years of peace on Earth like is mentioned by Nostradamus, etc. Peace in mind, James the truthseeker | ||
Chiuwang Member Post Number: 149 Registered: 06-2002 |
Hi Norm: My understanding is that prediction is the event will definitely occured, so WWIII is not a prediction, but a prophecy. But when all the prophets, Jschwjsch/semi-Jschwjsch, including Enoch(?), Immanuel, Samjase, Quetzal, and Mr. Meier all mentioned about WWIII, I think the chance WWIII can be avoided is slim, it is not impossible, but extremely small. I remember reading Christian saying he think the chance of WWII is 50-50, my personal opinion is much higher, maybe like over 90%. But is it avoidable? Yes. When Mr. Meier told us many possible year, he probably know the key event in each year that will cause WWIII to happen. Peace. Hampton Chiu Hampton Chiu | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 275 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... I can understand what you all mean here. As Billy made very Clear and as some of us may Know; that a Prophecy Is "Man Made"...to the extent, that It IS in the Hands of Us Humans.. to Make the World War Three Scenario(and Others!) come into Realization or not. So, as Billy made very very Clear, that a Prophcey in "Linked" to the "Cause and Effect" Process! Which we Have to keep in mind. So, Ofcourse...It CAN Happen, BUT...It Can even Not Happen! Thus, this Prophecy...Is Up To Use!(The World Leaderships...in the most cases.) So, for Mr.Bush and his Oil Regime; Must follow the Effects/Consequences...in All the "Causes" he is Creating and to Accept even "The Effects" he is Creating. So, The More he would like to Expand his Scenario ...the More Consequences/Effects he will let fall Upon Himself and Man Kind. Thus, the Dates Mentioned by Billy..."ARE THE EVENTUAL 'POSSIBILTIES'"! But again, It Does Not have to Happen! As Ptaah/Quetzal once said...that the World War Three Scenario was at that moment "Contained". Thus, It Can Happen..Or it does Not have to come into Realization. A Prediction is also very Clear, that this Is an Event(s) that Have it's Place in Nature and Creation, Which Is A Need(in most cases) to let an Event or Manifestation come into Realization. Which is a... "Changing"...that is needed for Creation and All Within Creation for Creation's further Growth To Perfection. As The Absolute Absolutum would even manifest...For It's Growth and Perfection. So, Smiply said: A Prophecy is an Event(s) that manifests itself by the "Cause and Effect" Process; Which IS...a 'Man-Made' Scenario/Process. Thus, It 'May' Or 'Not' Happen, But, "The Possibllity" is always There. As I have mentioned in some cases before(on this board)...We May "Postpone" Such an event(s). But, again, "Postpone" Not meaning it has to happen! This is the "Freedom and Space" we Humans have for our own Actions. And our place In Creation. So a Prediction, as Billy made Clear...Has NEVER been Mention throughout the existance of Man...on our Earthly World Plane. If it Does Happen.. a Great World Fire...IT IS CAUSED BY MAN.... HIMSELF!! And NOT by a Prediction...Process! "Fulfilled"...By MAN! As Jmmanuel Even Made Clear; The Great Fire Can/May Happen "BUT"....We Humans(Worldleaders) Have ONE Chance to "Modify" the/that Scenario.. so that if the Right/Correct "Decisions" are Made..This Great World Fire Will Not Come into Realization. So we Have A "Option"! This IS...What I was Trying to make come across to the readers at the Pl'sRReal site! When I posted some parts from the TJ. (I guess some may have Missed The Point??) Edward. | ||
Savio Member Post Number: 422 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi all I am referring to the case that Billy went into the future and saw the earthquake event of San Francisco where the Trans America Building was still intact. Would that earthquake will 100% happen in the future? I mean, if there is a WWIII, San Francisco will surely be one of the targeted cities, it will not survive the war. Under this assumption, WWIII will not take place before the great earthquake of San Francisco. Savio | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 278 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... Concerning 9/11. One would ask One's Self: "Was 9/11 a Prophcey or a Prediction?" Well, because it was an event that "Happened", and was not Stopped...I would Not put it in the Category "Prediction"...but more in the Category of "Prophecy"...Because, that event was Caused by a "Build-Up" of Factors Caused by Powerful Forces(from the west) that practised All sorts of Un-Human practises and agreements...which One Can define as "The Cause" and that Out-Come on 9/11...as being "The Effect"....Alas. I would Still Think, that Scenarios as 9/11 would Not have to come into Realization..."IF".. certine Powerfull Forces would have "Tempered" their "Additude" Towards those countries that "Effect" Back...with their deeds. 9/11...Is/Was Just ONE "Example" of How Shocking the "Cause and Effect" Process(ing) can Manifest....Alas. "Man Made...Actions and Re-Actions!" So, the Prophecies of Henoch...Speaks for themselves. And Billy has made this VERY CLEAR to us all...in His Bulletins! The TRUE Words...of a TRUE...Prophet! We Must ALL...Listen to His Wise Words! Edward. | ||
Mhurley Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 04-2003 |
Yeah, good point Savio. Logically the SF earthquake must occur before WWIII Matt | ||
Michael_d Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hello Savio & Mhurley, How do you know that the San Francisco earthquake Billy traveled into the future to view has not already happened (the October 17, 1989 earthquake)? | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 279 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Savio... Yes, I would agree, a very good point you have there. I have been thinking about this also. But I would Think, that the earth quake of San Fransisco(If Not Occurred yet) Could Be...a Result/Out-Come/Consequence from a Nuclaire device that may have "Triggered" the event. As Some of us may Know, that the San Andrea Line Runs Also Up to San Fransisco, Thus...It Will Always Be..."Sensitive" if/when...Such event will/would occure. So, It May/Can/Could, the Earth quake, be caused by this manifestation. And may Not have to be an event "Apart" from the Third World War..Scenario....I would Think. So, If a Mega-Mega-Ton..Nuclaire War Head or Device would detonate...Lets say...in Los Angeles..,It Would/Can..Even "Effect" San Fransisco..by the Link of the San Andrea Line..which would just "Rip"...Even..Further and Wider...Creating a sort of Domino-effect.(Just like this could manifest in other parts of the world that have These..."Weakenesses") So, this Is and will Always be a "Weakness" is the state of California. Even if the case was...Visa Versa...the Same Scenario would Manifest. As Billy did/has...mentioned...of the many Natural and UnNatural(Man Made..via a Nucliare Exlosion(s)/Warfare..)..would "Effect" Into Eruption(s)...etc..that would even "Effect" our Mother Earth...and All Creatures that Walk Upon her Body. So the San Fransisco Scenario...Could/Would even Be...a Part of The Third World War...Scenario(But(yet) Not...In Full Manifestation). So, this "Possiblity"..One can not close out. Again..The "Cause and Effect" Process(ing) Plays here a role! The War Mongers of The World Should Think "Twice"..or Even "Triple"(or even More)...Before Utilizing such Nuclaire devices! And Not let Their Unrational Uncontrolled "Temper" Over-Shaduw... Their Sense Of "Reason" and Logical Thinking! Edward. | ||
Mhurley Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hi Michael_d ...because the devistation which Billy witnessed and photographed appears to be on a larger scale and magnitude than the 1989 quake. I am referring to the artists impression in vol 4 of Message from the Pl. - W Stevens. I think some ET race - the Bawaiis (sp) influenced the artist to paint a picture detailing a scenario which Billy saw on his time travel trip. Regards Matt | ||
Savio Member Post Number: 424 Registered: 07-2000 |
Hi Michael_d I searched through the web and located the record photos of the 1989 San Francisco earthquake. I think Mhurley is right, it seems that 1989 event is not the same one mentioned by Billy. Perhaps you may like to see those 1989 record photos here: http://geopubs.wr.usgs.gov/dds/dds-29/slideshow.pdf Regards Savio | ||
Gicayhwh New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 06-2003 |
Dear Friends, I have few words regarding things we are worry of coming upon us in the future like the ww3. Let us build etheric devices like the staff of Moses and energy rods, they are 12 inch rather than 6 feet, then we can use to even split the oceans of time. I would, providing they work. Now, that's a real magic, especialy combined with the Saalome meditation. I create devices that realy work not for sale but for peace we all need. With love, GicaYHWH | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 579 Registered: 02-2000 |
Billy already stated somewhere, that the 1989 Earthquake was not the one he saw. That Earthquake is still to come. | ||
Chiuwang Member Post Number: 152 Registered: 06-2002 |
Hi I agree with Savio's theory, that the SF earthquake will happen before WWIII, since WWIII will last 3 years and 11 months, I just hope that SF earthquake is a separate event, like few years before WWIII, instead of part of WWIII, like US warhead destroy China's largest dam, and shift of water mass change some gravity field, then cause SF earthquake... Peace Hampton Chiu | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 282 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All... Yes, all we can do is Wait and See..When it will manifest itself. Ofcourse...Mother-Nature..can Always "Generate" a Healing...Process Within Herself..to "Compensate and Remidize" the Causes Man has Brought Upon Her. Not? The "Effect" is just a Natural Law...of Manifestation, as Calculated..In a "Prophecy"! So it Is...very Simple to Diagnose..for it's Out-Come/Result/Consequence. If it Manifests in Any of the Both Manners/Ways ...It Would Still be an "Effect"...."Caused" BY MAN. Edward. | ||
Howard Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 05-2003 |
Do you know how the third world war is going to evolve or do you have any theories about it? I seem to lack the political understanding in this case, I cant see how two-thirds of the worlds population can be killed, how can this pull in lands like Russia, China, and India etc etc? By the way, why didnt Billy go out with the Henok-prophecies earlier? That would be better for people, alot more people would had the time to spread it and hear it. |
