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Ritak
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Post Number: 49
Registered: 05-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 11:14 am: | 
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Salome Scott,
In an answer to your first question:
Those people living in false love who have created children need to raise their children the best that they can together.
For people who are not in a relationship yet, they should keep in mind that harmony is of primary importance in a marriage relationship.
It is important for people to get to know each other as friends during reasonably long courtship, and see what things they have in common, what types of lifestyles they have and if these are compatible, to figure out what is important for them in life and in their future, and be totally honest with one another about everything and become best of friends before they experience sexuality together. Once 2 people have sex, the strong emotions created fog their minds as to what they really have in common and what sort of harmony is realistically possible in a union. Harmony is a primary requirement for a marriage union where children will be coming into, not sexual chemistry. Some couples should decide to only be lovers, because they would never make it if they had to raise children together. People should be more realistic about these things so that children will not suffer.
The primary problem in society today is that people have sexual relations before they really know each other and then have children together, and it is creating degeneration all around, like a domino effect, and it has made a big mess. It would be much less of a problem if the standard of living in the world could be raised to one where women are respected and financially secure. Then they would not be so inclined to marry a guy with money that they don't love, another huge mistake.
... my two cents.
Salome,
Rita |
Jay
Member
Post Number: 337
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 09:12 pm: |
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Rita,
I AGREE WITH YOU 95% of the statements you made. This is so true what you say and is hard to live by all those statements in these days and times.
The sexual part of a relationship even as friends to me should not be eliminated since it is part of our evolution and development spiritually as long as there are not children born to this FUN of sexual ecstacy.
Saalome and BE WELL to ALL 
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Joseph_emmanuel
Member
Post Number: 19
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 03:42 am: |
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I would like to know the opinion of members here regarding affairs. Personally I feel that while one is in a relationship to have an affair with another woman, or man, is wrong. But sometimes when I think of it - and I guess it has a lot to do with our current moral attitude towards relationships, where a lot of us don't seem to be able to stick it through, and where the desire to follow one's feelings justifies sexual betrayal - I feel that I am being possessive and jealous, which I know are also wrong. So I try not to think about what could happen when my partner meets new friends. The thing is we often find ourselves attracted to other individuals, especially sexually attracted. Could it be therefore that not wanting our partners to have sexual relations with other people is a sign of emotional and spiritual immaturity? Are we right to feel jealous and possessive? Or should we not concern ourselves with our partners affairs and just get on with our own lives? |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 411
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 05:26 am: |
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Hi Scott and All....
Well, I think we ALL(Spirit-Forms) have Universal Creational Love within
us...just as Free-Will and many other Beautiful Balanced qualities. Its
All There...but we just have to Find it, Generate it and Acknowledge and
Recognize it...in a "Positive and Balanced" way.
Naturally, our Love for one and other..Reflects our todays evolution
process which Jay expressed very clearly and I would agree with Rita
also. But for many to Recognize True/Real Love is far from that. Only
few...will Recognize True/Real Love in their daily life which can of
course...be a Straggle alas...knowing todays (False)Love Situation(s).
But the ones who find it are blessed.
Ofcourse, False Love has been in existence for centuries. "Is it a
reflection of our Religions"...you ask?
Well, from my own experience, this could be the Foundation to it but, I
have even encountered Non-Religious people making the Same Mistakes...if
you will. Thus, Also...Act according to their Sexual-Intuition(Drive)
than preferring to let their "Thinking" process make their Correct
decision. Dus, They..prefer...to let their "Sexual-Impulses" take over
their entire Way of Being. Thus, what is Generated...has Created
Physical Love and Not True/Real Spiritual Love as Acknowledged and
Recognized as True Universal Love. And pity to say, this results in most
case in countless of divorces or just couples parting from one and
other. And if there are offspring within such a relationship, pity to
say this just contributes to our planet being Over-Populated. Thus, this
type of False Love is Truly....Also...to blame for the Mass Human
Reproduction Machine...if I may express it this way.
True/Real Love would be more in a "Discipline" fashion..than the above
mentioned..and in our Time and Age, there seems to be no escaping this
type of Thinking process and Life-style.
Knowing from research that many young female youths at the ages of 12-13
years are now sexually active..compared to young male youths at the ages
of 15-16. This Is Truly...a "Time Bomb"...in our western society. Thus.
youths being Sexual-Active at these very very young ages(and adults)
will not have much Positive Out-Come for our planet...alas. False Love
"Rules" over our beautiful planet...alas to say, just as this False Love
has created countless Wars.
Thus, even if we did Not have Religion..we would still be seeking
True/Real Love...again, because of the State of Evolution we are at. But
again, because we have Religion...this Does contribute partially, which
does Slow-Down our search for True/Real Universal Creational Love in a
Natural way and utilize it as we should. Religion has only caused us to
Not utilize our Natural Creational Intuitions and knowing that this is a
very Important attribute/element/factor..etc. in our Being to process as
Naturally as possible. Thus it being an important Source.
So, I would say that Non-Religious people make their seeking for
True/Real Love much more in a "Direct" Natural way...than when Religion
would intervene...though. Religion can only lead them More Astray. Which
with all it's Distortions...will only make the search process for
True/Real Love take even Longer! And may..even lead to "DESTRUCTION"! It
be through WAR or through OVERPOPULATION! Thus, the State we are at this very moment.
Thus, any way One looks at it, False Love...is a Very very Dangerous
type of Love! A very Naive type of Love. To be honest, the word Love is
not placed in correctness here. "False Passion of Unity"...I would name
it.
Edward. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 550
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 07:40 am: |
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Hello,
Thank you everyone for your great insights.
Joseph you have touched on a real life situation I think many of us have encountered, including myself.
Granted we don't like to feel we are ruled by jealously and possessiveness in relationships, but why do we feel these things when certain situations arise?
Are these feelings a natural byproduct when we feel the relationship is somehow being threatened, and therefore we are trying to protect it somehow? Does having these feelings somehow protect the relationship, or does it signal to our partner that we really care about them? Are these feelings related to trust and or the lack of?
If we do have these feelings, what then are we supposed to do with them? How can we keep these feelings, thoughts in perspective and not let them rule our psyches?
Any comments?
Regards
Scott |
Jay
Member
Post Number: 338
Registered: 01-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2004 - 09:25 pm: |
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Hi all,
I do know inside of myself that these feelings are a by product or a milder intial feeling of our aggressive and violent manipulated DNA in this planet. I think one needs to understand that these feelings we have in a love relationship must be to me in my view spurs of anger and violence within us.
Relationships which turn into violent and horrible situations are a higher example of what we do in our aggressive tendencies as warrior humans, you read about this all the time in the news of murders and similar things in relationships.
Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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Joseph_emmanuel
Member
Post Number: 21
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 01:15 pm: |
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Scott
I can’t answer your questions. I feel strongly that jealousy and possessiveness are feelings of inner insecurity, emotional immaturity. What I would really like to know, therefore, is how does one who is emotionally mature deal with the knowledge that his partner is seeing someone else? This is completely hypothetical, of course. It is not a situation with which I am currently faced. It is a situation that I reflect on occasionally because being human I can’t help but think every now and then what if this were to happen. Of course, I try not to think about it. I try not to be jealous, especially when I have no reason to be. But it sometimes infiltrates my thoughts, and when it does I wonder if it is mature to feel jealous, to pretend to have some emotional claim over another, to behave as though you are the wronged person, as though an act of injustice has been made against you, to make that other person, your partner, feel ashamed about what she, or he, has done? Or is this immature, and that the mature approach is to be practical about it, to come to terms with it and move on in whichever direction you choose? Generally speaking this is something we tend to do after we’ve experienced the full blow of our emotions, and I guess some people are able to do this a lot quicker than others. So maybe this attitude we ultimately take is the attitude of an emotionally mature individual who does not allow his emotions to be undermined by affairs of the heart, although I am not suggesting that I should try to exceed myself emotionally, unless I have it in me to do so? |
Cpl
Member
Post Number: 12
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 04:48 pm: |
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I have a question pertaining to Plejaran polygamy that perhaps someone can answer, especially with information from Billy's material.
The Plajarans say that in nature we find males mating with a number of females, due to their siring capabilities, hence polygamy follows the way/law of nature.
There seems to be a problem with the logistics however. For Plejaran males to marry on average 4-5 females there must either be 4-5 times as many females as males, or unhitched males will outnumber the hitched by around 4 times. Or perhaps the males get together, something which seems most unlikely given Plejaran comments on homosexuality.
On Earth, there are approximately the same number of females to males (with just a few more females than males) suggesting very strongly that the best number of wives for males on Earth would be one and on occasion two.
These are fairly obvious logistics and I imnagine Billy or the PLejarans must have covered it somewhere but I can't find any clear answer.
Any clear answers anyone?
Thanks,
cpl. |
Michael_d
Member
Post Number: 102
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 11:13 pm: |
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Cpl,
I presented the same logical argument as yours on at least two occasions with nary a reply.
This one was posted on March 31, 2004:
Just wondering, in a world where polygamy is practiced, does the birth rate of males/females naturally adjust as the number of polygamous marriages increase? What I mean is, if the ratio of males/females is 1:1, then for every polygamous marriage with one male and two female partners, there would be a male that could not marry. As the number of polygamous marriages increase, and as the number of female partners in each polygamous union increase, there would be more males denied access to a female partner. In the extreme, if the distribution of males and females of marrying age is equal, and all females are in a polygamous union with one male and five females total, then 4 of 5 (or 80 percent) of the males would be without a partner. This scenario seems to me more likely to invite the expression of uncontrolled male sexual activity than a monogamous civilization where all males have greater access to female partners. |
Joseph_emmanuel
Member
Post Number: 90
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 12:47 pm: |
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Hi folks
I have a question I'd like to ask you all. Why do we feel we need someone in our lives? Is it essential to our being? Why do we take pity on ourselves and end up feeling lonely when we have no one to turn to, to love, to hold? You'd expect children to feel this way, not adults. But no matter how tough you are, sooner or later your emotions get the better of you. Is this an obsession we have to want to be with someone, or is it perfectly natural? |
Markc
Member
Post Number: 207
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 12, 2005 - 11:37 pm: |
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Hi Joseph ;
It seems to be symptomatic of immaturity to seek out just anyone for company , but a sign of maturity to seek those that have a mutual understanding , or close to it .
Mark
Mark Campbell
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Cpl
Member
Post Number: 105
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 03:43 am: |
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Hi JE,
Since it ultimately perpetuates the human race it is perfectly natural. It is also a social and sexual counterpart of returning to unity and oness. It is felt pretty much to the degree one also feels isolation. The human being is designed to experience this. It is through the isolation that one feels the need to return to unity.
We are obviously designed to be singular and explore while also being drawn to unity and universality. It is the dichotomy of human existence.
Since there is more than one human being existing it operates socially too. As all are ultimately returning to Source/Creation so people are drawn to those perceived (not necessarily who are) approaching, or closer to, Creation/Source than is the perceiver at the time. Or what is thought or felt to be needed to return to greater unity is sensed in/with/about the other. Of course, this operates emotionally and instinctualy as well as intellectually because humans are emotional as well as intellectual.
Sexually this can result in a sacred emotional union of love, but this depends on one's definition of emotion, and Figu members seem to believe that love has no emotion, a belief which is likely to leave most people feeling decidedly cold. Still, emotion is there, and involves the human in the most loving of sexual relations that creates a unique and marvellous unity that perpetuates the human race. It is therefore an instinctual and necessary drive for the human to experience. Without it we could not exist naturally (and would have died out eons ago), but only through mechanical artificial insemination techniques, like some alleged Grey species.
Learning how to handle and respond to this instinctual emotional drive in all its beauty and for the best is again a part of our evolutionary experience. The accounts of those Greys, whether true or fictional, show us that being devoid of emotion here is not the answer for those in physical incarnation. As ever it's how we handle it that counts. The challenge is to do our best, handling it with wisdom, love, and beauty whenever we can. |
Memo00
Member
Post Number: 154
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 08:21 am: |
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hi joseph
its supposed that the more evolved is a human being the stronger is the need for someone to love, but obviously here on earth in many cases it is just an obsesion and a symptom of immaturity,
like in all, the secret is to find balance, so one needs time to be alone but also to be with other persons, how much of each one is something that you must decide,
it is part of our nature as human beings to want to be with other human beings, but sometimes it is just an "Escape", and escape from ourselves, we want to be with other persons because we are afraid, we are afraid because of our ignorance, we are afraid because we don´t know ourselves, in this case meditation helps a lot, because the truth is that all you really need to be happy is already inside yourself, peace and joy and the feeling of being one with all. . . (I KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE ALL THOSE EMPTY WORDS THAT PEOPLE REPEAT ONE AND ANOTHER TIME LIKE PARROTS, BUT IF YOU REALLY PUT THEM IN PRACTICE THEN YOU WILL KNOW THAT IT IS THE TRUTH)
once you are an "independient" human being who can be happy anytime, anywhere, with other persons or on his/her own, then you can really know what true love is,
sadly millions of persons in this planet marry because of fear, not because of love, and they remain together all their lifes not because they love each other to the point that they can´t live without his/her partner, but because they are afraid of being alone. . .
it is natural to want somebody with whom you can share your innermost being, but to find a person like that is not something that happens everyday, it is a natural event that only happens rarely like a solar eclipse. . .
so do not become obsessed with anything and live your life like it is your last day, because even if you find that special person, the time will come when you will have to say goodbye. . . |
Joseph_emmanuel
Member
Post Number: 92
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 09:54 am: |
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Hi Mark
Thanks for your reply.
But why do you supppose we feel we need someone in our lives, even someone with a mutual understanding? Is this normal? Or does society have a lot to answer to? My mother often asks me when I'm going to get married and have children, while singletons like myself, whether male or female, are frequently made to feel by society they are not complete without a partner. |
Cpl
Member
Post Number: 108
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 06:39 pm: |
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If "understanding" cannot stand on its own its owner prefers someone to share it with who will agree with them. When understanding is complete it requires no one to bolster it up. I have never had anyone with whom I share a completely mutual understanding in my life, and I do not need that. Even my wife, bless her, does not, and that's fine. Perhaps this is because in my family we were all so very different so I grew up being used to that. In many families mutual desires, feelings and emotions exist and these may well become a part of the personality as it grows up, and coupled with expectations for them to continue into adulthood. In this sense IMO it is as normal as anything else about the personality. In many ways you've answered your questions there, Je. Society instills in people these emotions. Of course, there is the feeling of incompleteness without a partner, how else will people come together and perpetuate the race? All humans are subject to feelings of incompleteness, and the emotional and sexual drives to bring the species together. This is natural. This could be called a polarity that seeks a balance or nutrality in which it can experience harmony, completeness, fulness and oneness. The specific feelings of incompleteness instilled by society at large, or in detail as within the family, are not necessary so much as instituionalized because of their ubiquity. Some people do not respond to these. After all everyone will eventually find their own way of responding to "this call" when they feel it is right for them. To actually demand or expect this of another betrays a certain ignorance of how each is different and how each will find their own road to love, and emotional and filial fulfilment. Often parents are emotionally addicted to family members and this can lead to their expecting emotional fulfilment from them through certain reactions, that would further involve the addictions. IMO when this addiction can be cut or overcome the person previously addicted can then allow the others in the family to fulfill themselves naturally without demands or expectations. Many parents pin their hopes and expectations on their children. It is natural for parents to want the best for their children, however, this then brings in the parents beliefs of what is best, and the whole picture then becomes much more complex, as their beliefs are often tied up with their emotions. IMO it is not natural to "expect" anything in terms of partners from ones children. It is natural to nurture and cherish ones children and wish the best for them, but what they will, and must, do is for them alone to decide. However IMO few parents think or feel this, and fewer still live up to it. It is for you yourself to decied whether you are complete or incomplete without a partner, because only you can know the truth of that. Some people are quite happy without a partner, because they never want to live with another, never find ayone who they think or feel is truely suitable as a partner, or if they do the other party does not feel the same way and so no lasting relationship transpires. Generally it is normal to want a partner/family relationship because that perpetuates the species and its culture so there are instinctual, emotional, and sexual drives there. However, it takes all kinds to make a world, including those who are happy to be just alone, and indeed all sometimes feel this desire, some enough to remain alone all their lives. |
Jo_jo
Member
Post Number: 53
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 10:27 pm: |
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Cpl,
You said Figu members seem to believe that love has no emotion, a belief which is likely to leave most people feeling decidedly cold
I may be wrong, but my understanding is that "emotion" is a reactionary impulse, something most people can't or don't consciously control very well. Feelings are a bit higher level and are the result of one's thoughts and thinking. I don't know what to say about true love, because I doubt I'm capable of achieving that state of being. However, true love has nothing to do with sexual feelings or the sex act. One may be in a state of true love and engage in sex, but not all sexual encounters are a manifestation of true love. Most are a consequence of lust, hormones or the vibrations resulting from certain astrological aspects. |
Cpl
Member
Post Number: 109
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 09:29 am: |
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Hi Jo-jo, People's "understanding" and ideas of what love, emotion and feelings are vary immensely. Dictionary definitions overlap. Jakob and I discussed this at some length in earlier posts. If you doubt you are capable of experiencing true love you probably won't. But again people's definitions of true love vary greatly. "One may be in a state of true love and engage in sex, but not all sexual encounters are a manifestation of true love." Quite so. "Most are a consequence of lust, hormones or the vibrations resulting from certain astrological aspects." Many books could be written on "why" people get into sexual encounters. It didn't seem to me that Je was talking about sexual encounters so I saw no point in going into that area. "However, true love has nothing to do with sexual feelings or the sex act." If I understand the basal level you are commenting on, I agree entirely. Again it depends on one's definition or meaning of "true love" which varies so much. The most loving and tender of embraces and unions that result in childbirth IMO can be called true love because they are poles apart from the mere sex act or "false" love that is sex masquerading as love; however sex is still present (it must be for the species to continue) but it is not the -- or perhaps even, a -- point of focus. Sex in this type of union is just one of the ways in which tenderness love, and feelings for the other are expressed to that other in careful attempt to please and fulfill them, as much as self. When truly loving someone, thoughts are for that partner and their well-being rather than self. Personally, I believe all couples are capable of this, though it seems most, at least at times, lose it. The tenderness and care become necessary in the exploration to fulfillment for the couple, for one's love for the other banishes -- at least in intent -- the possibility of allowing hurt, pain or suffering to the partner. It is so magnificent an experience and so available that it amazes me it is of such rarity, but then what do I know of people's private moments together? Perhaps they experience it with greater regularity than one is apt to think. I certainly can't assume off hand that people don't experience the highest and truest levels of human love. |
Jo_jo
Member
Post Number: 55
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 09:26 pm: |
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Cpl,
Aren't the alleged "greys" android beings? |
Cpl
Member
Post Number: 112
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 09:32 am: |
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Hi Jj, Well, allegedly, there are many types of Grey. This again would depend on one's definition of "android." I do not "know" they exist, though I suspect they do. My own research suggests the ones illustrated by a Doctor for Leonard Stringfield are a kind of Biological Robotic Being created or cloned without emotion and human will. How much if anything about them is mechanical I have no idea. I used the term robotic (which I admit to not being an ideal term) because it seems to me that lacking human will they need orders to follow (somewhat like the military but a lot more so). This might conform to some people's idea of an android, however. I'm not so much concerned in the above discussion of whether they exist or not. We can learn from the anecdotal accounts of these beings as to how they function without emotions and can learn illustrative lessons about potential problems relating to reproduction and emotions merely from the hypotheses or accounts suggesting their existence. Hence, whether they are android or not I see as ultimately irrelevant to the above discussion. If you are asking for my opinion: If "android" means a mixture of biological and mechanical, some of the Greys may well be android, but I have no conscious memory of interaction with them so I cannot say for sure. IMO others perhaps are not android. But, as I say, I do not "know". |
Markc
Member
Post Number: 208
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 12:16 am: |
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Hi Joseph ;
Good question ! It may be a combination of factors , giving in to expectations , and the natural need to wake up next to a lump !
In my view it's better to be alone than to be with the wrong person. In my case , in someone else's perspective , since I am not a church-going christian , I am therefore the wrong person , and so , I don't really put any energy or effort into fulfilling the girl's family's set of requirements .
Better for me to find a nice rebel that wants to bring home a musician who speaks honestly , and who doesn't play to religious values . "The girl loves who her mother hates" .It's a prescription for romance , I reckon .
I rather like to look at a prospective mate as someone who is attracted to brave and radical new thought , instead of someone who is attracted to a set of predicatable anchors (statutes / outcomes).
The more integrated with yourself that you are , centered and clear thinking , the better you relations are with women .
The pursuit of spiritual growth is like a magnet , but for how it makes you , and not for the perception that you have the answers , etc.
In other words , although you think differently than most people , your inner thoughts remain your best ally when they are not expressed too freely in conversation.
Your demeanor and actions as well as words are fed from the interior , like an engine that is hidden .
All the best , Mark
Mark Campbell
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Zefram
New member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 02:55 pm: |
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Hi all,
what do you think about the encounter of soul mate on Earth, and the beggining of the auquarius age?. I´m interested on this matters since I was a child, these two issues the extraterrestrials and the soul mate. Can you please, tell me something?
Salome,
Zefram |
Norm
Member
Post Number: 780
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 - 06:04 pm: |
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Zefram, Billy said there is no such thing as a soul mate! |
Vestri
Member
Post Number: 20
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 05:27 am: |
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Jacob said: "The female bisexuality has its natural grounds in the fact that a woman can 'fertilize' another woman by psychological means in the case of emergency, by means of a psychological connection which will cause the process of autogenesis in a woman which means that an egg will start to grow out of itself into a child without the need of a male sperm. This child will be female however. This is a rare occurrence, but possible in every fertile woman."
Hello Jacob, is this true? But how could this possibly be? I don't doubt what you say there because I know (just from reading many of your valued past forum posts) that your not the type of person who would be saying something that sounds so unbelieveable and far fetched like that, unless you knew it were true. Isn't the only way a woman can get pregnant is if the woman's (material) egg is materially fertilized by a male's (material) sperm in a material fashion? Could you or anyone else here please tell me a little bit more about this incredible revelation on how a female can fertilize another female's egg by pyschological means?
You weren't too clear about this there, but I take it you mean there that a female through her psychological connection (relationship?) with another female can make the other female pyschologically fertilize herself/her own egg? |
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