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    Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi All, I was wondering on the bus today, how is i that the Plejarens understand so much about people here on Earth? For example, the very first time that they wanted to become aware of all the intigues that happened here on Earth and they arrived here, how do they go about finding out? Do they float around the marketplace in their beamships and listen to conversations all day long or do they just go directly into the thoughts of everyday people? For example, in the time of Jmmanuel, how would they find out who is king, and what he is thinking, and what his lineage is? I am thinking they would slowly piece it together piece by peace by walking among us for a while and asking people and engaging in converations, but I also thought that they would stick out like a sore thumb, wouldn't they? Their peaceful ways and behaviour would be viewed as abnormal and strange by the people. Also, how do they track people? That is to say, how can they locate someone from high above in space and pinpoint their location and identity witout the concerned person wearing a tracking device of some sort? What is their tracking system based on? Brain waves? Some other waves that we are not aware of? Strange alien technology... | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi sonik, I understood the plejaren cannot come close to humans due to a serious "mental vibration" differences.I don`t know if they can wear devices that avoid that,because i think they could pass in a modern city as normal people.Perhaps they`ve done it already,i don`t know.They are galaxy relatives to us somehow.There have to be many similarities between humans.They have been here many times to study and guide us.I would swear they have technology to become "invisible",shielded.In the end they are the evolved race,not us.I "imagine" they track individuals reading their vibrational frecuencies or sort of "labeling" our spirit.50000 years of spiritual advancement is much time. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 197 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear forum friends I wonder what the assessment of us terrestrials are from the vantage point of the plejarens these days. I am sure much has to improve in terms of our push to reduce our population, the reduction in the number of nuclear facilities, not to mention the arsenal of various destructive weapons, the reduction of global emmisions, logging of forests, and whole swaife of other problems we have created but I am still pessimistic about our human nature. The reasons being, although they are free to live their lives the way they wish to, I have come across so many people who's values I cannot come to terms with and more so as I fix and amend myself towards the path laid out for us by billy's spiritual Creational teachings. Although at time and its happens more often, I lose patience and deeper understanding for them when they degrade themselves with their petty ego driven arguments that end up nowhere but leave them bitter that they have been hard done by and they continue unabashed stoical and egotistical. I realise I can't force my value system on others and have to let them learn their own lessons in due time, I cannot help but feel so helpless knowing that in the end its myself who have to control my reactions to other people's negativities yet the divide become much more wider between them and myself the more I tried to live my life based on the teachings. I never expected it to be easy and often you are confronted by animosities of others for being so different yet who is in the wrong given what the truth is. But then again its not a question about who is in the right and who is in the wrong as there are higher purposes and ideals we the knowers of truth must work towards. Anyway I wonder what the plejarens think of us? Knowing the answers already doesn't negate the desire to hear it from the horses mouth. any clues fellas? | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Newinitiation, I agree with your views. It is almost impossible to communicate with the egotistical and sceptical types. Anyone who has conversed with a sceptic knows that it is impossible to come to a logical conclusion. They outright refuse to look at the facts because they are so convinced that their view is the right one. In other words, they have already made up their minds that Billy Meier, the Plejaren, the teachings and so on are false, and only when they are proven to be absolutely in error, they will finally realize their mistakes. Sometimes the most egotistical still do not change their point of view, for fear of embarrassment and ridicule. Having said that, some are simply not ready for this kind of information and it can come as too big a shock to their system. It could even be dangerous to the health of those most brainwashed by religions and false thinking, so it is wise not to attempt to convince them but only express one's views in a clear and neutral way. Concerning the Plejaren, they will probably never know the bog we are in here on Earth unless they walk a mile in our shoes, as the saying goes, but I am sure they have the utmost respect for those fulfilling the mission. Regards Adam | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 219 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hello All, This question is for anyone who wants to answer. One of the contact reports stated that the Plejaren have placed thoughts inside the minds of scientists and writers to offer them the chance to use those thoughts to develop new inventions which the Plejaren thought we needed, or to influence our books/movies/media to bring more truth to us in that fashion. The Plejaren said this was acceptable because the individuals in question had the opportunity to accept or reject the implanted thoughts of their own free will. So my question is - why don't the Plejarens try to help more people this way? If it's moral and ethical for them to do that to scientists and writers, why not for everyone else at times? It seems this could be a very positive way of improving our lives on this world. Namaste, Hunter | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 219 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Hunter, I don't remember reading anywhere the specific answer as to why there are "only" thousands of Earthlings who have the privilege of this unusual guidance, but I can offer an answer, which I think is correct, based on logic. The Plejaren Federation assists DIRECTLY as little as humanly possible in order to avoid doing for us Earthlings what we MUST learn to do for OURSELVES. Otherwise we would be forever unequipped to stand up on our own two feet and be adult members of the Human race qualified to take a place at the cosmic family table. Let’s not forget that – due to the ancient manipulation of our genes to turn us into warrior slaves who would be denied a full millennium life-span - we don’t actually fully emotionally mature until the twilight of our short lives. Plejaren don’t come of age until 70, when most of us are ready to shuffle off to the other side! (Explains a lot, eh?) When we are growing up, our parents/guardians naturally bear some of our personal responsibility, but it is also the personal responsibility of all parents to raise their children in such a way that they are not eternally dependent on them. That’s one of those Creational laws and directives that can be observed in nature. www.gaiaguys.net/LawsandDirectives.htm Dear Newinitiation, I think you are simply on the steep edge of the great learning curve, and the worst is probably already behind you as long as you can overcome your pessimism and learn the requisite skill of neutral-positive thinking. Sure it’s hard, but not THAT hard and the rewards greatly outweigh the effort. I was a terrible pessimist (I called it realism) for about 40 years, operating under the principal that if I was correct in the outcome of something that went wrong, I could feel vindicated, and if I was wrong and everything turned out fine I could be pleasantly surprized! :-) Incidentally, some weeks ago you asked a very specific question and I said I thought the answer might be in 49 Q&A. I‘ve forgotten what the question was. Sorry. Can you please remind me where that was in the tangled threads of our many massages here? Thanks! Don’t get depressed by the spooks on the ATS board. They are only doing their dirty jobs, which is looping rope around their necks. We’ll just let them take as much rope as they like and let the elemental power of truth do the rest. Creation works in mysterious ways its wonders to perform. This is from OM, Kanon 9: (www.gaiaguys.net/OM.k9.htm ) 27. Und weiterhin verwerfen und verleugnen sie die Schöpfung und damit die Wahrheit, und so die Liebe, das Wissen und die Weisheit also. 27. And furthermore they reject and deny Creation, and therewith the truth, and therefore love, thus knowledge and wisdom. 28. Ihnen ist aber neuerlich Kunde getan über die Wahrheit, die sie lachend verspotten. 28. But they have been newly informed about the truth, that they laughingly mock. 29. Doch nicht unbestrafet bleibet ihr schändliches Tun. 29. Yet their shameful deeds do not remain unpunished. 30. Denn sie erlegen sich selbst Strafe auf und Vernichtung, so auch getan haben viele Geschlechter vor ihnen. 30. Because they bring punishment and destruction upon themselves, as have many generations before them. 31. Sie selbst bestimmen sich die Strafe für ihr Unwesen und für ihre Verspottung und Verleugnung der Schöpfung und der Wahrheit und Liebe. 31. They determine the punishment for themselves for their abuse and for their mocking and denial of Creation and truth and love. 32. Ihre Strafe aber ruhet in frühen Toden und in Aengsten davor, und sie ruhet in Krankheit und Krieg, in Unfrieden und Hass, in Uebellaunigkeit und Misserfolg, und in Schmerz, Zerstörung und Vernichtung. 32. But their punishment lies in early death and in fear thereof, and it lies in sickness and war, in strife and hate, in ill humor and failure, and in pain, destruction and annihilation. 33. Und sie erzeugen all die Dinge des Bösen in sich und um sich selbst. 33. And they bring about all these evil things in themselves and around themselves. Salome, Dyson | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 235 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi maybe they do it (with some)but plain and simply people are unaware of it anyway i think that it is illogical to "direct" other persons actions to the "right path", each person must take its own decision and make its own mistakes we must not be lazy and await for others to do what is our responsibility, life is hard but also beautiful and it is only when you accept the responsibility and face all the hardships that you can really be conscious it is then and only then that you become a real human being which can appreciate all the marvels that surround us and that knows with absolute certainty how good is it to be alive. . . take care | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 221 Registered: 07-2005 |
dear dyson G'day dyson I was peering into the clear night sky the other night trying to see as far as I could possibly through the obstrusions of glares from the manmade suburban lights and just let my mind be taken away by the majesty and awe of the grand expanse of the universe with all it twinkling stars. There upon the gaze, I've looked down to earth to discover just how insignificant our personal problems were that usually grips us into a twisted mess that we seldom realise is a brief glance away from being put into its proper proportion and perspective. Now I try to peer into the sky everyday. I don't know whether it was destiny or just luck that I've been so fortunate in this lifetime to come across billy and likewise people like you dyson/vivienne but if I reflect on the past, everything seems to fit in the right place, to give it the right meaning for me to end up where I am today. As with Tjames, tony and many victims, I also share their burden believe it or not, as they say everyone has a story to tell and it is in this serendipitous irony that I have forged a fate that have brought me together to the people whose fate mirrors that of my own, this would at least explain albeit subconsciously this burning longing to put things right whatever comes my way, even on an idealistic grounds which drives me towards the realisation of it. So there Dyson, the seed of my own future has already been sown which I have come to recognise within the last year or two, like yourself there is no turning back on. My reluctance in exchanging messages through your email was prompted when I initially tried I had received lurid messages directing me to porn sites which I believe definitely wasn't part of your action, my first try was at least 7-8 months ago, I still receive them to this day from countless other sites. Anyway if it possible and if you do have some spare time in your hands whether you could give us a rundown from the beginning of your case with OTO, I am endeavouring to fit the pieces together but somehow time contraints have all but limited me from getting a total picture to adequately understand the intricate details of your case. cheers | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 225 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Newinitiation, Thank you for your brave and moving account. Of course Billy seems to be a living example of how someone can go through the torments of the damned and only be strengthened by the ordeals. To me, you sound like the same sort of man. From OM, 32:1126. “Fire purifies gold and consumes wood.” I’ve long personally subscribed to the idea that “that which does not kill me makes me stronger” and since then added something Billy wrote, “the human’s only limitation is death”. It’s quite surprising what you can actually achieve with these working guides, but the amount of responsibility is quite huge at the moment (someday I’ll relate what’s going on now) and after understanding the Creational laws and directives, and starting to really see spiritually, which is not that hard to learn how to do, then these internalized lessons must be put to work, and the best guide you’ve got then is that fragment of Creation within yourself. At this moment the Australian Elite Protected Pedophiles are very unhappy that one of their politicians has broken ranks and allowed some of their induced sadism in our indigenous communities to be revealed. He is starting to learn what happens to someone who tries to let the cat out of the bag and the corporate media is printing carefully chosen photographs of him looking like an idiot, etc. The cyber-spooks are screaming “racist”, etc. On the TV news last night they said that 10% of boys were raped before the age of 14. They contend that that is ten times the national average for non- indigenous boys, but I think that’s a very conservative number. From this morning’s Sydney Morning Herald: “Although doctors had treated the victims they had not alerted police.” “There have been many reports into this problem in the past 10 years. The words run into tens of thousands - and the grim tales and stark failures of various governments and community leaders have been passed, even directly, into the hands of decision-makers at all levels of government: state, federal and territory. Even the Prime Minister, John Howard, has been given copies.” http://www.smh.com.au/text/articles/2006/05/19/1147545529313.html Here’s more on this vile (as Billy might say) “schmierige Hundesfotte” (greasy dog’s vagina). www.gaiaguys.net/howlink.htm That’s actually an insult to dogs, but language has its limits. But Creation is generous and your night-sky therapy is an excellent one. Works for me! But people in the northern hemisphere are unfortunate. Take a look at what I can see here at night. http://www.mso.anu.edu.au/gallery/slideshow.php?set_albumName=shobbrook And the sky really DOES look like that here in the bush. Even almost 35 years after migrating here from Boston, where I grew up, and Stuttgart where I was stationed in the USAF, it still takes my breath away and makes my eyes water with awe. But now … after my ET enlightenment, I can go, “Look! There’s Proxima Centauri, where Kohun and Athar live!” My sense of wonder has been refined, and instead of an unfathomable riddle, I now see myriad homes of REAL humans! As they said in the UK wheat in 2002, “There is good out there.” www.gaiaguys.net/Chilbolton01.htm It’s just Earth humans who are the pits, not humans everywhere, so understand that you are only a persecuted minority HERE. You ask for a summary of the Eastern Templar scandal here. VERY briefly, a fellow activist here, (who similarly survived a pistol attack meant to silence him) alerted us to “Sarah’s” story which David Icke had just published. We found it there and published it here: www.gaiaguys.net/victoria.htm in full knowledge that 1.) the dragon would find us, 2.) he would try unsuccessfully to swallow us, 3.) he would try unsuccessfully to spit us out, 4.) he would start to choke, 5.) he would eventually die, and finally 6.) we would cut ourselves out of his carcass and emerge into the sunlight again. At the moment we think we’re approaching stage 5. It’s all very calculated, but it’s a big dragon too, and rather lonely work. We have a little index here: www.gaiaguys.net/gaiaguysversusOTOlist.htm and this is an interesting letter we wrote to the corrupt tribunal where we are being put on trial AGAIN (once already in Canberra for defamation) this coming November, this time for having a “hate” website! www.gaiaguys.net/vic.humanrightsreply2005.htm In these degenerate times, we are evidently all meant to just "love" people who adhere to things like, "We have nothing with the outcast and the unfit: let them die in their misery. For they feel not. Compassion is the vice of kings: stamp down the wretched & the weak: this is the law of the strong: this is our law and the joy of the world." - the (registered as a tax-exempt religious organisation in Australia) OTO's Book of the Law www.gaiaguys.net/book.of.law.htm I’ll leave it there for now, Newinitiation, and just remind you that mastering your thoughts, moods, emotions, etc. is just a skill which is learned like any other, and goes quickly once you realize that NOBODY else is responsible for those things, other than yourself. It’s very empowering, but is difficult to accept at first. Salome, Dyson P.S. Sorry about the hackers of our site & email. It seems to be well beyond our control. They steal our snailmail too. This seemingly very secure discussion board seems to be the only way I can do it sometimes. (Dear moderator, please feel free to move this thread which has drifted somewhat from the topic. Thanks.) | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 165 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Hunter, You asked: "So my question is - why don't the Plejarens try to help more people this way? If it's moral and ethical for them to do that to scientists and writers, why not for everyone else at times? It seems this could be a very positive way of improving our lives on this world." You may have already figured out the answer(s) to your question, but here is my answer. This is strictly logical. I'll start with the hard part. Lets assume that you are a Scientist and plan to rehabilitate a particularly devastated habitat somewhere around the world and you figure out the best way possible to accomplish your goal is by analyzing the Bird population for example. You, by certain observation tactics at that time you observe that the healthy birds seem to have a greater potential and influence or lead the other birds. The distinction between the smarter, stronger and faster birds and the slow, deformed, lazy and everyone in between is visible. Although, in the animal kingdom I would assume the gap is not as large as in the human. After carfull analysis your find that certain birds are capable of quicker learning and get out of jams quicker than others. So the Scientist(s) figure that in order to assist this habitat and help the bird population (based on the current understanding) it is best to assist the few who show a strong liklihood of assimilating and adapting and therefore given some much needed vitamins & minerals but just enough so they are boosted but not dependent. Most importantly, these are the ones who will be the leaders/influencial of the bunch so they lead their fellow comrades to the best feeding area or cleanest pond or the best patch of trees to nest in. Conversely, If these scientists were to go out in the wild with the same species of bird and simply feed them all, what do you think would happen? I think they would simply become dependent on the nutritional suppliments and abandon their instinct to hunt. I think there is a certain level of neccessary distance and intervention in order to maintain and ensure that we are actually making the choices and changing ourselves. If we choose to help someone it should be because we conciously decided on this and therefore truthfully benefit from the act and all of it's consequences. Just to be clear I'm saying If the Plejaren were to even subconciously assist everyone, would this really be beneficial to us? Honestly, I don't know, but I am leaning towards a certain direction. I don't say it is this way or that. To be completely honest, how do we know that the Plejaren aren't assisting us subconciously right now? Then, there are the people who are involved with the FIGU. I am betting that the good portion of us, if NOT ALL have been at-least assisted by the telemeter disc. Last summer I was viewing the night sky, which was partially hazy and I decided to practice sending specific thoughts out into the cosmos. "If the telemeter disk can pick up my thoughts send me a message" Now I may have simply been seeing things but I recall very distinctly that once I relaxed and basically forgot that I had sent the message out, something compelled me to open my eyes and low and be hold there was a long skipping streak of white light across the sky for about 3 seconds. Look at picture #57 in and yet they fly. Some like to call them shooting stars or falling meteors. I am a sky watcher, I know the difference, although it honestly could have been one, one like i've never seen before. So, I was so shocked by this I decided to try it the next night. This time I sent out a thought and cleared my mind. Practically within 10 minuttes, again after I had left normal conciousness, (open eyed meditation because I didn't want to miss anything) , I saw what looked to be picture #60 in AndYetTheyFly. Thats all Folks. Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dyson, Tjames, Thanks for your replies. I think it is logical to assume they would be more inclined to help the more spiritually advanced among us. However, there seems to be a contradiction in the action. What I mean by this is, other spiritually younger people will still benefit by the inventions made by their spiritual elders. So, their lives will be easier as a result. Maybe I'm in error with equating ease and spiritual stagnation, but I think that's definitely a possible risk. As for "How do we know the Plejaren aren't assisting us right now?" That's a good question. One which we have to assume is possible. Maybe they're more secretive about it and haven't told Billy in this case because the negative "backlash" would be more severe. I guess there's no way to know for certain unless they confirm it to Billy one way or another. Namaste, Hunter | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 106 Registered: 01-2004 |
tjames, that's pretty interesting, i've seen a good share of lights and other things in the sky aswell. i dont share it that much anymore though, it brings an equal amount of trouble as it does positivity. i have one question... what do you mean by "I saw what looked to be picture #60 in AndYetTheyFly. " do you mean the image appeared in your mind, or you seen it in the sky? some years ago when i first got into the billy meier situation, i had a habit of trying to figure out things that possibly could'nt be figured out at the time. i started to mix my hopes and desires with the strange events that were going on in my life at the time. today i doubt the faces that i seen, and the people that taught me in my dreams were plejarens (i figured, why not plejarens?)but regardless, one night i had an impulse to get out of bed and look out my balcony... so i did. i thought of the person that oneday seemed to appear in my dreams and appear as images in my mind during day to day life. i looked up and said (to whoever may or maynot be watching me) "i love you" (assuming somebody with good intentions was flying around up there) and as i said that phrase, at the very same moment a white light streaked across the point in the sky that i was looking at. i too have seen many shooting stars etc. aswell as many "lights" in the sky, although i cant tell which this was, the timing of the experience was curious enough. although i dont go around and say i love you to random people, it should be mentioned the last time i seen a "peculiar" light in the sky, rather than a wave hello i gave it the middle finger. if you have anymore interseting accounts to tell, perhaps you can email me? i tell people about my experiences but as was the case all my life, i just cant seem to find anybody experiencing these same things, and to the degree that i have, which is sort of frustrating. let me know if you'd like to email me. thanks | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 166 Registered: 12-2004 |
Yes Hunter, Peter I agree, there appears to be no way to "know for certain unless they confirm it to Billy". I think this would be the ultimate determining factor. But there are things that if one has enough insight and logical skills can figure the liklihood of certain occurances and why they occured although like you said we will not know for sure. I do take night lights in the sky somewhat with a grain of salt and I am aware of the odds of a genuine visual contact of viewing a telemeter disk, very slim. It would only be seen if and only if this was what the Plejaren wanted. And, this happens to be my whole point. There is the slimmer chance that it could be another Et group, and then a likelyhood that it was visually mentally created, but then the probability raises much higher when things like space junk flaring in our atmosphere or space rock igniting and hitting our atmosphere are brought up. Hi Peter, I physically viewed them in the night sky. Sure you can e-mail me @ tjames22@gmail.com I would be happy to talk about such things. I will tell you my theory on the issue. Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 843 Registered: 02-2000 |
What sucks is the Shadow Gov't & Co. are going ruin the earth. The plejarens are going to let them get away with it & all of us are going to go down with the ship. Then many years later the Shadow Gov'ts decedents are going to realize the error of their ways & tried to rebuild civilization. So no matter what they win, & its just doesn't see right to me. We don't even control the election process considering we were told the elections are now fixed! So how the hell are we supposed to do anything about it! My Website | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 12-2004 |
A coordinated effort with a clear and logical plan of operation fulfilled by a large group of well intentioned, caring and informed citizens around the world in a syncrinized order causing a cauterizing effect to the plans of conquest and domonation of our leaders at home and abroad. But, how you ask is there ever going to be a "large" group organized? We'll the clear answer I can ascertain is only through our vigilance and proper example will we encourage and inspire people to act accordingly to nature's laws. People who follow creations laws DO NOT put up with LYING, CHEATING, STEALING, or DISHONESTY OF ANY SORT. I feel this is very true so people who have been inspired by Norms exaple (for example) and see the way he "tells a story" or "Breaks the bad news" or "gives someone advice without offending" all of these things people see and obsorb into their psyche. So what I getting at is if we want a change Norm we must prove to those around us that this change is worth the effort. By our example, people tend to assimilate other peoples actions even without thinking about it. However if one is aware, they can consciously assimilate, but these people are probably working on change themselves. All I'm saying is the more we reflect what we want to become or what we want to change in the world, miraculously this change begins to occur. I've seen it. Or influence a really wealthy person or two who can in-turn influence their associates and buisness partners who likely are just as rich as they. Am I going anywhere with this? Sure I am! It's actually doing it which is whats going to get it done! My two cents. Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 06-2006 |
I am new to this forum and greet all...  I have a question: Why are the Plejarens, asking Billy to keep their information to the European region? What would happen if it spread? Hi Spaceman, There is a small issue with your account. I attempted to contact you by e-mail, but have recieved no response. Could you please e-mail me from the following link: http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/board-contact.cgi Thanks Scott-Moderator | ||
Joel New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hello all...I was wondering what your fine people think about the "clestial sons" mentioned in the Talmud of Jmmanuel, the ones who will be aiding us through this wonderful transition....now that Plejarens no longer live and work here, it is most likely another group, pherhaps people from Acart? | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 06-2006 |
Its been sometime snce my last post. I had another question regarding Billy's contact with Plejarens. Does Billy have connection (physical or telepathic) with any Pleajren? If not, why does a figu site (http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/statistics.htm) say he does have contact with some Plejarens till date? | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 06-2006 |
I didn't know where to post this question as it is an alleged ET contact of a woman named Elizabeth Klarer. She claims to have been on board of a space craft of a human ETs (similar to the Plej.) from Alpha Centuri. She also claims that the human spacer (named Akon) was her husband in her past life, is this contact genuine? | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 323 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Joel ; The Plejaren came back , actually . Billy has contacts often with them . Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 04-2006 |
These are Hans Lanzendorfers words,active Figu Member: "Eine ganz besondere Rolle spielt in der Fortset- zung weiterer kultreligiös verwirrter Kontakt- schwindler Elisabeth Klarer". The word meaining of the word schwindler is quite familiar to the english language http://www.lanzendorfer.ch/pdf/broschueren/an-ihren-fruechten.pdf. In that text Lanzendorfer uncovers alleged swindlers and hoaxers,helped by ptaahs,askets testimonies. | ||
Celestialbrother New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi all, I am new to this forum and this is my first post. Quetzal had made some useful devics for Billy using his vast knowledge, could someone describe what these devices are and their uses? | ||
Celestialbrother New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2006 |
Who exactly is Ashter Sheran, Iov Benda calims to have been contacted by him. Is it true that he is a high ranked person in a squadron or something? | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 04-2006 |
I remember the Plejaren adapted billys typewriting machine so that he could write faster.But i dont imagine the Ps working wonders for Billy,or making things much easier for him.(He himself would not agree with that). Ashtar Sheran was a violent criminal that died in 1983 when he tried to attack Askets people in the Dal universe. Be welcomed to the forum, Cheers | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 241 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi as explained in Guido Moosbrugger´s book "And Still They Fly" (which i recommend you) Ashtar Sheran is the pseudonym for an extraterrestrial leader called Aruseak which was active active on earth in a negative and criminal way up to the year 1937 Sometime in 1983 he and his followers were killed during a failed attack against a civilization (The Timars) that exist in other universe (called the DAL universe) any person claiming to have contact with him or his spirit etc is nothing more than a liar Mr. Ivo Benda is nothing more than a charlatan and a distorter of the truth! take care | ||
Apple New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 06-2006 |
1. a typewriter with lots of speed! 2. and protective devices to surround the center some others also. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 06-2006 |
How did Benda even come to know about Asther Sheran, and where does Ashter Sheran come from, is it the Alpha Centuri..? | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 246 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Spaceman Mr Benda is not the only one who "knows" about Ashtar, in the web you can find innumerable pages about him (and his imaginary messages to humankind) maybe there are even books. . . it is more or less the same than with Saint Germain and the "Ascended Masters", anyone can write whatever they please and make some money or plain and simply loose themselves in the fanaticism, in a world of self-created delusions as with any other belief. . . i dont know where does he was born, but it could have been practically in any place of the universe (or even here on the Earth / or even in another universe or dimension. . .) ´cause the group to which he belonged had the technology to go wherever they pleased but after all whats the difference? a criminal is a criminal here and in China, men´s laws maybe different but in the end there always something inside of us that tell us what´s right and whats wrong (to tell lies, to kill, to steal, etc) take care | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 06-2006 |
What about Elizabeth Klarer's contact of a man named Akon from the Alpha Centuri..? Her encounter was also aknowledged in the UN, or so I read. What is the truth regarding her contact? Are there any beings in the Alpha Centuri, and do they also have contacts with the Plejarens? | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 247 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi again Spaceman it is not a "bad" thing to ask, but you simply cannot depend on other persons to discover the truth, you must find things by yourself the "rules" for doing this are very simple: believe in nothing question all analyze all before asking others ask yourself search for the logic in all be patient be constant and before spending hours, days or months in investigating someone or something, ask yourself: is it really worthwhile? what do i win from this? what would be the difference for me or for others? this way you will realize that most "contact" cases even if real (which is something very rare) are completely insignificant and unimportant, once you are comfortable with the idea that there is human life outside our blue planet, the photos, the videos and the stories of most "contactees" are nothing more than curiosities and souvenirs i recommend you again the book "And Still They Fly", there you will find interesting info including some about two persons from Proxima Centauri take care | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Spaceman, Regarding Elizabeth Klarer, she was mentioned in Contact 249 which is available online at: http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/249.htm Excerpt: "Beyond the shadow of any doubt, however, I can confirm that, at the present time, no descendants live on Earth, or elsewhere on alien worlds, who were sired either with women from Earth and extraterrestrial men or extraterrestrial women and men from Earth. Anyone who claims otherwise is a despicable liar and defamer, be it Elisabeth Klarer or some other fools who currently state such things." | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi all, Memo00 I do think also for myself and don't depend entierly on what I read. I ask only for your opinion, so that I may THINK over it. Considering the signficance of the contact of Elizabeth Klarer, it would only be good to be in contact with other worlds and consider their advices. Another reason I asked was because, I haven't known of Billy's contacts for long and the websites have no information about beings in Alpha Centuri. Hence, I thought as to how if Billy has met beings from stars as far as Deneb, then why not the closest (excl. Sun) star to us? Thanks to David_chance I have known that it is in the contact 249. The book and they still fly I am searching for it in stores. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 04-2006 |
Spaceman,i got interesting excerpts,again from Wendelle Stevens contact from Pleiades: Meier - ... How far outside our solar system is the next innabitated system, and does that world's inhabitants know of our Earth? Ptaah - The next inhabited system is around five light years away from Earth. Different worlds in that system are inhabited by human forms of life, who differ little from your races. In their development, they are some years in advance of that of Earth human beings, spiritually as well as technologically. They have already achieved space flight in primitive form, and also do visit Earth. Because their cosmic flight capabilities are very limited, they depend on assistance stations. Mid-way between their world and Earth, they have constructed a space station, which you can see far outside in space there (pointing to the viewing screen). They need such stations because they are still unable to launch their ships over large distances. Also, connected to their space-flight now is severe body pain, from which they narcotize them- selves for longer journeys in the cosmos. Besides the other races of these worlds, this one race comes often to Earth. This is because their homeworld, which is no greater than Earth herself, suffers from overcrowding, and needs huge quantities of food. For this reason, beings from that planet, called AKART come to Earth often, to collect there plants, vegetables, fruits and grains, to nourish their 23 billion population. They are mostly satisfied with taking seeds of fruits, grains, and vegetables, and also plant stocks, to set out on AKART - to grow there. Ptaah says about 5 lightyears away is the distance from here to Planet Akart.It can only be Alpha/Beta/Proxima Centauri. | ||
Wall2wall Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hello Spaceman. You remind me of me when I began learning about Billy and his contacts. Asking questions on the forum is fine, but SO much of what is asked here can be found on the figu website, or the associated websites of michael horn, or gaiaguys. My recommendation would be to spend more time sifting through the translated contact notes in order to gain some context and perspective of the message and the messenger and the mission. This way, you will answer alot of the questions you currently have and alot that you may not have posed yet. This may take some time and effort. It has taken me literally years to take in and digest as much as I have since 1986, and I STILL have only scraped the surface! In time, as you compare billy's information to that of other "contactees", it will become easier for you to separate the wheat from the chaffe on your own. | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Spaceman, Do you have the contact reports in English? You can pick them up at Ufophotoarchives.com. This is Wendelle Steven's site. Please also know that Wendelle Stevens is not approved or endorsed by Figu because there are many mistranslations and wrong information in his version of the contact notes. There is also lots of junk to sieve through on his website. Despite that, it is a good place to start. I think the information you are searching for is in the Messesges From Pleiedes: Vol 3, where the ET's were in a jungle in Bolivia and the contactee in question observed the UFO as it landed into the bush quite a distance away and was drawn into the jungle by some mysterious force which he could not explain until he finally came to the place where they were. I couldn't remember their names though - Akon and/or Ahoun? They were friends of Semjase, and they came from Proxima Centauri. They conversed with the man for a little while, shared some food, and then immediately left when he did not accept the mission to spread the news of his contact with them. It was only a one-time thing for this contactee. It seems there are many, many, many contactees around the globe being contacted from other worlds besides the Plejades. This seems to be a really big effort. I wonder how many different worlds and how many contactees are involved. It would be really interesting to know. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 505 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Spaceman, You can find the book (DVDs, etc.) here: http://www.theyfly.com/products/products.htm#fly Michael Horn | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 880 Registered: 02-2000 |
Spaceman, You can buy the book And Still They Fly here, http://www.steelmarkonline.com/ My Website | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 06-2006 |
Wall2Wall, I am reading the contact pages currently. But since there are many, I can only do a few a day. And about buying the book at steelmark, I don't have any online account so I can't. I hope to find it in a bookstore, thanks for your concern Norm. Good Day. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 17 Registered: 06-2006 |
I have asked this question before but recieved no answer: Why did the Plejaren (Semjase?), ask Billy to keep their information to the European region? What would happen if it spread? Is there a conact note that says as to why Billy should do the above? | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Spaceman, I may not be understanding your question exactly, but I don't think it was ever said by the Plejarens to keep "their information" to the European region. Since the FIGU information has been translated into several languages (such as Japanese, etc.) it is apparent that the information is not kept strictly to Europe. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 882 Registered: 02-2000 |
After all these years it amazes me how the Plejarens make their decisions. They knew the 2004 election was going to be fixed. You would think they might want to prevent it & no one would have even noticed except the conspirators who would have been dumbfounded, if every time they changed the numbers in Bush's favor the numbers would automatically correct themselves. And that way the will of the people would stand. How the hell are we supposed to straighten things out on this planet if this Secret Scum Cabal are allowed to continue to trick & dictate to the masses. My Website | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 179 Registered: 12-2004 |
Norm, It is simple, we either stand up tall enough to make a difference and MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES... or ... we suffer the consequences of knowing what's happening and not really doing anything about it. The people who know what's going on, sad to say have the burden of informing others and through our example and efforts will the world slowly and or rapidly come around. I was taking an essay and research course back during the 2004 election and I wrote my final paper on the fraudulent activity of the Bush administration and I gave the run-down on how and more obviously why this sickened administration won the election. Breakfornews.com had it right. They along with the Associated Press and the Washington Times were very helpful in providing numbers which stated around 400,000 votes in discrepancy which they called "anamolies" There were mainly three different tests these news agencies reported stated that these anamolies totaled a 50,000 here 200,000 and some 150,000 there, (these are not exact figures on for example). However, the real figures that the Plejaren quoted was around 400,000 votes and these few news agencies reported the anamolies which in one case did total a round about of 400,000 votes and that was on breakfornews.com. This information was posted right after the election during the hasty investigations done by third parties. I was only able to confirm this with the Plejaren/Meier converstations some year and a half later. But, I was not surprised at the act because I knew what Bush and Co. was up to during the 2000 election. I had my doubts then about the authenticity/security of electronic voting and this simply happened to be the loophole that let Bush in to engage these crazy war times that we're now facing. Norm, If people don't make an effort to inform and be effective teachers (us) than how can we sit and complain that nobody is changing from the path of destruction to a future balnaced spiritually whilst continuing a steady technological progression? It's nearly impossible to be a good student when your teachers are not following the outline. I say this because I really don't think we are all doing what we could be doing. Personally, I have set a personal bar for things to accomplish and when anyone else other than myslef gets involved it seems not to work out. For me I need to follow my path more strictly and I will surely get things done, but as for the masses changing their vibration and thinking tendencies... this is where the older and more educated shall lead the path for the others, I have accepted this responsibility within myself. When this happens I find my vibration is stronger and more harmonious. But my overall point is that people could be active and encouraging and striving to be more effective listeners, speakers and most of all changers/leaders.. for the good! And without surprise, I have only seen a small handfull of people who have cleared the bar which I have set real high. Wendell Stevens and Co., Billy Meier, Michael Horn, Marcell Vogel, Jim Delatoso and Deardorf and the figu Switzerland group, and Moosbrugger. There are most certainly others who I have clearly not mentioned and I appologize for that however, when these names are said aloud, think about the significance some of them have contributed and then ask yourself, How did they accomplish all that they did? I am beginning to comprehend the seriousness and the amount of work and benefits that lay ahead of us if we are diligent enough. Diligent enough to survive these perelous times. The Peace Meditation is today. I wish everyone the best clarity and focusing power! Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 06-2006 |
Sonik_01, regarding the man Akon from Proxima Centuri, which contact speaks of his friendship with Semjase? A lady of Earth named Elizabeth Klarer, claimed to have been in contact with a spacer Akon from Prox. Cent., Ptaah in the 249th contact has said that she is a fraud, but was she refering to the same spacer? | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 884 Registered: 02-2000 |
"It is simple, we either stand up tall enough to make a difference and MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES" No its not so simple if 99.9% of the people have no clue whats going on. I'm sure the internet is helping but still the News is controlled. My Website | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 249 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Norm Billy has explained that it is the individuals and not the great masses that guide the fate of the world .............................. "As you have observed, the world is going to hell in a handbasket. Since that is clearly the case and it seems unstoppable, rather than getting all torqued up by deteriorating world conditions, should we just lie back and enjoy the ride? It is not unstoppable. Just lying back doesn’t change anything. It’s the individuals who are changing the masses." "There are many on this forum who have been debating with one another about how to remove the corrupt political leaders from positions of power here in the US. You yourself have said that these people need to be removed because they are leading the entire world into disaster. We all want them out. There is no disagreement here. We know we need to create a good voting system. This is a start. But many don't see exactly how this can be done. What steps we possibly could take to bring about some positive change in this country? "Use the legal system, for example. And educate and enlighten other people. (Note by CF: Found groups of like-minded people.)" ................................... "Example and advice are good. To forcefully remove criminal leaders etc. is not right, because changes must be executed by enlightenment/informing and on a peaceful way. Another possibility is taking the legal way, such as the process of removal from office. " ............................ complaining and doing nothing has never solved anything, what one person does can change the way a million persons think dont worry about what others do or don´t do but about WHAT YOU DO OR DON´T DO (and this applies also for what you mentioned above about the Plejaren) take care | ||
Mhurley Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 04-2003 |
Asket's hair colour Hi all, i was recently reading through Wendelle Steven's early contact notes from India when Meier was meeting Asket. In the contact dated 30 aug 1964 Wendelle states that Billy described Asket's hair as being long and blond. I checked the relevant German contact note (page 303 of Block 1) and it states "Uber ihre Schultern fiel langes brunttes Haar, und ihr Gesicht war sehr schon" translates that she had long brunette hair... So Wendelle or someone must have changed the description given by Meier possibly after the blond Asket photo was released. Remember Asket witness Phobol always stated Asket had dark hair Matt | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Norm, Referring to your 882nd post, you must realize that the Plejaren helping us in this way is akin to developed countries giving monetary aid to third world countries when more appropriate action is education on self-sustainability and birth control. There are many individuals on the planet who have no idea of the corrupt agenda of governments, in particular the American government. It is the duty of the individuals who are aware of this to help the ignorant ones to wake up. This responsibility is ours as Earth humans otherwise we lose our free will and hand it to the Plejaren. Regards Adam | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 06-2006 |
Is there a real picture of Asket anywhere in the internet. What about that controversy of Asket's picture being taken from a catalog? | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 04-2006 |
For those looking for W.S Contact Pleiades,i have recently visited a norwegian billy meier page with most of the book published in english online: http://www.galactic-server.net/rune/stewens.html See also: http://www.semjase.net/index_en.html | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 512 Registered: 10-2000 |
Regarding And Still They Fly!, it's published in English in the U.S., see: http://www.theyfly.com/products/products.htm#fly Michael Horn | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Peter_brodowski, I just wanted to add one more thing, since scotts comment thought I should write it in an appropriate place. As for your point that we don’t know if they are reading people’s minds on an individual level. You see when I got into this case I read a lot before I started writing down references, unfortunately I cannot remember where I read or heard this specific point, because it was before I started writing references… if I am not mistaken it would be in one of the contact notes, on the part when one of Billy’s enemies (cannot remember his name), when Billy wanted to know what is going on with the guy and Semjase told him that they don’t usually read peoples mind the incident was in her beamship, because the Plejarens see it as a private matter. This info is very rusty and cannot say for sure, but maybe someone else on the forum can confirm this point. If not then I might have mistaken and I hope I didn’t offend you, I will zip it next time if I don’t have references… But even if it is true its nothing specific and cannot be proven, but I would trust their judgment. regards, Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Spaceman, Its been a while since I last came on the forum. There were two ET's from Proxima Centauri named Kohun and Athar who contacted a German man by the name of Horst Fenster who was on vacation in Bolivia. They were friends of Semjase. This is in the 59th contact. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey junior, no offense taken. just a misunderstanding of small degree. i wonder if they have any secrets that they do not want us to find out about, like pertaining to some choices they have made in dealing with other races to whatever degree in whatever way. and i also wonder how many races turned down there offers to join the federation? b | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 06-2006 |
Peter, What Junior says (in his 91st post) about the mind reading thing is true, it is spoken to Billy Meier in the 2nd contact. Peace and Love, Spaceman | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 06-2006 |
Sonik_01, I don't think they are any beings in the Proxima Centauri Start System. I had asked this question, and Billy replied that there are no beings in the Proxima Centauri System. (Check the 'Your Questions to Billy -- Answered'; Archive through 21 July, 2006) | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Celestial Brother... There may be no beings in the PCS in our dimension but that doesn't leave out other dimensions. In the Pleiedes, there are no beings, but if you shift the space/time dimension, you have the Plejarens, our dear friends!! The way they understand the Universe is far far beyond me and I don't pretend to understand it but it seems to me that each dimension is existing together, sharing the Universe, and when they refer to a star system, they don't necessarily include the space-time configuration because that stuff is way beyond us, and it's very easy for them to cross. Besides that, it's in the Contact Notes. (Not that the Contact Notes are Gospel, but I think that Billy is telling the truth about his contacts...) | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 06-2006 |
Sonik_01 you are perhapes right about the fact that beings exist in another space-time dim. But is there anything, about beings from PCS in any space/time dimension? | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 03-2006 |
Yup, it's in Wendelle Steven's Message From the Pleiedes Vol#3, contact #59. He also found a letter from Horst Fenster, the guy who encountered the ETs from the PCS system that has the dialogue between the three of them (Horst and the 2 ETs)... | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 01-2004 |
spaceman, if it is true, which im not saying it is'nt, than that's great, and i feel better. but let us then move on to another topic i brought up about the pejarens. the breast impalnt/augmentation, and the "investigation" into this matter by the plejarens. i dont remeber which post i wrote it in but in anycase... how did they obtain their conclusions? how can you declare wether a reason is valid or not, to be getting breast surgery/implants etc. if we look at it from the view that any woman with a potentially dangerous tumour or the like having it in her breasts/breast, is a valid reason, well then i understand. but then for all of those women who dont have health issues, how did the plejarens gauge wether it was a valid or necessary or reasonable reason to get them "worked on". are they of the opinion that there can be no other justifiable reason to get an implant or augmentation other than if you are sick or infected by some kind of disease or cancer? if we all make mistakes, and we are all curious, and we discover things through actions we do, then is'nt getting breast implants (if either because of low self esteem or whatever) a reasonable way of excersizing freewill all be it in a narrow minded way, but even still it is living up to your choices. when do the plejarens look at the big picture, only when it suits them? i dont want to accuse them of anything, i am in no positition for that. but i do wonder, specifically how they make the decisions they make | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Peter, I don't know much about the Plejarens and their living styles. Well about your question as to how they make conclusions, I don't know (read on). I don't have the books about the Pleajarens like 'And Still They Fly' and what ever infomation I have about them is from the websites. In one of the contact notes or somewhere, I think Semjase told Billy that they are normal humans, like us, one would only expect this, but due to the fact that they have knowledge of their past lives they make use of mistakes they have made before (in past lives) and try not to repeat the mistakes, so in that way they have a better advantage over use. Considering your view about the implants, I would think that the Plejarens don't look so much on their physical appearance as humans do by applying make up and undergoing surgery, but rather stay healthy by their lifestyle, however, Pleajren women do like colouring their eyes (eye lids?), this I read from www.semjase.net. But (I think) they wouldn't under go any form of changes if a child is born with a long nose or anything, as they know they are going to leave that body, and they are much on platonic love too. They hence, look at spiritual development because that which they develop in that sphere (spirituality) they carry forward, but if due to some accident a person's face or organ is disfigured they may consider a physical change. They think of the whole planet and even all humans as their family, so I don't think they would (Plejaren women) consider taking a breast implants, under proper health conditions. However, If ever a woman did want, others (I think) might not object it, but will advice, through their wisdom. | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 06-2006 |
Who exactly was Jmmanuel, I know he is Jesus and all. But, was he from the planet of Plejarens or was he a contactee? Did he really perform miracles? Did he go to India?, if yes, when and for how long? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 838 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Celestialbrother, I think it would be very helpful if you read the Talmud of Jmmanuel which will be re-released sometime towards the end of summer (northern hemisphere). According to the Plejarens Billy's spirit form has performed the role of prophet 6 other times, aside from his current lifetime. One of those life times included the life of Jmmanuel. This will be the last life which Billy's spirit form will perform this task, but his spiritform will continue to reincarnate approx 2000 more years on this planet. Regards Scott | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 930 Registered: 02-2000 |
Celestialbrother, You will find a lot of info on Jmmanuel here. http://www.tjresearch.info/ My Website | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Scott, You have mentioned that Billy's spirit form would cont. to reincarnate here for another 2000 years, were does it reincarnate or go after that? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 840 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Celestialbrother, I don't know. I have heard different ideas about that. You might attempt to do a search, you may discover it being mentioned in the forum at an earlier time. Scott | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 158 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Celestial bro, I think I read in Contact Notes 3 that Billy was to keep that to himself for some time at least. Whether the situation has changed since then I do not know. cpl | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 159 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Celestial bro, I didn't notice the "after that." I read a few years back, in CN 1 or 2, or somewhere online here, or at Billy's web site, that he returns to where he spent most of his lives in another part of the universe or galaxy, and has a wonderful future there. Interestingly it didn't mention him returning to the AA level or going on to the Petale level. Again, this is old material though. There might have been an update since. My previous reply was about his next incarnations here. cpl | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey Scott, Celestial Bro. Why would Billy's spirit reincarnate in any place other than earth, hasn't Semjase mentioned that a soul is only reincartnated in the same planet and not other, that is if life can be sustained in that planet. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 842 Registered: 12-1999 |
Spaceman, Yes that is true if a human dies on a planet then his/her spirit will reincarnate on that planet, but the exception being if a person while alive is relocated to another planet while they are alive. The word soul does not apply, because when the body dies, the "soul" will cease to exist. The word soul originated from the word solar plexus, which is connected to the psyche. Scott | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 162 Registered: 08-2004 |
Thanks for the definition of soul there, Scott. It is by no means universally understood that way; but it informs us of how the Ps and Billy are using the term and their reason for doing so. According to the Ps is the psyche connected to the spirit in any way, or do they see the only connection to the spirit through the brain, despite the brain also dying upon death? Thanks, cpl | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 843 Registered: 12-1999 |
CPL, As I remember it the psyche is connected to the material subconscious, which is connected to the central consciousness which is connected to the spiritual subconsciousness...The psyche as I understand it is half material and half non material. The material being it's connection to our nervous system and various nerve centers within the body, which are connected to the brain. There is much on this posted in the Spiritual section of the forum, which I have always found very interesting. Scott | ||
Simon New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hi all, This is my first post in the forum. No topic on this post, just to greet all of you. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi everyone, Attempting to pose an idea about what Celstial Son, CPL and Scott are commenting on regarding where Billy goes after 2000 years. Have a couple of (4) questions for you... It could be in 2000 years, we will have advanced enough to realize war is not the way to solve our problems. At that time, maybe... technology will be within our control (I.E. not governmental control, but individual control)and we, Billy included, will be able to venture off planet to help others to learn the idea of enforced non-violence and peaceful actions. It has been posed by other prophets, Edgar Cayce as an example... that we are getting close to a peaceful period of time. It is apparent the Plejaren are secretive of their previous incarnations and consider it an invasion of privacy, although, for educational purposes, certain reincarnations are revealed to help us learn our true history. An example of this: Quetzel being Gabriel (Jmmanuals' genetic father) in a previous life, who is now... Billy's friend... a "celestial" relative on the spiritual level. And the reluctance of Ptaah to devulge his previous incarnations. As to Cpl's comment on the connection, spirtually to intellectually remember somewhere, don't have the reference... we carry a small part of the creation within our brain. Since creation is infinite, that may explain the addition of knowledge, does not weigh more, nor does it seem to fill up and not take anymore information, it seems infinite: the same as creation. Maybe that is what is meant... by a "part" of an infinite source. Q1) Does anyone know of a source of this information? Read an interesting line in Nokodemion material available on the gaiaguys website line: 691-692: Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Reports Volume 6 238th Contact Saturday, May 18th, 1991, 12:55AM Pages 410-413 if memory serves, that mentions the consciousness block and a time 28,000,000,000 years ago, when Nokodemian took the ability to reincarnate away from the "potential violent monsters" of the Lyrian galaxy. At that time Billy was advanced enough to enter AA and had a choice... (AA) Arahat Athersata or to guide these power seeking, hate filled, violent people to a better life, and he chose the latter. Q2) May we have been those people he helped? Q3) And the previous ban from reincarnation for umpteen years the reason why we are so far behind in the concept of living in non-violence? Anyway, back to line 690-691 (in German since Dyson likes that) of Nododemian:Pleiadian/Plejaren Contact Reports Volume 6 238th Contact Saturday, May 18th, 1991, 12:55AM Pages 410-413 689. Und also erging die Order und Verfügung durch Eingriffe der Ebene Arahat Athersata, dass die im Laufe der Zeit eines natürlichen Todes Dahingeschiedenen nicht einer Wiedergeburt eingeordnet sein sollten, sondern dass deren Geistformen so lange im jenseitigen Bereiche zu verbleiben hatten, bis sie eines Tages durch eine neuerliche Verfügung Nokodemions abermalig in menschlichen Körpern eine Existenz finden konnten. 689. And thus the order and command was resolved through the engagement of the Arahat Athersata level, that they faded away in the course of time to a natural death, and should be ordained to be without a reincarnation, but that their spirit forms had to stay so long on the realm of the other side until they, one day, through the command of Nokodemion, could again find their existence in human form. 690. Dies sollte jedoch sehr lange dauern und zudem dazu führen, dass beinahe alles Wissen aus den Speicherbänken aller Persönlichkeiten entweichen sollte und neue Persönlichkeiten durch den Gesamtbewusstseinblock erschaffen waren. 690. However this had to continue for a very long time and in addition led thereto, that almost all knowledge had to escape out of the Akashic records regarding all personalities, and new personalities were created through the collective consciousness block. 691. Also dauerte dieser Prozess der Entweichung des grössten Teiles allen in den Speicherbänken gelagerten Wissens nahezu 4 Milliarden Jahre, ehe Nokodemion mit Hilfe der Ebene Arahat Athersata die besagten Geistformen wieder rief und sie neuerlich in Menschenkörper beorderte, und zwar in jene seiner neuerlich gezeugten und kreierten Völker, die vor 8 Milliarden Jahren ihren Ursprung auf LASAN fanden. 691. Thus this process of exhausting the greatest parts of all the knowledge stored in the Akashic Chronicles continued for almost 4,000,000,000 years before Nokodemion, with the help of the Arahat Athersata level, again called the aforementioned spirit forms, and newly ordered them into human bodies, and indeed in his newly engendered and created peoples who found their origins 8,000,000,000 years ago on LASAN. This last line brings up a question that has not been understood by me. Q4)Does this mean that the consciousness block (these new personalities were created in... somehow drain the Akashic record? Thank you, Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 163 Registered: 08-2004 |
Scott, Thanks again for figu's definition. This does suggest that the soul, or solar plexus does have a connection to the spiritual consciousness then? Please redirect this post if it belongs elswhere. cpl | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2006 |
I have questions about Asket. In her visit to a place in India she was thought to be a goddess (?). My questions are: 1. Which goddess (of the Hindu Mythology)? 2. Where was this place (exact location)? | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 10-2005 |
Opps... Have been corrected that I spelled the galaxy, which BTW no longer exists... from whence Nokodemion first sprang... It may have been a distorted hermeneutic of the relatavistic epistemology... From Contact block 6 May 18 1991 238th contact... Gaiaguys.net: Ptaah 668. Diese Frage beschäftigte auch uns, weshalb wir die Ebene Arahat Athersata befragten, die uns erklärte, dass Nokodemion eine Kreation aus dem Planeten SADR des Sonnensystems WARON war, das sich in der Galaxis LYREN bewegte, an die 3816 Millionen Lichtjahre vom SOL-System entfernt. Ptaah 668. This question also occupied us, so we asked the Arahat Athersata level, who explained to us that Nokodemion was a creation of the planet SADR, that was in the WARON sun system, which moved in the LYREN galaxy, 3,816,000,000 light years distant from the Sol system. So it was the Lyren Galaxy... rather than the Lyrian (constellation) that I incorrectly spelled... As to my own question Q2: Paath said he was related to those that Nokodemion sectioned off and made militarially subordinate to... So if Paath is related, many are related to Paath and Quetzel and since we have crossed our race boundries countless times we are probably all brothers and sisters... so Q2... Yes. Anyone with: 1,3,& 4? RArena..... Much love to all... | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey Rarena, From what I know. For your Q2. The Plejarens are from the same genepool of the Caucasian race, like the Vegans (like Menera whom Billy met) are related to the Hottentots of Africa. In the areas of Lyra, many ancient races existed, all (most?) humans are descendant from there (though the timeline mentioned that there were Earth humans before the Lyrans came here). The two Adams commonly known to us as Adam and Eve, were genetically created they are the progenitors of the Europeans and have similar genetic traits as the Plejarens. In Lyras as mentioned there were a large variety of beings people of different races and measuring from about half a meter to 12 m in height (viz. approximately 2 feet to 36 feet). When they came to Earth they became around 5 to 6 feet adapting to the nature of the Earth's climate, atmospheric pressure etc, etc. So the answer is that all races in Earth are related to the Ancient Lyrians but only the 'White' races is related to the Plejarens. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 251 Registered: 07-2005 |
Dear forum Is this the reason why the white race here on earth are at forefront of every technological and societal progress and evolution, although the trend is changing. Just going through humanity's history from all epoch, there isn't one episode considered a great moment in human history where a person of caucasian decent didn't have a hand at creating unless of course I am being duped by the adage that 'those who win the wars write the history' therefore most of the books in the shelves would relate to some event involving the white race. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 06-2006 |
Newinitiation, The reason that the world in this time is 'ruled' by the white is because, the europeans, mainly the Portugese and Spainards were pioneers in sailing. Moreover, The British had savagely conquered most of the Earth, first by befriending and then killing, using policies as divide and rule etc. It is not due to the Plejarens contact (least I don't think so). I think if there is one race that can be blamed for any form of foul conduct is that of the Caucaians, however this is past, that is if Bush is not stopped!! Bush goes bombing any place and there is none to question him. They destroyed various civilizations ranging from the peaceful lives of the Native Indians to the Japanese. Even due to this english is the international laguage (as they travelled everywhere). 0The Europeans due to their urge to explore traveled far and got various sciences from China, India also due the moment of cultural revival in Europe a.k.a Renaissance. They combine these and came of great stregth. The Renaissance was a great turning point, it happened due to the fact that the European kings suddenly became patrons of art and sciences, due to this the power of the Chuch was questioned, and many scientific believes became popular and gradually overthrew the foolish belief of the Church, others baselessly supported the Church. The Europeans on attaining this great knowledege and power used it much for evil, by enslaving the men of Africa. Ruining the lands of the Incas and the Native Americans etc. This onslaught that existed few centuries ago, is the reason of the Caucasian 'rule' in the world. However, others as we are are trying our part to get the truth revealed. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 06-2006 |
so does this mean that all the 'caucasian' race of people on earth are the distant descendents of the Plejarens? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 846 Registered: 12-1999 |
Alan, No one on earth is a descendent of the Plejarens but merely the earlier Vegans and Lyrians. The Plejarens are a result of a splinter group of Lyrian and Vegans (from a different dimension) who migrated to the Pleiades. More information can be found out about this in the booklet entitled "The Truth about Billy Meier". Regards Scott | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 351 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Scott ; Wouldn't descendants of Jmmanuel in India be descended from Gabriel ? Wasn't he Plejaren ? Salome , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Simon Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 07-2006 |
Scott, What exactly does the term Splinter group mean, how exactly did the Plejarens arise? | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 59 Registered: 10-2005 |
Scott, If Billy's biological father really was Gabriel, as told in the Talmud Jmmanuel, a celestial son, a Plejaren... then the offspring of Billy, (he was said to have several children in India in his long life after the cross), then yes, there are descendents of the Plejaren on Earth. Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 847 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Guys, Good point, but since all Plejarens (as I understand it) were migrants from the Lyrian and Vegans, wouldn't this still make them Lyrians and Vegans originally? I think maybe the distinction that needs to made is that the spirit forms who are now Plejarens had their origins elsewhere. If I understand this correctly when the second migration of Lyrians and Vegans came to earth 389,000 years ago, some of them at that time and after chose to migrate to the Pleiades instead of settling on earth. Since the Plejaren spirit forms are billions of years old, it stands to reason the current Plejarens as we know them do not have spirit forms originating from Erra etc... This is how I understand it, but I could be wrong. Regards Scott | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 958 Registered: 02-2000 |
Scott, I think Simon means genetics not spirit forms. I agree them Jmmanuels desendants should have direct Et genes. Maybe they could check their DNA & learn how to correct our DNA. If of course if they can find the correct sequence & find the living desendants. My Website | ||
Isabellacoca Member Post Number: 86 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hello everyone, Anyone hear of the next mission by Semjase? I heard she is supposed to come back here on Earth around 2046. If she does come back that year, which country do you think she'll most likely visit? I would like to get anyone's opinions on this. Thanks! Salome and love to all, Isabella Coca | ||
Simon Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 07-2006 |
Yes, What Norm says is correct. I meant genetically and not spirit forms. | ||
Alan Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 06-2006 |
Scott: "Since the Plejaren spirit forms are billions of years old, it stands to reason the current Plejarens as we know them do not have spirit forms originating from Erra etc..." I'm a little lost. If the Plejarens spirit forms are billions of years old, then how can the Plejarens be 30 million years ahead of Earthmans spiritual evolution level? Isn't the average Earthmans spirit form only around 4.5 million years old? | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi all, I study the Oriental Mythologies, there are many beings of celestial origins in Hindu myths. There are devas who ride in fiery chariots, I understand that these are ETs but from where, exactly? Scott, the people of Arus had settled in India, so are the gods of the Hindus merely the Ancient Lyrians, what was the level of technology of these beings? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 848 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Alan, Spiritual evolution occurs during the physical life. There are spirit forms living on earth now which are over 10 billion years old, but are living life as a human in the 21st century. You also have to take into account that a spirit will experience interruptions in it's spiritual evolution due to migrations from exploded planets etc.... the age of a spirit form does not always reflect the level of it's spiritual evolution. Yes the Plejarens are ahead of the current spiritual level of most earth persons at this time...with a few exceptions...for instance Billy. Scott | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 04-2006 |
Alan, the ancient Lyrans modified our genes and prepared us for a faster understanding.They themselves decided to accelerate our process of evolution.We should theoretically still be dealing with mammooths and tigers in the jungle.The Lyrans teached earth humans how to use fire,how to build first tools,and that spared us thousands of reincarnations as well as millions of years of low-evolutionary learning. But here we are,sending rockets and men to the moon,although our spiritual evolution is quite low. On the contrary,nobody accelerated the P`s evolutionary level,that should be the reason why they are 30 m.years ahead in terms of spirit evolution. That should be another reason not to directly interfere in the policy,handling,lives or behaviour of anyone. Let the creation and free will do the job themselves. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 06-2006 |
But considering the ancien Lyrians to be themselves spiritually advanced, why would they make such a mistake by accelerating the spiritual evolution of Earthman? How different is this from what the Plejarens are doing, aren't they are also 'accelerating' our spiritual development? | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 252 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Hector nice to talk with you I am a little confused in what you said about the lyrians. From what I remember in the contact notes, from the time when two races diverged, one being the plejarens who went their separate ways and other being the lyrians, because they developed themselves so quickly, they lost the strength to fight and were left vulnerable to attack, thus using genetic engineering to alter the genes of human beings who were made to be very aggressive and barbarous. The purpose of these people were to protect them from the aggressors. If I am in error, please let me know but as far as I know, the lyrians never had the intention of accelerating our spiritual evolution but we were their minions being used to protect them. Of course the genetic alteration (the so called original sin or the aggressive gene) has filtered down and is carried by every single human being on earth which is the biggest stumbling block to real spiritual progress. I hope you can give us a link to where you've read about what you've advocated in your post 89. Many thanks | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 253 Registered: 07-2005 |
Hello spaceman There is much more that you need to fill in before an adequate picture of the overall reasons can be known. As they say, the truth is stranger than fiction and thus, the word 'accelerating' is deceptive a word, it's more like helping or aiding would be a better term, because unbeknownst to most people on this earth, the extensive and mind boggling roles that ETs had a hand at in the earthly affairs since ancient times means that the complex array of interrelated episodes by different groups of races that came to earth since 22 million years ago and onwards have shaped the course of events that has culminating in the earthlings degenerating to the point of self extinction, partly because of our fault but also due to some malicious ET elements. This is just a general round up but which something that you must work towards trying to understand because no one can adequately explain everything for you in just a few paragraphs what the truth of the matter is. So happy reading and studying These links will be a good start. Search for contact note 251 on this website and read part 1,2,3. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 04-2006 |
Newinitiation,what i wrote in my 89 post was half personal reflection/half facts.Perhaps i generated some confusion which i want to avoid. What i mean is if the Lyrans changed our genes to suit their agendas,they made us(maybe) stronger and cleverer(as well as more agressive and shorten our livespans).I imagine they were experimenting with us to create a sort of human warrior.This is my reflection,not based on facts. The thing is they definitely changed our physical evolution forever.We should not be dealing with computers now,but with tigers,snakes and apes in the jungle.If evolution had taken its natural course,i think it would have taken several million years for us earthhumans to evolve to this present state of technological evolution. Technologically we are an advanced race,but due to the influence of the Lyrans,they told us how to make tools,weapons,how to fight better...whatever.Some kind of techno-leap into the future.That was not intended by evolution/creation until much later.Spiritually they did nothing to us,what is terrible,and that`s the reason why we feel such terrible gap between Technology and Spirituality today.The first was accelerated and the latter was not.And they must be impaired. The plejarens know we shouldnt have access to nuclear weapons yet because spiritually we are a lesser developed world.But we have.Thanks to the Lyrans,we found out nuclear weapons sooner than expected. And it is the prophets job to fill in the gap of mankind spirituality.Not to use technology in a barbaric,illogical way due to the lack of spiritual knowledge. I think that is what the plejaren refer to when they say they have a mission here.Some spiritual-evolutionary steps are missing in earth humans.Caused by their direct ancestors,who did not follow creational laws,just their own benefit.We as race could be like a prodigy child,who has higher than average intelect,but that in the end is much more a problem than a gift,due to the lack of understanding. Hope this helps...with admiration greetings from Spain.... | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Scott, In my question to Billy Meier, he told me that there are no beings in the Proxima Centauri System (in this S-T conf.) are there beings in any other Space-time conf? That is in the same region? | ||
Simon Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2006 |
In the world of the Plejaren, they eat meat too. My question is who kills animals that are to be eaten in a feast? | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 172 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Simon, The Plejaren don't kill any animals. Their meat is genetically engineered to perfection. So too, probably, will ours be before too long. I'm not sure the Plejaren "feast"; they seem to eat what they need. Best, cpl | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Hector, Newinintiation, I think it was the Humans from Sirius that genetically engineered us to be more agressive and have shorter lifespans. The Sirius people and the Lyrans went two different ways in their evolution, with the Lyrans going through the necessary barbaric and violent period in their history for the evolution that culminated in the well-balanced and healthy Plejarens. Therefore, the Lyrans were the ancient ancestors of the Plejarens and did not manipulate our genes. The Lyrans of then are no more. As far as I know, the sun-systems inhabited by them in the original times are now desolate wastelands. Other star-systems in the constellation are now inhabited by other peoples who are now also called "Lyrans" but they are different from the original people that inhabited those areas. What the original Lyrans did do was establish religions here on earth and demand blood from all those who would not bend to their will. They did teach us agriculture and writing systems but did not interfere in our evolution, except for to stunt it with religions. The ones responsible for giving us technology and cognitions we shouldn't have and are not ready to use are the Gizeh Intelligences, a splinter Plejaren group who was chased away from earth many thousands of years ago but came back to foster intrigue, wars and violence among us, so that in that way to control us as well with religious irreality, delusions and hate. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 06-2006 |
Yes, Sonik you are right. When the Enoch lineage split into two arpund 12 billion yrs. ago. The first lineage went its way and finally in the Sirius region, where we were made. Later we fled to Earth. The second was the one that became the Plejarens. So, my earlier statement that the 'white' race is related to the Plejarens was incorrect as we all are genetically engineered by the 2nd split of Henok's, while the Plej. are from the first. | ||
Kiwiseeker New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 08-2006 |
Hello Sonik, You are on the right track. Below is part of a timeline which I have constructed up to the present which may be of some value. Nokodemjon and His Creations: 86,000,000,000ya First incarnated. 29,500,000,000ya Created his first people on planet Sadr in the Waron star-system of the Lyren galaxy. 12,000,000,000ya Descendents had severely degenerated and were defeated. 8,000,000,000ya Created his second people on planet Lasan in the Lasan group of planets. 28,000,000ya Left the Lyren galaxy and entered the Milky Way galaxy with his associates. Created his third people in Lyra region-original Lyran lifeforms. 27,000,000ya Lyran lifeforms took on a humanoid shape. 22,000,000ya Lyrans developed advanced space travel;visited Earth 12,000,000ya Lyrans recognisable as humans to 9,000,000ya Original Lyrans seeded human-type beings on Earth-amphibian-like. 8,000,000ya Lyrans ' really human.' 6,700,000 Failed colonisation. 38,000 die?? Sirius Group: 12,000,000,000ya Nokodemjon's first people split into 2 different lineages/civilisations. 1)Seeded the Lyrans of the Milky Way galaxy.2)Split up into various races 7,000,000,000ya Second group had no memory of their origins and Nokodemjon. From this lineage came several humanoid peoples who eventually migrated to the Milky Way galaxy (as did the Lyrans) to different star systems; the main star system was that of Sirius- colonised by two advanced civilisations. Genetically Modified Races: 2,500,000ya Sirians genetically manipulated 2 human groups as warriors. They had genes which gave aggression and a limited lifespan. 1)Brown, red and white skin-5 races.2)Yellow skin-2 races. These GM races later fled: Malona and Mars-Sol Star System:Group (1) Kudra-Nisan Star System:Group (2). Some later migrated to planet Nissan in Lyra. 387,730 BCE Lyrans colonise Earth.Semjasa and other sub-leaders mix with Earthlings. 228,000 BCE Asael colonises the Pleiades. 226,000 BCE Asael dies and Pleja rules. 225,000 BCE Plejaren colonise Earth, Mars and Malona. Most return to Lyra/Vega. 208,000 BCE Plejaren follow the destroyer comet into the Sol System. 196,000 BCE War on Earth. Most flee to the Plejas. 187,000 BCE GM groups colonise Mars and Malona. Regards To All Truth Seekers, Charles the Kiwiseeker | ||
Simon Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hi all. Kiwiseeker, Your constructed timeline helped me. But, I have a question: This Creation is 47 trillion years ago, how is it that the first incarnate was only 86 billion years ago? Who exactly is Nokodemjon, the one who's lineage we consider, are there other lineages in the Universe too, what are they? | ||
George Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Kiwiseeker, what happen between 187,000 BCE through 10,000 BCE? Simon, I think first 40 trillion yrs. was the evolution of a solid matter toward environment that could host biological type of creation. George. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 989 Registered: 02-2000 |
Simon, http://www.gaiaguys.net/nokodemion.htm My Website | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 358 Registered: 06-2000 |
Kiwiseeker ; You timeline is mixed with much misinformation . So it doesn't serve at all , unless deconstruction is your aim . Which is why I suspect you . Mark Campbell | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 08-2006 |
Markc, Please indicate what you refer to as misinformation.No doubt you have read the English translations of Contact 251:FIGU, Contact 238:Gaiaguys. Also do a Wikipedia search and read:Billy Meier/The History of the Earth and Humanity According to Billy Meier. "Seek and ye shall find". The Truth does not come easily to us mere mortals(despite our immortal spirits), but that is the way it is. Be neutral-positive and you may fulfill your destiny. Cheers and Good Luck! Kiwiseeker. | ||
Tony Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 01-2006 |
Billy once said that the Plejarens are a 'good looking race of people'. The sketches that were made of all the Plejarens seem to confirm this. On earth the vast majority of people fall into the average looks department where the norm wouldn't be classed as being good or bad looking. And theres no nation of people on earth that is made up entirely all of good looking people, they are all mixed, although theres a couple of races of people where the norm would rate as not good looking - Australian black aborigine, Papa New Guinea. For Billy to say that the P's are a good looking race of people, he would be talking about the looks of the average Plejaren. If the plejarens are our ancestors, how did they all become a good looking race of people because the average looking earth person wouldn't be rated as being good looking? Did the P's tinker with their genes or something? | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 53 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Tony, the Plejarens are not (closely) related to us. When Henok's lineage split into two (Henok is the first incarnated?) the first became the Plejarans and the second lineage made Genetically Manuiplated beings (GMB) in the Sirius system, we are the GMB. It is for that reason that we are aggressive and have short lifespans. Considering 'good looking' part of your post, one could say that the Plejarans are 'good looking' because they live a life of good hygiene, hence don't end up have problems life obesity and zits. In that sense we could say that the Plejarans are good looking. So the Plejarans didn't tinker with their genes and become 'good looking' race. But, the genes of the Earth peoples' has been altered. However, I don't know if that affected our appearance, though it did our lifespans. However, their life style and diet may be the answer. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1005 Registered: 02-2000 |
Tony, I think in the context it was said they were comparing the really wild strange looking alien types to human Henoch types. He wasn't comparing Henoch to Henoch Earth types. My Website | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 110 Registered: 04-2006 |
"Andersartige Menschen, wie eben Amphibienmenschen, Giftgasatmer und andere sind und bleiben humanoide Lebensformen" Figu Bulletin 27. "Other human races varieties,such as amphibian humans,humans who breathe poisonous gas and some others are and remain being humanoid life forms". He later explains to be entitled " human" means your body is capable of accepting a human spirit a personality and a consciousness block. Well if a plejaren or me sees a human that breathes sulfur or methane gas and his skin is poisonous for us...we would´nt think he`ll be " good looking" on our standards. Just watch any Star trek episode and their humanoid creatures to get an impression how you could react if you meet one of them. (A new kind of inter-stellar racism?) I hope not.... | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey I have a question why is that we are only been contacted by the Plejarans, are there any other human races that are spiritually evolved, like the Vegans (Menera's people) don't they find it important to spread information. I mean all of Billy's information is only translated to a few languages which are mostly European, and also Japanese. But I from India came to know of this only because I browse the net. Do they wish to spread the information to most of the Earth? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 890 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Spaceman, It is not FIGU's "responsiblity" to spread the teachings into any other language. It is up to the people of any given country or language to do this. The problem is there is no guarantee the translation will be 100% correct, therefore in the long run it is better if possible to learn German. Regards Scott | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 58 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Scott, I understand what you say, but remember it is impossible for the whole world to learn German. I searched for the Books about Billy's contacts here (in India) where I live. I haven't found them, are any books relating to the Plejaran contact released here. I am not an Indian, but am staying here, how can I get any information? | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi They are 7 Goethe-Institut in India http://www.goethe.de/ins/in/ned/deindex.htm Eric | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 60 Registered: 06-2006 |
Eric what is that site for? Every thing is typed in German I guess? | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Spaceman, The best place to buy available books is the FIGU Shop it should be easy to find the link. But there are other places like Michael Horns site, theyfly.com Regards, jr. Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 143 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Spaceman: Go on the site, click on the british flag, the page should appear translated in English, it is the Goethe Institute in New Delhi. Read what they have to offer. Good German courses are offered Good luck | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 06-2006 |
Thanks Eric for your sincere concern, but New Delhi is very far from where I live. Its nearly across the country over 2500 km far. Thanks anyway for suggesting. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 06-2006 |
Arus II, started a war and attacked those lands which you call today India, Pakistan, Persia, etc., where they met with the Sumerians, who, peaceloving, fled and vanished so far to the South, a nation of DARK COLOURED SKIN, but by your terms, not Negroid, but EUROPID and of tall growth, risen from a race of Sirians, who had settled on the Earth some 33,000 years ago, synchronous with the refugees from the Pleja-System. The above, is a part of what Semyaaze told Billy, about the Aryans. My question is what is the nation of the dark skinned people, where was it located (country)? | ||
Miraj_raha Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 09-2006 |
Spaceman, They were from Sumer(Mesopotemia). They the Sumerians settled(on Southern Asia) here at the same time ATLANT settled on Hyperborea. Infact The Harappa civilization in India was originally started by them,who were masters in trade and agriculture. Because of their mastery in trade they were widely scattered across Asia. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 06-2006 |
Indeed, what Semyaaze's account says is that the Aryans attacked the Sumerians who took refuge and shelter in the land of the dark skinned Europid people (lets call them DSEP, for conv.). But it is not mentioned that the DSEP were from Sumeria. This would lead to conclude that the Sumerians were infact the Harappan and Mohenjodaro people. But, hwo lived south in the same time: Who are the DSEP, mentioned? It isn't mentioned in the story of the Aryans (by Semyaaze) that they are Sumerians. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1009 Registered: 02-2000 |
Why do you go against Billys spelling of Semjase's name? Are you trying to prove a point? This is the kind of thing that caused past Missions to fail because some people feel the need to put their spin on everything! My Website | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 375 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Norm ; Spaazeman is one of the few people on this forum who are involved in the disinformation protocols , possibly organized in an attempt to amend the false information with the real , thereby attempting to spread false information and credit the source to Billy Meier and FIGU. He's trying to connect Semjase with the "fallen angels" concept . Mark Campbell | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 06-2006 |
Norm, I wrote Semjase as Semyaaze because thats how its pronounced and Semjase is the german spelling right. Prove a point? No. I didn't wish that anyone pronounce it as J when it should be pronounced as Y. I never thought anyone would find any objection, since you said, from here on I shall type it as Semjase, as in my previous posts. I apologize. | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 06-2006 |
Markc, thats funny! I am not trying to spread wrong information, why would I do that? Obviously, I am not relating Semjase to Semyaza, the leader of the Grigori (a group of fallen angels) who supposedly taught women the art of seduction. And also Semyaaza was a male, how could they ever be the same, would there be any point to support that?! | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 376 Registered: 06-2000 |
Ok Space , I apologize too . Some people really do try to disinform , you know . Teachers without a clue and all .I can't help but be suspicious sometimes with some of the 'assumptions' that we come across here . Mark Campbell | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 06-2006 |
Thats fine, criticism is welcome. And suspecting is good, we don't know who is up to no good. Keep it up! Regards, Spaazeman  | ||
Miraj_raha Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 09-2006 |
Spaceman, It is true semjase did'nt mention they were from sumeria,but do a little research on the History of earliest civilization on Earth you will find out that sumerians were one of the earliest civilization to settle along the Tigris and Euprates valley(or Mesopotemia). Read the statements in the contact notes,and find the rest information by matching it with the terrestrial Earth history. That's how I gather Information. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1014 Registered: 02-2000 |
Spaceman, Then you have no clue bout the past history of Billy's Mission if you don't understand how re-interpretation, spelling changes & translations effect the original writings! My Website | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 377 Registered: 06-2000 |
Well Space , you know me , always one with the joking . But just to keep things accurate , Semyaaza was no angel , fallen or otherwise . He was the leader of a group of celestial travellers in the Henok lineage .It looks to me that your indentification with the "Grigori" is making a biblical connection , and the values attributed thereby . In line with the the FIGU's information , this would be inappropriate here .So it looks like the information you profess to know is disinformation ........ again . What do you say ? Mark Campbell | ||
Spaceman Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 06-2006 |
Yes, I was speaking of Biblical infomation. Of course, Billy's information would be most accurate. Semjasa was correctly a high ranking sub-leader of Arhus (from gaiaguys.net/Cnotes.txt), is he same as Arus? Semjasa mated with a Eva, and had an off spring Adam. Hey, Norm. Who were the contactees of the past missions are they still alive? | ||
Christian Moderator Post Number: 126 Registered: 02-2000 |
Let's use the correct names: Semjase is Semjse, Semjasa is Semjasa, and Arus is Arus. For English ears: Sem-ia-se ("ia" like in iambus or iatrogenic, "se" like in set) | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1015 Registered: 02-2000 |
Spaceman "Hey, Norm. Who were the contactees of the past missions are they still alive?" I think most are dead. The question is, are some of them helping Billy again in their current incarnation. I have a feeling they are. My Website | ||
Celestialbrother Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 06-2006 |
What does the word Semjase mean in the Plejaren language? Is it allowed that Billy gives information about those people who were doing the mission in their past lives? | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Christian Would you be able to give a description of the role of the 'spiritual guides' who visited Billy in 2002, that you mentioned at the conference. You mentioned they were from Erra. Is this their job description for example --- and what was their purpose for coming? Just curious Robyn | ||
Eddy New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2006 |
I would like to know how their spacecraft travels far distances in less time (1 ly in mins), what is the principle behind the working of their crafts. | ||
Psycloud Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 06-2006 |
I am of the impression that they disassemble their ships into scalar waves which can traverse the universe in null time. I think the plejarens call it spiritual matter, so you could say they disassemble their ships into spirtual matter (scalar waves) and recouple the scalar waves in the spot in spacetime where they want to be. I have come to this conclusion for several reasons. Another thing that clues me into this idea is because on http://www.gaiaguys.net/meier.symbole.htm they show Absolutes-Absolutum, Schöpferisch-geistige Energie, Standhaftigkeit, Ur-Absolutum, and Zentral-Absolutm as being type of waves, and waves are continuous and have no end, most of the pictorials I choose are in normal Cartesian Coordinates, however Schöpferisch-geistige Energie is in polar coordinates as an infinite wave. From what I know about scalar waves, you can couple two together and make a vector wave, however if they are decoupled then they can travel aross the universe in virtually no time at all. I think this type of energy is not really known by most people on earth, it is something being discovered in underground science, we are far from being able to manipulate it to use as space travel, but I think this is what they are doing because it makes logical sense, especially when I see those symbols and they show waves. I am of the impression that the universe is made out of this spiritual matter, so it makes sense to me. I think if these type of waves were used properly the people on earth could get very very cheap energy, and the cost of things would greatly be reduced. That's my two cents I am truthful to the extend at which I know the truth. | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Eddy be welcomed, try this webpage as a preliminary introduction to your question. http://www.galactic-server.com/rune/semjeng5.html If you want to know more to the detail you will have to learn german... | ||
Simon Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hi Eddy, Firstly the special theory of relativity is wrong. So it is actually possible to move faster than light, also the Plejarens may be using more technology than just rectilinear motion, we can't say. I don't know the principle, but would like to know! | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 192 Registered: 07-2004 |
When Billy describes the moment when the Great Spacer he travelled in with Paath and Semjase does a leap, he sense's an incredible feeling of bliss and love. At that moment, I seem to get a vision of his connecting with all things and being covered with the love that makes the whole Universe possible. He is told that it is dangerous to try and stay in that moment for the physical being. Sounds like they touch into the spiritual realm for a split second to travel the Universe and beyond. So what Psycloud is theorizing could be in the right area. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 02-2006 |
When Billy completes his mission,,as I understand it,the plejaren will disapear from earth. What do we know about that,I mean,is that forever,and will their be another race of ETs to fill the void,or perhaps we would be alone. Salome pudd | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1016 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Pudd, I asked a similar question last year. Hello Billy, I know that you and members of the FIGU and many other people throughout the world have put in much effort to ensure the success of the “Mission”. My concerns are for the future of the “Mission” because at some time in the future you will pass away as we all do. I have thought there are people on this planet that may not wish the mission to succeed, but because you are still alive they may be hesitant to intervene until your passing. Since the Plejarens are in possession of technologies many times greater than what is known on earth it would seem these darker elements may not want to attempt anything for fear of being exposed or even stopped. Since it is known by these trouble makers that you are the only one in contact with the Plejarens, it seems the mission may be jeopardized once the Plejarens leave us and we will not have the advantage of receiving yours and their helpful information. My question is, are there any safeguards afforded the rest us who are striving for the continuation of the mission once we are left on our own? Thank you very much for listening and answering the many questions for the English speaking people of this planet on this forum. Salome Scott Answer Never before has such an amount of knowledge (or spiritual and consciousness-related) been available in writing on this planet. It is even much more than has been planned. To publish everything in writing and distributing it all over the world makes sure that the knowledge will not perish again in the future. Billy’s relatives and FIGU will ensure that everything (the Mission) continues. |
